Funzio's Beta Testing System

[dudeman]

This is not an issue with any specific player/beta tester, but rather an issue with how the system is currently being run. I would submit a ticket but for some reason Customer Support has been completely unresponsive lately.

Note: I am NOT a beta tester and never have been, although I was invited once.

With whatever it is that's going on in Beta right now, maybe something to do with scratchers or rare mobsters (I have no idea), there is something that has leaked into the production version and it is causing some players to experience an increase in stats to the tune of tens-of-thousands. Many of these players are non-gold players who have NEVER been successful against me. [Edit: One of these players just increased their attack score by over 10k in a very short time - minutes, hours at most - and still has no gold items in their inventory.]

Non-gold players should not outright overpower someone who has paid for gold.

I'm not complaining about losing a few fights. I'm taking an issue with the fact that the game is broken and players who have paid nothing are seeing a far greater benefit than players who have invested hundreds of real dollars.

Funzio, this is not right and is disrespectful to the players who pay your salaries. I think this issue needs immediate attention, and if that requires server maintenance then shut it down. There is a serious issue here and ignorance will not fix it.

[mnju_03]

Try thousands....

[deuces]

+1 dudeman.

I sent in a ticket last night because one of their beta testers had grown so much overnight he became strong enough for me to waste multiple explosives on while robbing him. I've robbed him multiple times in the past, and my attack was stronger than his defense. Now with his 300+ new items in the last day, he's increased his A/D by 10k each, and is much stronger than me.

This is not something that should be allowed to occur in a live game setting with millions of customers playing it.

Seems like a good time to raise gold prices on the most commonly bought item tho, well played ****zio.

[mnju_03]

I hear Simcity is free...

[Dr BoneCrusher]

Try thousands....


Have you seen any of these players? I attack all day and i haven't

[dudeman]

Seems like a good time to raise gold prices on the most commonly bought item tho, well played ****zio.

Excellent point that I forgot to mention. The cost of the most commonly made gold purchase was increased and now there is a new batch of players who have never paid for gold who outclass many a gold spender. First the were gold cheaters, and then there were crate glitchers, and then there were cash glitchers, but this latest bunch is only doing what Funzio is likely encouraging them to do.

[Max Power]

All of the Scratcher items are unique. I have only received one very valuable item, but it looks like many people are getting lots. There is a known bug that has been reported multiple times. I know Funzio will fix it before release, and I am guessing since the items are unique, they will be able to turf them from people's inventory, returning them to mortal status. I am guessing they can anyway.

They should turn it off now if this is effecting gameplay from a few select people getting these items.

While Beta testers sometimes get the short end, anyone who says they shouldn't also should say they shouldn't get an advantage either. It's only fair.

That is about all I am confortable saying.

[Whoopdido1980]

For what it's worth, the glitch appears to be fixed. The inventory items remain though.

Whatever items beta testers got still seem to be there but, unless I'm mistaken, they won't be able to get massive amounts of new items per day anymore.

[Nicholost]

While Beta testers sometimes get the short end, anyone who says they shouldn't also should say they shouldn't get an advantage either. It's only fair.

Agreed. Although, I would like to see them be reimbursed with gold instead of the items acquired while beta-testing. Those items should be removed once the features being tested are production-worthy. The gold reward should be substantial enough to justify their time and effort. That ensures bugs don't make it into production... even though they technically already have. However, my stance on testing in production was made clear in another thread that has since been locked. To avoid this one suffering the same fate, I will refrain from repeating that opinion.

[JimmyShines]

All of the Scratcher items are unique.....

Actually, there are many items that are repeats from crates as well as single sale gold items (I will not name them here), so it will take some time to fix this, if they ever plan on fixing it (i.e. removing the items).

Any bets on how long it takes Mark to lock this thread?

Casino City to appear real sooooon.

[deuces]

For what it's worth, the glitch appears to be fixed. The inventory items remain though.

Whatever items beta testers got still seem to be there but, unless I'm mistaken, they won't be able to get massive amounts of new items per day anymore.

I mean cool, the glitch is fixed...Not fixing the beta testors inventory who took avantage of the glitch to raise their attack/defense by close to 20% overnight will not be acceptable in my mind.

[dudeman]

I mean cool, the glitch is fixed...Not fixing the beta testors inventory who took avantage of the glitch to raise their attack/defense by close to 20% overnight will not be acceptable in my mind.

+1ynftjhchytc

[Whoopdido1980]

I mean cool, the glitch is fixed...Not fixing the beta testors inventory who took avantage of the glitch to raise their attack/defense by close to 20% overnight will not be acceptable in my mind.

I agree. Go ahead and take my items away. I don't have hundreds and hundreds of items like I'm sure many players have, but I'll freely admit that I have many more items than I SHOULD have. On the "taking advantage scale" of 1-10 I probably took advantage to the tune of a 1.5. Funzio should definitely take my items away. As far as this problem goes, I'm nowhere near what some players did, but like I said, I definitely have more items than I should and I shouldn't be able to keep them.

[The Billionaire]

Yes there is definitely something wrong. My mate plays on android and he said he received 25 skill points for no reason. I have seen his evidence and he wasn't lying so there's definitely something going on.

Funzio this needs fixing asap and any benefits that people have received should be removed because it's not fair on the players who have spent hundreds of dollars of real money on this game.

[kimberleyj]

i think if they are going to let beta testers play with us then we should be able to talk about these weapons when we see them. i don't understand why we can't talk about these new weapons, it will bring some hype into the game how would that harm the company?. if they don't want us to know about these weapons until a later date then these new weapons shouldn't show up in plain view.

[Dravak]

Truth is I don't care that they let them keep it , which in very high probality they will .
Cause it increases gold profit , so they exploited the system and get to keep the rewards .

This reason is the primary reason for them to put this beta on live .
Allowing them to see how creative beta players are...
So expect no actions taken against those , simply put they get to keep all those exploited items .

The whole game is starting to feel like a circus show as off today , sorry the raising in prices is more important.
Then some people ego getting offended , too bad for those beta players that didn't exploit .
Learn to exploit is the keymark of the beta .

[Aid]

Beta testers should have 2 accounts, when it is time to beta transfer the beta account to their device, when beta is done their normal account is transferred back. That way for any tester that exposes a glitch (which is great) they do not benefit. This seems rather logical doesn't it?

[Dravak]

Logic is what they are doing now , sorry it fits the whole greater picture there VC grant of 20 million , is already returned in full , maybe the stock value of Gree dropped some People got pissed .
Decide to get additional revenue straight from the consumer base ,not caring about the longterm implication anymore.

This is a very common practise in cooperate industry , since it doesn't affect the head office yet .

[Babytway]

I knew this day would come, *cough *cough i have to say im on dudeman side with this thread. that wasnt so hard to say as i thought it would. :)

[Rhino72]

I agree. Go ahead and take my items away. I don't have hundreds and hundreds of items like I'm sure many players have, but I'll freely admit that I have many more items than I SHOULD have. On the "taking advantage scale" of 1-10 I probably took advantage to the tune of a 1.5. Funzio should definitely take my items away. As far as this problem goes, I'm nowhere near what some players did, but like I said, I definitely have more items than I should and I shouldn't be able to keep them.

Well whoopdi, it seems like some forum members who are beta testers saw the glitch and realized it was a huge problem while other forum members just said, glitch jackpot! For the clowns that decided to keep taking advantage of the beta glitch and have 300 + items do us all a favor and don't bother posting your bs.

[Babytway]

if the players get to keep the items i say good for them stick it to the man, but funzio should re-tool there whole system so it doens't happen again

[Dravak]

Babytway lol you mean waiting till gree comes in !
So till then it is the wild west at funzio , so anything goes .

Well good beta players will get invited to there next project ... so cover your own butt :p

[Ghost818]

I wonder how much havoc would have been caused if we didn't Go through the trouble to find what was the issue.

[Dipstik]

You're right... That would have meant everyone would have been able to exploit a bug instead of a select few. Thank god that didn't happen!

Seriously though... Are you saying that "you" should keep the results of an exploit because it's your job to find them? I can't be reading you right...

[dudeman]

Whoever did or did not find or test whatever issue is not important! The fact that the BETA version leaks into the "REAL" version is the issue. That should not be happening, especially when it causes gold players to experience total defeat at the hands of someone who spent nil.

0¢>$X00's?

Something wrong with that.

[Aid]

Totally agree dudeman. All bugs should be fixed, but allowing a glitch to basically continue in PROD is not correct. Beta testing accounts while they may be needed in prod need to be completely separate from a players regular account

[Whoopdido1980]

Totally agree dudeman. All bugs should be fixed, but allowing a glitch to basically continue in PROD is not correct. Beta testing accounts while they may be needed in prod need to be completely separate from a players regular account

Beta players aren't allowed to participate in the event. So that's a negative for beta players. That's actually how I found the glitch. I was switching back and forth between the 2 versions because the beta didn't have the event.

If the beta version was completely separate then beta players would fall behind.

I just think the easiest solution would be to take away all scratcher items from beta players because the rest of the players didn't have the opportunity. Having the beta be completely separate wouldn't be fair because beta players can't participate in events.

[sez]

Just came across "Leon" lvl 168 I think if I remember correctly. He has a crazy inventory because of the beta testing glitch and is open about admitting it. I will keep attacking him until he's to strong. I think this is horse .....

It also is not cool that beta testers can't do any event but you didn't have to agree to be a beta tester so I have no sympathy for any of you.

[sez]

From a Beta Tester on my wall, looks like Beta Testers get rewarded with Gold so don't feel sorry for any of them.

"I did discover that glitch turned it in and continued to pursue the glitch and found another major glitch involving gold bars which I did not take advantage of because that's wrong I told funzio when I turned them in every thing I did and the items I got !if they take them away no biggy but they gave me gold for the glitches I don't know if thy will take the items though"

Don't believe me check my wall.

[2Legit]

From a Beta Tester on my wall, looks like Beta Testers get rewarded with Gold so don't feel sorry for any of them.


Not every tester gets rewarded....just saying

[Whoopdido1980]

Not every tester gets rewarded....just saying

I've turned in multiple glitches and have never been rewarded.

[sez]

Not every tester gets rewarded....just saying

Any extra sympathy please give to the beta testers who don't recieve gold. Please let me know who so I can rub there back and tell them everything is ok, they're doing a GREAT Job and it's not fair.

Come on bro, don't blame us for being upset, YOU SEE THE ITEMS SMACKING YOU IN THE FACE after every attack and rob.

[sez]

I've turned in multiple glitches and have never been rewarded.

Hook up with Leon.

[dudeman]

I've turned in multiple glitches and have never been rewarded.

Do you guys mind not talking about anything specific regarding beta-tester user experience? P&TY. It's the type of thing that will have this thread locked.

[2Legit]

AND why is everybody taking it on the beta testers? This issue should be blamed to FUNZIO itself. They are the one that made the error and we (beta testers) are there to report it, WHICH WE DID.

ALSO how is non-gold user got to do with the game play...not everyone is force to buy any gold in the first place. Even without the scratcher, I (for an example) had almost the same stats as it was now; the items hardly helps, buying explosives are more worth it.

If you think its unfair...there's 2 ways to go....QUIT or STOP SPENDING MONEY

[2Legit]

I've turned in multiple glitches and have never been rewarded.

Same here, bro! I've even emailed them, just in case they forgot about me, about the gold and they never responded.

[Dravak]

You know what just get over with it BETA players will keep there items , especially those who exploited .
Nothing will be done , cause it is a unfair envoirement period .

Accept it or move on , sorry maybe harsh and cold and truthfully , yeah but that is how it seems to be working since the money glitch , anybody saw any money glitcher being banned ? aside from the free players who were money glitching ?

Well since none of the gold players were banned ! so same story applies for beta items .
Same story applies for event people getting there 10th item in overtime ....
We can go on forever , but that is the envoirement that is today !

[sez]

AND why is everybody taking it on the beta testers? This issue should be blamed to FUNZIO itself. They are the one that made the error and we (beta testers) are there to report it, WHICH WE DID.

ALSO how is non-gold user got to do with the game play...not everyone is force to buy any gold in the first place. Even without the scratcher, I (for an example) had almost the same stats as it was now; the items hardly helps, buying explosives are more worth it.

If you think its unfair...there's 2 ways to go....QUIT or STOP SPENDING MONEY

Funzio is 100000000% at fault, I'm not taking it at any Beta Tester. I would rather be able to exploit a glitch and possibly get free gold then fail over and over at these events.

[Rhino72]

How does it work in beta land? Once one beta tester finds a glitch he passes it on to the others so they can all take advantage of it if they want? Why do some forum members who have been figured out as testers only have a few items and others have in the hundreds?

"beta testers falling behind"??? This isn't beta for some Warcraft type game. It takes 10 seconds to loot items and a few minutes to dump all your stamina. What is so different in beta that players fall behind and can't have a separate stand alone instance?

[Dipstik]

No one is blaming beta testers because we don't know who they are. Unless they're here making excuses, in which cases they're no better than any other glitchers. Of course the only proper action on funzios part is to take the glitched items away, and the only proper thing for a tester to do is shut up about it publicly and send funzio a list of everything gained from the beta test so it can be removed.

Don't agree? Then you're a cheater, and I blame you.

[sez]

I hope none of you who are beta testers actualy expected no one to notice. You had to see this coming, you all seem very intelligent.

[sez]

No one is blaming beta testers because we don't know who they are. Unless they're here making excuses, in which cases they're no better than any other glitchers. Of course the only proper action on funzios part is to take the glitched items away, and the only proper thing for a tester to do is shut up about it publicly and send funzio a list of everything gained from the beta test so it can be removed.

Don't agree? Then you're a cheater, and I blame you.

Agreed, just because you have a label doesn't mean an exploit isn't an exploit.

[2Legit]

How does it work in beta land? Once one beta tester finds a glitch he passes it on to the others so they can all take advantage of it if they want? Why do some forum members who have been figured out as testers only have a few items and others have in the hundreds?

"beta testers falling behind"??? This isn't beta for some Warcraft type game. It takes 10 seconds to loot items and a few minutes to dump all your stamina. What is so different in beta that players fall behind and can't have a separate stand alone instance?

We were not suppose to exploit any to anyone whatsoever. Just one random person who did not get it got upset and exploited was the reason it got started.

Nobody knew who's who (beta tester). It is meant to be confidential...BUT not anymore.

[Dipstik]

Yeah... I found one because I tried to rob her and noticed she had gone from low 40k to mid 60k. So much for anonymity. Maybe if she wasnt abusing the crap out of things I wouldn't have noticed.

[Dravak]

2legit , it is fine you don't have to say anything , this one is definetly funzio mess up .
Do they honestly think people wouldn't notice ? LMAO
offcourse people would notice , that was the whole thing of it , they would notice get envious , funzio sticks the middle finger at customers , go buy more scratchers ...

That is the whole trick nothing more to it , none of the beta testers fault , been trough that **** enough time .
Sorry people demanding stuff well eat there middle finger , just buy more scratchers to make up .

Honestly can we drop this one . cause getting really angry here .... and no am not a beta tester but been there before on tons of other products .

[sez]

We were not suppose to exploit any to anyone whatsoever. Just one random person who did not get it got upset and exploited was the reason it got started.

Nobody knew who's who (beta tester). It is meant to be confidential...BUT not anymore.

A lot of people spend a lot of time and money on the game. Creating documents, loot lists, play strategies etc. Funzio knows this, everyone looks at everyone's inventory, everyone talks using the "Comment" feature. This is on Funzio.

I don't mean any disrespect to any of you at all, it's just bogus.

[2Legit]

Yeah... I found one because I tried to rob her and noticed she had gone from low 40k to mid 60k. So much for anonymity. Maybe if she wasnt abusing the crap out of things I wouldn't have noticed.

Not everyone who jumps 20k in minutes is considered a beta...keep in mind there are other ways that person got upgraded...she maybe hacking it, gold spender, or so on.

[Ghost818]

You're right... That would have meant everyone would have been able to exploit a bug instead of a select few. Thank god that didn't happen!

Seriously though... Are you saying that "you" should keep the results of an exploit because it's your job to find them? I can't be reading you right...
Thats not what I'm saying, wether they keep it or not is not up to the testers. If they keep them great, they caught something the devs didnt. They don't keep them then hey what can anyone do.

[Rhino72]

Thats not what I'm saying, wether they keep it or not is not up to the testers. If they keep them great, they caught something the devs didnt. They don't keep them then hey what can anyone do.

"if they keep them great" funny coming from a guy who increased his stats upward of 10k.

[sez]

"if they keep them great" funny coming from a guy who increased his stats upward of 10k.

Sorry Ghost but I agree. Would you say the samething if you were me and Rhino and everyone else grinding out attacks just to get a Chain Whip or Excelro to give us 15 more attack? Doubt it.

[Ghost818]

"if they keep them great" funny coming from a guy who increased his stats upward of 10k.

I already gave my opinion I have nothing more to say.

[Ghost818]

Sorry Ghost but I agree. Would you say the samething if you were me and Rhino and everyone else grinding out attacks just to get a Chain Whip or Excelro to give us 15 more attack? Doubt it.

I was referring to funzio's PoV, like I said its not up to the testers what happens, my PoV Is doesn't matter cause it's not going to be heard anyway.

[2Legit]

Since you guys are too busy on here...i hope ur buildings are ready to be collected so I can come and collect them for you..

[xclusiv]

scratch me happy, yeah!

[Rhino72]

All I would like to know, did certain people stop once they found the issue and report it as a major problem while others knew it was a major problem and exploited it? To the testers that showed restraint and did the right thing hats off to you even if you have a few free powerful items to others sitting with 100s of great new items you are no better than the money glitch cheaters that you probably complained about.

[Dipstik]

In my example, I checked all her items... Definite beta glitcher.

[Ghost818]

If you have ever followed my posts, I don't complain ;)

[Dipstik]

But you do keep talking, that's for sure

[2Legit]

Just for the record i got my Dragon Star, and (3 other insane items) before I even knew about the glitch...but when I found out about it, TBH YES i did took advantage of it, who wouldn't?

Call me wahtever floats ur boat but if u were in that position, 99.9% of you would take that advantage as well.

But I did report to FUNZIO DEVS before taking adavantage of it.... so......KISS my avatar's ASS!!

[dudeman]

Okay, I understand the mentality behind "the testers have no say in what happens". No one does, all anyone can do is report what they find and let Funzio act on it.

What we are finding here is that something fishy is going on with beta, it's leaking into production pre-universal release and with very high powered items in very high numbers, which have been obtained by the abuse of a glitch.

It is a known fact that SOME beta testers DO receive rewards or incentives OCCASIONALLY and at Funzio's discretion. There should not be any issue with that since a tester who receives any reward will certainly have earned it. However, if the gains from being a tester are the result of abusing a glitch, the "tester status" is not a valid excuse for taking an unfair advantage by abuse of an unintended error in programming. (logical preventive measure would be to make all beta items powerless - 0/0) In fact, I would venture so far as to label "glitch cheating" in beta as slightly worse than "glitch cheating" in general because in the beta situation it's not even something that everyone can abuse fairly!

This situation is entirely Funzio's fault, but to be fair it could just be another oversight or whatever they like to call it. The reason I started this thread is to bring to attention the fact that the game is broken, not that players are doing questionable activities. Those questionable activities are only possible because the game is broken.

Customer support has been unresponsive to some of my recent tickets, so I posted on the forum. The only way they can know there is something wrong is if it gets reported... And someone sees the report!

[Dipstik]

I wouldn't have "taken advantage of it" any more than t did the cash glitch. I figured out how to do it, reported the bug, and left it at that.

Yes, you are a cheater. No, you can't get around that by assuming everyone would do it in your position.

[Rhino72]

But you do keep talking, that's for sure

Enough dipstik, let him get back to testing because I just stumbled upon his hood since I first noticed this yesterday and the items keep piling up. Another 20 + guerrilla rifles since yesterday plus others but not going to bother looking or listing. Guerrilla rifles are the first item on the guns page. I think this is how it happens: "wow this can't be right, let me check again, nope this isnt right but let me make sure, one more time to make sure, hmmm strange, is this right....ok well let me just make sure for the 400th time that this is really working like this."

[2Legit]

Then cheater it is! Report me, please do (begs) because really I do not give a f**ked

[Dipstik]

Maybe he's right... Maybe he deserves the items for so THOROUGHLY testing this particular glitch :)

[Dravak]

Just for the record i got my Dragon Star, and (3 other insane items) before I even knew about the glitch...but when I found out about it, TBH YES i did took advantage of it, who wouldn't?

Call me wahtever floats ur boat but if u were in that position, 99.9% of you would take that advantage as well.

But I did report to FUNZIO DEVS before taking adavantage of it.... so......KISS my avatar's ASS!!


Damn I am again the 0,1 % I am definetly something ;)

in honesty at this moment I don't care anymore , and the blaim is on funzio , they hired the right people to do the job , find exploits and mass reproduce it !
That is what beta is for , but them leaking it out on live , screw funzio ..

Am glad am about going to WIN the game :p well the rest , I don't want to know anymore .
Maybe after today Frankly I don't care .

[Dipstik]

Ok then... Reported.

edit: Ticket #102950.

[2Legit]

FINALLY...I've been trying to get myself banned...if I only knew you in the first place...I wouldn't have to waste my time replying to whiner's like you!

[Dipstik]

Well, cheating is a good way to do it.

[Dravak]

Dip she will not be banned period ! done end of story , so what are you going to do about ?

You ain't going to quit , sorry her staying around only makes you more envious .
So end deal start spending more gold ! that is funzio rule here !

If gold cannot solve it toss more gold at it , then we toss them free weapons :p ...

[Nicholost]

Hey guys, cool it. Dudeman made a polite request (here (http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?29485-Funzio-s-Beta-Testing-System&p=225245&viewfull=1#post225245)) to keep this thread on the topic of beta items entering production, not a look who's cheating thread. Please respect his request.

[2Legit]

:D:D you're smart!!! i GUESS that's y I call myself iLLiterate1...coz I didn't think of that at all:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Dipstik]

*shrug* It's evolved. Conversations do that. Now we have beta testers openly admitting that they exploited bugs that they volunteered and were given special privileges in order to find with the expectation that the profits of their exploitation would continue into the live game. I know he won't be banned, but that doesn't mean no one should speak up.

[2Legit]

*shrug* It's evolved. Conversations do that. Now we have beta testers openly admitting that they exploited bugs that they volunteered and were given special privileges in order to find with the expectation that the profits of their exploitation would continue into the live game. I know he won't be banned, but that doesn't mean no one should speak up.

At least i got the guts to speak up and not let u say bullsh!t things about the beta testers!! yes everybody has their opinion and so do I...btw FYI the bug has been fixed and I STOPPED using the scratcher until it gets release for everyone!


I APOLOGIZE FOR THE REST...I will stop with this nonsense.

[Nicholost]

*shrug* It's evolved. Conversations do that. Now we have beta testers openly admitting that they exploited bugs that they volunteered and were given special privileges in order to find with the expectation that the profits of their exploitation would continue into the live game. I know he won't be banned, but that doesn't mean no one should speak up.

And you've done that when you opened a ticket with Funzio. Nothing more you can do but get a perfectly good thread locked. So chill.

[Dipstik]

I'll give you credit for that... you did openly admit to what you were doing. Whether that's "guts" or just "dumb as a brick" is up for argument. I'm very glad you stopped exploiting a bug once it was fixed, too.

[erik]

I don't think anyone really needs to take this personally... it is Funzio's platform to mix beta and production.

However, any objective person would recognize that raising stats in excess of thousands in a short period of time without gold is a problem that MUST be fixed.

Lets say the average person would take 2 days to get the new boss loot. For me, Cagefighter pads are a 22pt increase because I refuse to buy mid level upgrades, so probably a lot less for most. But as it is the common loot, and I don't want to figure in the rares, lets use 22.

10k increase would take about 900 days. (And would need to switch to Reinforced Tonfas somewhere in the middle.)

900 days! LOL... Sigh.


Edit: Just checked out some inventories, and re-read Jimmy Shines response. Actual crate and gold purchased items... wow.

[deuces]

I was under the impression many/most beta testers were chosen due to the integrity they have shown in game, reporting glitches, NOT taking advantage of situations they could, etc.

This is clearly being proven to be incorrect, or maybe funzio just poorly chose their testers, im not sure.

This is quite obviously a programming error of some type on funzios side, however i do feel like a certain amount of blame should be placed on those beta testers who took advantage of the position funzio gave them. It doesnt seem right that some of the people called out in this thread are being given special privileges, since they've shown they dont deserve them.

[Chukuli]

Are your refering to these weapons?
I came across one player having those.

1257 Beta Melee?
1258 Beta Guns?
1259 Beta Guns?

[Ghost818]

If only we could speak about what is actually going on about this matter, then everyone's accusations would quickly become apologies. Unfortunately it is confidential, people aren't even supposed to know of the beta but some of the beta testers just don't know what confidentiality is and because of this people are making false accusations due to the frustration of beta testers and these items which IS normal. I hope and wish they get rid of all the items so things can go back to normal but if they don't it really isn't any of our faults.

I am sick and tired of reading the word exploiting and cheating. Our job is to FIND these GLITCHES/BUGS/EXPLOITS and report them so ALL OF YOU can have a smooth gaming experience without cheaters and hackers etc. However it is not any of our faults if Funzio decides we can keep the items we have gained, I assumed we wouldn't but they still haven't been removed. Simply our job is to find these errors and even exploit them if we have to so we can know the extent of the problem. Just because I am a beta tester that doesn't mean I should be harassed and called an "exploiter or cheater" if that is solely the purpose of the beta. Again the decisions all come from Funzio we have no say whether we keep them or not.

I am tired of people complaining without knowing the facts behind things. I wonder what would have happened if we hadn't found the error and it was released with the scratchers. Then you guys would complain and say FUNZIO!, what the!@#$ there are cheaters... that's if some don't take advantage of it themselves.

Continue hating if you must, but this is reality.

Regards,
Ghost.

[Spartacus]

If only we could speak about what is actually going on about this matter, then everyone's accusations would quickly become apologies. Unfortunately it is confidential, people aren't even supposed to know of the beta but some of the beta testers just don't know what confidentiality is and because of this people are making false accusations due to the frustration of beta testers and these items which IS normal. I hope and wish they get rid of all the items so things can go back to normal but if they don't it really isn't any of our faults.

I am sick and tired of reading the word exploiting and cheating. Our job is to FIND these GLITCHES/BUGS/EXPLOITS and report them so ALL OF YOU can have a smooth gaming experience without cheaters and hackers etc. However it is not any of our faults if Funzio decides we can keep the items we have gained, I assumed we wouldn't but they still haven't been removed. Simply our job is to find these errors and even exploit them if we have to so we can know the extent of the problem. Just because I am a beta tester that doesn't mean I should be harassed and called an "exploiter or cheater" if that is solely the purpose of the beta. Again the decisions all come from Funzio we have no say whether we keep them or not.

I am tired of people complaining without knowing the facts behind things. I wonder what would have happened if we hadn't found the error and it was released with the scratchers. Then you guys would complain and say FUNZIO!, what the!@#$ there are cheaters... that's if some don't take advantage of it themselves.

Continue hating if you must, but this is reality.

Regards,
Ghost.

+1

Ba-dum-chhhhhhhh!

[sez]

Yes, at least there are only a few with massive amounts of these weapons they didn't earn or pay for! Thanks for clearing that up.

[Ghost818]

Yes, at least there are only a few with massive amounts of these weapons they didn't earn or pay for! Thanks for clearing that up.

Its not about earning them or not, is it particularly our fault that the beta is not separated from the actual game? No, is it our job to find things like these and help to fix them? yes. If you are assigned to see check the extent of the problem, then you do so. In return I do not expect to be hated on, especially when i don't know why they haven't removed them or if we are going to keep them. Feel me Boss?

[sez]

No I don't feel you on this 1. A lot of us here utilize a Test and Prod environment daily in our place of business. We know what Test is and what it's not. I don't feel that you and whomever else that is a tester that can have these items in mass quantity is providing me with any type of positive service or the game in which I should say Thank You instead of saying this is S.HIT.

[Ghost818]

No I don't feel you on this 1. A lot of us here utilize a Test and Prod environment daily in our place of business. We know what Test is and what it's not. I don't feel that you and whomever else that is a tester that can have these items in mass quantity is providing me with any type of positive service or the game in which I should say Thank You instead of saying this is S.HIT.

I understand your frustration, but we REALLY dont know if we are going to keep them or not. I personally dont want to just because of all this drama. Its not worth it.

[Spartacus]

I understand your frustration, but we REALLY dont know if we are going to keep them or not. I personally dont want to just because of all this drama. Its not worth it.

Would you feel the same way if you weren't aware of the drama on the forums?

[Dipstik]

I already gave my opinion I have nothing more to say.

You should follow your own advice and funzios rules about beta testers shutting the hell up if you expect to come out of this smelling better than 2legit.

[Ghost818]

Would you feel the same way if you weren't aware of the drama on the forums?
Either way from the start, we had no knowledge wether we keep them or not, and still dont. Would I feel the same if I wasnt aware of the drama? I honestly dont know. That isnt the point though, the point is I am being accused of exploiting something when it is my job to find these "exploits" and find the extent of theyre potential so it is fixed to the maximum. What else would be the point of a beta if it wasn't to find problems and execute fixes before a disaster pops up in the actual game.

Again, if it wasn't confidential it would be more clear to everyone to what exactly happened. But since it IS confidential I can not get into details, and since I can not, you guys don't know what happens behind the scenes and thus I am accused of cheating and exploiting etc. I mean really?....ME?

Regarding whether we keep them or not, dont hate at me, hate whoever is pulling the strings cause it aint my fault.

[G Wiz]

Y'all know ghost got some stripes around here, and like he said, we should direct our frustrations to the one's allowing him to do it.

Considering the red tape around beta this and beta that, this is something we really have no business trying to understand because the game developers are still roughing out the edges.

Thats my 5 cents...anyone need change?

[Rhino72]

Ghost, you added fuel to the fire when you said if we keep it nothing we can do. You should have just said you are doing everything in your testing power to get rid of these false items. You are right we don't know all th details but it is obvious when we are all looking and see a few beta testers with a few items and others with 100s that keep growing. That makes it seem like some testers reported the problems and ate waiting for a fix to test again while others just keep exploiting the known bug while waiting for a fix. If it is an exploit in beta or prod so be it but when it looks like trusted testers know it is an exploit, report it and then take advantage of it then what is therest of the community supposed to think?

[Ghost818]

Ghost, you added fuel to the fire when you said if we keep it nothing we can do. You should have just said you are doing everything in your testing power to get rid of these false items. You are right we don't know all th details but it is obvious when we are all looking and see a few beta testers with a few items and others with 100s that keep growing. That makes it seem like some testers reported the problems and ate waiting for a fix to test again while others just keep exploiting the known bug while waiting for a fix. If it is an exploit in beta or prod so be it but when it looks like trusted testers know it is an exploit, report it and then take advantage of it then what is therest of the community supposed to think?

If it wasnt confidential I would GLADLY explain the who, what, where, when, why and how.

Its not like us testers have meetings and tell each other of the issues we find, we don't even know who the other testers are, thats kinda the point of being confidential. The reason some testers would have more or less is the testers that figured it out, knew about it, those who didn't know the full extent of the problem only had half a bug to deal with.

This beta was messed up from the start, there was no exploit needed and already multiple scratchers were popping up,but because this was already happening I noticed it was abnormal and dug deeper, found the problem reported it, exploited it to its full extent reported that and it was fixed.

But because no one here really knows what happened that doesn't give anyone the right to call me any names when they really have no clue...

[Whoopdido1980]

If it wasnt confidential I would GLADLY explain the who, what, where, when, why and how.

Its not like us testers have meetings and tell each other of the issues we find, we don't even know who the other testers are, thats kinda the point of being confidential. The reason some testers would have more or less is the testers that figured it out, knew about it, those who didn't know the full extent of the problem only had half a bug to deal with.

This beta was messed up from the start, there was no exploit needed and already multiple scratchers were popping up,but because this was already happening I noticed it was abnormal and dug deeper, found the problem reported it, exploited it to its full extent reported that and it was fixed.

But because no one here really knows what happened that doesn't give anyone the right to call me any names when they really have no clue...

Just keep in mind that you weren't the only one that reported it. For the record, I reported it last Friday and again on Saturday. I got a response on Monday. I believe it was fixed yesterday.

[Ghost818]

Just keep in mind that you weren't the only one that reported it. For the record, I reported it last Friday and again on Saturday. I got a response on Monday. I believe it was fixed yesterday.
People really need to stop venting on me. It is getting irritating. I am not the only one to have reported this, I am not the only one who found it. I am not the only one who helped fix it. There are quiet a few of us, and I had no knowledge that there were so many. I am not claiming any glory, just giving my side of what happened.

This will be my last comment on this topic, take it up with funzio not me.

[CCAnon]

Yes a number of issues found in the beta release, issues reported and issues now resolved. Funzio could/should have acted quickly on this by shutting down the beta server as was within the first few hours I reported it but left the beta running.

Maybe they had other intentions ie see what the odds of the items being dropped was so when released to the whole community they are in a better position to take peoples money and make sure the high end items drop rarely/evenly.

I really wish some of the beta testers would refrain from posting other testers screenshots showing there names. This is really poor show.

CCAnon as sometimes wise to protect your identity.

[Swifty]

@2Legit

It would be a nice one to kiss.

[Max Power]

I gotta stand up for Ghost on this one.

Honestly, I wouldn't even talk about this stuff if the items from beta weren't appearing in production. Hard to keep it a secret when stuff shows up for everybody to see.

I would be more than happy to test for Funzio in an isolated environment, but I seriously doubt they could create an entirely different database just for testing. The whole point of testing is to see how this stuff performs in production, after all.

No disrespect Sez, but I couldn't give two turds if I have your sympathy or not. The reality of beta testing is this. Only small amounts of gold (Tapjoy levels, really) are given to the first people who find a bug. The rest that also report it are merely thanked if acknowledged at all. The reality is that we spend gold bought with real money (our money) to test some features that are of little benefit to us. Funzio doesn't compensate us for that. The reality is that while I am playing in beta, I cant compete in the event. The reality is that most beta testers, whomever they are, will report this glitch like me, and like me, gladly give up any unique weapons once this goes into production. The reality is that you aren't a beta tester, so you are voicing your opinions without full knowledge of what is going on.

All the most powerful weapons in this event seem to be unique to me, although Jimmy says some are in other areas of the game. I have recieved ONE powerful weapon total out of this test, the rest are closer to low tier crate items. That's the reality of it.

If Funzio wants to create a completely seperate area for betas to test, using a different account, using Funzios gold instead of money out of my pocket, I would be more than happy to do that for them. Then maybe I wouldn't have to take crap from people who don't know all the details. End of story.

[Dravak]

Seriously ghost the rest , I don´t care what you did and in my eyes you didn´t do anything wrong .
Sorry same way funzio is milking the fair players out , they are milking the beta for all it is worth .

Now the whole system has to change , but it doesn´t start with the system , it starts with the people .
And at this moment I don´t believe that it can be changed anymore .

Sorry that is my analytic mind , people has become to reliant on same envious behaviour and exploits .
That the few people who wants a cheat free envoirement , can no longer prosper .

[sez]

I gotta stand up for Ghost on this one.

Honestly, I wouldn't even talk about this stuff if the items from beta weren't appearing in production. Hard to keep it a secret when stuff shows up for everybody to see.

I would be more than happy to test for Funzio in an isolated environment, but I seriously doubt they could create an entirely different database just for testing. The whole point of testing is to see how this stuff performs in production, after all.

No disrespect Sez, but I couldn't give two turds if I have your sympathy or not. The reality of beta testing is this. Only small amounts of gold (Tapjoy levels, really) are given to the first people who find a bug. The rest that also report it are merely thanked if acknowledged at all. The reality is that we spend gold bought with real money (our money) to test some features that are of little benefit to us. Funzio doesn't compensate us for that. The reality is that while I am playing in beta, I cant compete in the event. The reality is that most beta testers, whomever they are, will report this glitch like me, and like me, gladly give up any unique weapons once this goes into production. The reality is that you aren't a beta tester, so you are voicing your opinions without full knowledge of what is going on.

All the most powerful weapons in this event seem to be unique to me, although Jimmy says some are in other areas of the game. I have recieved ONE powerful weapon total out of this test, the rest are closer to low tier crate items. That's the reality of it.

If Funzio wants to create a completely seperate area for betas to test, using a different account, using Funzios gold instead of money out of my pocket, I would be more than happy to do that for them. Then maybe I wouldn't have to take crap from people who don't know all the details. End of story.

I don't care about you or Beta testers at all. I don't care what you get or don't get it. I will say my piece when I feel like it. If the items are going to be smacking everyone in the face and then when people bring it up we're told to "Shut up and not discuss it" well I have an issue with that. I believe in the fight and rob screen it states "Click or check out your rivals inventory and get some better weapons" or something similar.

I also didn't address anyone specifically other then Leon so that it was known that I wasn't just speculating.

Since you said end of story though I'll go sit in the corner and wait for you to not be disappointed any longer.

[Luciferianism]

God can we just give this a rest, we all know Ghost is a God among men and has an unfair advantage over everyone else and takes huge pleasure in robbing legit players, there's no point dwelling on it.

[dudeman]

Listen, I didn't start this thread to call anyone out. Funzio's system is broken, Customer Support is MIA/AWOL, and the forum is the last place I could think of where I might post this and have it seen by someone who can do something about it.

The fact of the matter is that it's not right for beta content to leak into the production version. Beta testers are not responsible for this, Funzio is at fault. The logical solution, barring developing a new beta system altogether, would be to leave all beta items powerless until release. They can modify items and stats at will, why not have the "power" turned off for testing, and on release flick the "on" switch?

However, this issue has brought to light the fact that some people abused a glitch and have gained an unfair advantage as a result.

Abuse and exploitation of bugs and glitches is not acceptable regardless of whether or not it is "your job" to help find problems and get them fixed. Since I am not a beta tester I will have to make an assumption here due to lack of information, so if I'm off please correct me.

I assume that beta testers have some sort of direct communication with the beta test team at Funzio HQ. To me this says that you are informed when there is a new build for you to test, so you test it and provide feedback. If you find problems you report the problems. Are you a) specifically told to abuse the crap out of a bug until it's fixed, or do you b) report the issue and wait for further instructions? Or do you go out of your way to take advantage as much as possible regardless of instructions?

This is a copy/paste of the code of conduct that can be found in-game by visiting Menu>More>Help>Terms of Service:


2. Code of Conduct. You agree that you will not (the following restrictions, collectively, the “Code of Conduct”):

(a) cheat or use, develop or distribute automation software programs (“bots”), “macro” software programs or other “cheat utility” software programs or applications which are designed to modify the Services or Funzio experience;

(b) exploit, distribute or publicly inform other users of any game error, miscue or bug which gives an unintended advantage


Take note of point b. There is no mention of special exemptions, so tester or not you are expected to play fair.

[DenZ1]

"Leon" player has quite a bit of these items.

[Ghost818]

God can we just give this a rest, we all know Ghost is a God among men and has an unfair advantage over everyone else and takes huge pleasure in robbing legit players, there's no point dwelling on it.

I am sorry but you are mistaken on this one, I actually have been very inactive in CC and have been putting all my time into KA, and the guide I have written. I havnt robbed anyone in over a month and my own money buildings are robbed all day long the only ones I actually collect are my 24s, and you can ask the players that rob me. I haven't attacked anyone ever since I only had 2 Gun Cases BEFORE the beta was released, so again, no ASSUMPTIONS without proof. This ignorance on the forum directed towards me is ridiculous.

I am no God nor do I want to be, get your facts straight then make accusations.

[Max Power]

Abuse and exploitation of bugs and glitches is not acceptable regardless of whether or not it is "your job" to help find problems and get them fixed.

How's those Mossbergs treatin ya, Sunshine?

LOL!

Looks like somebody found God.

[G Wiz]

How's those Mossbergs treatin ya, Sunshine?

LOL!

Looks like somebody found God.HAHA! wow that was a good one max!

[Crime City Mark]

Please don't discuss unreleased content on the forums. Feel free to send me a PM though.