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Justintubbs01
04-23-2012, 01:17 AM
Had 9 Credit Cards with over 2 days to go and did not get the 10th, opened at least 100+ boxes successfully and nothing to show for. I know its part of the game, but that probability rate is pretty crazy. less than 1% or my luck just sucks lol. Also, they are rolling out another event soon, these events need to be spaced out some more. it's just getting a little old. The only reason they keep rolling out these events so soon is because they are cash cows for Funzio. I would have to say, I do love the game but some of their business strategies are getting a little obnoxious.

DenZ1
04-23-2012, 01:43 AM
Had 9 Credit Cards with over 2 days to go and did not get the 10th, opened at least 100+ boxes successfully and nothing to show for. I know its part of the game, but that probability rate is pretty crazy. less than 1% or my luck just sucks lol. Also, they are rolling out another event soon, these events need to be spaced out some more. it's just getting a little old. The only reason they keep rolling out these events so soon is because they are cash cows for Funzio. I would have to say, I do love the game but some of their business strategies are getting a little obnoxious.

I'm on the same page.

Jamievs
04-23-2012, 01:44 AM
Had 9 Credit Cards with over 2 days to go and did not get the 10th, opened at least 100+ boxes successfully and nothing to show for. I know its part of the game, but that probability rate is pretty crazy. less than 1% or my luck just sucks lol. Also, they are rolling out another event soon, these events need to be spaced out some more. it's just getting a little old. The only reason they keep rolling out these events so soon is because they are cash cows for Funzio. I would have to say, I do love the game but some of their business strategies are getting a little obnoxious.

Same here bro.. It sucks BIGTIME to have such a long streak of nothing in the ATM while having 9/10 CC's :mad:

Shoes
04-23-2012, 01:46 AM
+1 this is frustration city

Jess@ishoejby.dk
04-23-2012, 01:49 AM
the first 2 days i got 9 credit card and i was thinking YES, but zero the last 3 days. 9/10 credit card.

Nudie
04-23-2012, 01:54 AM
Many of us in the same boat but there has been a few lucky ones who got all 10. I wasn't one of the lucky ones but at least I kept my wits and did not use any gold on this event.

xXSycoXx
04-23-2012, 02:04 AM
What a pile of crap. Had 8 CC within the 1st day then nothing and i opened 20 day a complete joke IMO

dudeman
04-23-2012, 02:08 AM
I have been in this situation before. With the Diamond Sig (round 2, HD only) I had 9 Damonds for a week. Well over 100 successful opens (96 in the last few hours), no 10th Diamond. The only person with worse luck than that is Whoopdidoo, and I argue that my luck was worse because at 9, the 10th is just dangling there in front of you. At least at 8 (like Whoop had), you can give up hope before the last second ticks down and the app crashes.

In complete contrast to that, I was one of the really lucky people this event. I got the Bank Buster with 3 days 3 hours left to the event, and I didn't spend one bit of gold to get it. I have only seen one person so far who had better luck than me. Euchred got it before I did, also no gold spent (correct me if wrong), and he got Cards 8, 9, and 10 back-to-back-to-back.

The luck factor with these events does work both ways. Just try to make the happy feeling from winning last longer than the disappointed feeling of not winning.

doinkent
04-23-2012, 03:10 AM
What a pile of crap. Had 8 CC within the 1st day then nothing and i opened 20 day a complete joke IMO
this, hurts epecially when you do the effort

jaywalker
04-23-2012, 03:27 AM
For some people to get 10/10, someone have to get 0/200 :)
I have never gotten higher than 9th in an event, but you still get freebies... And you can, as many others, choose NOT to use gold. Not sure if you know it, but you do have a choice.

mnju_03
04-23-2012, 03:43 AM
For some people to get 10/10, someone have to get 0/200 :)
I have never gotten higher than 9th in an event, but you still get freebies... And you can, as many others, choose NOT to use gold. Not sure if you know it, but you do have a choice.

You beat me to the punch, early bird gets the worm. Lol
I was lucky in this, 10 on mnju03 9 on Michael with a lot of other loot instead of bank buster.
Let's face it, you can earn skill points easily for free anyways, certain loot...
Like RP is a nice gold/loot...

Dangerous Greg
04-23-2012, 05:17 AM
What a pile of crap. Had 8 CC within the 1st day then nothing and i opened 20 day a complete joke IMO
My exact experience. I opened 115 spending gold to get my 9th card but it never happened. I won't do it again.

Hey, I bet we can file a small claims court action against them on the grounds that there was no realistic chance that we were ever going to open a box and get a cc. This way they would HAVE to state what the chances really were! Since they don't state but imply that it is possible to realistically open an ATM to get a card, they would have to state the probability. Really that's all I want to know...what were MY chances because I think my chances with 290 unopened ATMs was less than 1%. If so, a judge would consider that unrealistically low and maybe I can get my money back for all the gold I bought to get NOTHING! Very short-sighted on Finzio's part to build output algorithms that would leave their players so frustrated and upset.

Dangerous Greg
04-23-2012, 05:27 AM
For some people to get 10/10, someone have to get 0/200 :)
I have never gotten higher than 9th in an event, but you still get freebies... And you can, as many others, choose NOT to use gold. Not sure if you know it, but you do have a choice.

Yes, you have a choice and you make that choice to spend gold believing there is a reasonable chance of success based on real and perceived outcomes. IF the odds of opening are extremely rare or unlikely for a given player and he is not aware of how the cards are stacked against him/her then the user is not making an informed choice. With over 115 boxes opened without a CC I believe that my chances were far less than others. I bought gold with the belief that my chances were the same as others and all I needed to do was work harder and spend money to get what I wanted. Looking at other peoples success lead me to believe that I could get what I wanted. 115 attempts!!! I was willing to pay THAT price with a reasonable expectation of success!!! The fact that so many others were able to get the FINAL goal much easer than that effort tells me that the odds are NOT the same. That makes it wrong In my opinion.

Sav Clarke
04-23-2012, 06:16 AM
Dangerous Greg

I have seen a lot of your posts about your plight to get the CC's and I have to say that I'm in 100% agreement with what you have stated. Some people get to 10 without issues and the rest struggle to get anywhere near it.

Burn
04-23-2012, 06:38 AM
Events are a game of chance, a game that at very least gives you free stuff.

What exactly have you got to complain about?

Three options...

1. Take part for free and get nice crate-level items for zero cost.

2. Take part, get crate items, and use Gold to try and get the end-item if necessary. There are no guarantees, it is luck, all you are doing by buying Gold is increasing your opens and increasing your odds. It is still a gamble - with NO GUARANTEE

3. Don't take part at all.


If you choose Option 2, it is your own choice. There is no-one to blame but yourself if the gamble fails.

Dipstik
04-23-2012, 06:45 AM
Yes Greg, you can sue. You'll lose, but you can sue for anything.

Whoopdido1980
04-23-2012, 06:59 AM
Of course you're right. It's just frustrating though. Going 0 for 5 just eats at me. And it's not like I've half-assed either. Granted I'm not waking up in the middle of the night but I'm still making 15 plus attempts a day. Plus each event has been exactly the same. I've failed in 5 identical events now. It's very frustrating. Let's just say I'm not looking forward to "this week's event" whatsoever.

Max Power
04-23-2012, 07:20 AM
I have received 2 of the 5 grand prizes. I have learned some things:

1. If you want any realistic chance at the grand prize, you will probably have to spend some gold.

2. Spending gold will still not guarantee tha grand prize

3. Every time there is an event launched, there will be multiple threads just like this, just like clockwork.

Mr BigBenga
04-23-2012, 07:22 AM
Yeah, to get to 10 was very hard.

In my rival list i saw at least 90% of them have the Strike truck, but not the bank buster.

Burn
04-23-2012, 07:39 AM
What Max said.

I only have the Sig and the Dice from the events.

But i have sh!tloads of good items that i would not have if the events didn't take place.

Stop p!ssing on Funzios shoes. These events are great. And of course they need to get you close to 10, it is that final push that is most likely to get you to spend on Gold. It is your greed they are banking on.

Bottom line: If you go into the event expecting nothing, you'll always be happy with the free stuff you do yet.

If you get greedy and expect too much, you will usually end up disappointed, out of pocket, or both.

P.S. Still p!ssed about the 'secrecy' of the specific benefits of the Bank Buster. But that's another story.

blondealex
04-23-2012, 07:45 AM
http://jdc325.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/cow-with-mastitis.jpg

Udder Frustration

Dangerous Greg
04-23-2012, 07:54 AM
Events are a game of chance, a game that at very least gives you free stuff.

What exactly have you got to complain about?

Three options...

1. Take part for free and get nice crate-level items for zero cost.

2. Take part, get crate items, and use Gold to try and get the end-item if necessary. There are no guarantees, it is luck, all you are doing by buying Gold is increasing your opens and increasing your odds. It is still a gamble - with NO GUARANTEE

3. Don't take part at all.


If you choose Option 2, it is your own choice. There is no-one to blame but yourself if the gamble fails.

There are other options. If I believed that the odds of successful opening were constant for all players, then what you say can summarize a reasonable position. If jhowever,the game has "shifting" odds of success that is player input dependent, then the game is "rigged". Rigged isn't a good word because the connotations are not exactly correct but is is close to my meaning.

What I believe after my experiences as well as some other's, is that my chance of success was NOT the same because I am an aggressive player. Well, that isn't fair in my opinion. And there are options at (all of our) disposal to correct this or at least make Funzio state the chances. Otherwise, I still can compile information and publish my findings myself so players know EXACTLY what their chances are and what the favors are that contribute to those chances.

Rhino72
04-23-2012, 07:57 AM
Burn + Max very well said.

Dangerous Greg
04-23-2012, 08:01 AM
Yes Greg, you can sue. You'll lose, but you can sue for anything.

Sometimes even if you lose you can win. That is what I am going for. I am going to find out if the odds for me to successfully get my target was different than another player trying to achieve the same goal. If it is different (and I already know that it is different) then I have a case. BTW, I don't lose very often. I wouldn't bet against me if after I finish my research I decide to take action. Ironically, Funzio can actually make more money if they do what would be acceptable. They would have fewer players that feel like the game is rigged and there would be less frustration. It would be a win for everyone.

Sasha54
04-23-2012, 08:15 AM
When I was a child - my friends all had a bike but I didn't:mad:

I've learned from that - life is unfair - you aren't serious about the lawsuit are you?

This is a game - you decide to play or not and whether you want to spend RM or not - it's supposed to be fun and if the events frustrate you then what's the point of playing them.
I think there are other issues that Funzio may or may not be working on to everyone's satisfaction - but not everything is bad.....

Burn
04-23-2012, 08:28 AM
If I believed that the odds of successful opening were constant for all players.

It is a game of chance. Like Roulette.

There is no constant beyond a drop rate that declines in line with the number contraband items you have on hand. Beyond that, everything else is just pure luck.

Amber_
04-23-2012, 08:39 AM
I got the buster and I'll admit the 10th was hard as f**k to get. Spent like 1000 gold on that one, no gold on the others.. This event was about as hard as the emerald burner one.

Whoopdido1980
04-23-2012, 08:45 AM
What Max said.

I only have the Sig and the Dice from the events.

But i have sh!tloads of good items that i would not have if the events didn't take place.

Stop p!ssing on Funzios shoes. These events are great. And of course they need to get you close to 10, it is that final push that is most likely to get you to spend on Gold. It is your greed they are banking on.

Bottom line: If you go into the event expecting nothing, you'll always be happy with the free stuff you do yet.

If you get greedy and expect too much, you will usually end up disappointed, out of pocket, or both.

P.S. Still p!ssed about the 'secrecy' of the specific benefits of the Bank Buster. But that's another story.

Again, you're absolutely right. However, it's a little easier for somebody that has 2 of the 5 final prizes to say "just deal with it. It's a game of chance" It's just a little harder to swallow when I'm 0 for 5 and have spent probably 1200-1300 bars combined and still have nothing to show for it except for, yes, some pretty darn decent 3, 5, 7 and 9 items. I agree that those are great, but it would be NICE to get at least one final prize.

DenZ1
04-23-2012, 08:50 AM
I would agree on most of peviously stated points. No guarantee. Prizes are great even if no final, all are chances.
What i do not agree is that chances are equal for everybody every single open. I might be wrong, but just look at samples. Some get 3 cards IN A ROW by medium to get to 10. Others 0 in 115 in sure chance for opens. What are the odds to that??? Gamble is gamble, but why not to increase chances just a bit. I can GUARANTEE you (probably shouldn't do that :) )that during Dice even chances were way higher then this time around. This event is a mirror of Burner event. Same chances. It's not just statistics, it's also my gut feelings. If that is the case, why to frustrate so many players that has this game as an essential part of their lives for current period (hourly collections... it's gotta be). It is the game for people to enjoy and entertain. Let them be happy and they'll reward you. It feels so much better that you know there are decent chances that your next open is gonna be the one (Dice event) even if you won't get it at the end, then feeling that you just can dump 4000-5000 gold into this hole and get nada cause chances are so low.

upsman_17
04-23-2012, 08:59 AM
P.S. Still p!ssed about the 'secrecy' of the specific benefits of the Bank Buster. But that's another story.


Agreed. When I got the sig, I was psyched bc I knew what I was getting (a sweet gun with +1 RP on fights, very quantifiable). But with the bank buster I'm still getting the sweet weapon but not quite sure how much the +100 attack helps. Obviously it's a benefit but how much? Is it a game changer, who knows. Glad I got it, but would rather have had the dice. Poor form for Funzio to keep this a secret. If you want the secret to remain then don't create an event with an end item that boosts an unquantifiable stat, especially when you expect people (not me of course) to spend gold to attain the "prize". Now that my rant is over, thank you Funzio for the shiny new picture to add to my inventory. :)

BeniBugatti
04-23-2012, 09:13 AM
Seems to me like Funzio could offer an easy solution for the completists among us.

Every time you spend 15g on the event, your odds of getting credit cards could improve by X%.

This would bring literal meaning to "Better luck next time"

upsman_17
04-23-2012, 09:17 AM
Sometimes even if you lose you can win. That is what I am going for. I am going to find out if the odds for me to successfully get my target was different than another player trying to achieve the same goal. If it is different (and I already know that it is different) then I have a case. BTW, I don't lose very often. I wouldn't bet against me if after I finish my research I decide to take action. Ironically, Funzio can actually make more money if they do what would be acceptable. They would have fewer players that feel like the game is rigged and there would be less frustration. It would be a win for everyone.


Not trying to ruffle your feathers bc I know you're just frustrated, but I would love to be a fly on the wall in the courtroom when you bring this case in front of a judge. You do realize that the judge will laugh at you when you explain to him/her that you spent RM for a CHANCE to win a picture of a fake gun, right? The judge might very well commit you for your poor financial decisions. IF you do pursue this, please consider taking it in front of Judge Judy. That would be incredible and then the whole forum could share in the hilarity that would undoubtably ensue.

sexkitteh
04-23-2012, 09:19 AM
am I too late?? no?

LET'S SUE THE CASINOS!! \(*0*)/

Slinky
04-23-2012, 09:20 AM
I too had 9 CC for almost two days. What makes it worse; in an attempt to help my odds with only 5hrs left, I bought a bunch of gold to reset the clock. I did this 10x in a row and no CCs, needless, to say I went to bed very angry.

sexkitteh
04-23-2012, 09:20 AM
BTW - you dummies have spent so much money on this game, Funzio will be able to afford a better lawyer than you :P

(And I may join you dummies cause I want to spend some money on this game too ^^)

Dravak
04-23-2012, 09:22 AM
Pftt sorry all those people saying sueing this and that , I don't believe a word .
They are just too lazy to try , hoping somebody else would do it !

Well tough luck , ain't interested in doing somebody else dirty work .
So sorry for me saying this , LAUGH at you for even mentioning it up .
Instead of going trough your legal procedure :p , well if you can afford to buy virtual items for 50$ , you sure as hell can afford legal counceling .

Max Power
04-23-2012, 01:05 PM
There are other options. If I believed that the odds of successful opening were constant for all players, then what you say can summarize a reasonable position. If jhowever,the game has "shifting" odds of success that is player input dependent, then the game is "rigged". Rigged isn't a good word because the connotations are not exactly correct but is is close to my meaning.

What I believe after my experiences as well as some other's, is that my chance of success was NOT the same because I am an aggressive player. Well, that isn't fair in my opinion. And there are options at (all of our) disposal to correct this or at least make Funzio state the chances. Otherwise, I still can compile information and publish my findings myself so players know EXACTLY what their chances are and what the favors are that contribute to those chances.

You are assuming a few things.

While I believe that Funzio may alter the chances of ultimate success from one event to the next, the relative value of the grand prize in each event being different would be a reasonable excuse for that.

You are more than welcome to post your own anecdotal evidence, but that doesn't tell us "EXACTLY" anything in relation to our overall chances of success. They are merely one persons reports on their individual results, which, in a situation where you are trying to prove a point at a 30,000 foot level, are meaningless.

To any rational audience, you are completely wasting your time, but only you can know how much time you have to waste.

The second event, the Emerald event with free banking the prize, was seen by almost the entire board as much more difficult than the first. I was pretty upset with Funzio, since they created an expectation with the first event that a certain level of success was a reasonable expectation. That changed that algorithm, in most people eyes, and I could see why people would be upset.

Now that we have had 5 of these events, I think we all agree that some are more difficult than others, and I don't think any expectation of success based on previous events is very reasonable. I also don't think it is reasonable to state that success rates are dependent on individuals playing style, if that's even measurable.

I do agree on one thing, I would like Funzio to state the odds. Since they don't require money to participate, I am not sure demanding that is anything other than pissing in the wind.

Dangerous Greg
04-23-2012, 04:16 PM
Seems to me like Funzio could offer an easy solution for the completists among us.

Every time you spend 15g on the event, your odds of getting credit cards could improve by X%.

This would bring literal meaning to "Better luck next time"

Exactly...I just want to know the odds. I also want to know the odds are consistent between players working from the same level. I know statistics and can tell you within 95% confidence intervals that the odd of getting the 8th 9th and 10th cards is NOT the same. I am telling you all that there is another variable that is at play.

I JUST WANT THE GAME TO BE THE SAME FOR ALL! Someone should NOT have worse odds because they spent gold or had more ATMs in their inventory. I dot mind games of chance. As long as the odd don't change in the middle of me playing. I choose to spend gold...a lot of it... based on other people' success rate. What I am furious about is that based on my results, my odds were NOT the same as for others that were playing the game. I know this because I know statistics. There is less than 1 chances out of 100 that my bad luck was just my "bad luck". You guys want proof that the game is rigged? I can prove that it is. By "rigged" I am saying that not everyone's chance of success is the same. There are unknown other variables that change that. I'd just like to know what they are.

Dangerous Greg
04-23-2012, 04:18 PM
http://jdc325.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/cow-with-mastitis.jpg

Udder Frustration

Now THAT is freaking hilarious!

Burn
04-23-2012, 05:30 PM
I think you've also got to factor in that we are still only what, on the 5th or 6th event?

From a business perspective Funzio have not even settled on a winning formula yet. They will be trying different things to see what factors effect user participation, user spend, and user satisfaction.

I would expect to see further variation, and then still further fine tuning, until they have enough data to take a more informed view on what offers the best compromise between optimal sales volume, and acceptable levels of customer approval.

It's a business, not a charity, and currently, certainly as far as events are concerned, we are both guineau pigs and customers.

mdtacor
04-23-2012, 05:44 PM
Sorry to hear that. I dumped $190 in gold yesterday and luckily got the bank buster after opening 85 ATMs in a row with gold. I don't know if I'm just lucky or what. It's a game though and I guess it's not guaranteed that you should expect to end up succeeding in everything. I'm just glad it worked for me because I was ready to dump more of my personal cash into it.

mnju_03
04-23-2012, 05:51 PM
Had 9 Credit Cards with over 2 days to go and did not get the 10th, opened at least 100+ boxes successfully and nothing to show for. I know its part of the game, but that probability rate is pretty crazy. less than 1% or my luck just sucks lol. Also, they are rolling out another event soon, these events need to be spaced out some more. it's just getting a little old. The only reason they keep rolling out these events so soon is because they are cash cows for Funzio. I would have to say, I do love the game but some of their business strategies are getting a little obnoxious.

I'm sorry J. It does suck. I really wish they gave at least 2 weeks between these events good odds or not.

Burn
04-23-2012, 05:57 PM
Weekly events too much? No problem, vote by keeping your wallet firmly closed. Just grab the free stuff.

What's that you say? You lack the self-discipline? Well that's why Funzio loves you so much ;)

Twinkie
04-23-2012, 06:02 PM
Stuck at 8 CC since day 2. Arrggggg stupid Funzio's servers prize-block me!!!! MOFO!!! :mad:

Itison
04-23-2012, 08:25 PM
Exactly...I just want to know the odds. I also want to know the odds are consistent between players working from the same level. I know statistics and can tell you within 95% confidence intervals that the odd of getting the 8th 9th and 10th cards is NOT the same. I am telling you all that there is another variable that is at play.

I JUST WANT THE GAME TO BE THE SAME FOR ALL! Someone should NOT have worse odds because they spent gold or had more ATMs in their inventory. I dot mind games of chance. As long as the odd don't change in the middle of me playing. I choose to spend gold...a lot of it... based on other people' success rate. What I am furious about is that based on my results, my odds were NOT the same as for others that were playing the game. I know this because I know statistics. There is less than 1 chances out of 100 that my bad luck was just my "bad luck". You guys want proof that the game is rigged? I can prove that it is. By "rigged" I am saying that not everyone's chance of success is the same. There are unknown other variables that change that. I'd just like to know what they are.

Ok, there are going to be some MAJOR issues with anything you can compile:
1. You are, quite obviously, biased. Who could possibly stop you from discarding data that didn't help you?
2. People are only going to come on here to talk about their results if:
a. They are already heavily involved in the community.
b. They were extremely lucky.
c. They were extremely unlucky.
.. therefore you miss pretty much all of the people who had results somewhere in between lucky and unlucky. How do you know there aren't a lot of other people out there who spent the gold you did, but got what they wanted?
3. You need a very large sample size for it to mean anything. How much spare time can you possibly have, and wouldn't it be better spent doing something you enjoy? Just try to think about that rationally.
4. Can you actually verify the results that you collect? What if someone hates Funzio and gives you a bunch of false data under different aliases?

I really don't see how your research could PROVE anything. You can maybe find some interesting correlations, but you will surely lack the sample size. You'd be MUCH better off just accepting the loss and moving on. Consider it a lesson: Don't bet on unknown odds if you don't consider losing acceptable. If losing is unacceptable and you keep on going, you have a gambling problem.

But hey, I wasn't even able to participate in this event (I guess it's not available on the Android version) so I'm just an outsider. Perhaps my words are worthless... this is just how I see it from what I've seen on this forum.