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Ohaithere
03-26-2012, 03:20 PM
Hey so who is farming this? It's one of the few one click farmable items left but costs 7m to unlock. It has odds of .12 of getting but I'm getting 1 every 16 or so attempts, currently on a dry of 32. iv got 4 so far, how are you all doing? How accurate are the odds on the spreadsheet? Tried getting more Dds but it was too much an effort.

Swifty
03-26-2012, 03:22 PM
I quit with a 1 for 43 streak. Just too frustrating but I should return and give it another chance.

Ohaithere
03-26-2012, 03:30 PM
I just think the odds can't be .12 because the runs are so bad, iv written down every attempt at it because I was skeptical. But then if the odds are taken from game data they must be right :/ I don't need to get warfare vests or any armour as I have 405 nvbs hmm

Ghost818
03-26-2012, 03:38 PM
I just think the odds can't be .12 because the runs are so bad, iv written down every attempt at it because I was skeptical. But then if the odds are taken from game data they must be right :/ I don't need to get warfare vests or any armour as I have 405 nvbs hmm I have about 18, and I started farming these maybe 5 days ago maybe even less. I usually get 2 in a row, but once I got 4 of them in a row, then a dry spell of about 8 then another 2.

Crazyscorp
03-26-2012, 03:39 PM
What are the stats on it?

Swifty
03-26-2012, 03:40 PM
It figures. Ghost just balances out my bad luck.

Ghost818
03-26-2012, 03:41 PM
I think I went about 20 once with a dry spell when I first started. Then got 2 in a row then its about 10 dry spells per 2drops.

Ohaithere
03-26-2012, 03:43 PM
14/15? Maybe I'm just going through bad days of runs, if odds are .12 to get it then there is like a 1.1 percent chance of a 35 streak, boo bad luck

mnju_03
03-26-2012, 03:44 PM
14/15 maybe?

Babytway
03-26-2012, 03:44 PM
where is this located i want to give it a try

Swifty
03-26-2012, 03:47 PM
Red Cascade in Red Light District
1 x 171
Empire Central Bus 15/17

mnju_03
03-26-2012, 03:48 PM
Red Cascade in Red Light District
1 x 171
Empire Central Bus 15/17

Sweet, after my goals I should start getting those! Unless they disappear...lol

Babytway
03-26-2012, 03:54 PM
thanks a lot for quick response SWIFTY (pun intended) lol

Coco c
03-26-2012, 03:56 PM
I have 40 of them. The 12% drop rate seems about right, as a few others have said, sometimes you get a few in a row and then 15 or 20 hits with nothing.

Swifty
03-26-2012, 03:59 PM
I think it was Bruiser that was 0 for 30k energy (but maybe I misremembered who it was).

And my 1 for 43 streak is outside the statistical norm for a 0.12 drop rate.

So maybe there is some additional funny business going on here, where some people are getting a 0.12 rate and some people are not. Funzio knows for sure because they have the large sample data, but they are not sharing (yet).

Ohaithere
03-26-2012, 04:04 PM
Bruiser went 0 for 20k yes

Soopajake
03-26-2012, 04:05 PM
we learn alot from crime city! crack dealers don't sell crack in the lobby of police stations. however, we still discuss juicy farming tips on funzio's forum. yay!

Thinks
03-26-2012, 04:08 PM
we learn alot from crime city! crack dealers don't sell crack in the lobby of police stations. however, we still discuss juicy farming tips on funzio's forum. yay!

Lol, Epic Post... and very well said.

Babytway
03-26-2012, 04:14 PM
6.2mil for me to unlock i think i will wait awhile before i try that job

Swifty
03-26-2012, 04:15 PM
Funzio already knows who is farming what and how much. They know what the real drop rate is. They know what the statistical deviations from the drop rate are.

Discussing it on the forum makes no difference.

If they do not like where the numbers are going, they will change it.

Ohaithere
03-26-2012, 04:15 PM
Funzio can see it's stats and odds from the game data, discussing it here will not change them nurfing it or not

It does make it harder for purists when we don't discuss these though, I know you are reading this ;) come make an account and play

Soopajake
03-26-2012, 04:26 PM
oh I see. well then! :cool: time to bust out the tractor! as the black guy on Famly Guy says, "Gotta get it while the gettin's good!"

G Wiz
03-26-2012, 04:31 PM
lol@jake...talkin bout cleveland?

mnju_03
03-26-2012, 05:02 PM
oh I see. well then! :cool: time to bust out the tractor! as the black guy on Famly Guy says, "Gotta get it while the gettin's good!"



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6nKxmQOCrQ

Slickster
03-26-2012, 05:25 PM
Funzio already knows who is farming what and how much. They know what the real drop rate is. They know what the statistical deviations from the drop rate are.

Discussing it on the forum makes no difference.

If they do not like where the numbers are going, they will change it. do you think that during an event with the boss bag drops, this will have any effect on the item drop rate, since bags are also being dropped will this cancel out a potential loot drop?

Lager
03-26-2012, 05:27 PM
I don't think so. I've been trying for 2 days and got nothing then just now I got 2!!!!

Rhino72
03-26-2012, 06:06 PM
I finally went back to the red cascade after an 0 for 50 start. I now have 5 after about 100 total tries so I am not sure if 12% is right and I am guessing close to 5% might be right. I am keeping track of my next 100 tries and will post once I am done.

Swifty
03-26-2012, 06:45 PM
@Rhino72

That is dedication.

You inspire me to return and try again.

mnju_03
03-26-2012, 07:05 PM
@Rhino72

That is dedication.

You inspire me to return and try again.

Nobody likes a quitter.

Rhino72
03-26-2012, 08:13 PM
I wouldn't quite call it dedication. I would call it "oh my god I can't continue another map goal after finishing up the shoreline!". At least now I have a huge pile of blow in my map goals to try and start restaurant row.

Rhino72
03-26-2012, 08:15 PM
Ps - 1 for 2 to add one more bus before I head of to sleep. Good night!

mnju_03
03-26-2012, 08:16 PM
I wouldn't quite call it dedication. I would call it "oh my god I can't continue another map goal after finishing up the shoreline!". At least now I have a huge pile of blow in my map goals to try and start restaurant row.

Allllllllllllrighty then.

DuB
03-26-2012, 11:20 PM
17 in five days. Hope to get to 30 before it is taken away.

mnju_03
03-26-2012, 11:21 PM
17 in five days. Hope to get to 30 before it is taken away.

Wow Dub, that's a lot!

DuB
03-26-2012, 11:29 PM
I guess I am getting slightly above average numbers. Was getting four a day before my dry spell today. Today only one for about 5k energy.

mnju_03
03-26-2012, 11:30 PM
I guess I am getting slightly above average numbers. Was getting four a day before my dry spell today. Today only one for about 5k energy.

Yikes! I'd start going for it but I just don't want to. lol. I'm too focused on the goals. :P

jaywalker
03-27-2012, 12:40 AM
I always had a feeling I get less drops if I drop the whole energybar in one go. Now I try to do 4-5 hits on a building or w/e, rob a few people, drop another 4-5 hits.. Seems to be working better, but I don't keep any numbers

Shoes
03-27-2012, 01:30 AM
I am getting 1 per 6 hits t red cascade, sometimes nothing for 10 tho! so I just go away and try again and then get 1 for 3. Also getting a bag every 3 hits sometime a bag every hit but average is 1 bag every 3. This is not empirical just how it feels to me. I am very low on vehicle stats so focussing on this for the mo.

Fricco
03-27-2012, 06:20 AM
i've got 15 and agree with Ghost as mine drop 2 back to back then a long run of none.

Thinks
03-27-2012, 08:14 AM
I went 0/9 the day of or day after they removed DD from the one-click. I hadn't been back since.

Came back this morning and gave it a shot. I ended up going 1/6. I was happy to see it drop, but unfortunitly, I didnt have the back-to-back occurance which others have encountered.

Max Power
03-27-2012, 08:35 AM
I am not sure I want to spend 7 mil on this. At this point I am merely replacing Yamahas, so I am not sure it is worth it.

Fricco
03-27-2012, 09:17 AM
I hate to admit this but i guess my early CC days questing paid off,
my buy in was just over 2mill.....:p

Thinks
03-27-2012, 09:46 AM
Just went 1/3. w00t w00t!

Dorian Gray
03-27-2012, 09:53 AM
Funzio can see it's stats and odds from the game data, discussing it here will not change them nurfing it or not


LOL Yeah, like they saw the M4 and DD stats?

Ohaithere
03-27-2012, 10:15 AM
Err yea...and they got nurfed?

deuces
03-27-2012, 10:31 AM
Err yea...and they got nurfed?

Right, after explaining to us that they didnt notice them or make any changes before because they were unaware. If they were unaware of the m4 for months, and are now looking to change anything else that we grow fond of, shouldnt we not make threads where we discuss new farmable items we find? I dont care too much, just seems silly to me tho.

Dorian Gray
03-27-2012, 10:44 AM
Right, after explaining to us that they didnt notice them or make any changes before because they were unaware.

Thanks deuces, that's what I was referring to. :)

Ohaithere
03-27-2012, 11:07 AM
so im getting criticized for making a thread letting everyone else have a fair chance at getting these unbalanced items or are we meant to keep it a secret? i thought the forums were got sharing and helping others.

Dorian Gray
03-27-2012, 11:26 AM
so im getting criticized for making a thread letting everyone else have a fair chance at getting these unbalanced items or are we meant to keep it a secret? i thought the forums were got sharing and helping others.

What are you talking about? I can't believe I have to explain this. :rolleyes:

You said "Funzio can see it's stats".

All I was doing was commenting about how that's not necessarily true based on Funzio's past comments.

Don't get all defensive, jeez.

Murda
03-27-2012, 11:29 AM
{Waving hand in front of Funzio Mods, and in best Obi Wan voice}

These are not the Farmers that you seek......

Max Power
03-27-2012, 11:31 AM
{Waving hand in front of Funzio Mods, and in best Obi Wan voice}

These are not the Farmers that you seek......

LOL.......

deuces
03-27-2012, 11:31 AM
Dorian and I were just sharing our opinions on the subject in a thread you created, nothing wrong with that. You're correct in that the forums are a place for sharing and helping others. My stance is that in the last 2 weeks, the 2 items that this community farmed the most, were nerfed. This changes the dynamic of the forum IMO, and makes it a place where items we think have a chance of being nerfed should not be openly talked about like this.

The area is not unlocked until level 90+ i believe, so its something for more senior players in the game anyways. I dont think having a thread like this can do anything but hurt those who already know about the spot. Theres TONS of hints throughout the forum about this farming spot, plenty for someone whos willing to read the forum to find.

Again, just my opinion, and i dont expect to change yours.

Dorian Gray
03-27-2012, 11:41 AM
If we get our money together and buy him a turtle maybe he'll forgive us.
No hard feelings. :cool:

Swifty
03-27-2012, 03:01 PM
@Dorian and others

Funzio can get a data dump from the game any time they want and they can see anything they want.

If you seriously believe that they did not see anything except what they read on the forum, then I got some bridges and beachfront property for sale.

Dorian Gray
03-27-2012, 03:09 PM
@Dorian and others

Funzio can get a data dump from the game any time they want and they can see anything they want.

If you seriously believe that they did not see anything except what they read on the forum, then I got some bridges and beachfront property for sale.

Swifty, they admitted to ignoring what the forum members were saying about the stats of the M4 for months because on their end that wasn't the stats they saw. Did you miss that?

Dorian Gray
03-27-2012, 03:11 PM
"For clarification, here's how this happened: Due to an error on our end, there were two items called M4 A1 in the item database. The one that was in our official notes had the stats of the rusty M4. The one actually in the game had the stats of the old M4. Every time we'd see people farming these, we'd check the "official" stats and go "Huh, I don't see the problem, they only have such-and-such stats". So basically, we dropped the ball hard on noticing this one and are going to be much more careful from here on out."

-CJ54

Swifty
03-27-2012, 03:11 PM
Dorian, not all of us are buying The Typo Defense.

Funzio was reading the same data dumps that allhaildiscordia was.

Did you miss CC Mark's several comments on how they have their ways of knowing things?

Dorian Gray
03-27-2012, 03:17 PM
Dorian, not all of us are buying The Typo Defense.

Funzio was reading the same data dumps that allhaildiscordia was.

Did you miss CC Mark's several comments on how they have their ways of knowing things?

Then what's your theory on why they left it in for months only to take it out later when it was so obviously out of balance with the other guns? Seriously, I would like to know.

Swifty
03-27-2012, 03:30 PM
Dorian, you got me there.

My view is they looked at their data dump, did not like the way the numbers looked, and decided to make a change.

Seriously. Any of the Funzio developers can get a data dump on any aspect of the game they want any time they want. They can tell how many Rusty M4A1s were looted today, what their stats were, the levels of the players that looted them, and on and on and on. Ditto for Double Deckers. Ditto for any other loot. Ditto for how many crates were bought, what loot came out of the crates, etc.

But the why of what they do and when they do it. That is a tough one.

Dorian Gray
03-27-2012, 03:37 PM
Dorian, you got me there.

My view is they looked at their data dump, did not like the way the numbers looked, and decided to make a change.

Seriously. Any of the Funzio developers can get a data dump on any aspect of the game they want any time they want. They can tell how many Rusty M4A1s were looted today, what their stats were, the levels of the players that looted them, and on and on and on. Ditto for Double Deckers. Ditto for any other loot. Ditto for how many crates were bought, what loot came out of the crates, etc.

But the why of what they do and when they do it. That is a tough one.

It's true that we can only speculate about the 'goings on' behind closed doors at Funzio. It's a shame we can't take them at their word, but that's the world we live in. Not saying it's true for Funzio, but it's amazing the things people can justify when it comes to the almighty dollar. :(

deuces
03-27-2012, 03:58 PM
I hope that it really doesnt matter fwiw, and think that it shouldnt. This is the next best item to farm for me, but isnt necessarily for everyone. I dont think their intention is to go around nerfing everything someone finds powerful.

Rhino72
03-27-2012, 04:07 PM
Swiftly a little late to the thread but is that beachfront property you selling a type a or type b building?

schnuffler
03-27-2012, 04:28 PM
You guys keep farming that crappy ole bus, and keep arguiing about it too. Suits me just fine :D

deuces
03-27-2012, 05:58 PM
I bet you're having a good day at the red cascade today, arent you swifty? Stealing my luckbox...grrrr

Swifty
03-27-2012, 07:22 PM
@schnuffler

that crappy ole bus is a lot better than many of the vehicles I own!

deuces
03-27-2012, 07:51 PM
did you email them about my luck swifty??? i'm on around 4-4.5k energy with no BUSES!!

Swifty
03-27-2012, 07:58 PM
@deuces

many apologies, I inadvertently jinxed you

deuces
03-27-2012, 08:04 PM
@deuces

many apologies, I inadvertently jinxed you

now i feel bad! i dont reaaally blame you. Farming is frustrating for sure tho.

Thinks
03-28-2012, 08:52 AM
I had a great run at this, this morning.

I went 5/7. I was as giddy as a school girl. :-)

Swifty
03-28-2012, 09:08 AM
That 5/7 balances out my 1 for 43, or close enough.

Ghost818
03-28-2012, 09:12 AM
I have also been jinxed! Ever since my post here, I have only gotten 2 in 30.

deuces
03-28-2012, 09:18 AM
nerf this **** IMO im over it! ;)

Fricco
03-28-2012, 09:29 AM
i had a decent run yesterday, 4 drops over 3000 energy throughout the day.
19 total . (not my primary item to loot)

Swifty
03-28-2012, 08:48 PM
1 for 15 today.

DuB
03-28-2012, 09:13 PM
22 in a week with a few other things mixed in. I have seen someone with 30. It is tedious, but at least it is meaningful loot.

Rhino72
03-30-2012, 04:06 PM
14 for my last 127 so the spreadsheet still seems to be right.

Thinks
03-30-2012, 04:18 PM
14 for my last 127 so the spreadsheet still seems to be right.

I'm only at 17.... I haven't come close to attempting it 127 times... but it's kind of depressing if you factor in the one morning I went 5/7.