Questions for the $1M/h Players

[dudeman]

This is mainly directed towards the people here who's economy exceeds or will soon exceed $1 million per hour. Just a few questions I've been wondering recently.

Do you all have Nightclubs and/or upgraded Nightclubs?

Have you seen, or do you know of, anyone with an income above $1 million per hour who does not own at least one Nightclub?

When you shift your focus away from upgrading Lofts and MTs, what do you upgrade instead? Upscale Clubs? Condos? Gold buildings?

I'm at the point where my MTs will be done in the near future if I keep going with them, and I should be able to easily afford another upgrade for each of my Lofts, maybe even two more. I haven't given much thought about "what comes next" because it was a long way off, but now it will be time to upgrade something else sooner rather than later. I want to choose upgrades that I can afford, will help get me closer to $500k/h (and eventually $1M), and won't complete while I'm sleeping!

Any advice or constructive input is welcome, but I am hoping to hear from a lot of the people who already have extraordinary economies going. :cool:

[AppleMacGuy]

This is mainly directed towards the people here who's economy exceeds or will soon exceed $1 million per hour. Just a few questions I've been wondering recently.

Do you all have Nightclubs and/or upgraded Nightclubs?

Yes, 2x L3.


Have you seen, or do you know of, anyone with an income above $1 million per hour who does not own at least one Nightclub?

No.


When you shift your focus away from upgrading Lofts and MTs, what do you upgrade instead? Upscale Clubs? Condos? Gold buildings?

Well, in my case I never really had a focus on Lofts and MT - mine are only L3 & L6 respectively. I built Lofts particuarly late in the game. I'm focused on upgrading the top-end 24hr buildings at the moment. I'm just waiting my last hotel L2 upgrade to complete - that upgrade will offically put me in the $1 million/hour club! :D. After that, I'm debating whether to upgrade Offices or Casinos to L2, or go for L4 NC upgrades. :p

[Fricco]

Mac,

are all of your other buildings upgraded at least once ?
PT, RC, G club ?

[dudeman]

Well, in my case I never really had a focus on Lofts and MT - mine are only L3 & L6 respectively. I built Lofts particuarly late in the game. I'm focused on upgrading the top-end 24hr buildings at the moment. I'm just waiting my last hotel L2 upgrade to complete - that upgrade will offically put me in the $1 million/hour club! :D. After that, I'm debating whether to upgrade Offices or Casinos to L2, or go for L4 NC upgrades. :p

That's very interesting, what did you focus on instead of Lofts and MTs? I would like to focus a lot more on upgrading my 24 hour buildings and eventually my Office Buildings too, but my problem is that the first couple upgrades don't take long enough for me to save for the next upgrade. I'll finish doing some lengthy upgrades with a good chunk of banked cash, but I don't want to blow it on the most expensive upgrade available if it means I will have difficulty doing another worthwhile upgrade immediately following the expensive upgrade.

Also, lately I have been thinking that I want to reach $1M/h without the Nightclubs. Mostly to see if it can be done, but if I end up being the first to do it then that's cool. I only need to increase my economy by a little over $630k/h to get there!

[Euchred]

Nightclubs 2 at level 3

When I shifted from MT and lofts I did longer upgardes like the creamatoriums and brownstones as I saved up for nightclubs. I basically went down the money buildings list and followed ROI to a degree. Since then I've been focusing on getting all my gold buildings to level 3. I have one more gentlemans club to go then I might save palm hotels until after my NCs are level 4 or 5.

I'll be at 990k in 20 hours.

[AppleMacGuy]

Mac,

are all of your other buildings upgraded at least once ?
PT, RC, G club ?

None of the 8 hr or 6hrs except NC. Nor Condo or Office.

[AppleMacGuy]

That's very interesting, what did you focus on instead of Lofts and MTs?

Rock Cafes, Churches, Upscales, and Anchor Imports. I think I didn;t like the rather long upgrade times on Lofts in particular, and after getting MTs to L6 it was not worthwhile to upgrade further for me as the contribution to $/hr was negligible...same could be said of Lofts.


I would like to focus a lot more on upgrading my 24 hour buildings and eventually my Office Buildings too, but my problem is that the first couple upgrades don't take long enough for me to save for the next upgrade. I'll finish doing some lengthy upgrades with a good chunk of banked cash, but I don't want to blow it on the most expensive upgrade available if it means I will have difficulty doing another worthwhile upgrade immediately following the expensive upgrade.

I don't worry about that really. I go on the basis that I'll have the money when I'll have it have TBH. Personally, I use 'dead' time to upgrade defence buildings....I got plenty of those lol!


Also, lately I have been thinking that I want to reach $1M/h without the Nightclubs. Mostly to see if it can be done, but if I end up being the first to do it then that's cool. I only need to increase my economy by a little over $630k/h to get there!

That would quite an achievement, and it wil take a while...I'd give yourself a break and get those NCs built and upgrade to L3! :cool:

[dudeman]

I don't really want the NCs because I dislike 6 hour buildings.

I don't know how long I will be willing to crawl along without them though. I'm going to need to do two expansions pretty soon ($20M & $25M), and I currently have two available 8x8 spots that I had planned to use for NCs prior to having the idea of reaching $1M/h without them.

I think I could probably afford my first NC by the time my second Office completes on Friday if I decided to build one. I would have to scrap my current upgrade plan though and go with some cheaper upgrades.

Damn, I started this thread thinking I might get some helpful insight and now I'm thinking I need to rethink my whole plan. Lol.

Thanks for the input guys.

[Whoopdido1980]

I'll be able to start building my first nightclub tonight. My next collection tonight will get me up to $40 million. That'll push my hourly income up to $215K once it's complete.

Should I upgrade my nightclub to level 2 right away BEFORE I build my second one? Is that the "correct" course of action? Assuming I don't collect 100%, it'll take me an extra week or so to collect the extra $28 million to do the upgrade rather than build the second nightclub.

[AppleMacGuy]

I don't really want the NCs because I dislike 6 hour buildings.

Ah, yes that is often quoted statement! In fact, I put off building NCs until the very end for similar thinking (just before Casinos). But, in hindsight, that approach is just plain wrong. The fear of not having a 100% rate should be ignored in favour of being able to collect 2/4 or 3/4 - the income is still substantial. I'm fortunate that I can do 4/4 90% of the time so I get pretty much the max. income benefit.

Something else to consider...currently my 2 x NC L3 contribute 40% of my hourly income...that is a significant income you're missing out on. It's been written many times, mostly by the much missed Tramp Stamp that the NC is the best income building in CC which should be purchased and upgrade to at least L4.


I don't know how long I will be willing to crawl along without them though. I'm going to need to do two expansions pretty soon ($20M & $25M), and I currently have two available 8x8 spots that I had planned to use for NCs prior to having the idea of reaching $1M/h without them.

See above...just...do it...do it, do it...


I think I could probably afford my first NC by the time my second Office completes on Friday if I decided to build one. I would have to scrap my current upgrade plan though and go with some cheaper upgrades.

[QUOTE=dudeman;201760]Damn, I started this thread thinking I might get some helpful insight and now I'm thinking I need to rethink my whole plan. Lol.

Thanks for the input guys.

Well, to balance out, some additional input from some of the other top income guys would be a good read all round. :)

[AppleMacGuy]

I'll be able to start building my first nightclub tonight. My next collection tonight will get me up to $40 million. That'll push my hourly income up to $215K once it's complete.

Should I upgrade my nightclub to level 2 right away BEFORE I build my second one? Is that the "correct" course of action? Assuming I don't collect 100%, it'll take me an extra week or so to collect the extra $28 million to do the upgrade rather than build the second nightclub.

Yes, that is the generally accepted 'correct' sequence...upgrade first then build the other.

[Dreno33]

How come you all resort to longer payout buildings?

Is it ONLY the simple reasoning of preventing more robberies and more convenient playing schedules???

[Fricco]

Damn, I started this thread thinking I might get some helpful insight and now I'm thinking I need to rethink my whole plan. Lol.

Thanks for the input guys.

i refused to build night club due to 6hrs collect, the return was to tempting and i broke down did it about 2 weeks ago, went right to lvl 2 (gave me 525 iph) then did my 20 mil expo, currently sitting on 55 mil will have that banked for Casino 1 (current lvl 176) while doing all this i took both brownstones from lvl 3 to 5 and current project is 2x lvl 2 crem to 3.
i would of gone for NC earlier i had really seen the benefit like i do now.

[Whoopdido1980]

Yes, that is the generally accepted 'correct' sequence...upgrade first then build the other.

Thanks. When did you build your office buildings? I was planning on building 2 office buildings pretty much back to back and THEN build my nightclubs while I'm waiting for the casino and palm hotels to open up. I just got to level 135 yesterday. I had a bunch of money saved up by the time I hit 135, so I just decided to keep going and build the nightclub rather than build 2 office buildings. Now, I'm wondering when I should build the office buildings. After I upgrade the first nightclub but before I build the second, after I've built and upgraded both nightclubs, or just skip them completely and use my money to upgrade as much stuff as possible between now and when the casino opens up?

[AppleMacGuy]

How come you all resort to longer payout buildings?

Is it ONLY the simple reasoning of preventing more robberies and more convenient playing schedules???

Yes and yes...but also they are the best income buildings in the game...NC excepted. Anyway, I have built all of the other worthwhile buildings down to 8hrs also although I haven't started on upgrading any of them yet.

[Dreno33]

Yes and yes...but also they are the best income buildings in the game...NC excepted. Anyway, I have built all of the other worthwhile buildings down to 8hrs also although I haven't started on upgrading any of them yet.

I am going to be camping for a long time. Lvl 8, 30k income. Building first Loft. Should a level the Mts to 10 and Lofts to lvl 8 before NC? or is there a point to hold off on High upgrade costs and hold the millions for my first NC?

Btw, so you don't have to look it up:

M.T. lvl 10 cost: $14.1m
Loft lvl 8 cost: $27.5m
Loft lvl 9 cost: $45.9m

[AppleMacGuy]

Thanks. When did you build your office buildings? I was planning on building 2 office buildings pretty much back to back and THEN build my nightclubs while I'm waiting for the casino and palm hotels to open up. I just got to level 135 yesterday. I had a bunch of money saved up by the time I hit 135, so I just decided to keep going and build the nightclub rather than build 2 office buildings. Now, I'm wondering when I should build the office buildings. After I upgrade the first nightclub but before I build the second, after I've built and upgraded both nightclubs, or just skip them completely and use my money to upgrade as much stuff as possible between now and when the casino opens up?

I built the Offices as soon as I unlocked them. As I'd decided not to build the NCs at that time the Office became the next logical build by default. I'm not a great one for religiously adhering to any prescribed build strategy/procedure too closely...a bit of building/upgrading on a whim is more my style! :D

[erik]

This is mainly directed towards the people here who's economy exceeds or will soon exceed $1 million per hour. Just a few questions I've been wondering recently.

[QUOTE=dudeman;201583]Do you all have Nightclubs and/or upgraded Nightclubs?

Yes, upgraded. MY NCs were most of my gain from the mid 600's to hit 1M.


Have you seen, or do you know of, anyone with an income above $1 million per hour who does not own at least one Nightclub?

No, but that being said, I am sure I would have made it regardless... but it would have definitely taken 30-60 days longer Id guess.


When you shift your focus away from upgrading Lofts and MTs, what do you upgrade instead? Upscale Clubs? Condos? Gold buildings?

I'm at the point where my MTs will be done in the near future if I keep going with them, and I should be able to easily afford another upgrade for each of my Lofts, maybe even two more. I haven't given much thought about "what comes next" because it was a long way off, but now it will be time to upgrade something else sooner rather than later. I want to choose upgrades that I can afford, will help get me closer to $500k/h (and eventually $1M), and won't complete while I'm sleeping!

Any advice or constructive input is welcome, but I am hoping to hear from a lot of the people who already have extraordinary economies going. :cool:

So I think maybe I will group these together and talk a little overall philosophy.

#1 Rule - Never idle - All cues utilized 99% plus. You are building and you are upgrading at all times. Your cash is planned accordingly to make this happen. You can waste under 30 minutes to hit a HUGE collection, or make a large upgrade finish on its collection time.

#2 Rule - Conserve Cash - Your builds (especially the 24hr multiple builds in the early/mid 100s are synced to your 24s and 48s collections. Missle turrets keep this in sync while building cash.) Most of these buildings collect on this timetable as well. Plan your upgrades to finish on or around collections. Chain together 2 or 3 upgrades to make a large upgrade finish just before its collection. Save a robbery. More cash = better upgrades. I may not have the emerald burner, but fees saved to date are massive.

#3 Rule - Ejamakate urself - I have a main spreadsheet of all builds/upgrades sorted by time, then another with all completed weeded out, then tab sorted by ROI, tab by $/hr increase, Overall $ incr. (Do yourself a favor and highlight each time with a different color before sorting.)

The main utilization of this tool is:
1. Find the highest ROI + $/hr marriage and make that my target. As you approach 500k, this will certainly be NCs. Level 2s of Gold buildings and a few other high lvl 2s will jump out as breaks when you are tired of long saving streaks! -- Upgraded NCs allowed me to chain these even with Dice. That was a fun breather.

In between NC upgrades I look for 'cheap' high ROI builds that favor good collection times for me, and target them to fall on collections.

In my earlier game, this scenario would look more like a rotation between Lofts and MTs... always shooting for Lofts, but using MTs for cash building.

#4 Collect. If you don't collect your buildings the vast majority of the time, you may have a problem with your strategy, not to mention a Babytway problem.

A nightclub that gets 3x (2.4x value) collected does not have the same ROI as a 4x collected! If you can not stay up with your stuff most days, then stick to what you can collect and be the smartest, most strategic upgrader of those hours.

I really wish NCs were not 6s. It has actually taken a bit out of my game enjoyment, but I value highest the economic engine, and it is the 'right' choice. And so I most always collect 4x a day unless I am stuck in an event sleep stupor.

#5 Misc - So there is no overall right answer of the 'fallback' building or even the perfect building to stick with because this changes so often based on $/hr, cash on hand/timing/buildings available to construct/collection pref/etc... so really get handy with your sheets. Yesterdays reach is now todays cash builder. I will note buildings that have gotten love along the way - MT, Lofts, NCs, Church, Dominican, Beach24, Brown, Rock, Ups, other Golds, etc.. Mid level 8s can be nice cash builders too.

#6 And - Stop spending your time and money on dumb crap and D upgrades. :)

The irony of that statement kills me.

GL

[deuces]

Whoopdido i had the exact same dilemma and decided to go strictly nightclubs for a while and then build the office buildings after i have both nightclubs to level 3. 2nd one to level 2 is upgrading right now, and it'll be around a week until i save enough to upgrade it to level 3. That'll put my income around 750/800k per hour, and i'll start upgrading all my level 100+ buildings to 2/3 depending on cost and build my office buildings. I'll very slowly save for both of my level 4 nightclub upgrades while doing this hopefully. If im not saving fast enough i plan on taking my movie theaters to 10 from 8 and lofts to 8 or 9 from 7.

[Plux]

I have Nightclubs at level 5 & 4, however according to my ratio's, My Pirate Tavern should be next from level 2 to 3. I have a PT at Level 4 already, Rocks at 3, and mainly everything else at 1, at the moment. Nightclub Level 4-5 falls behind upgrading Rocks, Pirate Tavern (to 3), Hotels, Credit Agencies (Actually quite useful) and eventually the Office Buildings which are poor buildings to upgrade due to cost,time and Build/Income/Revenue ratio's.
Nightclubs to level 3 should be your priority as you halve the time to reach a spot income vs bit increasing the lesser buildings costing you time in the long-run.
Nightclub to Level 2 ASAP! If you build it, the money will come. Patience pays off!
MUI (Marginal Utility of Income) - What is the cost of increasing your Income, time and future use is a factor. Here my Lofts and Movie Theatre consideration is dumped as they are now lower level buildings which just look nice now. Too Long to Upgrade with no real effect on income. Go Long not short!

[erik]

2 more thoughts...

1. When you go NC, commit. Have the engine and determination to go from 1 to 3 on one and again 1 to 3 as others have noted. Make it worth your morning alarm. I think I was around 550k and it was an easy transition.

2. Don't over expand your hood. Stick to small defensive buildings until they are gone. Clear out the trash. Do some planning ahead.

Expansions postpone good upgrades and are often unneccesary.

[deuces]

Erik great post, would you mind sharing the levels of those buildings you listed at the end?

[erik]

Erik great post, would you mind sharing the levels of those buildings you listed at the end?

Sorry man, reply with quotes, I rambled out a bunch of junk in those 2 hehe.

[Whoopdido1980]

I have Nightclubs at level 5 & 4, however according to my ratio's, My Pirate Tavern should be next from level 2 to 3. I have a PT at Level 4 already, Rocks at 3, and mainly everything else at 1, at the moment. Nightclub Level 4-5 falls behind upgrading Rocks, Pirate Tavern (to 3), Hotels, Credit Agencies (Actually quite useful) and eventually the Office Buildings which are poor buildings to upgrade due to cost,time and Build/Income/Revenue ratio's.


So, would you recommend upgrading those other buildings before even building any office buildings, or would you build them, but just not upgrade them until you've upgraded the other ones you listed?

[deuces]

I will note buildings that have gotten love along the way - MT, Lofts, NCs, Church, Dominican, Beach24, Brown, Rock, Ups, other Golds, etc.. Mid level 8s can be nice cash builders too.

GL

@erik. These were the ones i meant.

[Nicholost]

This is a good thread. We haven't had a good CC knowledge dump in some time. Please, continue. We're listening and frantically taking notes.

[Dreno33]

I am going to be camping for a long time. Lvl 8, 30k income. Building first Loft. Should a level the Mts to 10 and Lofts to lvl 8 before NC? or is there a point to hold off on High upgrade costs and hold the millions for my first NC?

Btw, so you don't have to look it up:

M.T. lvl 10 cost: $14.1m
Loft lvl 8 cost: $27.5m
Loft lvl 9 cost: $45.9m

could any of you veterans maybe spare some insight? just curious when it is necessary to hold out and save the extra several millions

[CounterSniper]

This is a good thread. We haven't had a good CC knowledge dump in some time. Please, continue. We're listening and frantically taking notes.

Feeling like the old days aint it?

[Plux]

Whoopdido I'd look at Upgrading your Rock Cafe's first if you're putting off Building that Nightclub. Erik is spot on, Nightclubs create a sort of snowball effect and increase your reach in terms of upgrading. Again, saving short costs you time in the long run until your Nightclub hits level 4. Then it gets to a point where the PT's kick in as most efficient. Then Credit Agencies amazingly. Build your Office Building but only after you've got those Nightclubs sat at level 2. DO NOT Upgrade your Office Building. I forgot the Gents Clubs, those are little gems!

[murf]

Whoopdido I'd look at Upgrading your Rock Cafe's first if you're putting off Building that Nightclub. Erik is spot on, Nightclubs create a sort of snowball effect and increase your reach in terms of upgrading. Again, saving short costs you time in the long run until your Nightclub hits level 4. Then it gets to a point where the PT's kick in as most efficient. Then Credit Agencies amazingly. Build your Office Building but only after you've got those Nightclubs sat at level 2. DO NOT Upgrade your Office Building. I forgot the Gents Clubs, those are little gems!

Plux, what about Palm's, under the way I look at things, I see them as a nice building to upgrade at some point (after NC, RC & GC), any thoughts?

[Fricco]

If your NC are lvl 2, what is the next upgrade to do if you arent ready to save X$ for lvl 3 NC ?

My thought was PT to lvl 2 ?

[jobadass]

Just about ALL of my buildings are at level 1, at least the ones to speak of. I have two RCs, 2 PTs one office bldg, 2 Gents clubs, 1 &1/2 Condos (bldg 2nd) 2 Hotels, and 2 upscales. In briefly going over this thread, I didn't notice anyone mention the Upscale. I was going to make that the 1st upgrade. Bad idea?

[erik]

@erik. These were the ones i meant.

ok cool. The important thing in my method is to assess your current situation against the spreadsheets and know how to make a good choice, using multiple stats, and considering your cash position, cash generation speed, buildings avail, collection times, and upgrade time among others.

For me, the high levels mentioned were a breather after heavy NCing so you could likely assume they could only be 2 or 3.

The others were High ROI cash builders... there is no magic # for what to shoot for.

No one has robbed my full 24/48 run, and only my 12s on an intentional sync... I like a little mystery to my actual building # just for fun ... but I have really laid the strategy itself pretty naked.

#1 thing to do now is to get an excel sheet set up with multiple tabs.

[erik]

If your NC are lvl 2, what is the next upgrade to do if you arent ready to save X$ for lvl 3 NC ?

If you have 2s... 3s are really the answer to this. Sorry :( If you just cant bear to do it again, then stick to ROI perfectly, not considering $/hr. You find quickly find you were saving for those 3s all along ;)

[erik]

could any of you veterans maybe spare some insight? just curious when it is necessary to hold out and save the extra several millions

I can't imagine camping... you will be king of your level, but far behind anyone that starts at the same time as you all things being equal. Although with your increased work hours, and no time wasted PVP, perhaps this is a great choice.

I would say to go for the NC. You will upgrade strictly on High ROI/cheap cash choices along the way... if there are any choices at that level. Stay on that 1 NC til lvl 3, then repeat.

Dont put up yellow wall paper in your gaming room.

[dudeman]

I am beginning to think I've been on the wrong track economy-wise for a while. Now I'm a little bit lost though, because I think I'm going to scrap my current build/upgrade plan but I haven't made plan B yet.

I guess I could (probably) build a Nightclub when Office Building #2 finishes on Friday, upgrade one Dominican to level 7 starting tomorrow, and then do as many of the cheaper upgrades as I can while the NC builds. That leaves me with several options as far as "cheap" and/or quick upgrades go. Several of those options can be dismissed as time wasters, but I am unsure of what to start with when I look at what my "good" options.

[erik]

I am beginning to think I've been on the wrong track economy-wise for a while. Now I'm a little bit lost though, because I think I'm going to scrap my current build/upgrade plan but I haven't made plan B yet.

I guess I could (probably) build a Nightclub when Office Building #2 finishes on Friday, upgrade one Dominican to level 7 starting tomorrow, and then do as many of the cheaper upgrades as I can while the NC builds. That leaves me with several options as far as "cheap" and/or quick upgrades go. Several of those options can be dismissed as time wasters, but I am unsure of what to start with when I look at what my "good" options.

I wouldn't call buying buildings that are not as stellar as a NC a mistake. I think most folks would not have the stamina or encouragement needed for those big saves without an already somewhat established engine.

I will say again... get a sheet set up first, and then begin analyzing what your choices are.

Send me a note with some specifics and I will go over it if you want bro.

[deuces]

I am beginning to think I've been on the wrong track economy-wise for a while. Now I'm a little bit lost though, because I think I'm going to scrap my current build/upgrade plan but I haven't made plan B yet.

I guess I could (probably) build a Nightclub when Office Building #2 finishes on Friday, upgrade one Dominican to level 7 starting tomorrow, and then do as many of the cheaper upgrades as I can while the NC builds. That leaves me with several options as far as "cheap" and/or quick upgrades go. Several of those options can be dismissed as time wasters, but I am unsure of what to start with when I look at what my "good" options.

I started on the nightclubs right around the same income level you did. I got the first one up to level 3 and as i started to save i realized i didnt have any "cheap" upgrades left to do. I hadnt built crems, internets or brownstones yet, so i've gone back and built/upgraded those to a comfortable level whilst saving for nightclub builds/upgrades. I've gone pretty strictly off of roi while doing this, and am chain upgrading each of those buildings listed. I've got my new internets up to 5, 1 brownstone at 4, and once nightclub 2 finishes upgrading to level 2 i'll start on the 2nd brownstone to level 4 from 1.

[jobadass]

could someone please set me straight on my question about the Upscales? I think a <&7mil upgrade, in 18 hours sounds sweet. Is it not?

[Fricco]

could someone please set me straight on my question about the Upscales? I think a <&7mil upgrade, in 18 hours sounds sweet. Is it not?

i thought so too, i went from 1-3 back to back on both upscales.
if you can afford the upgrade and still have money for the next build do it.

[dudeman]

I wouldn't call buying buildings that are not as stellar as a NC a mistake. I think most folks would not have the stamina or encouragement needed for those big saves without an already somewhat established engine.

I will say again... get a sheet set up first, and then begin analyzing what your choices are.

Send me a note with some specifics and I will go over it if you want bro.

There are a couple reasons why I haven't been using my own spreadsheet, but mostly because I prefer to use my iPad for anything CC related. Also, either my computer monitor is funked or I need a new graphics card, but I can't do anything about that for a while.

I have been using a list of owned buildings/current level to keep track of what I have, and I have a bastardized version of the money building spreadsheet for upgrade information. I only pay attention to the upgrade costs, time needed, and incease in $/h though, so that could be one reason why I am starting to feel like I'm crawling. I have always enjoyed the economy aspect of this game, but I have never been great at it!

What sort of specifics would you need if I send any? Owned buildings/current level?

[jobadass]

i thought so too, i went from 1-3 back to back on both upscales.
if you can afford the upgrade and still have money for the next build do it.
Thanks. Gonna upgrade both while my 2nd condo builds. I'll have to save afterwards for another office bldg. NC is not in my near future, I'll only increase my rivals' economy.

[erik]

There are a couple reasons why I haven't been using my own spreadsheet, but mostly because I prefer to use my iPad for anything CC related. Also, either my computer monitor is funked or I need a new graphics card, but I can't do anything about that for a while.

I have been using a list of owned buildings/current level to keep track of what I have, and I have a bastardized version of the money building spreadsheet for upgrade information. I only pay attention to the upgrade costs, time needed, and incease in $/h though, so that could be one reason why I am starting to feel like I'm crawling. I have always enjoyed the economy aspect of this game, but I have never been great at it!

What sort of specifics would you need if I send any? Owned buildings/current level?

Owned buildings, current level. Ill be honest... if you aren't ready to at least put your sheet into a google doc you can access from your ipad, you are never going to fully implement a killer plan.

Send em over!

[erik]

Thanks. Gonna upgrade both while my 2nd condo builds. I'll have to save afterwards for another office bldg. NC is not in my near future, I'll only increase my rivals' economy.

jobadass - This helped fill in some of the holes I would use to make the decision. I would upgrade the rock cafe 2 first, and do ROI best while you save.

[procsyzarc]

This is mainly directed towards the people here who's economy exceeds or will soon exceed $1 million per hour. Just a few questions I've been wondering recently.

Do you all have Nightclubs and/or upgraded Nightclubs?

Have you seen, or do you know of, anyone with an income above $1 million per hour who does not own at least one Nightclub?

When you shift your focus away from upgrading Lofts and MTs, what do you upgrade instead? Upscale Clubs? Condos? Gold buildings?

I'm at the point where my MTs will be done in the near future if I keep going with them, and I should be able to easily afford another upgrade for each of my Lofts, maybe even two more. I haven't given much thought about "what comes next" because it was a long way off, but now it will be time to upgrade something else sooner rather than later. I want to choose upgrades that I can afford, will help get me closer to $500k/h (and eventually $1M), and won't complete while I'm sleeping!

Any advice or constructive input is welcome, but I am hoping to hear from a lot of the people who already have extraordinary economies going. :cool:

I ended up doing nightclubs, have 2 at l3. Avoided them for a long time since I hate 6 hour buildings but worked it out and even at 2.4 collections per day a l2 nightclub was the best investment of107m. I would even bother though unless you level it straight to l2 or 3.

I mostly upgraded gold buildings like rock cafe's and gents clubs for big increases and then with more money palm hotels and finally casinos slotting in condo's and hotels if money was low. L3 seems to be a nice place for most buildings which is where I almost are now so will start pushing l5 soon

[dudeman]

... slotting in condo's and hotels if money was low.

We're not worthy! We're not worthy!

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[Brosiss]

I will eventually update all, regardless

[Hank]

Yes, that is the generally accepted 'correct' sequence...upgrade first then build the other.

I wouldn't put too much stock into that if you have a decent income. when i bought my first night club it took 6 days to save for. In six and a half more days I had enough for the second one. Then like 9 days later I upgraded the first one. I feel like It wouldn't have changed much if I bought the first, then upgraded it before buying the second. I think it would only really make a difference if your income is lower and it took you something like a month to save up for the first one

[slackerboy]

@dudeman, thanks for asking this as I have been in the same boat. Avoiding wanting to build them due to the fact I would never or mostly make all collections. After some pressure and reading this thread, I am thinking yep need to build them.
Even if I only collect 2.4 of the income, the income I do collect far out ways to missed collection and the probably robbery. As been told, building the NC is a game changer for your economy and took me a while to see it, but totally agree.
Kudos to emcee for this, since he should take the credit for helping me come to this decision

[AppleMacGuy]

could someone please set me straight on my question about the Upscales? I think a <&7mil upgrade, in 18 hours sounds sweet. Is it not?

Yes - I ugraded both of mine to L2 asap and later to L3.

[erik]

I wouldn't put too much stock into that if you have a decent income. when i bought my first night club it took 6 days to save for. In six and a half more days I had enough for the second one. Then like 9 days later I upgraded the first one. I feel like It wouldn't have changed much if I bought the first, then upgraded it before buying the second. I think it would only really make a difference if your income is lower and it took you something like a month to save up for the first one

Its great to have that flexibility Hank. I think the point is that you ended up with less cash doing it that way. To each their own though!

[murf]

could someone please set me straight on my question about the Upscales? I think a <&7mil upgrade, in 18 hours sounds sweet. Is it not?

The problem I come across with upgrades with this is the Upscale isn't my #1 priority to upgrade...NC, RC, GC + more (currently saving to build casinos) rank higher to me...and if that's the case, I then choose a cheap, high ROI building to upgrade...I'd rather a long upgrade time, with a high ROI, so it allows me to save for my priority upgrades and is still a good investment.

[dudeman]

Well, I started walking down Nightclub Lane today.

I stopped what had been my plan for the next week or two, and started an upgrade to one of my Dominican Restaurants. That should allow me to finish saving up the $40M by the time my Office is built tomorrow.

No turning back now. It would have been cool to hit $1M/hr without them, but this thread changed my mind. Time to replan everything again. Lol!

Thanks again guys.

[procsyzarc]

Another point too that I just though of is keeping the short upgrade for filling spots can help a lot. Upscale clubs and wholesale warehouses have quite fast upgrade times at earlier levels which can be used to good effect.

For example when building a nightclub and it has 9 hours left to finish building and your upgrade finishes, rather than starting another "real" upgrade which will take 48hours+ and mean your stuck with a L1 nightclub for 37hours you can throw in a quick upscale club upgrade so it finishes as your nightclub finishes building so you can still get stright onto upgrading your nightclub when it finishes while not wasting your valuable upgrade timmer.

[murf]

Another point too that I just though of is keeping the short upgrade for filling spots can help a lot. Upscale clubs and wholesale warehouses have quite fast upgrade times at earlier levels which can be used to good effect.

For example when building a nightclub and it has 9 hours left to finish building and your upgrade finishes, rather than starting another "real" upgrade which will take 48hours+ and mean your stuck with a L1 nightclub for 37hours you can throw in a quick upscale club upgrade so it finishes as your nightclub finishes building so you can still get stright onto upgrading your nightclub when it finishes while not wasting your valuable upgrade timmer.

You guys talk like you have unlimited funds...the $7mm it takes to upgrade the Upscale isn't chump change when you're building your 1st nightclub and saving for its upgrade to L2....most people are only making $300k/hr at that point and your talking about more than 1 days true earnings on a 18hr upgrade....yes it looks great on a $$/hr/upgrade time metric, but if getting your priority upgrades/builds done, I find it very hard to build/upgrade a non-priority that takes longer to save then the time to build (24hr to save, 18hr to upgrade) meaning I have a cash drain, while I'm trying to save for my NC (& other) higher priority upgrades.