Internet company..upgrade worth it long term?

[colster]

I have both my internet companies at level 3 and just wondering do people generally upgrade them beyond this?

[mnju_03]

I've only seen to level 4 and many threads asking, debating same thing.
My thoughts are if you want to? Do it!

Just do it!

[Jill]

Really depends on the other buildings you have and the lvl they are at. My Internet are both on lvl 2, movies theatres lvl 6, lofts & dominicians at lvl 4. If you have these covered then consider upgrading the Internet but it does depend on your other buildings. Hope this helps

[colster]

mmm, food for thought. My dominicans are lvl5, MTs lv 5 and both lofts 1, so perhaps I'll concentrate on my lofts for now.

[sez]

I have 2 @ lvl 4. Currently upgarding 1 to lvl 5. I just want all my buildings to pay-out at least 100k and its cheap and not to long.

[Hank]

Mine are both at level 6, i have never heard an argument as why you wouldnt upgrade them

[Demoni696]

They are the next best 48 hour $ property next to the Office building, so I think they have a place in higher lvl players collections of buildings.

Both of mine are sitting at lvl 4 and will stay there for awhile, as the $ per hr / cost to upgrade to lvl 5 is worse than me upgrading my Mt's to lvl 8 and my lofts to lvl 6. However as the $ involved in upgrading is really low compared to the other buildings them might get upgraded to lvl 5 as I am saving cash for more expensive upgrades.

[duelblade]

my thoughts are if you plan on keeping x building for a long time then its worth upgrading all the way to level 10 just make sure you don't have any plans in the future to get rid of it.

[ShawnBB]

Really depends on the other buildings you have and the lvl they are at. My Internet are both on lvl 2, movies theatres lvl 6, lofts & dominicians at lvl 4. If you have these covered then consider upgrading the Internet but it does depend on your other buildings. Hope this helps


Jill is absolutely right.

Theoretically, when you upgrading expensive late buildings. (buildings unlocked after Dominican restaurant)
You have to strictly follow the ROI ascending orders. Treat upgrade and build the same.
Remember, only in that case, you can pay yourself back fastest and keep on working for stronger buildings.

And one more thing I want to mention is that, if you put I/H increase divided by ROI, the result can directly tell the upgrade worth value which can help you determine whether or not to keep upgrading that building and when it becomes marginal that should be left there and upgrade others.



Let's take the 36 gold cost Chicken and Waffles for example.
As we know that it is a decent 6 hour payout building and seems a lot people getting it through tapjoy.com

But how strong it is and should we upgrade it to lvl10? if not, then when to stop upgrade it because it gets marginal due to the (5/3)^(Level number-1) times the initial cost becomes too much?
We use the (I/H gain) / (ROI)
Stats are here,
Lvl 1 to 2, 233 I/H gain, 574 ROI. 233/574=0.4
Lvl 2 to 3, 350 I/H gain, 642 ROI. 350/642=0.55
Lvl 3 to 4, 466/808=0.58
Lvl 4 to 5, 583/1084=0.54
Lvl 5 to 6, 700/1515=0.46
Lvl 6 to 7, 816/2179=0.37

You guys see the whole changing trend?
It's like a concave down plot.
It reaches it's maximum worth value at lvl3 to 4
Then after lvl 6 it's becoming marginal and not worth for your investment because the cost is too much that it's I/H provide ability after pay self back becomes relatively weak by that time.
Meanwhile as its upgrading time is longer at high level. You should give up investing on chicken at lvl 5.
And this is a vital thing in game money investment decision making.

Warehouse lvl 6 to lvl 7, 80/937= 0.09. LOL. Now u guys know how poor it is to follow the goal, huh?
Movie Theater lvl 4 to 5, 1291/864=1.49

Personally I would dump and skip all the upgrade or build that has a IH/ROI value lower than 0.4
I think this coefficient can mathematically describe what tramp stamp means by "gold equivalent"

:)

[ShawnBB]

What makes I/H / Cost and I/H / ROI different is that the unit

I/H / Cost is 1/time
I/H / ROI is $/time^2.

So I guess the quadratic unit maybe could help you see the slope changing and find the maximum and stuff,
Unlike the IH per cost is always decreasing.
Just A thought.

[mnju_03]

Mine are both at level 6, i have never heard an argument as why you wouldnt upgrade them

Hank you the guy who just robbed me a bunch? (Michael)

[Dreno33]

Lvl 1 to 2, 233 I/H gain, 574 ROI. 233/574=0.4
Lvl 2 to 3, 350 I/H gain, 642 ROI. 350/642=0.55
Lvl 3 to 4, 466/808=0.58
Lvl 4 to 5, 583/1084=0.54
Lvl 5 to 6, 700/1515=0.46
Lvl 6 to 7, 816/2179=0.37

You guys see the whole changing trend?

COOL! I never thought of this idea. I wonder if anyone has posted these into the spreadsheets yet. this is perfect! thanks ShawnBB!

[ShawnBB]

So back to the Internet company problem.
New built. 333/707= 0.47
1 to 2. 333/1139=0.29
2 to 3. 500/1273=0.39
3 to 4. 667/1598=0.42
4 to 5. 833/2140=0.39
5 to 6. 1000/2983=0.33

So first built is a good deal, and it reaches it's max at lvl 3 to 4, and start to going down after that.

But you can actually choose something else to upgrade that has a much higher value than 0.4 which can be over 1(like move theater, loft and so on)

[colster]

Not trying to be silly but what is ROI?

[ShawnBB]

Not trying to be silly but what is ROI?

Oh, it's return of investment. Time need to pay itself back.
Like if you spent 4000 on building an arcade and it gives you 50 per hour, the ROI then is 4000/50=80 (hours)



To make it easier to understand my whole thing I said before.
You can just think like this way.

if two buildings upgrade cost have the same ROI which means they pay self back same fast.Would you choose to upgrade a high income building or a low income building?
Answer is of course high income building!
Because the higher one will contribute more money after they payback.

[Hank]

@mnju its possible, i've been doing that alot lately trying to scrap up some change for my second nightclub

[i need muney]

@mnju its possible, i've been doing that alot lately trying to scrap up some change for my second nightclub
Upgrade the one you have to lvl2. 150% the cost for 300% gain.

[jaywalker]

And one more thing I want to mention is that, if you put I/H increase divided by ROI, the result can directly tell the upgrade worth value which can help you determine whether or not to keep upgrading that building and when it becomes marginal that should be left there and upgrade others.

I do: cost of upgrade / ($/h gained)
So basically ROI without the upgrading time included..?
I keep my buildings in an excel sheet, and I try to do those who gain 1000$/H or more.

Should I upgrade Loft to 5 or MT to 7?

Loft: $5 911 252 / $5 042 = 1172
MT: $3 036 875 / $2 558 = 1187

Loft would be my first choice, if I have the money on hand. If I miss ~500k I would save up for it. In my case I upgraded the MT while saving up for the Loft upgrade.

[Jill]

This has been a really interesting thread and I believe most of us are on a Excell sheet in some form, however there is another element that should come into your mind when considering upgrades, is it an easy payout time, I mean is it a 12hr or 24hr building which for me adds additional weighting on my decision which building to upgrade.

[ShawnBB]

I do: cost of upgrade / ($/h gained)
So basically ROI without the upgrading time included..?
I keep my buildings in an excel sheet, and I try to do those who gain 1000$/H or more.

Should I upgrade Loft to 5 or MT to 7?




Loft: $5 911 252 / $5 042 = 1172
MT: $3 036 875 / $2 558 = 1187

Loft would be my first choice, if I have the money on hand. If I miss ~500k I would save up for it. In my case I upgraded the MT while saving up for the Loft upgrade.



Very nice question:) thanks for asking, reminded me of another point missing.
Sorry, I didnt put upgrading hour income lost into count, those do actually affect the overall ROI,
shorter upgrade time cost leads to less income lost,so actual ROI would have a smaller bias.

So back to lvl 5 loft and lvl 7 MT
They have a close ROI, but loft's IpH is 2X MT.

IpH / ROI
Loft is 4.3
MT is 2.2
Clearly loft is way better worth.
you may say its cost is more expensive,well it all depends on your current income.
I see that ur IpH is 100K, so 6m need you 60 hours to save up.
While loft need 60+ hours to upgrade,so you can actually afford the second loft upgrade right after.
So best order would be MT ,Loft,Loft,MT.

Here both 4.3 and 2.2 are very high values. Since they are all way better than 0.4(I didn't use tycoon output) and having a close ROI,you are gonna upgrade them all together anyway. Orders only matter with differ ROIs.

Basic Purpose of this number is to tell the worth value of that upgrade, not really saying upgrade the higher nmuber first.

dump all the worthless upgrade that is lower than 0.4
And left you with Idk, maybe only 30% of all the upgrades? And those 30% upgrades are exactly what you need to finish in this crime city game. (don't forget still follow the ROI sort)

All in all, still upgrade follow the ROI order, as long as the value is greater than 0.4 it worth for your time and money.
I'm a free player so I use 0.4, gold player could raise it to 0.6 or something to dump even more low worth upgrades and focus on the gold buildings.

[procsyzarc]

Honestly a lot of thought has gone in here and have been drinking so won't try to do the math now, but you really need to forget ROI etc these sound good in theory but will have you upgrading buildings that don't really **** latter.

If this tread is still around on Monday and I have time I will explain in detail but people who follow these formulas do end up worse latter, I followed these ideas for a while and got to 200k per hour which was ok but since I ignored them and thought big picture I have gone from 200k per hour to 1m per hour in about 1.5months and will be at 2m per hour in another month

[Jill]

Honestly a lot of thought has gone in here and have been drinking so won't try to do the math now, but you really need to forget ROI etc these sound good in theory but will have you upgrading buildings that don't really **** latter.

If this tread is still around on Monday and I have time I will explain in detail but people who follow these formulas do end up worse latter, I followed these ideas for a while and got to 200k per hour which was ok but since I ignored them and thought big picture I have gone from 200k per hour to 1m per hour in about 1.5months and will be at 2m per hour in another month

Looking forward to seeing your ideas and enjoy your drinking day LOL think I'll join you shortly.

[jaywalker]

Very nice question:) thanks for asking, reminded me of another point missing.
Sorry, I didnt put upgrading hour income lost into count, those do actually affect the overall ROI,
shorter upgrade time cost leads to less income lost,so actual ROI would have a smaller bias.


If you use the "tribal tattoo on the lower back" buildings list, it is included. Havn't really checked the others that are floating around. A few times I go for the longer, cheaper upgrade so I can afford to build a new building and keep upgrading or upgrade something even better. I will get MTs and Lofts to level at one point, so might as well do a few levels now :)

[Santa]

Better than nothing. 48h buildings rock! :)

[slackerboy]

bump

I have wondered this myself.

For me, my own thoughts. Do I plan to keep this building long term and not sell it. Yes I do, so upgrades are beneficial
.

I think early on, the spreadsheets do help a lot and even at later stages help you plan you economy. But since most players decide on 12/24/24 hour buildings as easy to sync and collect.
Since this building is a 48 hr collection and guessing you do not plan to sell it in the long term, then stats/ROI aside the upgrade is worthwhile.
At my stage any building I can upgrade within 24-48 hours is worthwhile, after that I look to what I plan to keep longterm to see if the time is worth it.

[mnju_03]

Honestly a lot of thought has gone in here and have been drinking so won't try to do the math now, but you really need to forget ROI etc these sound good in theory but will have you upgrading buildings that don't really **** latter.

If this tread is still around on Monday and I have time I will explain in detail but people who follow these formulas do end up worse latter, I followed these ideas for a while and got to 200k per hour which was ok but since I ignored them and thought big picture I have gone from 200k per hour to 1m per hour in about 1.5months and will be at 2m per hour in another month

Lol I'm also waiting for the sober relay of this... ;)

[slackerboy]

exactly why I bumped this. Thought all you guys had forgotten about this with all the other fun going in

[mnju_03]

exactly why I bumped this. Thought all you guys had forgotten about this with all the other fun going in

No kidding, I hope people don't forget about my ... Our marathon thread. ;)

[slackerboy]

Quote: I'm in a car for the next 12 hours....FYI

How do you do it...

And what thread are you going on about

[slackerboy]

bump

must keep this above muju marathon thread