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<3 Hz
03-18-2012, 09:16 AM
There has been a lot of frustration as far as getting 10 emeralds goes. I'm stuck on 6 and have opened 52 safes trying to get my 7th. I got emeralds 1-6 with opening less than 30 safes. It looks like some of us just aren't going to be able to get 10. It would be great if during the last hour of the event, we could buy emeralds for 100 gold a piece or something like that. That way players would be satisfied by getting the emerald burner, and you would still make money Funzio. If I can't get this 10 emerald, I may never buy gold again considering what I've already spent in an effort to get it.

I'm sure others here will agree with me.

i need muney
03-18-2012, 09:21 AM
*facepalm*
you can buy emeralds. Just reset-and-dynamite, rince, repeat

Xira
03-18-2012, 09:44 AM
*facepalm*
you can buy emeralds. Just reset-and-dynamite, rince, repeat

*facepalm*
You obviously miss the point. He wants a 100% guarantee on getting the gun with a set amount of gold. It is not that unreasonable in the scheme of things. He is obviously worried about spending 100's of more real life cash and not getting a single gem for it, as he should be. As in my latest posts, it ended up taking me 4500+ gold bars to go from 8-9 gems... It is totally broken and i fear there is ALOT of frustrated people, a bunch that do not even come to forums, which are not going to obtain the Burner and choose to abstain from the events or even the game after this.

I am really worried with the M4A1/DD changes, followed up by this fiasco where alot of peope fail to obtain the item... The feeling of futility/being ripped off is going to skyrocket and alot more good people will continue to depart...

It is all unfortunate.

i need muney
03-18-2012, 09:53 AM
*facepalm*
You obviously miss the point. He wants a 100% guarantee on getting the gun with a set amount of gold. It is not that unreasonable in the scheme of things. He is obviously worried about spending 100's of more real life cash and not getting a single gem for it, as he should be. As in my latest posts, it ended up taking me 4500+ gold bars to go from 8-9 gems... It is totally broken and i fear there is ALOT of frustrated people, a bunch that do not even come to forums, which are not going to obtain the Burner and choose to abstain from the events or even the game after this.

I am really worried with the M4A1/DD changes, followed up by this fiasco where alot of peope fail to obtain the item... The feeling of futility/being ripped off is going to skyrocket and alot more good people will continue to depart...

It is all unfortunate.
You obviously miss the sarcasm. Cause this idea is nonsense :)

Xira
03-18-2012, 09:54 AM
You obviously miss the sarcasm. Cause this idea is nonsense :)

I am amazed you spelt sarcasm right after failing on "rince" lmfao

Burn
03-18-2012, 09:54 AM
You are missing the point Xira.

It is gambling. There are no guarantees.

Choice 1: Gamble
Choice 2: Don't gamble

Gambling and then crying like a spoilt child when you don't win is not one of the available choices.

Xira
03-18-2012, 09:56 AM
Gambling and then crying like a spoilt child when you don't win is not one of the available choices.

If only that is how the world worked....

Joeycool
03-18-2012, 10:04 AM
You are missing the point Xira.

It is gambling. There are no guarantees.

Choice 1: Gamble
Choice 2: Don't gamble

Gambling and then crying like a spoilt child when you don't win is not one of the available choices.

Unfortunately it is even more risky than most gambling...

Because if you place a bet on the lottery or if you back a horse or predict the first goal scorer in a game of football then you are given the odds.

With the emerald event you dont even get this.

It was a massive risk for anyone to spend a single penny on the event.

Burn
03-18-2012, 10:04 AM
Indeed Joey.

Xira, come back here in 38 hours and watch 50 different people in 40 different threads prove categorically that 'Gambling then Crying when you Lose' was very much one of the options ;)

Xira
03-18-2012, 10:07 AM
Indeed Joey.

Xira, come back here in 38 hours and watch 50 different people in 40 different threads prove categorically that 'Gambling then Crying when you Lose' was very much one of the options ;)

Exactly my point?

i need muney
03-18-2012, 10:15 AM
I am amazed you spelt sarcasm right after failing on "rince" lmfao
Okay. Grammar-nazy, check.

<3 Hz
03-18-2012, 10:16 AM
So it is meant to be like a lottery?

I did the last event and got the diamond sig without too much trouble, used 650 gold. Anyway, opened 2 more boxes and got the 7th finally. This time around I bought 650 and exhausted that quickly, I then bought 1,500 and am burning through it quickly too. It seems like the gold option is really the only way to effectively open safes. Using the cash is maybe 2 in 10 chance from what I have experienced.

funzio would make a good amount of money at the tail end of this if they offered emeralds for sale for 100 gold. Anyone stuck on 9 would spend gold to buy that last one. Most everyone with 7 or 8 would buy to get their 10th.

Xira
03-18-2012, 10:19 AM
Okay. Grammar-nazy, check.

You are like the gift that keeps on giving... However I will stop as trolling the troll I grew out of ages ago. Even though it still is fun.

Burn
03-18-2012, 10:21 AM
If they sell it, you ain't getting it for 100 Gold.

For the stats, and the zero cost banking, it is priceless.

You can have mine. Bidding starts at 1500 Gold.

Xira
03-18-2012, 10:26 AM
If they sell it, you ain't getting it for 100 Gold.

For the stats, and the zero cost banking, it is priceless.

You can have mine. Bidding starts at 1500 Gold.

I will bid 2500 gold, as it is 1/2 of what I was willing to pay. If I own 2 do I get +10% gold? My title change to Investment Banker??

i need muney
03-18-2012, 10:30 AM
There's no point in gambling if can buy the prize straight-out. This one is kind of obvious.
The whole point is to test you're luck. Some get more, others get less.

You are like the gift that keeps on giving... However I will stop as trolling the troll I grew out of ages ago. Even though it still is fun.
You deserve a prize for being so great :D

Joeycool
03-18-2012, 10:35 AM
There's no point in gambling if can buy the prize straight-out. This one is kind of obvious.
The whole point is to test you're luck. Some get more, others get less.

exactly correct...

If Funzio allowed this buy the emerald option they would be swamped with complaints from people who gambled opening safes with gold.

<3 Hz
03-18-2012, 10:36 AM
There's no point in gambling if can buy the prize straight-out. This one is kind of obvious.
The whole point is to test you're luck. Some get more, others get less.

You could buy it straight out. In my opinion, you'd be guaranteed to get it if you spent $1,000 on gold (15,000 gold). Then your problem would be obtaining enough safes to open. I only have 40 bullets so I don't accumulate too many safes, I have 47 right now. People with 100 or more bullets and a lot of $ to buy gold will certainly get it.

Joeycool
03-18-2012, 10:40 AM
You could buy it straight out. In my opinion, you'd be guaranteed to get it if you spent $1,000 on gold (15,000 gold). Then your problem would be obtaining enough safes to open. I only have 40 bullets so I don't accumulate too many safes, I have 47 right now. People with 100 or more bullets and a lot of $ to buy gold will certainly get it.

There is absolutely no guarantee at all that you will get 10 emeralds. No matter how much gold you spend. The more gold you spend, the better your chance gets. But there is no guarantee. It is always a gamble.


That is what people need to get in their heads about the event.

Xira
03-18-2012, 10:50 AM
You are right on with your points Joey, I am just seriously concerned how these events are going to actually play out with the player base overall. There is going to be 2 groups of people that are going to just give up and probably quit:

1) Competitive Non gold players: If these events continue with current odds they will be unable to compete worse than ever and frustration will continue to build.

2) Limited gold players: Players who spend hundreds on gold and do not get the item, regardless of what warnings or theoretical understanding they should have, you do not need to be a rocket scientist to know how this ends.

Losing either category of player is not good for the game in general.

Joeycool
03-18-2012, 10:59 AM
Agreed.

The best way to enjoy the events, I would think, is to not spend any gold.

Perhaps Funzio should consider a new format for future events. I mentioned in another thread that perhaps they could go with one where you are rewarded with prizes for achieving a pre defined goal.

Something like logging in 10 times a day, robbing 100 people and winning 100 fights every day, for 10 days in a row.

617Pats
03-18-2012, 11:05 AM
You could buy it straight out. In my opinion, you'd be guaranteed to get it if you spent $1,000 on gold (15,000 gold). Then your problem would be obtaining enough safes to open. I only have 40 bullets so I don't accumulate too many safes, I have 47 right now. People with 100 or more bullets and a lot of $ to buy gold will certainly get it.

Really, you have a problem obtaining wall safes? It sounds like you are only considering using stamina to get safes, which is why you have so few. I feel I get more safes from using energy on missions. Between this event and the last diamond event, I have far more safes/lockboxes then I can open by the end. I have like 50 safes now and I had over 100 lockboxes leftover in the diamond sig event.

Dravak
03-18-2012, 11:11 AM
this is something I suggested to them , to let people buy the item or emerald at extreme price at last day .

Sorry people calling it gambling , you are wrong , neither does funzio , or the US credit cards support online gambling , so stop calling it that , it is your own perception of thing . Not and will ever be a official staunce , the moment somebody complain about that or they even dare to admit it .
Is the moment they won't get paid .

Since they do not have a casino license especially for minors playing this game .
That this event brought out the same frustrations as gambling .

People even daring to defend this event , sadly you are the one biting your own feet .
Next event will be even greater reward at a greater reset price of 25 diamond.

That is why I choose not to participate in the next event , no matter what the reward will be .
That is the choice I make . So for those who got there emerald burner aka money burner!

Congrats a good lesson , and no matter how much you paid , it is still cheap cause you learned .
To appreciate sleep and forget about investing into the next event :p
So people who can't get it , well too bad next event they are all yours .

xira it is no use argueing with people unless they feel the same frustration this event brought.
They will at the last day especially now the lock boxes are dropping less and less .

erik
03-18-2012, 11:20 AM
Sorry Dravak, they are correct.

They are by definition gambling GOLD.

This is allowed because Gold is purchased with money, and money is not directly gambled.

It is not illegal gambling, which I did not see mentioned by anyone. Maybe I missed that.

Dravak
03-18-2012, 11:38 AM
Gambling involving anything with real life currency exchanged for other currency online .
Isn't encouraged or allowed in US the rest of the world have different rules .
but not the US , you can look that up in wiki about online gambling .

So yes for our perception especially this event feeled like gambling , cause of the steep chance of luck compared to the last one , MW event was like SIG event , chances of opening chests was much higher so was the titaninium bar.

But if people are opening more chests then the event has hours , without even approaching the chance of 9 bars or success , what is this event called ?

Sorry you can call it gambling Erik , but they will never ever admit it , since there are people playing this game who are minors .

No this is a event , that was heavily screwed in there favors , that they even dare to do that and give the gambling feeling to minors , they beter start thinking again what they are doing , especially if they are taken over by hasbro.

Joeycool
03-18-2012, 11:45 AM
Sorry people calling it gambling , you are wrong , neither does funzio , or the US credit cards support online gambling , so stop calling it that ,

gam·ble (gmbl)
v. gam·bled, gam·bling, gam·bles
v.intr.
1.
a. To bet on an uncertain outcome, as of a contest.
b. To play a game of chance for stakes.
2. To take a risk in the hope of gaining an advantage or a benefit.

I think you will find... gambling is exactly what it is.

Its not illegal gambling as no money is exchanging hands. But, by definition, that is exactly what it is.

Dravak
03-18-2012, 11:54 AM
And again wrong , cause getting gold involves real money or currency , so changing money for online tokens .
Like most company online use isn't consider real life currency .
read the wiki about online gambling , simple easy to read and understandable . Especially if you live in the US .

try again cool , you are just argueing for argue sake , and that there are people playing this game who are underage .
Makes it even worst , sorry Sig event follows the same event as MW see the difference in attitude.

Anyway it doesn't matter what happens the event will end soon , and this time the amount of people having both the sig and emerald burner , will be small indeed .

Joeycool
03-18-2012, 12:05 PM
We are talking of gambling as a dictionary definition...

Not gambling that society associate with the act of gambling in a casino or in a bookmakers.

The word gamble means : to take a risk in the hope of gaining an advantage or a benefit.

You can take a gamble in a game of basketball by going for a 3 point shot.
You can gamble in a game of football by playing your best striker even if he is injured.

If you do not understand the context in which we refer to this as a gamble... then you are not intelligent enough to continue with the conversation. No offence. You just aren't.

Dravak
03-18-2012, 12:14 PM
Ok keep the veiled insult to yourself , so if that makes you happy so be it .

What my IQ or EQ is , you are not qualified to answer , and since you fail at reading comprehension.
Like said before unedited you just argue to argue !

Or are you not capable to understand that .
So will give you the last post , bet it will be something about ego pain and grammar .
In famous new Internet wording ARE YOU MAD BRO ?

Joeycool
03-18-2012, 12:20 PM
Ok keep the veiled insult to yourself , so if that makes you happy so be it .

What my IQ or EQ is , you are not qualified to answer , and since you fail at reading comprehension.
Like said before unedited you just argue to argue !

Or are you not capable to understand that .
So will give you the last post , bet it will be something about ego pain and grammar .
In famous new Internet wording ARE YOU MAD BRO ?

And yet you will still attempt to converse with the adults. Sigh.

i need muney
03-18-2012, 12:27 PM
Why are you trying to beat him? This is a "yeah, right" generator :D
This dude obviously doesnt know the language all that well to get the real deal of what you're saying.

Xira
03-18-2012, 12:27 PM
Although I disagree with the way Dravak is making his point, I do not disagree with it. The way that the events are being conducted, high investment, low return, and inclusion of minors, I would guess it would perk more than a few ears if the right legislators got ahold of it considering these games hover near the top of the iTunes charts in gross income. I am sure Funzio has legally covered there basis though.

erik
03-18-2012, 12:45 PM
Dravak, meet Crime City Mark.

"Actually, you're not spending money. You spent gold. That's how microtransaction games get around being "gambling" games. It's the same as those pachinko parlors where you win prizes and then go to the store down the street to sell those prizes for cash.

You buy gold. That is the only thing you've spent money on. You then spend that gold on a chance (gamble) item. Again, you haven't spent money on that gamble item, just gold." - Crime City Mark

jlhy
03-18-2012, 12:48 PM
Actually, you're not spending money. You spent gold. That's how microtransaction games get around being "gambling" games. It's the same as those pachinko parlors where you win prizes and then go to the store down the street to sell those prizes for cash.

You buy gold. That is the only thing you've spent money on. You then spend that gold on a chance (gamble) item. Again, you haven't spent money on that gamble item, just gold.

This quote is from Crime City Mark on the gambling topic from the diamond event.



Here's the link if you want to read the full thread:

http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?20075-Think-I-am-done-with-this-game/page6

jlhy
03-18-2012, 12:50 PM
Gah erik beat me to it :mad:

Santa
03-18-2012, 12:58 PM
I highly doubt you could beat Funzio on this. From what I'm guessing, they must have covered up every possible legal threat. Anyways, CC is one of the highest grossing games on iTunes. I wish I knew how to program iOS apps.

Xira
03-18-2012, 01:08 PM
I do not want to beat a dead horse but crime city marks comment is more of an opinion than a fact. Online gambling was banned for a variety of reasons, where as casino gambling was not. I don't want to get into legal arguments but I would guess that if the issue ever came to head for funzio, things would fall more towards this being online gambling vs. a pachinko parlor for the same reasons online gambling was banned. I am guessing this is sort of a grey area at the moment.

Anyways, I hope a bunch of the good input can be taken from these threads and they make things more reasonable in the future. If not it will only become a detriment to themselves as we get fed up.

<3 Hz
03-18-2012, 01:30 PM
I don't really care whether it's gambling or not personally. I just think it makes it a bit more fair, especially to those who purchased a lot of gold, but didn't get 10 emerald if they could buy them during the last hour of the event. They would sell a lot of gold in that final hour. If other would complain, well just let them. I think everyone has had some gripe about the game lately such as m4a1 being gone, other items nerfed, the safe event, etc. I would hate to be a customer service rep. for Funzio, I'm sure they are very, very busy assuming they read all complaints sent in.

I do have one good thing to say about the event. I like getting the cash and 500 respect from the safes. The other stuff is worthless for the most part unless you are a new/low level player.

Santa
03-18-2012, 01:39 PM
As long as the game is fun, I really don't care about legal stuff.

Right now though, it's borderline fun.

Dravak
03-18-2012, 01:53 PM
Wow mark dared to admit that , well guess you US citizens like SEZ are in luck .
Especially if you don't get your emerald burner .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_gambling

Go to the us section , for the rest of the world different rules applies.

Now 2012 there is still no new law update about it .
That mark put it between brackets but still dares to admit a statement like that .
Am just a bit flabber gasted no wonder he can do what ever he wants lol .

PR is beyond mess , well congrats SEZ , you can get your money back and start a win win case .

Ram
03-18-2012, 01:58 PM
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