How powerful is your army, not how big?

[Mad]

In this thread I want to get an idea your power per unit on Defense and attack. As I level up, I am trying to get an idea of the power of the armies I will be encountering.

I am thinking the power per unit is probably more important than the number of allies, or certainly as significant. I have fought guys with 2 even 3 times more allies than me, but I am able to beat them because though my army is smaller, it is more powerful.

I am at level 40 with 39 allies. I can take 156 units into battle and based on that:

I have a per unit defense of 27.7 and per unit attack of 19.7.

I would just like to know what level you are, number of allies and your power per unit for attack and defense:

[andymac106]

Level 116. 500 Allies

A: 34.6
D: 30.3

[bigflan]

Level 49,
32.95 is attack,
defense is 37.3

yah I don't know if I did it wrong or not but meh at 30 allies

[vitus79]

lvl 81: 405 allies

atk: 134.5
def: 159.4

[bigflan]

lvl 81: 405 allies

atk: 134.5
def: 159.4You just put me to shame

[andymac106]

lvl 81: 405 allies

atk: 134.5
def: 159.4

I am weak now lol :p

[Mad]

lvl 81: 405 allies

atk: 134.5
def: 159.4

Whose idea was it to start this thread anyway lol? This is depressing.

[vitus79]

Whose idea was it to start this thread anyway lol? This is depressing.

hey sorry, wasnt my intention. but i like the idea of the thread to know where you stand. was thinking about dropping few allies to see how it looks at the 80s. the maxed allies around me are the fast levelers with poor incomes and pretty much nothing worth to raid

[Mad]

hey sorry, wasnt my intention. but i like the idea of the thread to know where you stand. was thinking about dropping few allies to see how it looks at the 80s. the maxed allies around me are the fast levelers with poor incomes and pretty much nothing worth to raid

No I am glad you posted those numbers, you have a very powerful army.

[CAPT.GIN]

lvl 81: 405 allies

atk: 134.5
def: 159.4



Everytime I look at her base I almost sh!+ my pants!!! Then I knock on wood and say thank you for being my Allie...

[vitus79]

No I am glad you posted those numbers, you have a very powerful army.

thx, it has a bunch gold units, limiteds, crates. but mostly expensive cash units. im playing since the beginning and normally should be at lvl 200 now but i wanted to do better as in cc when i started so i decided to camp alot.

cash seems more useful here than in crime city. but after the horror stories about 300k attack guys up there im even more slowing down, i let others level up to fill the brackets for the whale territory. or lets say the point where they see u in the list moves up. well thats what i hope at least :) still many upgrades to do so im in no rush.

[vitus79]

Everytime I look at her base I almost sh!+ my pants!!! Then I knock on wood and say thank you for being my Allie...

aw dont make me feel abashed :P

[JMC]

I am thinking the power per unit is probably more important than the number of allies, or certainly as significant. I have fought guys with 2 even 3 times more allies than me, but I am able to beat them because though my army is smaller, it is more powerful.

Well yeah, allies don't win you fights at all. The extra power associated by having more troops is what does it. Attack stat, versus defence stat is all that matters.


lvl 81: 405 allies

atk: 134.5
def: 159.4

He's talking about Power per unit, not power per ally.

Your Atk : 33.625
Your Def : 39.85



I'm level 162, 515 allies

Atk : 45.673
Def : 57.0515

[bigflan]

Hey I'm not far behind JMC I'm on the right track or did I do it wrong

[JMC]

Hey I'm not far behind JMC I'm on the right track or did I do it wrong

Don't know if you did it right or wrong, but a small change in these numbers means a lot. Especially when you're comparing a 120 unit army to a 2000 unit army.

You've got a long way to go :P

[Selfproclaimed]

How are you guys figuring out your power per unit?

[Dr. Dengus]

(Attack or Defense Stat / Units Brought to Battle)

[JMC]

How are you guys figuring out your power per unit?

Alliance attack divided by number of units.
Alliance defence divided by number of units.

Simple math :P

[bigflan]

Alliance attack divided by number of units.
Alliance defence divided by number of units.

Simple math :P

Yup that's how I did it mys stats are fine I guess working on bf2 bombers for fun times

[7000]

I have 500 allies with 87k/79k so it's like 43.5/39.5 if I am doing it right

[Mad]

How are you guys figuring out your power per unit?

You figure out how many units you can take into battle, which is the number of allies times 4. So if you have 30 allies you can take 120 units into battle. Then divide your total defense score by 120 and your total attack score by 120 and that will give you the average D and A of the units you take into battle.

The reason the average is important to me is because I am wanting to upgrade that average. I want the average score to go higher. For example in the last event, units 5, 7 and 9 (which I won) were all increasing my average on both Attack and Defense, so I aggressively went after them.

It is also important to know the average, because as you add allies (grunts), the average per unit goes down. So if you add one ally in order to keep my average high, I need to add four good units.

[Selfproclaimed]

Mines pretty low . Never thought about figuring out my average before but it's good to know so I know what range I should go for to increase it

[Kudu22]

I was off on mine. Not that high for me either.

[Selfproclaimed]

Jmc,how is ur defense power per unit soo high.Like what kind of defense units do you have ?

[bigflan]

Mine is some what decent so self proclaimed it's you buy stealth surveillance drones if your Russia and aircraft carries I don't have accese to yet

[JMC]

Jmc,how is ur defense power per unit soo high.Like what kind of defense units do you have ?

That's with boosts.

Most of my army is air and i have a level 7 airship hangar, level 10 composites factory and i am russia.
This puts a 44% defence boost on all my air units. Which include 500 super hornets 550 elite ops helicopters 390 stealth surveillance drones, strong loots like the modified fighter as well as the tournaments rewards like the black dragon fighter and the elite base defence.

Elite base defence is 464 defence. With my boost it is 668.

[bigflan]

Holy shamalamading**** JMC im just hoping to win the event prize with infantry and air bonus for attack my attacking army is infantry and air I don't have a composite but am saving for one and I have a measly level 2 airship hangar

[Q Raider]

Mine is some what decent so self proclaimed it's you buy stealth surveillance drones if your Russia and aircraft carries I don't have accese to yet

Just remember with the SSD's and Russia to keep a check and make sure they aren't going into your attack.

Currently have Attack 29, Defence 32.

[Selfproclaimed]

Damn dude. That had to of been alllooooooot of valor. I'm level 77 and with each level valor missions only yield a few thousand valor. So how many levels of saving did you do. Even if I save up my valor from here level 77 to level 154 ,I don't think I could have enough valor to buy 500 of each the helis and the sh

[bigflan]

20 minutes till I can do my next upgrade what shall I do next

Armory to Lv 8

Airfield to Lv 10

Cement factory to Lv 7

Command centre to Lv 9

What should I do next

[JMC]

If you pick your fights well, you'll be able to. Back when there was actually a big problem with the casualty rates i probably lost about 350000 valors worth of units.

Glitchers have no problem getting 3000 or sometimes even 4000 valor units (They don't know how to play). Show how much valor you can earn. After that you run out of missions and it is difficult though.

[CAPT.GIN]

20 minutes till I can do my next upgrade what shall I do next

Armory to Lv 8

Airfield to Lv 10

Cement factory to Lv 7

Command centre to Lv 9

What should I do next

No oil rig or electric pp yet flan?

[KCh]

I'm level 165, 775 allies

Atk : 44.464
Def : 57.312

[bigflan]

I'm level 165, 775 allies

Atk : 44.464
Def : 57.312Are you and JMC brothers or friends

[bigflan]

No oil rig or electric pp yet flan?I have both but do not want to upgrade them yet I want some accese to new units my stats are going nowhere with the units available now

[Selfproclaimed]

My attack is 14000 and oddly,there are still people with under 5000 defense in my range . I've noticed I can farm about 100 valor with all my stamina give or take a lil. And lose minimal amount of units ( maybe one or two every 3-4 attacks) .but of course that's only if I attack someone with such low stats

[Q Raider]

Just looking at figures. Providing it is not due to a lot of Gold units I would be willing to put money on Andymac and Mad being players who lose units at a lower rate than most other players......

Am I correct?

Attack higher than defense is one of my key early pointers to players with this advantage. Typical case was yesterday, got hit twenty times by one, he lost 11 and won 9. His attack was 40k versus 30k defense. 886 GIGN's and around 600 Hornets....

Self-proclaimed: The Valor available from PVP climbs as you level up. At level 119 I get between 1 and 16 Valor per attack, average is probably close to ten. The really interesting thing to note is that you get higher Valor by attacking lower stat players. Take note of this and check.....Valor payouts are lower when you lose a unit on an attack.

Another hint is when attacking a player where you reckon a unit loss is a possibility (benchmark their defence above 30% of your attack) and your Valor return drops down to one or two it is probably a good time to back off as your next attack is almost certain to cost you a unit.

[Warfiend]

Lvl 36, 49 allies, attack 27, defense 36. Attack would be substantially higher if my bear bonus wasn't "invisible".

[Q Raider]

Lvl 36, 49 allies, attack 27, defense 36. Attack would be substantially higher if my bear bonus wasn't "invisible".

Yes, it is annoying to have to bear the bare bear....

[BadBoyz]

I dont have the time or patience, can someone figure my average. Below is what is taken into battle when i attack or raid. There are NO gold units.

Top 45 units.

Indestructible Units:

Black Dragon Fighter A:311 D:207
SP Howitzer: A:95 D:45
Rapid Strike Spetsnaz A:57 D:27
Fortune Aggressor A:54 D:32
Black Shark Helicopter A:45 D:36
Elite Global Hawk A:43 D:26
Silent Scout A:33 D:23
Armored Communicator A:31 D:62
Aggressor Battleship A:29 D:40
T-Rex APC A:28 D:22
Hunter A:28 D:23
Stealth Striker A:27 D:18
Elite Grenadier A:25 D:6
Tactical Landing Craft A:23 D:46
Barbarian Tank A:23 D:22
Lone Star A:21 D:34
Dragon Sub A:21 D:9
Hidden Infantry A:20 D:36

Valor Units

201-Expert Attack Drone A:46 D:30
115-Elite Water Cruiser A:41 D:65
102-Elite Ops Helicopter A:37 D:48
102-Super Hornets A:36 D:26
151-Stealth Frigates A:31 D:18
151-Harden Marines A:31 D:35
35-Strike Eagles A:19 D:11
80-M270 MLRS A:17 D:37

Loot Items

2-Mech Rover A:22 D:14
6-Ghost Hounds A:22 D:18
9-Dragon Soldiers A:20 D:15

Cash Units

19-Ballistic Missile Sub A:31 D:23
16-Destroyers A:25 D:23
25-Stealth Boats A:22 D:19
20-Rapid Fire Attack Vehicle A:20 D:18
26-Harrier Jets A:18 D:14
15-Commache Helicopter A:18 D:18
30-Osprey VTOL A:17 D:22
75-BioWarfare Troop A:17 D:8
10-Strykers A:16 D:14

[JMC]

I dont have the time or patience, can someone figure my average. Below is what is taken into battle when i attack or raid. There are NO gold units.

Top 45 units.

Indestructible Units:

Black Dragon Fighter A:311 D:207
SP Howitzer: A:95 D:45
Rapid Strike Spetsnaz A:57 D:27
Fortune Aggressor A:54 D:32
Black Shark Helicopter A:45 D:36
Elite Global Hawk A:43 D:26
Silent Scout A:33 D:23
Armored Communicator A:31 D:62
Aggressor Battleship A:29 D:40
T-Rex APC A:28 D:22
Hunter A:28 D:23
Stealth Striker A:27 D:18
Elite Grenadier A:25 D:6
Tactical Landing Craft A:23 D:46
Barbarian Tank A:23 D:22
Lone Star A:21 D:34
Dragon Sub A:21 D:9
Hidden Infantry A:20 D:36

Valor Units

201-Expert Attack Drone A:46 D:30
115-Elite Water Cruiser A:41 D:65
102-Elite Ops Helicopter A:37 D:48
102-Super Hornets A:36 D:26
151-Stealth Frigates A:31 D:18
151-Harden Marines A:31 D:35
35-Strike Eagles A:19 D:11
80-M270 MLRS A:17 D:37

Loot Items

2-Mech Rover A:22 D:14
6-Ghost Hounds A:22 D:18
9-Dragon Soldiers A:20 D:15

Cash Units

19-Ballistic Missile Sub A:31 D:23
16-Destroyers A:25 D:23
25-Stealth Boats A:22 D:19
20-Rapid Fire Attack Vehicle A:20 D:18
26-Harrier Jets A:18 D:14
15-Commache Helicopter A:18 D:18
30-Osprey VTOL A:17 D:22
75-BioWarfare Troop A:17 D:8
10-Strykers A:16 D:14

Lol your average takes about 2 seconds to calculate. Don't need any of that. Give me your attack stat, your defence stat and number of allies.

[BadBoyz]

Lol your average takes about 2 seconds to calculate. Don't need any of that. Give me your attack stat, your defence stat and number of allies.

Stats are in my sig block..

[Warfiend]

Yes, it is annoying to have to bear the bare bear....

It's unbearable...

[BadBoyz]

Lol your average takes about 2 seconds to calculate. Don't need any of that. Give me your attack stat, your defence stat and number of allies.

Oh, I wanted to find out the average without the allies. The average of what is taken into battle???

[JMC]

Oh, I wanted to find out the average without the allies. The average of what is taken into battle???

Well your stats indicate what is taken into battle. The battle screen only shows your top 45 as it'd have to load possibly hundreds of units for some people and would likely cause crashing. Average of your top 45 units brought to battle means nothing.

Your Atk: 32.5
Your Def: 32.4

[Copenhagen]

That's with boosts.

Most of my army is air and i have a level 7 airship hangar, level 10 composites factory and i am russia.
This puts a 44% defence boost on all my air units. Which include 500 super hornets 550 elite ops helicopters 390 stealth surveillance drones, strong loots like the modified fighter as well as the tournaments rewards like the black dragon fighter and the elite base defence.

Elite base defence is 464 defence. With my boost it is 668.

I was under the impression that the building unit boost was only applied to Attack and that for Defense boost, the Compositie was the universal boost for all units.

In other words your Air Attack boost would be Country 10%, Air Hanger 14% (Total A 24%), and Air Defense would be Country 10%, Composite 20% (Total D 30%).

Please confirm or correct me as this is a huge difference. Thanks!

Allies: 188 (752 units)
Avg. A: 61.44
Avg. D: 68.56

[Dreno33]

Attack per unit: 74.2
Defense per unit: 103.2

[stricker]

Attack per unit: 74.2
Defense per unit: 103.2

hahaha... statistically, you get tossed out dre!!! hahaha...

you're the anomaly... 27 units total... LOLxs

[Dreno33]

hahaha... statistically, you get tossed out dre!!! hahaha...

you're the anomaly... 27 units total... LOLxs

i only use 5 though, LOL

[Prisoner of War]

First of all,i'd like to say hello to everyone here on the forums,i've been playing for about a month and a half and just registered to the forum,as i have found it to be extremely helpful.
That aside, here are my stats:
Lvl 26
Allianca attack=5931
Alliance Defence=6179
Alliance members 25
Composite factory lvl 4

[Copenhagen]

Welcome POW - Do you really live in Auschwitz?

[stricker]

welcome PoW... nice a/d stats... what's your win/loss stats and iph???

[KCh]

I was under the impression that the building unit boost was only applied to Attack and that for Defense boost, the Compositie was the universal boost for all units.

In other words your Air Attack boost would be Country 10%, Air Hanger 14% (Total A 24%), and Air Defense would be Country 10%, Composite 20% (Total D 30%).

Please confirm or correct me as this is a huge difference. Thanks!

Allies: 188 (752 units)
Avg. A: 61.44
Avg. D: 68.56

The unit boost buildings are applied to both attack and defense of the certain unit types, and the composites applies to just the defense of all units.

Next time you upgrade a unit boost building, check your A/D stats right before the upgrade is complete. After the upgrade completes, you'll see that both attack and defense stats have increased.

[Copenhagen]

The unit boost buildings are applied to both attack and defense of the certain unit types, and the composites applies to just the defense of all units.

Next time you upgrade a unit boost building, check your A/D stats right before the upgrade is complete. After the upgrade completes, you'll see that both attack and defense stats have increased.

Thanks, bro. I'll make that my next upgrade to verify. Now if they could get the Camo Bear boost to be visible....

[Prisoner of War]

Welcome POW - Do you really live in Auschwitz?

Haha,no Copenhagen, i just put that because of my name ,i am from So Cal,like you.

[Prisoner of War]

welcome PoW... nice a/d stats... what's your win/loss stats and iph???

Fights won=647
Fights lost=31
I attack hard to people that come to my wall and leave rude comments.

Succesfull raids=1434
Failed raids=0
I am not a bully btw,that raids to steal money,i mostly raid supply depots,armories,barracks,etc, that only give 1xp and many bp's. :),i am lieutenant atm.

Srry idk what iph means :P . edit(ohh, income per hour , 118682)

P.S srry if i double posted, don't know how to respond to 2 comments in same post :)

[ckos]

Level 92
Allies 40
A 49.50/D 44.54

[vitus79]

He's talking about Power per unit, not power per ally.

Your Atk : 33.625
Your Def : 39.85




ah thx for pointing that out. was wondering why my numbers are that high compared to others. guess i just overread it and assumed its atk/def per ally :)

[Deskjockey]

My attack density is 21.46 and my defense density is 28.33. I'm at level 78 with 229 allies (I got 12 grunts in the last event, which heavily diluted my density scores).

[Maverick50727]

Alliance attack divided by number of units.
Alliance defence divided by number of units.

Simple math :P
The alliance defense includes the sum of your bases defenses.
Def Density = (Alliance defence - sum of base def) / number of units to battle

You can do it either way but taking out base defenses if you have many is much more accurate on a per unit calculation.

[bigflan]

My stats are crap unfortunately

Atk 32.8
Def 38

I have 30 allies but meh flan train

[JMC]

The alliance defense includes the sum of your bases defenses.
Def Density = (Alliance defence - sum of base def) / number of units to battle

You can do it either way but taking out base defenses if you have many is much more accurate on a per unit calculation.

It doesn't really matter, the defence from the base is next to nothing unless you've bought all the gold buildings and upgraded them.

Either way, those points count towards your defensive power. If you want "true" power per unit, you might as well take boost bonuses out of the picture as well.

[Arizona]

It doesn't really matter, the defence from the base is next to nothing unless you've bought all the gold buildings and upgraded them.

Either way, those points count towards your defensive power. If you want "true" power per unit, you might as well take boost bonuses out of the picture as well.

Agreed. The defence buildings are counting towards the defence density. Removing them will give you the correct defence unit density, but it isn't just the units defending; its also the buildings. Therefore I'd just use the simple calculation.

Also, those players with low allies and impressive densities are fooling themselves if they think they can keep those when they come to increase allies. It's not impossible, but very difficult unless you're willing spend on gold. As soon as you add an ally, your unit density will probably drop, unless you already have those extra units ready, and with attack and defence scores at least equal to your current densities.
More likely, to maintain a high density, you will have to increasingly buy higher value units. As soon as you buy a meat shield, your density drops. It becomes more difficult to increase attack / defence densities as you go forward in the game. A powerful economy is a must, whether that's real, or in-game.
Currently my attack and defence density is 22.84, 29.13 with 80 allies.

[commandNconquer]

65,61 attack and 76,9 defense

low allies and free player

[Arizona]

65,61 attack and 76,9 defense

low allies and free player
Impressive CnC. I see lower numbers for you, but that's the hangar boost pushing your scores up, and the Comp factory.
I noticed you dropped a lot of allies once again! What was happening with higher numbers?

[commandNconquer]

was bored of low casualty glitch of some players and i want to get the L10 hangar i currently sit at L8 i got 13,5m and when my other update finish i will have the 17,3m for the L9 hangar... my bet is L10 hangar is 21-23m so i need to be low allied to be able to afford some cash outside the vault :p

[War Priest]

Last I heard, mine was pretty weak.

[CAPT.GIN]

Last I heard, mine was pretty weak.


Yea your army makes flans look good... It's alrite WP gold dosent buy everything you know lol..

[JMC]

Agreed. The defence buildings are counting towards the defence density. Removing them will give you the correct defence unit density, but it isn't just the units defending; its also the buildings. Therefore I'd just use the simple calculation.

Also, those players with low allies and impressive densities are fooling themselves if they think they can keep those when they come to increase allies. It's not impossible, but very difficult unless you're willing spend on gold. As soon as you add an ally, your unit density will probably drop, unless you already have those extra units ready, and with attack and defence scores at least equal to your current densities.
More likely, to maintain a high density, you will have to increasingly buy higher value units. As soon as you buy a meat shield, your density drops. It becomes more difficult to increase attack / defence densities as you go forward in the game. A powerful economy is a must, whether that's real, or in-game.
Currently my attack and defence density is 22.84, 29.13 with 80 allies.

Yeah, if i had as low allies as some of you guys, my density would be twice what it is now or higher.
If i was dreno, it would be 400 for ea :P

[War Priest]

Yea your army makes flans look good... It's alrite WP gold dosent buy everything you know lol..

Buy limited editions and crates. That's all I need.

[Hellstorm]

Lvl 111. 460 allies
A: 31k
D: 62k

Update... 67k defense :D now waiting for the big valor units

[War Priest]

220 allies
44K Attack
48K Defense

Level 83

[Kara T]

Lv 88
A 27k
D 30k
Allies 137

Most of the people on my rivals list are in the 6k to 9k range for either attack or defense....some in the mid teens and very few in the mid twenties+. Allies for rivals range from 80 to 240. Rival stats are pre boost, if any. Mine include boost.

[Selfproclaimed]

Lots of gold units Kara?

[Kara T]

Lots of gold units Kara?

Yes quite a few now....thanks to the addictive nature of the crates. However I also buy high end cash units as they are unlocked.

[War Priest]

Reached 50K defense with 220 allies. :)

[Miner]

lvl 81: 405 allies

atk: 134.5
def: 159.4

Dang. I suck. Your average stats for every unit you bring to battle is 83A/98D. Mine is 18A/21D. Can we ally? :)

[vitus79]

Dang. I suck. Your average stats for every unit you bring to battle is 83A/98D. Mine is 18A/21D. Can we ally? :)

i did it wrong as i overread it, thats my stats per ally. stats per unit is like this


He's talking about Power per unit, not power per ally.

Your Atk : 33.625
Your Def : 39.85

[hobofromthestars]

Lvl 121 Allies - 1252
77546/77202

a - 38.7
D - 38.6

GIGN x 100
Hardened Marine x 100
Avenger x 100
Expert Attack drone x 150
Strike Eagle x 150
Super Hornet x 600
Elite Ops Heli x 500
Stealth Frigate x 150
Elite Water Cruiser x 160

[Miner]

i did it wrong as i overread it, thats my stats per ally. stats per unit is like this

Just to make sure I'm not doing this wrong - someone confirm my math.

405 allies x 4 units per ally = 1,620 units

134,500 attack (that's just ridiculous by the way) / 1,620 = 83A per unit in battle
159,400 defense (crazy ridiculous) / 1,620 = 98D per unit in battle

[JMC]

Just to make sure I'm not doing this wrong - someone confirm my math.

405 allies x 4 units per ally = 1,620 units

134,500 attack (that's just ridiculous by the way) / 1,620 = 83A per unit in battle
159,400 defense (crazy ridiculous) / 1,620 = 98D per unit in battle

The 134.5 and 159.4 are incorrect numbers.

Vitus' attack is 53000 and defence is 64000. And average is as she quoted above.

[Miner]

The 134.5 and 159.4 are incorrect numbers.

Vitus' attack is 53000 and defence is 64000. And average is as she quoted above.

Got it. Thanks!

[iWar]

lvl 116
49.3
71.5

A 24.6
D 35.8