Battle points discussions

[Ramshutu]

First post!

So, let's get the ball rolling.

It seems (in first inspection) that the number of battle points earned seem proportional to the defence stats of your oponent, or at least the difference.

One oponent who seems to have retired and had most of units cleared out yeilded 3 points per atk. Someone with far higher stats, yielded 33 or 73 depending on the attack.

I'm noting down numbers and hope to find a more consistent pattern soon.

Unit losses do not seem to have increased any, although I have lots more SFs than I am used to. It could be a statistical fluke, However.

[War Priest]

I get between 100-150 per attack.

[mickymacirl]

Lowest is 32 and highest is 192 so far.

[Mad]

If the person being attacked wins the battle, does he get points?

[Hellstorm]

I attacked three times, won... No points whatsoever. And its updated. Lost over a million worth in units in those three attacks. Pointless

[Hassleham]

I'll test this theory and let you know my results

[Agent Orange]

Seems to always be 182 but it keeps increasing.

[mickymacirl]

WP.. when you play tested did you figure out the leveling system... So theres like 3 levels in each quest.. 1 - Rookie 2. Apprentice and 3 .1st.

[Hassleham]

Right, my attack and defence are 8300/8800.

I attacked someone with att/def 2600/2600 and got:
1 - 65
2 - 65
3 - 65

I then moved on and attacked someone else with 5600/6200 and got:
1 - 35 <<(what?!)
2 - 97
3 - 97
4 - 98
5 - 98

Can't think what could be affecting it without sitting down and doing some calculations.
Would be nice if funzio had come up with some sort of introduction to it.. They didn't even update the help section.

[lanemondo]

just attacked the same person 5 times and got:-

3
6
13
13
13

think its totally random

[bigflan]

Hey have you noticed this but it seems there is three ranks of rank for example for private within that are three ranks so I think we have chance to do it 3 times and after each we earn better rewards huh huh

[Hassleham]

@mondo
What level are you ad what was their stats in comparison to yours?

[lanemondo]

just attacked someone else loads of times:-

60
33
50
83
17
83
122
122
73

????? totally random
now corporal and think the points go up the higher level in the ranking system you are

[Ramshutu]

If it was totally random, you would get a massive spread in points, rather than regularly repeating values.

[lanemondo]

@mondo
What level are you ad what was their stats in comparison to yours?

im level 65 and my stats are 28642 att 28661 def, pretty much nobody close to me. I attacked someone at 19k def and got 3 (when i first started and have just attacked someone with def 3k and got 100 but i have levelled up 3 times in the ranking system so think thats why

[lanemondo]

Hey have you noticed this but it seems there is three ranks of rank for example for private within that are three ranks so I think we have chance to do it 3 times and after each we earn better rewards huh huh

yeah think you're right, looks like Call of Duty online levelling to me. same symbols and eveything

[Taranis73]

Just reached Sargent level and didnt receive the Hardened Marine, seen as i didnt receive the 5 gold for reaching Corporal.

[Dr. Dengus]

I got 1 point initially for raiding a munitions stockpile a second ago, but then the final 2 blows gave me 143 each. Weird.

[Agent Orange]

Now at 275 constantly, these points go up pretty fast my LLP went from 3 to 102 in about 20 attacks.

[Hassleham]

Has anyone attacked another player with a higher ranking than private yet? I was thinking that might make a difference but all the noobs On my list are still privates. Guessing cos 99% or players are dumb and won't even realise there is an update for weeks..

[Luke7676]

After ranking up again. I'm still getting 140 points per attack. But on a side note I'm loveing the valor and cash flow. Just emptied around 15 Stam on a cash cow for close to 4 mil. :) my loses are at minimal again as well.

[Jhoemel]

I got 15 in my first attacks, i change my opponent and i get 80 per attack, i think it corespond the defense of your rival

[Big John]

Not picking up many points today.

How's everybody's losses? Losing loot items and leopard tanks sometimes, average 3 units per battle.

[Jhoemel]

Im only losing one or two units per attack, but some of it are strike eagles and the 300 valor high defense unit

[Hassleham]

I'm getting way less points today compared to yesterday. And losses seem pretty bad, i lost 10 submarines in about 40 -50 raids which is high even for submarines. And also multiple valor units.

It seems to me like they released the update early without even testing it out or thinking twice about how it worked. I reckon it'll take them a few weeks to post an explaination of how it works, let alone fix it properly. So until then i shall be continuing as usual, there's no point in trying to get a really good pvp rank early when it seems like they keep changing the system anyway.

[Freekizh]

This is awesome...been waiting for this.

What are your BP losses like when you lose? I lost 20bp in my first loss, so I went back to zero!

I am so happy I put all my skills in attack!

[Big John]

Details of the changes were supposed to be announced ahead of it starting but it hasn't even been officially announced except a couple of lines in the update.
We have jumped the gun. LOL.

[Hassleham]

This is awesome...been waiting for this.

What are your BP losses like when you lose? I lost 20bp in my first loss, so I went back to zero!

I am so happy I put all my skills in attack!


I don't know, i don't lose ;D
It's strange though, if you lose BP when you lose a fight, it doesn't seem like the enemy gets those points.

The last attack i defended just said "You Won 30000!" but i was expecting to win battle points too.

[Poopenshire]

I had a string of about 10 battles where i got over 175 Battle points yesterday. After that i am averaging about 75 to 85 per fight.

[Agent Orange]

Yup looks like they cranked back the points. Also appears to be tied to the strength of the rival. At first the cash bonus looked like it either was not being added or went straight to my vault. Now I see it outside my vault.

It would be good if we got the points for defending against attacks.

[EnjoyLife]

It would be good if we got the points for defending against attacks.

I agree!!!

[Big John]

I agree!!!
And valor and loot.

[-->FISH<--]

I have tried to hit the same lvl and higher lvls to see if the points are different. I am averaging 80 to 110 if their def is above 20k. I find a lot of people in the 90's with atk/def in the 10k range. Not sure how they enjoy being hammered.

I was going to blow through the early lvls with 200+ each battle but, now it is going to be more like they would like it and it will take along time.

[Big John]

If they cut back on battle points then they should cut back on xp too.

[JMC]

To me it seems like they raised the casualty rates again. They also probably read about venal fights being basically indestructible. Overnight i lost 4 venal fighters, 2 m270 MLRSs, 2 stealth frigates, a stealth surveillance drone and 2 military ambulance from a series of attacks from one guy.

If anything good happens to us free players, we should probably keep it quiet.

[-->FISH<--]

My xp is about the same or lower than before this started.

I just hit someone with 22k def 8 times
xp val bp
1 11 105
11 1 105
16 8 105
4 1 105
4 9 105
10 8 105 *lost mini sub
3 8 105
15 2 105

[Desas]

well... I was corporal yesterday - today I am back to specialist.

Does anyone else have the same "going back" issue?

[-->FISH<--]

well... I was corporal yesterday - today I am back to specialist.

Does anyone else have the same "going back" issue?

I did not get the reward for the private but sent a ticket.

[Big John]

well... I was corporal yesterday - today I am back to specialist.

Does anyone else have the same "going back" issue?
Did you lose any battles? Points are lost if you lose but not sure if you should get demoted, that would be harsh.

[JMC]

There's no issue. If you check again, all rewards have just been upped and all rankings now take much more points to get to now.

[Dantheman300z]

There's no issue. If you check again, all rewards have just been upped and all rankings now take much more points to get to now.

I am guessing I should have stayed up all night instead of sleeping. Now this is gonna take forever.

[Agent Orange]

To me it seems like they raised the casualty rates again. They also probably read about venal fights being basically indestructible. Overnight i lost 4 venal fighters, 2 m270 MLRSs, 2 stealth frigates, a stealth surveillance drone and 2 military ambulance from a series of attacks from one guy.

If anything good happens to us free players, we should probably keep it quiet.

Yeah it seems likewe keep getting screwed.

[Desas]

There's no issue. If you check again, all rewards have just been upped and all rankings now take much more points to get to now.

yep - that seems to be the point

how the hell they released the update which was so "not final"
1 ranks ranges corrected
2 reward units stats changed
3 rewards unit price changed
4 what else will be corected

I am not complaining - it's a nice release, but a bit more QA would be desirable :)

[Warmonger]

This got me attacking again after stopping for weeks due to the ridiculous causality rates. Now they tweaked something and I lose 10 venal fighters in a row and I only had 30, thanks for that funzio. I'm losing more attacking and defence points then I gain by spending respect points so now it's pointless for a high level player to attack unless they are full of gold units. Even on a raid I lose 3 of my best units this games a joke.

[JMC]

Casualty rate is ridiculous, not even close to worth it to attack people. Guess im gonna sit around doing nothing again, unless they fix something.

I lose a venal fighters and 2 valor units every attack, against people a 10th of my strength. Just lost about 185 attack points in 5 fights.

[-->FISH<--]

Ok I don't understand I have been attacking people all last night and this morning and I have lost a mini sub and a flame thrower. Many are talking about the causality rates and I don't see it. Maybe all of the people that have this all figured out don't see their strategies might have to change. If there is one thing I have noticed is when you tell to many people this is how the game works.....THEY CHANGE SOMETHING.......I don't have a special army but, something has changed for many of you guys.

[JMC]

Ok I don't understand I have been attacking people all last night and this morning and I have lost a mini sub and a flame thrower. Many are talking about the causality rates and I don't see it. Maybe all of the people that have this all figured out don't see their strategies might have to change. If there is one thing I have noticed is when you tell to many people this is how the game works.....THEY CHANGE SOMETHING.......I don't have a special army but, something has changed for many of you guys.

How many allies do you have and what level are you?

Whenever someone talks about having a regular casualty rate compared to our ridiculous casualty rates, they are often a low level and/or low ally player, where low casualties are obvious. Either that or you're experiencing the casualty glitch.

There is no strategy that will net a free player few casualties. The only way to do this is to drop all allies, which will give more negative effects than positive.

[JMC]

On top of all that, these *ssholes with the casualty glitch are gonna be attacking even more now, and defending also nets way more losses now.

So far i have yet to see one update or change/tweak in the game, that has not screwed me over. They are quick to fix all the "problems" that help free players, like high cash payouts and venal fighters. Yet they never get to fixing things like, the unfair casualty glitch, the overall casualty rate problem, the ridiculously low PvE payouts on the last 4 maps, lopsided results in events, the fact that the rivals list displays 98% dead players and never takes them off. If this continues im done with the game.

[-->FISH<--]

I am a free player at lvl 94 ....atk/def are both almost 29k
I have 1024 allies
I only buy units that are Strong Against and valor units.
I have 32k valor stored up

Could the strategy about the allies be something they tweaked? Just wondering

[Ryan5100]

I got 15 in my first attacks, i change my opponent and i get 80 per attack, i think it corespond the defense of your rival

I agree with this

[JMC]

Well im not running low allies either, nor are most of the people that are experiencing ridiculous casualty rates.

Let me get this right. Did you just say you attacked ALL NIGHT and you lost a total of 2 units? That sounds like the casualty glitch to me.

If the only units you lost were multiple mini subs and flamethrower troops that would be more reasonable, and just lucky on your part. But if you lost two units total, you have the glitch.

[Desas]

silly question....
how is your rival list? I mean do you see other ranks than private? I am back to corporal now and all I see is privates, wonder if this is display issue or I really have only privates around me.

Also if Funzio would be reading this - would be god idea to show ranks in the allies list also, just to see how your friends are doing

[JMC]

So far i have dropped 450 attack stat today. Got attacked by 2 different people and did 20 attacks myself.

[Desas]

Casualty rate is ridiculous, not even close to worth it to attack people. Guess im gonna sit around doing nothing again, unless they fix something.

I lose a venal fighters and 2 valor units every attack, against people a 10th of my strength. Just lost about 185 attack points in 5 fights.

JMC - it's really so bad up there with the looses?

I have noticed and increased casualty rate for me also - now I loose commando almost every time, and I know they are suppose to be shields but before they were dying like 1 in 7-8 rounds.
Still no big problems with valor unit loses - again I am only L66

[-->FISH<--]

I am a rookie sergeant 21646/44500....I have not seen another rank besides that
All I see on my rivals list are privates that are lvl 94 or 95

[JMC]

JMC - it's really so bad up there with the looses?

I have noticed and increased casualty rate for me also - now I loose commando almost every time, and I know they are suppose to be shields but before they were dying like 1 in 7-8 rounds.
Still no big problems with valor unit loses - again I am only L66

So far today i only did 20 attacks and got attacked by 2 people.

I have lost 5 super hornets, 7 stealth frigates, 16 m270 MLRSs, 8 venal fighters, 5 military ambulances, 3 stealth surveillance drones and 8 SEALs.

The 20 attacks i did do were against people of under 4000 defense stat that actually net me zero casualties about 50% of the time. When they do net casualties, instead of giving 1 death, they give 2-3 every time and it is always a high value unit.

These are my losses since i awoke this morning. I have been awake for an hour and a half. If rates are like this, i cannot survive and this game is over for me. I cannot rebuild as cash units cost too much to rebuild quick enough, and valor is unobtainable. At this rate i will be under 30000 stats in a couple weeks.

[-->FISH<--]

at this lvl 1 out of 5 are 30k atk/def everyone else is 20k or below....I guess its just where I happen to be right now...I don't know what else it could be.

[GhostShot]

the rewards for ranking up is... awful. gold bars are nice but if you're running free, it's not going to do squat but maybe reduce build time by a few hours. the valor and cash rewards are insulting. I can rack up that much in a few hours on my own. unlocking even more expensive valor units? umm... kinda cool, not really, this whole update so far is kind of meh.

oh, and funzio, if you're looking at this, you guys do a really good job with attention to detail as far as military insignia/equipment portrayal in your graphics, gj on that, but the ranks are in army terms while showing marine corps insignia for most of it. you also skipped a few ranks (which isn't a problem), but food for thought.

[-->FISH<--]

I have 1 more stupid question .....What is a venal fighter?....I didn't see them in my units list....I don't have any in my inventory either

[JMC]

I have 1 more stupid question .....What is a venal fighter?....I didn't see them in my units list....I don't have any in my inventory either

A loot unit from caribbean straits with 39 attack and 29 defence.

[-->FISH<--]

Ok im not a farmer so if I had it i would only have a couple. I guess laying low has keeper my missions down and I haven't gotten there yet.