Thar She Blows

[Joe Brown1]

Any idea where whale territory starts these days?

[The_Legend_Shall_Live_On]

I've asked before. Apparently it is around 60, 65 and up.

[Joe Brown1]

Thanks! :cool: It tends to shift upwards with time. When I started CC it was at lvl 70 or 80, now it is around 142. I was curious if it has sifted any higher on KA.

[Skoty422]

Well. I don't know what y'all call whale territory but I'm lvl 65 and I see plenty of people with 10k or less def. stats. I've only seen three or four people with stats of 15-30k but they also had about 160 allies. My rival list consist of same or one level below my own and allies from 29-168. I have 90 allies now. I am a totally free player that does not camp and I am not getting beat up on so I'm assuming this "whale territory" is either in later levels or at higher allies.

[Freekizh]

I would guess 72+

[asdfg12345]

Its been a week since I got attacked by someone really high and I just hit 80 today. I think Whale territory might be mid 80s by now.

[MSH]

I am Lvl 90 - nothing particularly threatening on my battle list, at least as of yet. Saw a few guys with a/d around 50k+ , but most numbers tend to vary between mid teens to early 30s ...

[Freekizh]

I guess just becos you don't get attacked doesn't mean people can't see you, or they don't think you are an attractive target.

One way to find out is to carry unvaulted gold :)

[Dewsy]

I'm at level 75 and I get attacked about 3-4 times a day by players level 100+. I have 30k defence if that helps work out where whale territory begins..

[Freekizh]

I'm at level 75 and I get attacked about 3-4 times a day by players level 100+. I have 30k defence if that helps work out where whale territory begins..

This is what I expected..also i find it moves up one level per day which is what it takes to level up in the very high levels if played normally.

[MSH]

I guess just becos you don't get attacked doesn't mean people can't see you, or they don't think you are an attractive target.

One way to find out is to carry vaulted
gold :)
Oh - that's for sure - my "kingdom" is just not that attractive by design - relatively OK A/D - mid 30s, and very low (and always protected ) gold balances with no super-high revenue unharvested buildings - whales could get me, of course, but there are plenty much better targets around...I meanwhile could still get my minnows ;)

[asdfg12345]

I guess just becos you don't get attacked doesn't mean people can't see you, or they don't think you are an attractive target.

One way to find out is to carry unvaulted gold :)
Thats probably the case :o I am a turtle and only build defense lol

[War Eagle]

Very helpful..
After leveling up like crazy the past two events... I'm going to slow it down and stay around 52-ish for a while... before I have to start swimming with the sharks...

[Timbathia]

Very helpful..
After leveling up like crazy the past two events... I'm going to slow it down and stay around 52-ish for a while... before I have to start swimming with the sharks...

You have a bit of a buffer still. I have just past level 60, and I only see people at my level and rarely get atttacked by anyone substantial (my numbers arent great as unlike my approach in CC, in KA I am trying to complete all the quests rather than play pvp).

[figozz]

I'm at level 75 and I get attacked about 3-4 times a day by players level 100+. I have 30k defence if that helps work out where whale territory begins..

I am level 81. I barely get attacked unless I have a reasonable amount of cash in the bank (say 30k +)

It's always vaulted though so I don't lose any. Although someone did raid one of my lenders yesterday or the day before because it was ready to collect at an unusual time.

[Tiki]

Forgive me for my lack of understanding, but what is this all about? What is a whale, and what impact does it have on my game?

[CounterSniper]

Forgive me for my lack of understanding, but what is this all about? What is a whale, and what impact does it have on my game?

Whales or Sharks are hi stat players generally found at higher levels or whale/shark territory.

Im at lvl 98 and can presently see down to lvl 70 w/ 10-max allies and up to lvl 120 with 10-max allies.

I am definitely in shark infested waters. Personally i dont recomend going past 60 for anyone who isnt ready but 70 may be ok by time a lot of players get there cuz as the shark pool fills the range will shrink and this will continue to change as time advances. Eventually 80, 90, 100+ will be the demarcation line. That has always been the case in CC and MW and has been the case so far in KA.

[figozz]

Also, always make a point of making an ally out of anyone that is considerably stronger than you!

[Tiki]

Okay, still missing something. Is the point of the game not to strive to be a high stat player and you raid/attack those weaker then you?

[Fodder]

Does anyone know where the whale territory begins now? I assume it has gone up due to the current event.

[lucita]

I believe Funzio has changed the algorithm for battle list compilation. It was 72-74 as of yesterday but today I see a very much different formation that goes only as low as 80. Just an observation. Don't forget anything, in terms of player composition and any of those black box algorithms, can change anytime.

[Timbathia]

Not sure where whale territory officially starts, but there does appear to be a transition in the early to mid 60s. I have a 10K defense with about 100 allies. Was at level 62 at the start of the event and had been carrying large amounts of unvaulted gold while saving for my level 5 breeding den (about 50K unvaulted). No one attacked me for days. I have now levelled up to 64, and gettting attacked several times a day despite no gold on hand. While these people are still at the same level as me (give or take 1), they have hundreds more allies (whereas on level 62 it seemed those with much higher ally counts couldnt see me).

[lucita]

60s is definitely out of the whale territory

[Freekizh]

I believe Funzio has changed the algorithm for battle list compilation. It was 72-74 as of yesterday but today I see a very much different formation that goes only as low as 80. Just an observation. Don't forget anything, in terms of player composition and any of those black box algorithms, can change anytime.

I dunno..I was attacked by 100+ level player yesterday. However pretty quiet so far.

[Hunterhan37]

good news!

[Fodder]

Thanks guys. CounterSniper - Did you notice a change along the lines of what lucita mentioned?

[asdfg12345]

I been attacked by people who are about 10 levels higher although they are weaker than me though

[CounterSniper]

Thanks guys. CounterSniper - Did you notice a change along the lines of what lucita mentioned?

Yes, I can only see down to lvl 80 (79 occasionally) now, was lvl 73 before the update.

[Hapl0]

Ok, many will be safe for a while until the next event and lvlup.

[Nick-Clark1]

I've noticed that I'm not being attacked by the aggressive sharks anymore too. I'm at 126 allies and it was not an uncommon occurrence to get obliterated by people with 300+ allies a week ago. This seems to have stopped altogether now which is good, I actually have a reasonable chance of building my second Manor now :o

[Timbathia]

I've noticed that I'm not being attacked by the aggressive sharks anymore too. I'm at 126 allies and it was not an uncommon occurrence to get obliterated by people with 300+ allies a week ago. This seems to have stopped altogether now which is good, I actually have a reasonable chance of building my second Manor now :o

Thats cause they are too busy swiping their parents credit card to buy more gems so they can get into the top 50 of the event.

[Freekizh]

Thats cause they are too busy swiping their parents credit card to buy more gems so they can get into the top 50 of the event.

This is weird as I have been busy collecting boxes From PvP to see if it's feasible to make a run for top 50 - you need a frigging lot of boxes dude!

Maybe my theory is good - a lot of people think top 50 is too hard, and they don't bother to make a run and cruise on free play instead with PVE only?

[Nick-Clark1]

Thats cause they are too busy swiping their parents credit card to buy more gems so they can get into the top 50 of the event.

Ha yes probably! Judging by the top 50 leaders there is a lot of spending going on. How did the leader get 67 Vials?! Assuming he's opening with a magic key every time, you'd still need to burn through A LOT of boxes. Shows how valuable the Guardian Elemental is to some.

[Hunterhan37]

The leader also spent some gems to reset the timer.

[CounterSniper]

The leader also spent some gems to reset the timer.

You got that right. Lots and lots of resets.

[Freekizh]

You got that right. Lots and lots of resets.

I just can't see anyone being competitive without spending at least $500. I keep on doing the maths, and I think this is the absolute minimum.

[CounterSniper]

I just can't see anyone being competitive without spending at least $500. I keep on doing the maths, and I think this is the absolute minimum.

I agree, its likely the low end as you say. :cool:

[Nick-Clark1]

I'd suspect that they would be resetting their energy as soon as its depleted too.

[War Eagle]

Can anyone update us on when whale territory now begins? It seems with all the back to back events... everyone is probably leveling at a quicker rate... so I imagine the starting point for whale territory is probably going up pretty quickly... My plan is to keep questing and leveling... but at a slow enough pace to avoid entering whale territory.

[MaverickMunkey]

Can anyone update us on when whale territory now begins? It seems with all the back to back events... everyone is probably leveling at a quicker rate... so I imagine the starting point for whale territory is probably going up pretty quickly... My plan is to keep questing and leveling... but at a slow enough pace to avoid entering whale territory.

I'm now at level 80 and I am not seeing anyone really with impressive stats and am not being attacked much (touch wood, not tempting fate etc!!! :D)

I am not positive but maybe because the casulty rate seems to be so screwy, unless you have a very high stat army or a significant number of gem units, PvP is not worth it.

For example, the other day, out of curiosity and sheer bloody mindedness, I made 10 attacks against players with def stats less than half of my attack stats and still lost units totalling 20k gold - so back to pve and base building for me!

[War Eagle]

Yeah I'm at lvl 67 with 33k/33k A/D... but I don't PVP unless I think someone may have a lot of unvaulted cash (I usually don't hit unless their stat page shows 200k+ and even then sometimes it's all vaulted).. or if their defense is severely low.. like under 7k. Otherwise it's not worth me losing a 3600 coin flaming catapult.. since those make up most of my attack army.
So I'm hoping I can still level thru the 70s and not come under attack from higher ups.

[MaverickMunkey]

Yeah I'm at lvl 67 with 33k/33k A/D... but I don't PVP unless I think someone may have a lot of unvaulted cash (I usually don't hit unless their stat page shows 200k+ and even then sometimes it's all vaulted).. or if their defense is severely low.. like under 7k. Otherwise it's not worth me losing a 3600 coin flaming catapult.. since those make up most of my attack army.
So I'm hoping I can still level thru the 70s and not come under attack from higher ups.

You will be fine with those stats - I am 29k a/31k d with 245 allies and get attacked maybe once a day and haven't lost in 2 weeks and survived the 70's with no problems even though I kept a balance of about 200k in my vault.

[marebear]

So my question is. If you keep a low ally count, will you be in with people in your ally count bracket or because there are less players(?) everyone is grouped together and you are only giving yourself a disadvantage?

[Timbathia]

So my question is. If you keep a low ally count, will you be in with people in your ally count bracket or because there are less players(?) everyone is grouped together and you are only giving yourself a disadvantage?

It is a good question. I keep about 155 because the a/ d increase for adding more is only about 50 per person right now. I can see up to 200 at my level, but have no idea who can see me. Maybe I am better off with more.

[GetItOn]

So my question is. If you keep a low ally count, will you be in with people in your ally count bracket or because there are less players(?) everyone is grouped together and you are only giving yourself a disadvantage?

That's what I've done mostly too.. However now at Lvl 67 even with 151 allies I'm seeing ppl on my Battle List top 280+ allies.. So that's almost double mine. I'm gonna need to add more soon.

[War Eagle]

For me... I'm level 67 and max ally (335)... and while I don't see a big level range (typically just 66 & 67)... I see allow counts as low at 160.

[Talkazar]

My experience was that as I increased my ally count, I could see down to slightly below half (maybe 40% of) my ally count at the time. That has really only broken down when I got over 450 allies and even then a) I can see down to about 300 with 480 and b) I'm not sure if that's simply because it has so many people with 500 allies to show me.

Also, the 40% rule came in for me at allies = 2x my level, below that I could see down to 1 (well, 5 but you get the picture). That said, some posts I saw later suggest that limit is now lower (at least for lower levels).

[Futon]

I'm lvl 88 with an ally count of 191. I tend to see people +/- 1 level with 50-400 allies. I only attack the low ally players to gain honor without losing many units. I have 33000 defense (1 high priest for every unit i'm allowed) and i've yet to be attacked by a "whale" and i haven't lost a defense or attack in over a month. I don't keep unvaulted gold because i don't have a reason not to spend it and my limit is maxed, so either whales are very picky or i'm still waiting.

[marebear]

These answers are all very helpful. Thank you!!

[Timbathia]

It is a good question. I keep about 155 because the a/ d increase for adding more is only about 50 per person right now. I can see up to 200 at my level, but have no idea who can see me. Maybe I am better off with more.

I refreshed my rival list about ten times and I can actually see from 100 to 250.

[BadNews]

I'm level 117 with 500 allies. I can see from level 91 to 200 the Lowest alliance number is 332.

[MaverickMunkey]

I am lvl 80 with 245 allies and can see from levels 78-81 with allies from 100 - 400.