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Vartains
04-30-2012, 04:44 PM
Two lvl 1 rock cafe, 2 mt lvl 6, 2 upscale clubs lvl 1, 1 condo lvl 1, 2 Dominicans lvl 6, buying 2x beachside inn and 2 x brownstone next. Have close to 9 mil in the bank what should Do next?

Jazz
04-30-2012, 04:45 PM
Lofts? Got any Lofts?

Vartains
04-30-2012, 04:49 PM
Oh shoot yes 2 of em

Mr BigBenga
04-30-2012, 04:51 PM
What lvl you are

fuzzy
04-30-2012, 04:52 PM
Upgrade the upscales

Giedrius
04-30-2012, 04:55 PM
Forget about beachside inn and brownstone. Allways upgrade end buildings: MT, Lofts. Then your income allows upgrade upscales and Rocks they both very good. Build can wait, but if want to buy, buy second condo.

Jazz
04-30-2012, 05:04 PM
Upscales! Upgrade them!

Vartains
04-30-2012, 05:16 PM
Upgrade for rock is 15 mil... Still not enough money. @rik I'm lvl 115

Vartains
04-30-2012, 05:17 PM
Where can i find out How much is the upgrade for the upscale each time?

Jazz
04-30-2012, 05:19 PM
Spreadsheets. Gotta love these spreadsheets...

Vartains
04-30-2012, 05:59 PM
Oh I guess 10 mil go by fast upgrading buildings

jmeijer
04-30-2012, 06:00 PM
Where can i find out How much is the upgrade for the upscale each time?6,680,000.

kinghansen
04-30-2012, 06:01 PM
I would upgrade your lofts as much as possible

ShawnBB
04-30-2012, 06:07 PM
Two lvl 1 rock cafe, 2 mt lvl 6, 2 upscale clubs lvl 1, 1 condo lvl 1, 2 Dominicans lvl 6, buying 2x beachside inn and 2 x brownstone next. Have close to 9 mil in the bank what should Do next?

I'm wondering what were you building when you below lvl 80.
Shouldn't beachside inn and brownstone be fully built around lvl 60?


Unlock at lvl39 for inn, unlock at lvl51 for brownstone.

kinghansen
04-30-2012, 06:14 PM
I'm wondering what were you building when you below lvl 80.
Shouldn't beachside inn and brownstone be fully built around lvl 60?


Unlock at lvl39 for inn, unlock at lvl51 for brownstone.

Both of those building arent anything special, I wouldnt be in too much of a rush to build them.

Vartains
04-30-2012, 06:53 PM
I had two inns and two brownstones, they felt victim to a boredom mass delete. Now my income per h has gone down a lot

ShawnBB
04-30-2012, 07:24 PM
I had two inns and two brownstones, they felt victim to a boredom mass delete. Now my income per h has gone down a lot


Sorry about the previous post, I felt my space is quite abundant after deleting 10+ low lvl unlock trash buildings.
Ya, you should definitely build them back if space is enough. But since your income is relatively high to those two mid game buildings, burn your money on upgrading the upscale clubs while building them.


Both of those building arent anything special, I wouldnt be in too much of a rush to build them.
Beachside Inn is a little worse compare to Dominic restaurant,but it is still a superior building in general.
IpH/ROI ratio is actually quite good. So after lvl39, players should be in a rush to build it.

emcee
04-30-2012, 07:46 PM
You are already 1/4 way to a night club. The opportunity cost of not having the best income building in the game is immense. The argument that all the money sitting around not being utilized because it isn't earning interest (ie upgrading a high payout building) does not make sense as there is nothing to stop you from upgrading a laundromat, ice cream shop, italian restaurant and/or souvenir store, for instance.

ShawnBB
04-30-2012, 08:54 PM
You are already 1/4 way to a night club. The opportunity cost of not having the best income building in the game is immense. The argument that all the money sitting around not being utilized because it isn't earning interest (ie upgrading a high payout building) does not make sense as there is nothing to stop you from upgrading a laundromat, ice cream shop, italian restaurant and/or souvenir store, for instance.


Emcee, good to see you pop up in Econ threads:)

Have you discussed in any threads about when is the proper time to save up for the nightclub?
I'm right now upgrading both lofts to 4 and will bump up my two upscales to lvl2 after a little save. IpH will be 110000 by then.
Is that enough? Or have to wait to lvl 90 and 100+ to have more hardcore high class luxury buildings?

Cloud4201
04-30-2012, 09:06 PM
I started saving for my first nightclub at $110k/hr. And went for the level 2 upgrade immediately.

ShawnBB
04-30-2012, 09:46 PM
I started saving for my first nightclub at $110k/hr. And went for the level 2 upgrade immediately.

LoL, do you know how much lvl 2 upgrade cost? 40m X 5/3, that's 66m.
The build time is 144 hours,which means you need a 66m/144= 460k iph to upgrade instantly after lvl 1 is built.
66m/140k IpH = 19 days to save up instead of "immediately".
I just did a simple calculation, you need a roughly 270K IpH (240k before built) to build the second nightclub right after the first one is done.

Guess I'll wait my nc plan till Im in the 200K iph area.

emcee
04-30-2012, 10:24 PM
Emcee, good to see you pop up in Econ threads:)

Have you discussed in any threads about when is the proper time to save up for the nightclub?
I'm right now upgrading both lofts to 4 and will bump up my two upscales to lvl2 after a little save. IpH will be 110000 by then.
Is that enough? Or have to wait to lvl 90 and 100+ to have more hardcore high class luxury buildings?

Thanks Shawn.

I haven't gone into any depths regarding when its best to save up for a night club as my tortoise thread was primarily geared towards new players.

I started saving for my first night club when I was around 60k/hr. I recall being at level 7 and it took about a month to save and build at level 8. The beauty of low levels buying nc is that in my situation for instance I needed to only outfit a mob of 40 to prevent losing to attacks or robberies. However, in actuality I didn't even get close to top cash items as my defense buildings were more than adequate.

In comparison my level 57 account took longer to build a nc even though that account started weeks before the tortoise account and has every income building except for 2 magic playhouse (76 total). The level 8 account had 32 buildings total including 2 ice cream shops prior to nc build. Even though there are less buildings earning income the money I save from not outfitting my mob, land expansions, some banking late last year and purchasing more defense buildings was all funneled back into my economy. As a result the nc was built first on lvl 8 account and hence income per hour is greater. The level 57 will never surpass economy on my level 8 account unless I make a break for level 185 to unlock casinos.

Income/hr is probably not a clear indicator of when is the best time to save up for a nc. No loses to attacks or robberies and no banking made it easy for me with about 60k to get one. It all depends on how much you have invested in your inventory to ward of rivals and or prevent banking.

A nc cost 40 mil for me but someone at higher levels will cost 44 mil as they would have to bank. My advise is if you can save enough to buy one in less than a month then absolutely go for it. I always find it shocking reading about someone over level 100 who can buy a nc in less then 10 days and choose not to.

By virtue of the fact that I don't need to contend with rivals at level 8, I am pretty confident that most non gold players who started at around the same time as me (Nov 24, 2011) and had a very aggressive playing style and decided to level as quick as possible to unlock all income buildings will most likely have a lower economy than my level 8 account. Even gold players may be surpassed especially if they choose to buy all gold buildings up to level 184 and choose to ignore night clubs.

The level of your lofts and movie theaters are important to a degree. It depends on what level you are and other buildings you have in play. The best is to look at the CC ios money building spreadsheet and look at the $/hr gain and ROI hours column to determine if an upgrade is worthwhile. If a more costly upgrade takes 50 days to get a return on your investment and you can build a nc in 30 then its not a good idea to go for that upgrade even if $/hr gain is pretty high. I would recommend instead to upgrade a lower cost A type building like a laundromat, italian restaurant or souvenir store instead. The ultimate economy goal for all players is to buy a nc as soon as possible. They are a game changer.

ShawnBB
05-01-2012, 11:04 PM
Thanks Shawn.

I haven't gone into any depths regarding when its best to save up for a night club as my tortoise thread was primarily geared towards new players.

I started saving for my first night club when I was around 60k/hr. I recall being at level 7 and it took about a month to save and build at level 8. The beauty of low levels buying nc is that in my situation for instance I needed to only outfit a mob of 40 to prevent losing to attacks or robberies. However, in actuality I didn't even get close to top cash items as my defense buildings were more than adequate.

In comparison my level 57 account took longer to build a nc even though that account started weeks before the tortoise account and has every income building except for 2 magic playhouse (76 total). The level 8 account had 32 buildings total including 2 ice cream shops prior to nc build. Even though there are less buildings earning income the money I save from not outfitting my mob, land expansions, some banking late last year and purchasing more defense buildings was all funneled back into my economy. As a result the nc was built first on lvl 8 account and hence income per hour is greater. The level 57 will never surpass economy on my level 8 account unless I make a break for level 185 to unlock casinos.

Income/hr is probably not a clear indicator of when is the best time to save up for a nc. No loses to attacks or robberies and no banking made it easy for me with about 60k to get one. It all depends on how much you have invested in your inventory to ward of rivals and or prevent banking.

A nc cost 40 mil for me but someone at higher levels will cost 44 mil as they would have to bank. My advise is if you can save enough to buy one in less than a month then absolutely go for it. I always find it shocking reading about someone over level 100 who can buy a nc in less then 10 days and choose not to.

By virtue of the fact that I don't need to contend with rivals at level 8, I am pretty confident that most non gold players who started at around the same time as me (Nov 24, 2011) and had a very aggressive playing style and decided to level as quick as possible to unlock all income buildings will most likely have a lower economy than my level 8 account. Even gold players may be surpassed especially if they choose to buy all gold buildings up to level 184 and choose to ignore night clubs.

The level of your lofts and movie theaters are important to a degree. It depends on what level you are and other buildings you have in play. The best is to look at the CC ios money building spreadsheet and look at the $/hr gain and ROI hours column to determine if an upgrade is worthwhile. If a more costly upgrade takes 50 days to get a return on your investment and you can build a nc in 30 then its not a good idea to go for that upgrade even if $/hr gain is pretty high. I would recommend instead to upgrade a lower cost A type building like a laundromat, italian restaurant or souvenir store instead. The ultimate economy goal for all players is to buy a nc as soon as possible. They are a game changer.


Marvelous insight! I'm actually shocked after reading this post!

I upgraded building according to their IpH / ROI ratio. which is different from all the ppl here, and it is working very well. Because its not only payback fast,but also provide IpH strongly. And a lot of buildings are simply not worth to upgrade after a certain level due to the ratio is too low.

So I went over TS's money building list and sorted by ROI.
Lvl 2 NC has the lowest ROI which is 1202 hours. I will upgrade the major high quality building(high ratio) before the 1202 ROI and start saving for NC.

Right now I'm lvl80,100 mafia with a "fake" 7000 defense. Rarely got attacked. And walking around with no banking at all.
Seems like I'm at the perfect spot for saving,right?
Thank you Again for the enlighten. Add me if you like.

BudMan
05-02-2012, 02:41 AM
I started saving for my first nightclub at $110k/hr. And went for the level 2 upgrade immediately.

Just to segway off this... I spent 2-3 months saving up for a nightclub, it took me about a 1/3rd of the time to buy a second after that. It also took about 3/4 more time to get to 1m a day than to 7m a day after buying those two buildings.

2x
----
Nightclub lvl 1
Condos lvl 1
Rock Club lvl 1
Loft lvl 4&5
Movie Theater lvl 7
Church lvl 4
Upscale Club lvl 2
Wedding Chapel lvl 4
Pirate Bar lvl 1
Ice Cream Shop lvl 10
Plus about 40 more buildings
Next Level Expansion: $30,000,000

BudMan
05-02-2012, 02:47 AM
...Level 117...

ShawnBB
05-02-2012, 05:10 AM
...Level 117...

What was your hood like before the first nc built? 2-3 month save,wow

BudMan
05-02-2012, 07:36 AM
What was your hood like before the first nc built? 2-3 month save,wow

I think i was on the $15m expansion. I was making just shy of $1m a day. I relied mainly on lofts, movie theaters and a bunch of well leveled up 3hr buildings. Things snowballed after getting the first NC. Bought a bunch of turrets and leveled them up. Bought several $2m+ buildings after that too.

BudMan
05-02-2012, 07:40 AM
Plus since my income was low enough where it took me that much time to build my first, after i did it catapulted my income. I was able to backtrack and level up my previous high income buildings even faster

ShawnBB
05-02-2012, 09:00 AM
Plus since my income was low enough where it took me that much time to build my first, after i did it catapulted my income. I was able to backtrack and level up my previous high income buildings even faster

How do you deal with the weak stats once you jumped your mafia to 300?
It took you almost another month to save for the second nc.
During that time, nc probably will be robbed everytime, and countless stalkers will be there beat the crap out of you. Is that true?
I'm still not sure if I can handle the pressure at 300 mafia size during the saving for the second nc :(

jaywalker
05-02-2012, 09:08 AM
How do you deal with the weak stats once you jumped your mafia to 300?
It took you almost another month to save for the second nc.
During that time, nc probably will be robbed everytime, and countless stalkers will be there beat the crap out of you. Is that true?
I'm still not sure if I can handle the pressure at 300 mafia size during the saving for the second nc :(

You jump down to 100 or so and get other people to add YOU instead. Or you mass add a day or so before you build your second.

ShawnBB
05-02-2012, 09:22 AM
You jump down to 100 or so and get other people to add YOU instead. Or you mass add a day or so before you build your second.
Damn, that's painful. Jump to 300, drop back to 100 and add back to 300.
It took me 2 months to gather 200 requests...

tempt
05-02-2012, 09:51 AM
Damn, that's painful. Jump to 300, drop back to 100 and add back to 300.
It took me 2 months to gather 200 requests...

There are a few website that collects and posts CC IDs, so you can easily bulk up your mafia count in short burst. The pain is in the removing mafia...one at a time. ugh.

Sasha54
05-02-2012, 10:20 AM
Marvelous insight! I'm actually shocked after reading this post!

I upgraded building according to their IpH / ROI ratio. which is different from all the ppl here, and it is working very well. Because its not only payback fast,but also provide IpH strongly. And a lot of buildings are simply not worth to upgrade after a certain level due to the ratio is too low.

So I went over TS's money building list and sorted by ROI.
Lvl 2 NC has the lowest ROI which is 1202 hours. I will upgrade the major high quality building(high ratio) before the 1202 ROI and start saving for NC.

Right now I'm lvl80,100 mafia with a "fake" 7000 defense. Rarely got attacked. And walking around with no banking at all.
Seems like I'm at the perfect spot for saving,right?
Thank you Again for the enlighten. Add me if you like.

Shawn - when you say you used the IpH ROI - but most people don't - I'm not sure what you mean. I thought that a lot of people here followed Tramp Stamps philosophy on this.
I'm at level 86 - just finished an Upscale NC and am now going back to upgrade my MT's (currently both lvl 3) and then my Lofts (both lvl 2)
does this sound like a good strategy or should I re-visit TS's posts?

thanks

Bala82
05-02-2012, 12:29 PM
Sasha

I have had a look at your hood it looks great :)

ShawnBB
05-02-2012, 12:43 PM
There are a few website that collects and posts CC IDs, so you can easily bulk up your mafia count in short burst. The pain is in the removing mafia...one at a time. ugh.


Thanks, I will try flood my id everywhere online,:). Building nc is hell of a huge project.

Plux
05-02-2012, 12:52 PM
I'm going to go against the grain here and say save and upgrade your Rock Cafe to level 2. My MUI ratio's give you greater reward faster saving, gaining income and getting that Rock Cafe doubling your income, $10k per hr increase and fast. Your Lofts and MT's will become defunct in the not too distant future, your Rocks will be valuable so save now, it'll save you time later! MUI vs ROI, MUI always wins!
PS Why not stay at less Mafia??? Why jump back up?????? Mad!

ShawnBB
05-02-2012, 01:03 PM
Shawn - when you say you used the IpH ROI - but most people don't - I'm not sure what you mean. I thought that a lot of people here followed Tramp Stamps philosophy on this.
I'm at level 86 - just finished an Upscale NC and am now going back to upgrade my MT's (currently both lvl 3) and then my Lofts (both lvl 2)
does this sound like a good strategy or should I re-visit TS's posts?

thanks


http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?24286-Internet-company..upgrade-worth-it-long-term

Here is the explanation of what IpH/ROI is. It is completely complying TS's suggestion.
Mt becomes marginal after lvl6 and loft after lvl 4 (if you are a gold buyer).
For a free player, there really is no other choice... Except saving for NC.

BudMan
05-02-2012, 06:59 PM
Honestly I have taken a beating over all this time. My win/loss ratio would be ludacris to most but I actually don't care that much. My plan is just to have an insane economy then gear up like mad when I feel the time is right. I'm rather on the ball when it comes to collecting on the time. My NC's usually get robbed once a day when I'm sleeping. Although I did buy and upgrade a bunch of Gatling turrets and farm bomb suits from Empire Central Station. Great drop ratio considering their stats. That dramatically helped my robbery prevention. I'm just holding at 300 mafia, down from 500 before I understood how this game works. Just saying, I just read a thread about level 200 players seeking advice about getting to $1m a day. I'm ringing in $7m. Think how quickly I can stock up on Katanas compared to them 83 levels lower :)

CounterSniper
05-02-2012, 07:35 PM
Honestly I have taken a beating over all this time. My win/loss ratio would be ludacris to most but I actually don't care that much. My plan is just to have an insane economy then gear up like mad when I feel the time is right. I'm rather on the ball when it comes to collecting on the time. My NC's usually get robbed once a day when I'm sleeping. Although I did buy and upgrade a bunch of Gatling turrets and farm bomb suits from Empire Central Station. Great drop ratio considering their stats. That dramatically helped my robbery prevention. I'm just holding at 300 mafia, down from 500 before I understood how this game works. Just saying, I just read a thread about level 200 players seeking advice about getting to $1m a day. I'm ringing in $7m. Think how quickly I can stock up on Katanas compared to them 83 levels lower :)

Sorry Budman that thread is about 1 million per hour, 24 million per day.

BudMan
05-02-2012, 08:24 PM
Sorry Budman that thread is about 1 million per hour, 24 million per day.

D'oh! Misread it I guess haha. I thought that seemed strange

CounterSniper
05-02-2012, 08:32 PM
D'oh! Misread it I guess haha. I thought that seemed strange

It happens to us all brah!, No worries!

emcee
05-02-2012, 09:00 PM
Marvelous insight! I'm actually shocked after reading this post!

I upgraded building according to their IpH / ROI ratio. which is different from all the ppl here, and it is working very well. Because its not only payback fast,but also provide IpH strongly. And a lot of buildings are simply not worth to upgrade after a certain level due to the ratio is too low.

So I went over TS's money building list and sorted by ROI.
Lvl 2 NC has the lowest ROI which is 1202 hours. I will upgrade the major high quality building(high ratio) before the 1202 ROI and start saving for NC.

Right now I'm lvl80,100 mafia with a "fake" 7000 defense. Rarely got attacked. And walking around with no banking at all.
Seems like I'm at the perfect spot for saving,right?
Thank you Again for the enlighten. Add me if you like.

I should preface that my experience is based on lvl 8 and 57 accounts. As more buildings come into play especially higher payout gold one like gents club and pirate tavern, strategies may be adjusted. I don't concentrate strictly on ROI. For me its an easy decision. Build nc as soon as humanly possible. It may take north of 50 days to get ROI on these for instance but keep in mind its a heavy investment that pays off handsomely thereafter. When nc are the best income buildings in the game ROI should almost be an afterthought. Lvl 1-3 upgrade is a no brainer but further comparison of available buildings is key especially if you are a high level player. At level 8 its a no brainer as I don't have access to many options.
I regret upgrading some of my buildings for my lvl 57 account, namely; lvl 2 beach nightclub, lvl 2 brownstone, lvl 2 internet company etc. I should have just upgraded type A buildings, delayed building some of these type Bs which necessitated hood expansion. I would have had 2 nc by now if I stuck with that plan instead.
If hood expansions are in the millions its best to start saving for nc asap. The spreadsheets don't factor in the cost of selling type A buildings to make room for new type B buildings and cost of expansion. You will need many many buildings to generate the income of a lvl 2 nc. So we can factor in ROI but it becomes counterproductive once hood expansion or selling income buildings is considered. NC take 8x8 space. Nothing comes close once you factor that into the calculation as well.

Shawn, I've sent a mob invite. Look for Miguel level 57.

Cheers

Vartains
05-03-2012, 01:55 PM
Money buildings
Two lvl 1 rock cafe, 2 mt lvl 6, 2 upscale clubs lvl 1, 1 condo lvl 1, 2 Dominicans lvl 6, 2x lofts lvl 2. (one currently updating). This are the only money buildings I have. Currently lvl 117. What should I do next? Thinking about upgrading the upscales, but what should I build next?

Vartains
05-07-2012, 11:39 AM
Update on buildings, I'm currently completely out of money.
1 Condo lvl 1
2 Upscale lvl 2
2 Mt lvl 6
2 Loft lvl 2
2 Dominican lvl 6

Going to start saving to build my next condo. Also need to save to get equipment to start farming black market tomorrow

Vartains
05-07-2012, 12:05 PM
Only 60 k income, since I don't plan to save for nightclub Until i hit 150k makes me wonder how long it will take.