I don't get out of bed for less than 8R

[Burn]

On a recent thread about the Economy of Respect...

Click click.. http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?29280-Average-Midas-Stats-2R-and-the-Economy-of-R

...where a basic calculation showed the Midas provides an average Respect payout per Attack of 7.25R, I now don't Rob any building that pays out less than that in Respect.

Why?

Stamina is a resource to be spent wisely, and Respect is also worth money - again same thread as referenced above - we estimated the value of a single Respect point as being anything between $15K and $56K (dependent on what you spend the Respect on, and what the likely 'game-money' cost would be for something of comparable stats).

On that basis, 8R is worth anything between $100K (R x $15K) and $448K (R x $56K).

So, with that in mind, robbing buildings for cash alone, unless you are high level and robbing serious riches, is pointless in comparison.

With me so far?

So if I can average 7.25R for an Attack, for a Rob to be worth more, and not be a waste of stamina, I need to Rob buildings that return more than 7.25R - there you have my reason for no longer robbing ANY building that returns less than 8R.


And here is a list of the ONLY buildings in the game I now consider worth using up my stamina to Rob...

Warehouse - 8R (16 exp)
Clothing Store - 11R (11 exp)
Meat Factory - 11R (20 exp)
Loft - 14R (4 exp)
French Restaurant - 11R (10 exp)
Condos - 11R (10 exp)
Hotel - 11R (12 exp)
Office Building - 14R (15 exp)
Nightclub - 14R (17 exp)
Palm Hotel - 14R (9 exp)
Casino - 14R (50 exp)

If I visit someones hood and they haven't got any of those buildings available for me, well I beat them up for wasting my time :D


P.S. I don't care about Exp ratio, because I don't mind leveling (obviously I would rather rob a Loft than a Meat Factory, but I'll take either), but... if you are a camper/crawler, and you are only ever going to Rob Level 7 LM's, then you have completely wasted your time reading this thread. Sorry about that :p

[Burn]

Not got a Midas? Well maybe you should consider abandoning Robs on any building below 5R?

In which case, you can add the following buildings to the above list...


Diner - 5R (11 exp)
Empire Theater - 5R (5 exp)
Jazz Club - 7R (7 exp)
Italian Restaurant - 5R (5 exp)
Chinese Restaurant - 5R (4 exp)
Collection Agency - 5R (2 exp)
Shoe Store - 5R (4 exp)
Movie Theater - 5R (11 exp)
Gaming Parlor - 6R (6 exp)
Brownstone - 5R (7 exp)
Wedding Chapel - 5R (5 exp)
Russian Restaurant - 5R (4 exp)
Gentleman's Club - 5R (7 exp)

P.S. Of course I'd always rob a Gents Club at only 5R - it is worth it purely for the "WTF that muthachuffa robbed my GC!!" factor :)

[Maniaxe]

Burn out of curiosity have you retested your average respect number of 7.28 since last week? I meant to do so myself but must have become side tracked at some point. Just curious about how static that number is. For example if you found a average number daily over a set period of test time then averaged those sets of numbers you would have a more precise average RP/fight number. I am going to keep track of mine for a test number with out Midas or Sig.

With that in mind I think what you have said is dead on, but only for those with both the Sig and Midas. With out having a average non event item number I can't say for sure, but I would think there would be a few more lower RP output buildings that would be the equivalent of a fight. I play in a similar fashion and only rob if I know the building will pay good RP.


So, with that in mind, robbing buildings for cash alone, unless you are high level and robbing serious riches, is pointless in comparison.
YES!!! When it comes to offense, RP is worth way more than cash especially at the lower lvls (-115).
I don't particularly care about gaining exp and leveling, in fact I am trying to level faster to get to a higher level. But when it comes to the exp ratio it always bothers me when I get 2:1 exp/RP. I feel like I just got ripped off lol. I still avoid the Meat Factory and Warehouse for that reason. As long as the ratio is close to 1:1 or more and pays decent RP I am fine with hitting it.

[Burn]

@Maniaxe I've done no further testing beyond the 50 sample I did initially. I'm lazy. Someone else will do it, hopefully on the strength of this thread, then I can evaluate again based on their findings ;)

I hear what you are saying re Warehouse and Meat Factory, I was similar until recently, then I considered that even on Attacks I can sometimes get only 2R for as much as 18 Exp, so figured WTF, Rob them too - at very least it is a constant and I'm not going in blind, and the Respect payout is worth it :)

[msjo]

I think I'm going to adopt this strategy. I can't bring myself to camp or worry about leveling up, but focusing on maximizing respect payouts makes sense. I should track the respect I get from fights to see where the average is at my level (42). Do you know if the payout is changed by the strength or level of the person you attack (i.e., do I get more respect if I target higher level opponents)?

[Burn]

There is variance based on the level of the buildings you rob Yes, but I do not believe the level of the player makes any difference, only the building.

FYI, I took the Respect payouts in posts above from the game data that allhaildiscordia posted a while back.

[Max Power]

The value of respect is not a fixed number. A better yet almost inmpossible equation would be how much respect actually adds to your stats. I am at the point where respect items are of a far diminished value from where they used to be, based on what the items bought with them actually adds to my stats totals.

Since this is constantly variable, and deminishes based on your mobs needs over time, I am not sure how you can assign a fixed value to respect points.

[Burn]

@Max The fixed value is purely based on comparison with items of similar stats that can be purchased with 'in-game money'.

For sure it doesn't really consider where your own personal inventory and stats are at - but I can see that everything, R points, and in-game money, is less and less valuable in late game when it becomes increasingly difficult to increase your stats with anything that isn't bought with Gold.

[Dravak]

Burn there is a difference btween your strategy and what maniax axe , or those who are already in the HL meatgrinder.

For you it is easier to go max respect and max xp (pvp, pve) you are in the top 5% of your bracket , infact in the top 5 of the people I encountered , keeping in mind can only see +2 -2 .

Maniaxaxe , don't know what your stats are , but you need to take that approach xp-rp conversion based on your bracket positioning . if leveling too fast , puts you in lower then average situation , then the xp-rp conversion comes into play , if you are in the top 20% of the bracket or in the HL meatgrinder , then it is best to burn max XP ...
since allows you to catch up with RP .

Anyway that is my viewpoints of things , rp is sadly for a none gold user the only value , aside from pve top end farming . a DD and Armoured police car equels a chopper cost , and saves you money for the jet . at cost of xp .

[Burn]

Dravak, I didn't realise we'd met in-game. Did I hit you, or did you hit me? ;)

[Maniaxe]

Ok so I just knocked out 72 fights with out Midas or Sig and have a whopping average of 3.4! That number does not include the two TL goals I just completed as well. :cool:

Burn I think mjso was asking about getting more RP per a fight the higher level each player is in a fight? as well as does one get more RP for being closer to equally matched? I previously always understood it to be completely random, but recently since focusing on PvP goals I have noticed differences in RP output as well as Loot output from different players. Some tend to drop more PvP loot than others and some give a better XP/RP ratio ie. closer to 3:2 as opposed to 16:1.

I had not thought of the poor ratio buildings in that manner. Your right it is a constant RP number and since you could do worse for your RP in an attack, that warehouse is a better shot. More possible exp but who care about exp right!:D

[Dravak]

No like same story with CS I don't hit people I respect :p , have always been in the top 10 of the brackets ;)
Just event and gold usage pushed me to the top 5 ...

You guys probaly avoid me lol , aside from Naeem lmao , but think he had enough of me ;)

[Burn]

Aaaah my friend Naeem. He just fell off my News, I'll have to leave him some bait :D

I enjoyed my fight with him, I even invited him to feed on my buildings when I was resynching.

mjso, if as Maniaxe has said, I answered you question incorrectly, sorry. I don't know the answer to question about higher stat players paying more RP, I don't analyse things to that degree - again, I'm lazy :)

[Maniaxe]

Dravak, Having leveled fast initially I know exactly what you mean. I camped/crawled for a bit and have been strong in my bracket for awhile. There are stronger players from gold, but for the most part in the last ten levels I dish out most of the beatings.

They way I see it is after lvl 105 there is the best farming (UWV/ECB/later bosses). To fastest way to get to that level is through PvP. IMO PvP gives more RP due to the fact I am doing lower level TL goals. At TL 94 I am still only needing to win 42 fights for a bonus 500RP. That adds up quickly and is almost like a sweet spot for this play strategy.

Seeing that I am near the top of my bracket and still have 30K unused RPs shows that this play style works great at certain points in the game. Lower level before constant TL, no this is not for you. After you hit lvl 105 and start farming, stop the PvP and farm to boost stats and crawl until you hit the meatgrinder ( I like that one btw Dravak as I am a Butcher) Once you hit that high level pool then who cares xp really doesn't matter at that point. Its how you play up until you hit the HLs that really matters.

Sorry to go a bit OT there Burn, its Sunday, I am being lazy, and have had to much coffee this morning.:D

[Burn]

Sorry to go a bit OT there Burn, its Sunday, I am being lazy, and have had to much coffee this morning.:D

Don't worry about me at all... 1. You said nothing wrong 2. I've got very thick skin anyway :)

[msjo]

Burn I think mjso was asking about getting more RP per a fight the higher level each player is in a fight? as well as does one get more RP for being closer to equally matched? I previously always understood it to be completely random, but recently since focusing on PvP goals I have noticed differences in RP output as well as Loot output from different players. Some tend to drop more PvP loot than others and some give a better XP/RP ratio ie. closer to 3:2 as opposed to 16:1.

I had not thought of the poor ratio buildings in that manner. Your right it is a constant RP number and since you could do worse for your RP in an attack, that warehouse is a better shot. More possible exp but who care about exp right!:D

Yes. I've noticed anecdotally that certain people seem to pay out higher respect and better loot, but I haven't tracked it well enough to be able to tell if it is actually random or if there is some difference that is really there. I haven't seen it discussed anywhere on the forums, but it seems like a lot of the forum analysis is devoted to camping and economics rather than more vigorous pvp.

Over the next few days I'm going to keep track more carefully to see if there is any discernible pattern, but I was just wondering if others had already looked into this.

[mnju_03]

Burn... I always leave a thread smarter if you're the OP...

But seriously, I don't get out of bed even, I still play just fine. :-p

[kaz]

Burn, if I remember correctly you said before that you have the sig. I've got only the Midas Gun (no Sig). This strategy will work for me as well?

I was wondering after TL goals are done, what’s the best way to farm respect. Thanks for this thread.

[wupuck]

I rob 2:1 exp/rp buildings only. My understanding is once u get to level 93, the big boys all roll w 40k-50k attack And I only have 22k d w 370 mafia.

[kaz]

I rob 2:1 exp/rp buildings only. My understanding is once u get to level 93, the big boys all roll w 40k-50k attack And I only have 22k d w 370 mafia.
level 93? no way. More like level 142+

[Steve0]

More like a hand full of people I have seen in the 100-112 have 40k + more are in the 20-30 range most are 9-20K range.

[Burn]

I love that this thread has got a 1 Star rating - haters hating :D Some strange people on here for sure.

[TRAZ]

Thanks for the list Burn. Copied to a text file for easy reference. :) Time to go hunting.

[murf]

level 93? no way. More like level 142+

Now it's even higher, I can't see that low anymore...I'm L193 and can only see down to L154 now (I think)