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DenZ1
07-11-2012, 12:41 PM
I've got 5 sets of new crates yesterday.
Result: 14 common and 1 uncommon

Two weeks ago I got 5 sets or other crates (2 versions ago):
Result 14 common and 1 uncommon.

I had 1 rare (good one) and 2 commons in prior set of crates.

In total 30 commons, 2 uncommon and 1 rare. which is 91%, 6% and 3% respectively.
Isn't it a complete BS??? I know the rates are reset.. Chances are the same everytime...blah..blah..
Sorry... I'm don't buy that luck thing bs with this instance. especially given 40/60 split for not commons. I'm not that unlucky. Before I never had that issue. It was better or worse but never this kinda junk.

What is everybody else experince is? I'm just about to give up on this game as a gold spender if I'm expecting around 40% good stuff and getting 91% of crap. Enough is enough.

sexkitteh
07-11-2012, 12:43 PM
That really sucks :(

I've only purchased 1 set of crates and got 2 rares and 1 common... I haven't purchased anymore because of:

A) The odds of that happening...

B) The common items are are worse than the free items you get from events...

I may consider buying crates again if they bring back a common explosive.

Swingle007
07-11-2012, 01:12 PM
I bought 15 of these new ones and got 6 uncommon and 9 common.....think my numbers went up like 200-300, so almost nothing when you consider my attack is like 66,000. Just not worth my 70.00 at all when no RARES show up. Definitely disappointing, and probably my last gold expenditure on this game ever as nothing seems to help at this point. Only way to be sure is to overspend on items in the store that cost 600-900 gold each and definitely get something that will help going forward. Guess this is why I see so many peeps loading up on hellfire missiles at higher levels. Learned another CC lesson today.

Luciferianism
07-11-2012, 01:15 PM
The new crates suck and the last set sucked.

DenZ1
07-11-2012, 01:26 PM
I bought 15 of these new ones and got 6 uncommon and 9 common.....think my numbers went up like 200-300, so almost nothing when you consider my attack is like 66,000. Just not worth my 70.00 at all when no RARES show up. Definitely disappointing, and probably my last gold expenditure on this game ever as nothing seems to help at this point. Only way to be sure is to overspend on items in the store that cost 600-900 gold each and definitely get something that will help going forward. Guess this is why I see so many peeps loading up on hellfire missiles at higher levels. Learned another CC lesson today.

I'm on the same boat. About to give up spending on this game and move on to free play option before i'll get bored completely.

Olly1
07-11-2012, 01:36 PM
I have no idea how many crates I've bought but the rare drop is much lower than 5% for me. The common is easily over 65-70%.

in-game j
07-11-2012, 01:39 PM
I have no idea how many crates I've bought but the rare drop is much lower than 5% for me. The common is easily over 65-70%.

Moral of this story is - don't trust gree(d). I wouldn't be surprised if those percentages are fudged depending on the time of the day, etc

DenZ1
07-11-2012, 01:59 PM
Moral of this story is - don't trust gree(d). I wouldn't be surprised if those percentages are fudged depending on the time of the day, etc

They are fudged in my opinion and observations. There are more variables to that formula then just 15/25/60 chance split.

dudeman
07-11-2012, 02:04 PM
They are fudged in my opinion and observations. There are more variables to that formula then just 15/25/60 chance split.

People should have learned that the drop rates on crates are fudged back when the Red Star crates were available. Remember those? The drop rates were changed while those crates were still available, and the Hardened Shotgun was a COMMON item that was in fact more rare than ANY of the rare items! Those were the last crates I ever bought, and that experience was enough to tell me "I got really lucky with these crates, but the drop rates are inaccurate and falsely represented. I'm OUT!"

kaz
07-11-2012, 02:07 PM
Same here. 4 crates, all common items! 15% my a$$.

Dangerous Greg
07-11-2012, 02:11 PM
I bought 7 sets of 3 of the new crates:
1 Rare = 4.76%
4 Uncommon = 19 %
16 Common = 76.2%

This is really a poor outcome! I really hate that the company is so tight to give drop rates that are always less than what is suggested. I mean COME ON...these are VIRTUAL items!

Crime City Mark
07-11-2012, 02:11 PM
Just picked up 5 sets of new crates to test; 2 rares. I'll check to see if the drop rates were lowered.

sexkitteh
07-11-2012, 02:13 PM
Just picked up 5 sets of new crates to test; 2 rares. I'll check to see if the drop rates were lowered.

wowowowowowow.... so there is/are test accounts???

Sandukan
07-11-2012, 02:14 PM
Can a "test" the drop rates also.
I am all for R&D

You can drop the gold off any time before 10 PM.

Crime City Mark
07-11-2012, 02:26 PM
wowowowowowow.... so there is/are test accounts???

This was tested on a QA server that is a mirror of the live server.

Dangerous Greg
07-11-2012, 02:32 PM
Just picked up 5 sets of new crates to test; 2 rares. I'll check to see if the drop rates were lowered.

Thanks Mark, I love that you responded to this thread!

I don't know that if I got 2 rares out of 15 that I would be so miffed. (1/21 was my result).

Just a rhetorical question: Wouldn't it be better if your gold spenders spent gold and felt GOOD about the outcome rather than the feeling that they got shafted? If ever the statement "Under promise and over deliver" should be followed, I would think it would be in these cases. Virtual rewards! How easy is that to over deliver? :)

DenZ1
07-11-2012, 02:41 PM
Thanks Mark, I love that you responded to this thread!

I don't know that if I got 2 rares out of 15 that I would be so miffed. (1/21 was my result).

Just a rhetorical question: Wouldn't it be better if your gold spenders spent gold and felt GOOD about the outcome rather than the feeling that they got shafted? If ever the statement "Under promise and over deliver" should be followed, I would think it would be in these cases. Virtual rewards! How easy is that to over deliver? :)
+1 to that. Why won't to keep us happy? We spending enough real money on one virtual game so we can get a good entertainmen the reason to be upset and angry all the time. Is it so difficult to overdeliver a bit those virtual regards? Actually just deliver as expected. Well be happy.

Paulio
07-11-2012, 02:46 PM
I bought 7 sets of 3 of the new crates:
1 Rare = 4.76%
4 Uncommon = 19 %
16 Common = 76.2%

This is really a poor outcome! I really hate that the company is so tight to give drop rates that are always less than what is suggested. I mean COME ON...these are VIRTUAL items!

I got almost identical results as you did.

sexkitteh
07-11-2012, 02:49 PM
I got almost identical results as you did.

You guys are looking at the math wrong... it's a percentage PER crate... it's not like it's saying 1 in 6 crates will be a rare...

If you open a crate 100 times you should get about 5 rares - 25 uncommon - and 60 common... That's 100 crates ONE HUNDRED...

Sandukan
07-11-2012, 02:56 PM
This is a game of probabilities.
If they really wanted to "reward" gold buyers they would flip the chances making it more likely to get rare items (although that would make them not rare, so may need to rename them as "worthwhile").
Would you spend more for gold if that were the case?

Paulio
07-11-2012, 02:57 PM
You guys are looking at the math wrong... it's a percentage PER crate... it's not like it's saying 1 in 6 crates will be a rare...

If you open a crate 100 times you should get about 5 rares - 25 uncommon - and 60 common... That's 100 crates ONE HUNDRED...

5 + 25 + 60 = 90. That's exactly my point. Funzio's math is all effed up

DenZ1
07-11-2012, 02:57 PM
You guys are looking at the math wrong... it's a percentage PER crate... it's not like it's saying 1 in 6 crates will be a rare...

If you open a crate 100 times you should get about 5 rares - 25 uncommon - and 60 common... That's 100 crates ONE HUNDRED...

We al know it. Statistically over large enough sample it should be close to 15/25/60 even if it static per crate. How else can you check these %s???
It is not apparently as a lot of people have that issue.

Sandukan
07-11-2012, 02:59 PM
5 + 25 + 60 = 90. That's exactly my point. Funzio's math is all effed up

You forgot the invisible 10% lol
It makes the game less predictable.
It's there.
You just have to trust them.

Luke 3457
07-11-2012, 03:41 PM
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Luke 3457
07-11-2012, 03:43 PM
I bought a vault worth stats went up 1225 attack and 800 d... I also have 95,500 attack and 93,550 d so that should put it in perspective

DenZ1
07-11-2012, 03:57 PM
I bought a vault worth stats went up 1225 attack and 800 d... I also have 95,500 attack and 93,550 d so that should put it in perspective

My 875 gold gave me 102/270 increase given 61A/61D.. How would you like these chances? :)

DenZ1
07-11-2012, 04:02 PM
I've anticipated them for a while. Bought a vault of gold and 5 hits later I'm completely disgusted and even did stop buying them as there is no point getting more of this common garbage.

Paulio
07-11-2012, 04:40 PM
I've anticipated them for a while. Bought a vault of gold and 5 hits later I'm completely disgusted and even did stop buying them as there is no point getting more of this common garbage.

It wouldn't be so bad if the commons were at least better than the RP items, but there's really not much difference.

Dangerous Greg
07-11-2012, 05:20 PM
I'd throw my iPad out for a few results like Luke's! Let's leave it to "individual results will vary".

GazLegend
07-11-2012, 06:25 PM
Probability of 3 common is 3/5 * 3/5 * 3/5 = 27/125 or for percentage fans 21.6%

Fairly resanable I think. Imagine throwing a dice, does is ever come up 1. Yes of course it does

Dangerous Greg
07-12-2012, 03:44 AM
Throwing the dice 7 times and getting a "1" 4 out of 7 times is not quite as reasonable. What about the odds of throwing a "1" 4 times in a row (which I have done). That should only happen 0.2 % of the time. So, when you get results that are the worst possible outcome repeatedly, and the chances of that outcome are supposed to be rare, it is s bit frustrating. You begin to think that the chances of getting 3 common items is NOT 21% of the time. I would not complain if I got 3 commons only 1 time out of 5 tries. After hundreds of crates I can tell you that getting 3 commons is much more likely (for me) than 21% of the time.

Second Comming
07-12-2012, 04:28 AM
Bring back the original cost of crates 15/45 gold....

ruffy
07-12-2012, 04:54 AM
Bring back the original cost of crates 15/45 gold....

you expect gree(d)/conzio staff to downgrade their cars and houses?

nytelock
07-12-2012, 05:07 AM
It sure sucks bro. I'm am beginning to wonder if these are honest people

Zoryn
07-12-2012, 08:08 AM
I'm having trouble opening samurai chests. I keep getting message telling me to use crowbar after trying to open one. So I've bought crowbar for 300 from the store but i continue to get the same message. What am i missing? Seems like awful waste of ~1500+300 crowbar to try open it for nothing. I'm new to the game. Can someone please help me?

DenZ1
07-12-2012, 08:13 AM
Throwing the dice 7 times and getting a "1" 4 out of 7 times is not quite as reasonable. What about the odds of throwing a "1" 4 times in a row (which I have done). That should only happen 0.2 % of the time. So, when you get results that are the worst possible outcome repeatedly, and the chances of that outcome are supposed to be rare, it is s bit frustrating. You begin to think that the chances of getting 3 common items is NOT 21% of the time. I would not complain if I got 3 commons only 1 time out of 5 tries. After hundreds of crates I can tell you that getting 3 commons is much more likely (for me) than 21% of the time.

It's not just for you. I can guarantee you getting 3 commons for some reason is WAY (twice at least) higher then 21% based on experience.

Sandukan
07-12-2012, 08:25 AM
I'm having trouble opening samurai chests. I keep getting message telling me to use crowbar after trying to open one. So I've bought crowbar for 300 from the store but i continue to get the same message. What am i missing? Seems like awful waste of ~1500+300 crowbar to try open it for nothing. I'm new to the game. Can someone please help me?
Best post EVER!!!!

Zoryn
07-12-2012, 08:33 AM
Best post EVER!!!!

Glad to make your day but I'm not kidding. I tryed opening chests all morning & kept getting the same result like 6+ times. Guess the crowbar thing is not real suggestion...

Sandukan
07-12-2012, 08:36 AM
Glad to make your day but I'm not kidding. I tryed opening chests all morning & kept getting the same result like 6+ times. Guess the crowbar thing is not real suggestion...
You need luck or gold to open the crates not a crowbar.
If you use gold then it is 100% open rate.
In game cash is less predictable.
Crowbars I assure you will not work.

sexkitteh
07-12-2012, 08:40 AM
Glad to make your day but I'm not kidding. I tryed opening chests all morning & kept getting the same result like 6+ times. Guess the crowbar thing is not real suggestion...

That's pretty funny :D

Yeah crowbar is not what you need lol... you need to spend a little gold to get the results you are looking for ; )

DenZ1
07-12-2012, 11:05 AM
Best post EVER!!!!
+1 :) At least he didn't get one from hardware store :)

Sorry mate. Had to make that joke :)

Paulio
07-12-2012, 11:21 AM
I'm having trouble opening samurai chests. I keep getting message telling me to use crowbar after trying to open one. So I've bought crowbar for 300 from the store but i continue to get the same message. What am i missing? Seems like awful waste of ~1500+300 crowbar to try open it for nothing. I'm new to the game. Can someone please help me?

Sorry bro, but that is pretty funny. I like how you think outside the box.

The next time you're ready to open a box, you'll notice there are three option: Free, Cash and Gold. The Gold option is the "crowbar" and gives you a guarantee open. But be careful - it's guaranteed to open, but not guaranteed to give you a shard.

Tomatoneverdie
07-12-2012, 11:26 AM
I know this doesn't have anything to do with the crates, but I just got back to back $100 price from the scratchers....hope that made y'all feel just a little better....

sexkitteh
07-12-2012, 11:29 AM
I know this doesn't have anything to do with the crates, but I just got back to back $100 price from the scratchers....hope that made y'all feel just a little better....

What?! o_0

You got $100 worth of gold?

I'm confused...

Tomatoneverdie
07-12-2012, 11:39 AM
$100 in game cash, yeah I am THAT lucky!!

Tomatoneverdie
07-12-2012, 11:45 AM
Worst possible price for scratcher twice in a roll....felt like I hit that lottery, that tells me spending $0 for gold was a correct decision....

Luciferianism
07-12-2012, 11:52 AM
You can't get $100 in game cash from scratchers ...

in-game j
07-12-2012, 12:10 PM
You can't get $100 in game cash from scratchers ...

maybe 100,000,000 in game cash prize?

sexkitteh
07-12-2012, 12:13 PM
Worst possible price for scratcher twice in a roll....felt like I hit that lottery, that tells me spending $0 for gold was a correct decision....

No... he says he got the worst possible prize...

PawnXIIX
07-12-2012, 12:36 PM
In total 30 commons, 2 uncommon and 1 rare. which is 91%, 6% and 3% respectively.
Isn't it a complete BS??? I know the rates are reset.. Chances are the same everytime...blah..blah..
Sorry... I'm don't buy that luck thing bs with this instance. especially given 40/60 split for not commons. I'm not that unlucky. Before I never had that issue. It was better or worse but never this kinda junk.

This happens because the events are mutually exclusive. You can't expect that if you open 100 to get 15 rares. It just doesn't work that way :(

sexkitteh
07-12-2012, 12:44 PM
5 + 25 + 60 = 90. That's exactly my point. Funzio's math is all effed up

You didn't understand what I was saying...

You'd have to open the SAME crate 100 times and it would produce 5 rares... etc...

Every crate has a high chance of hitting a common. It's not calculated by HOW MANY crates you buy or open... the % is calculated PER crate...

Does that make more sense?

Tomatoneverdie
07-12-2012, 12:52 PM
Correction, I meant $1000.... My bad, now that's $900 more than I originally thought, I do feel better now....

DenZ1
07-12-2012, 02:46 PM
This happens because the events are mutually exclusive. You can't expect that if you open 100 to get 15 rares. It just doesn't work that way :(

Repeating myself, but .. We know that.
But statistically speaking I'm still expecting 15/25/60 over large sample.. We are NOT getting it.

Brooklyn Boy
07-12-2012, 04:09 PM
I think one of the problems with the crates is it's relation to one's Atk/Def #'s. Even the common items are good value if your in the lower lvl's and your stats are low. But when your stats are much higher in the upper lvl's (75,000+) they have no value at all. Not sure what the answer is except maybe a forth tier in the crates.