Loot gone wrong?

[Magra 738 587 125]

Something very weird has happened to loot from creeps. Desert Bandits in the Temple of Abaad used to give me Desert Blades, Canopic Robes, Wind Worn Leather and an occasional Desert Brigandine. Today I've been getting Troll Battle Armor, Crude Leather and other stuff that comes from around Morogdar's place. Similarly, the beetle in the Vault of Set is giving stuff like the Plague Caster which I think used to come from about Eagle's Peak, and a Reaper Sword (9/3) that seems to be new. Is it just me, or are others having similar weird experiences?

[Skoty422]

I'm having issues too. I killed a few monsters from shipwreck map and they gave me crappy weapons 11/9 I say crappy because it took me 4-5 hits to kill it at around 30 exp each hit. Plus it took about 220 energy to kill one monster. That was horrible. So I went to murky wallows to see what that would give. Gave me nothing. A basalisk skull which is a 0/0 drop. I killed 37 different monsters there!!!!! Something is definately up. I don't want to even waste my exp points on that. Then I'll be leveling up with 5 drops the whole level? I don't think so. That's no good!!

[Futon]

I think they altered it on purpose so people would level further. I can't be certain though. I was farming 24-25 defense armors off the same monsters for about a week, now they drop 12 defense armors.

[The_Red]

I think they altered it on purpose so people would level further. I can't be certain though. I was farming 24-25 defense armors off the same monsters for about a week, now they drop 12 defense armors.

I haven't actually seen a 25 weapon or armor since the update.... not good for people just starting out.

[d_nickels]

Same here. The loot seems new today with about half the stats of the old loot for the same map. Supper crappy update if this was on purpose and permanent.

[Joe Brown1]

Same here - though why would they nerf one of the last three maps so badly (i.e Shipwreck Cove)? You gotta be able to get the 25 weapon or armor at some point. Makes no sense. I'm hoping Skoty will hear something back from his report to cust service.

[The_Red]

Same here - though why would they nerf one of the last three maps so badly (i.e Shipwreck Cove)? You gotta be able to get the 25 weapon or armor at some point. Makes no sense. I'm hoping Skoty will hear something back from his report to cust service.

Ive already completed 2-3 quests on that map and the loot sucks. Working currently on one of the main monster (Ocean Giant) of that quest, so we'll see what it drops. I don't really farm, so it isn't a big deal, but I can't imagine not having the 25/15 armor and weapons trying to complete the quests. Would have taken 2x as long.


Do like the Kraken's eye @ 16k gold... gonna take forever and a day to kill that one.

[John Snow]

I think they may have tried to shift the game balance with the recent changes if the PvE drops have gotten worse. There's a bunch of new weapons and armor that are now available to buy, with much stronger attack and defense than was previously available. Maybe they're trying to give the camping strategy a boost.

[ShawnBB]

OK, guys. So funzio finally made some move! :(
LoL, I knew this day is coming, but didn't expect that soon.
Obviously, some tricky looters start torturing gem buyers simply by their flooded inventory,lol.

I actually predicted some lurking game problems at the first releasing week of KA. Now it starts exposing so that funzio have to fix.
The nerf for loot is thoretically necessary, some monster drop equips that are even stronger than the top item in shop and drop 50% of the time is totally ruining the game balance.
Like m4a1 incident, when PvE starts dominating, something got to happen.

My guess for funzio's next update might be, increase cash unit price or increase honor unit and weapon power.

[chiu]

Wow.. they just ruined this game imo. The pve and loot drops were what set this game apart from crime city and modern war, and made this game actually playable and fun. but hey, what can we do.. funzio, like any other business, only cares about those who pay for their paychecks (gem users). as for the rest of us, funzio could give a [explicative].. they will keep squeezing what is left of our consumer surplus until there is nothing left. they just love watching us struggle and squirm

[Skoty422]

Well it will be a few days before I hear back. It always is. But they always respond. They may not tell me jack. But I will definately let everyone know. Have any of you seen a 17/27 armor? I keep hearing y'all talk about 15/25. I think this move of dropping the stats of loot drops definately makes the game different. It wouldn't be so bad if it was like that when we started. But time will tell.Maybe they will double the exp points before leveling up. That would be ok to me. I could play longer. Whats up with this ancient magician that has a 12k kill payout? Prolly got to hit it with 500 hp and 1200 energy. Lol.

[The_Red]

Wow.. they just ruined this game imo. The pve and loot drops were what set this game apart from crime city and modern war, and made this game actually playable and fun. but hey, what can we do.. funzio, like any other business, only cares about those who pay for their paychecks (gem users). as for the rest of us, funzio could give a sht.. they will keep squeezing what is left of our consumer surplus until there is nothing left. they just love watching us struggle and squirm

Not to burst your bubble, but most companies build things to make money. whining about a game you got for free seems a little ridiculous. thinking that "the man" is somehow putting his thumb down on you through your participation in this game is a little far fetched.

Frankly, Im not really surprised they toned things down a bit - 15/25 armor and 25/15 weapons that were roughly 2x what you could buy in the store for 15k seemed a little odd to me, which is why I never purchased anything more than 100 dollar rusty swords. I'm guessing that will now change.

[chiu]

which is why i said but hey what can we do................................................ .

[Futon]

Very lame indeed. Decided to test the loot drops on the last map Dwarven Mines.... emptied 2 energy bars and got a Shadow Garb 10/14 armor , i've had another one from sometime long ago. This system is going to be pretty boring, no reason to ever farm now... or level for that matter. Perma camp at my current level i guess.

[asdfg12345]

I just got the 17/27 and 15/25 in a row. I think crappy items are just included in the drop list unlike before. Its no longer guaranteed that you get good item every drop. Honestly, this makes more sense than before anyway. The items were way too strong.

[Futon]

I just got the 17/27 and 15/25 in a row. I think crappy items are just included in the drop list unlike before. Its no longer guaranteed that you get good item every drop. Honestly, this makes more sense than before anyway. The items were way too strong.

Well that's reassuring and does make more sense. And stronger items now... yay.

[Bea]

So frustrating, last night after several poorer drops in Jungle of Torments, a Tormented Guardian appeared, was duly slew, and the loot was a new Hero weapon, can't remember what it was called but the stats were 27/16 I think and it was shown on my profile as Hero weapon in use (mage). Now after the update, the new weapon is gone and my previous weapon 25/13 is back. Where did my new toy go?

[Bea]

Now it's back! Demon Codex 26/17.

[CounterSniper]

Now it's back! Demon Codex 26/17.

Thats good, I had a new armor drop but it didnt show up in my inventory when i went to check its stats but it showed up later.

Those kinds of things do give you a moment of pause dont they? lol.

[Bea]

For a minute there I thought I'd dreamt the new weapon, lol got me questioning my sanity/sobriety!

[Skoty422]

For a minute there I thought I'd dreamt the new weapon, lol got me questioning my sanity/sobriety!

Hehe. That's funny.

[asdfg12345]

Just saw person with 30/20 weapon called Kraken's eye.

[Skoty422]

I want it!!!!! The update fixed the bugs for the loot drops. Don't forget to update!!

[The_Red]

Just saw person with 30/20 weapon called Kraken's eye.

There's a monster called the Kracken and the Kracken's eye on the Shipwreck Cove. Required: 14000 dollar Mischief Leather. 99 attack experience per attack. 138 energy per attack. gives you 15898 gold. Im assuming it must dump that weapon as well. Guess that's the next monster Im killing. ;)

[chiu]

There's a monster called the Kracken and the Kracken's eye on the Shipwreck Cove. Required: 14000 dollar Mischief Leather. 99 attack experience per attack. 138 energy per attack. gives you 15898 gold. Im assuming it must dump that weapon as well. Guess that's the next monster Im killing. ;)

Dam 99 xp per hit sounds horrid =x anyways I take back what I said on the first pg.. I overreacted to what I read before I even tested it in game. True the loot drops before were a little op but that's what I loved about it! Balanced = boring but I guess it gives the ppl who have absolutely no idea what theyre doing a chance

[The_Red]

Dam 99 xp per hit sounds horrid =x anyways I take back what I said on the first pg.. I overreacted to what I read before I even tested it in game. True the loot drops before were a little op but that's what I loved about it! Balanced = boring but I guess it gives the ppl who have absolutely no idea what theyre doing a chance

Yup. Probably going to be a 10 hit monster.

[Magra 738 587 125]

The update didn't fix any bugs for me. I'm still getting crap items wherever I go. I spent 45000 gold and took a serious 1260 XP penalty (yes, had to hit it 12 times) to kill the Bone Lord in the Dwarven Mine. What did I get? A Bog Reaper. I should have been able to get that from some minor creep in Blisterfoot Bog. Oh, and I'm a mage, so I can't even use it.

As for the problem of the loot being better than the stuff in the store, that's easily fixed by putting better stuff in the store - as there is in the Facebook version of the game. I would happily pay serious gold for a serious weapon (didn't manage to get one when it was still easy because of the map crashing all the time; now that's fixed, but the good weapons are gone).

It's completely messed up and just kind of silly. I mean, if you kill a Desert Bandit and get a Desert Brigandine or Desert Blades, there seems to be some logic to that. If you kill a troll and get Troll Battle Armor, that sort of makes sense. But if you get Troll Battle Armor from the desert bandit, that just seems rather senseless and stupid. Wouldn't it have been better to adjust the drop rates rather than change the actual drop items?

OK, nuff whinging. I have to assume that the game authors WANT us to play, to enjoy playing, and thus to be tempted to spend our hard-earned RL dollars to improve our chances in the game. This move has NOT made the game more enjoyable.

[asdfg12345]

Just saw person with zealot's blade. It's 31/17 for warrior

[Futon]

Must be nice, i haven't seen anything decent since the patch. Emptied several bars into the last map available. Constant shadow garbs...seriously? They should at least release patch notes when they do things like this.

[Magra 738 587 125]

Nor have I. And a quick warning: after reading the posts above, I went to the Jungle of Torments, killed the vine to get the Tormented Guardian, paid the 15000 gold, gained a mass of unwanted XP and got ... Evil Eye Robes. Which I had previously got without effort or expense in Splinterbone.

[Altz]

I somehow got runic ****** spellbook. 32/22. No wonder i was doing 115 max to pve.

[Freekizh]

I somehow got runic ****** spellbook. 32/22. No wonder i was doing 115 max to pve.

Oh thats a very nice weapon - mage I presume? Where did you get that?

[MSH]

Funsio's mOney squeezing/gem playing orientation is expected to increase in a future. About a month ago Funzio was sold to GREE, a Japanese mobile gaming giant for some USD 210 mln. Before the sale, revenue potential and playing customers "growth potential" we're the main attributes to watch. Now - they need to show real profit growth and FAST, as GREE is in a bit of a pickle in Japan right now and, more importantly, because the Japanese/Asian players are much more used to pay for in game items/premium features, than their counterparts in the West. More gimmicks like the rune boxes and more nearing, like lower quality loot are expected.
That basically ruined the game for me - I don't pay real world money for an iPad/iPhone game as a matter of principle. Still, with aggressive strategy, increasing quality loot (which IS indestructible, of course) lots of h based cannons and maximum allies and skill points I was able to thrive for a while - lvl.81, 7k+ wins vs. .5k losses, tons of slain monsters around 25k A/D, etc. All in some 6 weeks. Of course, waiting weeks to upgrade the vault, days to build/advance something new was a drag, but I new that ultimately my arsenal/strength would be competitive and grow with increasing quality loot I get from the new maps...Now most of I get consists of sub par weapons/armor I was getting some 50 levels before and of hundreds and hundreds rather useless rune boxes...Sad...Of well - it was a good run :) Besides, perhaps ultimately FunzioGREE realize that there are many ways to maximize revenues besides gem/cash playing farming and decide to expand/satisfy their overall customers base, including free players ;)

[Freekizh]

MSH I think Funzio had to change something because of all the huge amounts of loot that people were getting. Eventually if you level enough and meet these monsters .. you will stop playing after being beat up all day like in CC and MW. As I approach whale waters, I am a bit apprehensive myself as my stats are half of what some these monsters have.

Events are a good idea for free and gem players alike, and you dont need to participate.

I am most interested in Funzio and Gree, though I knew Gree Inc shareprice was tanking, I thought they looked like an attractive business compared to Zynga and FB.

[MSH]

Freekizh, I never played CC, or MW and defer to your superior experience there. I saw some "monsters" on my KA battle list, but most players so far are manageable. Besides, I try to keep my cash inventories low (definitely within the vault limit) for most of the time and make sure that all my high value buildings, such as silo are emptied on time - what harm could they do? In fact, I myself attack/ride not so much for loot, although some gold is always welcome, but for h points - good collection of cannons could make one quite competitive even without the "undestRuctibles" IMHO...

As to Funzio/GREE shares I just don't know - mobile gambling is not my field of expertise - have just stumbled upon KA by accident and got hooked :)

[Njwmrb]

Freekizh, I never played CC, or MW and defer to your superior experience there. I saw some "monsters" on my KA battle list, but most players so far are manageable. Besides, I try to keep my cash inventories low (definitely within the vault limit) for most of the time and make sure that all my high value buildings, such as silo are emptied on time - what harm could they do? In fact, I myself attack/ride not so much for loot, although some gold is always welcome, but for h points - good collection of cannons could make one quite competitive even without the "undestRuctibles" IMHO...

As to Funzio/GREE shares I just don't know - mobile gambling is not my field of expertise - have just stumbled upon KA by accident and got hooked :)

I don't know much about investments but I would like to get involved in stocks when I'm older and have the ability to do so. So this is just my thoughts based on limited knowledge; I imagine this companys worth cannot rise much more without some creativity? I did not play CC but KA is MW packaged differently and with a few minor changes. I'm assuming their business plan is to just keep pumping out these games until its run into the ground and no one is interested any longer which can't take too long. Maybe a year? I know I won't be playing the next game that comes out if it's the same thing. I just started playing KA because I wanted start when the game came out as I started a couple of months late in MW.

Please keep your composure here Freekizh

I'll check for a response at half time. CELTICS@@@

[MSH]

Events are a good idea for free and gem players alike, and you dont need to participate.
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Please don't get me wrong - events are fun. It is just I seem to get mostly boxes, rather than quality loot these days...Don't think it is a coincidence, as my stat is pretty extensive - thousands of PvEs. Do hope that after the event is over the regular loot drop frequency and loot quality growth pattern would return...Oh well - we'll see soon enough, I guess.

[asdfg12345]

The number of rune boxes I get from monsters definitely increased while the chance of them actually opening decreased. Might just be my bad luck but seems iffy and looks like I am been pushed into paying for the gem open inorder to get the hydra.

[Freekizh]

I don't know much about investments but I would like to get involved in stocks when I'm older and have the ability to do so. So this is just my thoughts based on limited knowledge; I imagine this companys worth cannot rise much more without some creativity? I did not play CC but KA is MW packaged differently and with a few minor changes. I'm assuming their business plan is to just keep pumping out these games until its run into the ground and no one is interested any longer which can't take too long. Maybe a year? I know I won't be playing the next game that comes out if it's the same thing. I just started playing KA because I wanted start when the game came out as I started a couple of months late in MW.

Please keep your composure here Freekizh

I'll check for a response at half time. CELTICS@@@

Well a reasonable question deserves a reasonable non hysterical response from me for once.

Let me say KA is probably Funzio's highest revenue product grossing around $5MM in April (KA release date, assuming this is mostly KA revenues), while Funzio's revenues were $12MM in Jan-Mar. So KA is very important. So while Funzio has many downloads, a lot of its customers are probably repeat from CC and MW, so if there are 20MM downloads, maybe 7-10MM maybe are unique users. Gree has 234MM registered users worldwide, a market cap of 307B Yen (USD3.8B) - so Funzio is a small part of a large conglomerate business, but good growth potential, with many expectations to capture market share in a high growth industry.

An online games business is a bit like a casino business which relies on small players ("pokkie" machine mom & pops) to survive and "whales" to do well, with a stronger networking social element but fundamentally similar psychology. Funzio's KA had the advantage of having a large existing customer base from CC and MW who were familiar with the style of the game and a good customer service center (very important and a large operating expense item).

As you put it rightly, Funzio's biggest problem is to maintain recurring revenues from players who get bored after building their gem army or lose interest. So they introduce new products like KA to diversify its user base (KA is fantasy, CC is street gangster, and MW is modern military), and events and tournaments to keep up interest.The amounts are pretty small compared to building a huge gem army,but if the customer base is loyal, users increase, then revenues from these events should be steady and grow, i.e., you monetize your user base more efficiently. More importantly, the product can pass through price increases successfully (which we have seen) and the business is also pretty easy to understand, whereas FB is not. Gree is a large professional business, so Funzio will become more professional overtime but its management team looks pretty experienced. However Gree does not rely on Funzio for any significant income, so the Funzio story will take awhile to unfold, but since its now part of a public company, you will have the pleasure of reading very strange japanese quarterly reports :)

[Njwmrb]

FB = Facebook?

[Freekizh]

FB = Facebook?

Yes. You can buy japanese stocks in e-trade, but you have to buy japanese YEN first.

[Futon]

Free to play, pay to win.