Average Midas Stats, 2R, and the Economy of R

[Burn]

Got the Midas, loving, it, averaging over 7R per attack as opposed to averaging just 5 per hit before Midas, absolutely brilliant.

1st group of 10 hits = 60R

2nd group of 10 hits = 56R

3rd group of 10 hits = 77R

4th group of 10 hits = 81R

5th group of 10 hits = 90R

(Incidentally, probably pure coincidence, but the first 2 groups of 10 were on players with 500 mob, the latter 3 on 499 Rats - Could it be that Rats pay more R?!?! Will keep checking this).

50 hits for average R of 7.28

By my estimates, as Goodfella, using all available daily stamina I can make a max of 576 attacks per day = 576 x 7.28 = 4193R (pre Midas would have been 2880R), so an extra 1313R per day. This is without including Thug Life or Hardcore Hitman completion R.

For anyone moaning about the M4A1, well if you are early game and not yet deep into Thug Life, it looks to me like having the Midas can give you the opportunity to go some way towards offsetting the M4A1 advantage with the additional haul of R points - you NEED this item bonus!


Point 2 of post...

Why am I still getting 2R on attacks?

Whilst averaging R as above, I am till seeing 2 R now and again. How is this possible?

Minimum base R per hit is 1, Sig adds 1, + 40% of 2 is .8, so 2.8 which presumably should be rounded up to 3?

Unless it's a bug, only thing I can think of is that the Sig point is being added after the Midas calculation.

1 base R, + 40% = 1.4, rounded down to 1. Then Sig adds 1 = 2.


Point 3...

The Economy of R

Campers take note. Let's convert R points to money, and see what the economy of R equates to. We'll set two characters, Mr Thug Lifer, and Mr Camper up against each other...

My scenario (Thug Life completed, but do at least 1 x Hardcore Hitman daily): Daily total of 4693R

Thug Lifer: Someone still doing 2 x Thug Life goals daily, can add 1000R to the above. So 5693R.

What are all these lovely R points worth in monetary terms?

Let's take the 100R Tommy Gun and its 10 Att 6 Def as base, as we have a comparable gun you can buy with in-game money in the Sniper Rifle and its 11 Att 5 Def for $150,000 - in this example each R point is worth £1500, so Mr Thug Lifer who is maxing stamina usage can add monetary value of $8,539,500 ($1500 x 5693R) daily.

OK, the Tommy Gun is a bit rubbish, let's look at an end game item, the least expensive that still serves end-game is the Night Vision Binoculars at 300R...

What is its 16 Att 16 Def worth in monetary terms? Sadly there is no direct comparable but its 32 stat total it is best replicated by the suit thingy (WTF is it called?) that opens up at Level 155, with Att 12 and Def 20, it has the same 32 total. At an in-game money cost of $5,500,000.

Mr Thug Lifer with his 5693R can buy 19 NVB per day.

Mr Camper has no Respect, he is devoid of Respect, he is Respectless, he is never gonna be Respectable. But his lovely monies can buy 19 of the suit thingies. It would cost him £104,500,00 - yep that's right, £104.5 Million. Daily. Good luck with that.

Hey, Mr Camper, all your Level 10 low-end buildings, and your pretend economy that mostly goes uncollected is suddenly looking a bit crap isn't it. ;)

Respect rules. In-Game Money sucks. The End.

[xclusiv]

do you have the sig?

[Burn]

Yeah I have the Sig.

[Dravak]

LoL you just have to rub it in Lmao ;)

Ok that is another way to say congrats Burn on the endprice .

[emcee]

Burn, all a true camper needs is 2x level 10 night clubs at about 4.8 mil/hr :)
They could always add another 2x level 10 casinos at 2.475 mil/hr :)
Moreover, robbing laundromats will yield comparable if not better respect to experience gain ratio compared to fights :p

[Dravak]

I think the 6 months waiting for those upgrades would bore me to death :p ..

[Burn]

Emcee, I know, I know. ;)

You know full well I am also using the opportunity to pull the Campers tails ;)

But you surely must agree, there is quite a compelling case for abandoning camping (if you don't Camp for the pure love of Camping) and going on a Respect Rampage? ATTAAAAAACK!

AND... Most importantly, a Camper that gets the Midas today, can start buying 19 x NVB every day from today. No waiting. Go go go...

[emcee]

Believe me bro, I will go on respect rampage sooner than later, especially with atm crusher and havoc minigun.
Working on lvl 3 nc and once I have two I may go to crawling mode. I hate seeing my 10 stamina go to waste during non events time :p

[Burn]

Also, re the 2R thing...

Not only am I seeing 2R sometimes, but also 3R. How the hell???


Assuming I get base reward of 1R for an attack...

a: Base 1R, Sig adds 1, + 40% of 2 is .8, so 2.8 which presumably should be rounded up to 3?

As per OP, unless it's a bug, assuming the Sig point is being added after the Midas calculation...

b: Base 1R, + 40% = 1.4, rounded down to 1. Then Sig adds 1 = 2.


Assuming I get base reward of 2R for an attack...

a: Base 2R + Sig 1 + 40% = 4.2 or 4R

b: Base 2R + 40% + Sig 1 = 3.8 or 4R

How the hell am I seeing 3R sometimes?

Anyone with more brains than me care to offer a possible solution?

[CounterSniper]

Its possible that the benefits dont stack reminiscent of the goodfella upgrade.

[Dravak]

The 2R is a bug that means either some how caculations didn't went trough with sig or the midas.

1R is basic , for a attack , +1 sig then 40% added rounded up .
The 2R is probaly midas only why they round up suddenly god knows .
Ah you know funzio with there wierd calculations :p ...

[emcee]

Emcee, I know, I know. ;)
AND... Most importantly, a Camper that gets the Midas today, can start buying 19 x NVB every day from today. No waiting. Go go go...

I'm 2 away from end event item. Even if I get it, at present, I won't change my gameplay until economy hits min 500k/hr and most likely 1 million/hr.

If I were to use respect for armor I would skip NVB and go straight to full combat gear. In the meantime for mid game, I would wait until blast shield unlock at level 62 and stock up on those and probably forgo FCG and just buy best cash end game items until I see any noticeable loses.

I already have enough respect saved for 122 nvb but with only 2 robberies since late last year it doesn't hurt to continue saving.

[Nudie]

I sincerely doubt that the game will be around long enough for the diehard campers to achieve their lofty goals. I for one will not be around to see it.

[Mr xXx]

I am a camper and I will remain so for the foreseeable future but I do have 19,685 respect points, so it's possible to do both.

[emcee]

I sincerely doubt that the game will be around long enough for the diehard campers to achieve their lofty goals. I for one will not be around to see it.

I've been playing Storm8 games for about 3 years now. Funzio founders came from there and even though they are different games, camping and attack/defense skill points have some similarities.

[Swifty]

@Burn

Self-aggrandizement alert!

But how much did you say a respect point was worth? If you are buying exeleros, and if we assign an arbitrary value of $42 million to an exelero, then $42 million/1200 respect = $35,000 per respect point?

[Burn]

$15K on the Tommy Gun example, $18.333K on the NVB example.

What the hell, let's just claim an Exelero is worth $120M so $100K per R ;)

[emcee]

What the hell, let's just claim an Exelero is worth $120M so $100K per R ;)

Considering a jet is 84mil and stats are 24/36 (total 60 weighted points) and exelero are 31/17 stats (total 48 weighted points); the prorated dollar value of an exelero based on weighted points would be 67.2mil.

[Burn]

So in that instance a Respect point is worth $56K ($67.2M/1200). You are helping us to build a case against, I love you for that ;)

So 5693 R harvested as per previous, and spent exclusively on Exeleros, gets you 4.74 Exeleros per day. Value of circa $319M daily.

The Respect Economy Rocks!!!

[emcee]

So in that instance a Respect point is worth $56K ($67.2M/1200). You are helping us to build a case against, I love you for that ;)
Yes and an overall 16.8 million loss if you buy one mid tier NVB :)

[Burn]

$319M daily, so my Respect Economy is worth $13.29M every hour, plus of course my insignificant building income of $150K per hour.

Where's Plux? ;)

“Gentlemen, when the enemy is committed to a mistake we must not interrupt him too soon.”
1803: Lord Horatio Nelson

[emcee]

Plux has the income and the respect so he would be in a better position relatively speaking :p

I'll be probably at a minimum 5mil/hr when I reach level 115 for exelero. However, that would be irrelevant as I will have at least 500k respect banked (assuming I don't spend a lot of respect) by then which will give me 420 exeleros which is probably more than enough for end game.

[Dravak]

<.< , >.>. >.< arggg you two are making me get soon only 0.5 DD a day Q.Q

:p carry on lol

[Burn]

I'm only having a bit of fun Dravak, but there is some pertinent info in amongst the banter.

And for sure I know Plux, and Emcee n Froggy, all have serious strategies that work. Some of their followers may not be that diligent however, and Respect Economy might be better for them.

It's all about options.

[Dravak]

I know what you two have fun about , somehow smells to me like funzio calculations for PvE farming lol

But carry on lmao :p , and campers are getting confused too , infact everybody is ..

Remember 1200 respec is equel to 50 gold ;) I had a convo with mark a while back .
So how much is 1200 respec in cash ;) , and what about drops lol those are free ;)

[Dr BoneCrusher]

You guys are starting it convince me on the virtues of respect point farming. So far I do PVP to steal money for my economy. After reading this thread I think I am wasting time and resources. So that beening said, What Is The Best Respect Point Farming Strategy?

[Swifty]

@Dravak

What is the reasoning on 50 gold = 1200 respect?

For example, 1 exelero 31/17 = 1200 respect and 1 armored state car 18/46 = 50 gold. Using this comparison, I would say that 50 gold is better than 1200 respect.

[Sasha54]

Emcee, I know, I know. ;)

You know full well I am also using the opportunity to pull the Campers tails ;)

But you surely must agree, there is quite a compelling case for abandoning camping (if you don't Camp for the pure love of Camping) and going on a Respect Rampage? ATTAAAAAACK!

AND... Most importantly, a Camper that gets the Midas today, can start buying 19 x NVB every day from today. No waiting. Go go go...

But Burn - you're talking as if it's just a matter of going and getting the Midas - not that easy. Last 2 events I only got to the 3rd item - so expectations of getting the Midas for me and many others is zilch!!!

And I'm not going to spend gold to do it anyway.............

[Dravak]

@Dravak

What is the reasoning on 50 gold = 1200 respect?

For example, 1 exelero 31/17 = 1200 respect and 1 armored state car 18/46 = 50 gold. Using this comparison, I would say that 50 gold is better than 1200 respect.


Based on back then fabulous ghetto , crates 50 gold item used to be equel to 1200 respect items.
And mark answered there should a certain kind of risk .

But future crates item always beat the current respect items ..
So with the 50gp new armored car , what will be the conversion rate now ?
And how much is nerfing PvE farm loot , taken into equation , since DD used to be 15 million .
And farming 45 million is too much a day :p suddenly ....
So what is our allowed farm rate ;)

[Burn]

Any ideas yet on this 2R / 3R weirdness?

[Spartacus]

Any ideas yet on this 2R / 3R weirdness?

Only thing I can think of is that the bonuses don't stack. But that would have to be a bug.

[Max Power]

I thought I remembered someone quoting Mark as having said that the sig bonus doesn't show up in the fight results screen but gets added. If someone wants to test by writing before and after total respect points maybe they can tell if that's true or not.

[Paulio]

Burn, did you use gold to get the golden gun? I, too, focus on rp and this item makes me drool. I told myslef that I wouldn't use gold on these events, but I may have a change of heart.

[Burn]

Paulio, I totally fluked it with 60 Gold. Got to 9 on free, decided I was prepared to drop up to 750 Gold on the Midas, got it on 4th reset.

Please don't chuck a load of Gold at it assuming this was anything other than pure good luck on my part - I already see others saying they dropped a load more and still not got it.

[Burn]

I thought I remembered someone quoting Mark as having said that the sig bonus doesn't show up in the fight results screen but gets added. If someone wants to test by writing before and after total respect points maybe they can tell if that's true or not.

Thx for the tip-off, I'll start tracking this and let you know.

[Paulio]

Burn, thanks for the clarification. I decided that if I do use gold, then I've gotta be committed to spending as much as it takes. Sitting at only 6/10, I'm not sure it's a good investment.

[Dravak]

6/10 paulio really isn't :( , sorry best ods are at 8-9/10 but like burn says , everything is about luck in the end .
Just how much you have to pay for the luck is always unknown .

[jaywalker]

You are doing it wrong:

(RP + Midas) + Sig = 2 RP
(1 + 0,4) + 1 =2,4

I'm quoting myselves and writing what I do so that I have enough text.

/edit: This could be the solution, I'm not saying it 100% certain.

[Burn]

Yep, so how do I get 3R, because I can't find a method that allows me to get 2R and also 3R, and I have had both numerous times.

Unless Midas does not stack with Sig, which would suck.

[Yahkin]

You are assuming that they round up if it's above 2.49. That may not be the case, they may simply fix the result to no decimal places and all remainders are lost.

Sig definitely is being displayed if you have not received any 1RP attacks. I do not have the sig, but do have the midas, and I see 1RP attacks all the time.

Later tonight I'll keep track and let you know what I figure out.

[deuces]

The prize states that the reward is 40% more respect from fights. That 40% should be different for people who currently receive a minimum of 2 RP per fight due to the sig. Since the sig is already part of many peoples inventory, it should be included in the calculation first.

[jaywalker]

The prize states that the reward is 40% more respect from fights. That 40% should be different for people who currently receive a minimum of 2 RP per fight due to the sig. Since the sig is already part of many peoples inventory, it should be included in the calculation first.



Anything is possible.

Quote is from a random question, but it seems to be a frequent answer.

[deuces]

Ya i dunno, i guess its just misplaced faith on my end.

If the event tells me im getting a 40% bonus on respect earned through fights, i'd expect to earn 40% more respect on avg per fight than i was before i had the final item.

[Yahkin]

You are assuming that they round up if it's above 2.49. That may not be the case, they may simply fix the result to no decimal places and all remainders are lost.

Sig definitely is being displayed if you have not received any 1RP attacks. I do not have the sig, but do have the midas, and I see 1RP attacks all the time.

Later tonight I'll keep track and let you know what I figure out.

Over about 100 attacks I have received RP rewards of 1-14, every single one. Which actually confuses the matter more...the math is fishy. Unless the original RP received is not actually an integer.

Here is 140% of various values:

1 = 1.4
2 = 2.8
3 = 4.2
4 = 5.6
5 = 7
6 = 8.4
7 = 9.8
8 = 11.2
9 = 12.6
10 = 14

With rounding I should never receive 2, 5, 9, and 12 RP. Yet I do.
Rounding down I should never receive 3, 6, 10, and 13. Yet I do.

Lucy, you have some splaining to do!

[Luciferianism]

This thing really isn't that great ... it only applies to fights and not robberies. Most people carry zero cash.
Also, it's much harder to attack than to rob.

[Yahkin]

Depends on your goal. RP is worth more than cash IMO, and this boost brings attack xp/rp ratio in line with some of the best buildings. Personally, this will save me time as I will no longer spend hours searching for high RP buildings to rob. Just attack the weaklings in my rival list and stock up on RP weapons.

[Luciferianism]

Just attacked a guy with Midas, got 9 xp and 1 RP. Yeah lame.

[Yahkin]

And I attacked a guy with Midas, got 2 xp and 14 rp. Meh.

[Walter]

I haven't noticed much of a difference yet, either. I've gotten a few 14s, but also a few 1s.....

[Nicholost]

Burn, you'll be happy to know that I actually attacked someone today. Actually, I attacked a lot of people, and competed in TL and Harcores; first time in weeks, if not months. All thanks to my newly acquired Midas. In fact, I made it 75% of the way through level 97 and successfully crossed into level 98 within 12 hours. That's the fastest I've leveled in 4 months. See, I knew you'd be proud. :)

Unfortunately, like others, I see no difference between RP payouts from winning fights before the Midas and after the Midas. My only other two game-modifying weapons are the Dice and Minigun, so those should have no affect on RP payouts. But honestly, I have seen no difference. Then again, I don't have any hard data to backup this claim either. http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/nicklepics/nothing%20of%20use/Emoticons/unamused.gif

[Burn]

Nicholost, you posting claims like that without 'hard data' is akin to Father Xmas pissing on the milk n cookies.

It's frowned upon, and considered out of character.

Please try harder next time.

P.S. Very proud of you re the picking up arms things. Did you have fun though?

[Yahkin]

I provided hard data and noone gave a crap, so I'm up for a video of Father Xmas pissing on the milk n cookies.

[Nicholost]

Nicholost, you posting claims like that without 'hard data' is akin to Father Xmas pissing on the milk n cookies.

It's frowned upon, and considered out of character.

Please try harder next time.

P.S. Very proud of you re the picking up arms things. Did you have fun though?

I know, I know. In a moment of excitement, I dropped the ball and didn't record a thing. And given my absence of moral boundaries, I wouldn't believe me either.

It was fun though. I attacked a lot of people without loss and no-banked the entire time. There's a wake of bodies in my path as evidence of my triumph. Now that I unlocked the Modern Loft, I'm back to crawling. I'll pull the Midas out again when I approach Rock Cafes at level 102. :p


I provided hard data and noone gave a crap, so I'm up for a video of Father Xmas pissing on the milk n cookies.

I would, but NSFW. ;)