M4A1 Update!

[Don Vito Corleone]

The implication of this change affects the 99%. That's who I am here to protect.

The remaining 1% are the gold buyers who can afford to splash the cash and of course the Funzio executives.

[Plux]

Will you cry when a new gun of say 27 Att comes out and those with few M4's gain hard Att over those lumbered with stocked up M4's. Or will you complain at a new more powerful gun to protect your hoard?

[Likewhoaa]

Will you cry when a new gun of say 27 Att comes out and those with few M4's gain hard Att over those lumbered with stocked up M4's. Or will you complain at a new more powerful gun to protect your hoard?

When is this new superpowered weapon coming out? OmgZZ!

[Don Vito Corleone]

@Plux, if a new weapon is released with better stats than the M4A1 (e.g. the Mossberg, before if actually got nerfed), then this certainly becomes a game changer. However, this is a weapon available to all playing the game, equally to those with a massive stockpile of M4s and those without. Nobody becomes "lumbered" with a stockpile, it's in their best interests to enter the arms race and stock up on the new all-singing, all-dancing weapon in town to keep competitive.

The point here is that there is a level playing field from the outset of the introduction of the weapon. What makes things unbalanced and thus unfair is when that playing field is dislodged half way during the game.

Capiche?

[Bruiser]

Disregard Plux's comments he makes no sense and part of the "Funzio Love float". He has no understanding of the concepts of farming and the fact that EVERYONE can do it which makes it balanced.

[Olrancid]

Make the M4 A1 fall as loot when fighting opponents. You do this with other items in the game, this would be a fair solution.

[madawgg]

damn...i hope not all M4A1 are nerfed...I certainly do not wish the ones in my inventory turn into rusty ones!

[Joe Crime]

I am pissed because i hadnt farmed it. I was about to when a rusty m4 dropped. I have 26. I am screwed! Please, lower the drop rate. Maybe change the location! No one will no where or less people will have it.

[kimberleyj]

I don't know why they got rid of the m4a1 when you click the item it says 400 rp instead of removing it why didn't they just add it to the shop so people could use the rp to get the m4a1.

I didn't farm many either only 11.

[hydrota]

The whole idea of balance is a crock of **** , why be such a coward to explain it as a balance and not a for profit idea is beyond me. Everyone could get it, that is balanced. Now there is many people with 500 of them and newer players that can not get them!!! That is the opposite of balanced!

[Dravak]

The truth is that, till I found the M4A1 was starting to lose interest in the game , and no I didn't use the forums to find out just by stroke of luck doing map quests with multi click .

Now am opposite of the people boycotting you guys , cause truth is funzio need to earn money .
But this reaction to nerfing the M4A1 was just too much , I saw enough people in game quit , they finally were active finding a way to get more powerfull , most were not none gold spenders .
But the crowd you say you balance this game for , fine put a daily cap on the M4A1 even if it as low number as 3.

Getting nice loot make people happy , getting meh and bleh only causes frustration.
Bring back the M4A1

[Nolefan]

Just wasted an hour reading this thread. I'm one of the poor snots who thought he was going to farm them in the mid game after building economy, but hadn't gotten there yet.

I have one simple question. Is there any compelling reason to do PvE now?

[deuces]

I have one simple question. Is there any compelling reason to do PvE now?

I havent since the double deckers went down, sigh. Game is getting boring with the only stat increases being from respect now.

[Behzat]

PVE?Good point.i dont see a reason for pve and for me pve was much enjoyable than pvp.This game is not as enjoyable as the old days.Aaaahh Good Old Days.......

[i need muney]

Pve always makes sense, cause it utilizes the potential of your energy bar. Even lower rates are better then no using it. w00t!

[Swearengen]

I havent since the double deckers went down, sigh. Game is getting boring with the only stat increases being from respect now.

Gotta agree with dueces - i hope something changes in a positive manner soon before I bail on the game.

[mdtacor]

Well at least I won't be using energy anymore because all gained items from now on are worthless by using energy.

[Behzat]

Why dont you completely remove all M4s so you can be fair Funzio or do not touch M4s.But it is the most silly decision to finish this while there are many players with 500 M4A1s and it is not fair!

[Bundy]

SPECIAL CHEAT, ENDLESS ENERGIE AND STAMINA ADD:811 235 669

[erik]

Behzat - If you were on this forum in November, you probably shouldn't be mad at Funzio for not having M4s. You should probably be mad at Behzat.

[erik]

Done Ghost. Good to see you!

[Behzat]

Erik it is not only my problem and also the truth is it is not onLy about M4a1 yeah maybe i wasnt on the forum on November but it doesnt change anything because removing M4s destroyed the balance of the game!while there are many people with 500 m4a1 it is not fair to remove these!and myfriend i haveevery right to get mad at Funzio not myself!Maybe u dont care about them can it be because you have M4a1?Maybe and i dont care all i care is i enjoyed this game until this time but im worried about the future and because of Funzios decision there is no Pve in the game righ now so my friend i have every right to get mad.You know how many people quit the game or boycott the game?it seems like im not the only one who wasnt here on November!

[Behzat]

Oh btw a player named Mig was so upset because of Funzios decision and he reacted hard to Funzios decisions in one thread.You were cool there too and you told the same things to him too:these were discussed in the forums before.Can it be because you are lvl 162 and you have nothing to farm now?Yes i think so!so if you are not farming respect the others and try to understand what we feel.The solution is simple remove all M4a1 s and its fair to everyone like that or bring back the M4a1s.i cant understand why this disturbs you so much.....Btw sorry for my english i can make mistakes while writing because it isnot my native language.

[Don Vito Corleone]

Funzio, Funzio, wherefore art thou Funzio?

Bring back the M4A1, The Crime City Nation is not the same without it.

The Rusty just doesn't quite cut the mustard.

We need some answers.

[erik]

Sorry Behzat, I just went by the join date right under your name.

Anyone reading the forums in November 2011 and hearing piles of posts shouting to farm M4s could have 500 M4s was my only point.

Certainly, different scenarios exist for those here later.

[Behzat]

Thank you for the explanation Erik and sorry my fault i misunderstood.i rlly dont like to be a whining type but i know i am now :) Even i buy gold i was rlly enjoying farming M4a1 s for the Pve part and they were good also.Thats why im a little bit sensitive about this topic. Thank you for the explanation again and rlly sorry if i was a little bit rude.

[xclusiv]

the forum makes up under 3 percent of the total number of active players in crime city, accord to mark. which means they no matter what we say it makes no difference the decision is made.

[Swifty]

When asked if the M4A1 might be brought back, CC Mark said, "Anything is possible."

[i need muney]

When asked if the M4A1 might be brought back, CC Mark said, "Anything is possible."
I wouldnt bet money on that ;)

[Shoes]

True, anything is possible in the imaginary world of Funzio..:p

[angelobruno]

Please bring back the M41 or remove all the M41 and replace with those rusty. If not lots of players are really overpowered cant even touch them its even more unfair.

[Santa]

Can we close this thread now?

[Nudie]

Yes, please close this thread.

[Tony 432847666]

I suggest we close this thread. Its become ugly now.

[thisisdream]

Someone doesn't like freedom of speech. Close it when things are not going their ways.

[Spoon86]

nerf all the existing M4A1's or give everyone the same chance to farm them like the other players had.

[Dipstik]

I wonder if anyone has considered putting the M4 up for sale for in-game money at something in the range of $4-5 million... that would give a bit more meaning to in-game money and give players who didn't farm 500 of them a chance to catch up EVENTUALLY. It's a silly weapon, but not as powerful as the RPG. Shouldn't be a big deal. Farming them was retarded though.

[Behzat]

nerf all the existing M4A1's or give everyone the same chance to farm them like the other players had.

Thats the thing im always saying.This is the fair way.

[617Pats]

I wonder if anyone has considered putting the M4 up for sale for in-game money at something in the range of $4-5 million... that would give a bit more meaning to in-game money and give players who didn't farm 500 of them a chance to catch up EVENTUALLY. It's a silly weapon, but not as powerful as the RPG. Shouldn't be a big deal. Farming them was retarded though.

Like that idea, at least give others a chance

[snowstockholm]

I think making them unfarmable is a terrible idea. You're using the excuse that people who don't come to the forums don't have the same information as people who do. You are correct, however: THEY HAVE EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO BUT ARE CHOOSING NOT TO and for some reason you feel the need to punish people who are trying to further their gaming experience because of those who chose not to do so. Survival of the fittest? I think not. You're turning this game into a crappy version of communism; the people who take the time to get ahead aren't actually getting ahead anymore. Instead we're being herded into the rest of the flock in order to bring "balance" to the game.

You want balance? Put a limit on the amount of gold someone can buy. Instead of nerfing an item that free players can obtain, THAT ISN'T EVEN THE MOST POWERFUL FREE ITEM YOU CAN GET, nerf the super weapons. If you really aren't trying to force people to buy gold then this shouldn't be an issue, should it? You have players that have well over 100k attack and defense, yet you think a gun that will eventually be replaced by another that still won't get you anywhere near those numbers is unbalanced?! Are you insane?! Do YOU have an imbalance in your BRAIN?!

Spot on. I'm surprised you haven't been banned for your voice of reason though. Tramp Stamp seems to have been punished for it.

[i need muney]

I wonder if anyone has considered putting the M4 up for sale for in-game money at something in the range of $4-5 million... that would give a bit more meaning to in-game money and give players who didn't farm 500 of them a chance to catch up EVENTUALLY. It's a silly weapon, but not as powerful as the RPG. Shouldn't be a big deal. Farming them was retarded though.
M4 is worth around 15m if not more. Selling it would be a viable option indeed.

[Swifty]

$15 million per M4A1 seems fair.

[emcee]

I suggested introducing a black market option which allows you to trade or sell items to people in your mob or could extend to all players.

[DCjG]

I have 499 of these that I farmed over the course of 80 levels or so. It was one of the few good reasons to actually use energy. I believe removing farmable items was both a bad idea and one that is not terribly fair to those who planned long term strategies around this. This was not a balance issue. Gold is a balance issue. Without m4a1s, non-gold players have no shot at competing later on, whatsoever. Gold players at my level have at least double the stats of non-gold players and that's being completely tricked out with a full set of m4a1s. Limited gold players like myself need options like m4a1s. They took forever to farm and even with those stellar stats, come no where close to items purchased with gold so I'm not sure what the big issue was.

Do the right thing and bring them back. Having already obtained a full set, I have nothing to gain from this.

[Don Vito Corleone]

Allowing players to trade M4A1s in the black market and in fact all types of weapons, vehicles, etc, is an excellent idea and will definitely enhance the "community" feel of the game, which is what CC Mark indicated was one of their key objectives going forward. Perhaps the folks at Funzio are already considering this, it would definitely open up a new dimension in the game.

[white frog]

I don't think the M4 will be back, but they have to be considering something like it. There's just been too much frustration over it's loss to not give something back!

[Chukuli]

I have 499 of these that I farmed over the course of 80 levels or so. It was one of the few good reasons to actually use energy. I believe removing farmable items was both a bad idea and one that is not terribly fair to those who planned long term strategies around this. This was not a balance issue. Gold is a balance issue. Without m4a1s, non-gold players have no shot at competing later on, whatsoever. Gold players at my level have at least double the stats of non-gold players and that's being completely tricked out with a full set of m4a1s. Limited gold players like myself need options like m4a1s. They took forever to farm and even with those stellar stats, come no where close to items purchased with gold so I'm not sure what the big issue was.

Do the right thing and bring them back. Having already obtained a full set, I have nothing to gain from this.

I totally agree with you. Before i discovered the M4a1s farming, my stats are trashed. I can't do thug goals and consecutive attack goals. Furthermore, rivals just keep on attacking, can't defense oneself properly. Hope funzio can make m4a1 back into the game system. Not for me, for the players who wanted to fulfill and complete the goal list in the game.

Whats the point of playing crimecity just by collecting rents and rob players?

[Spoon86]

give us the m4a1 back!!!!
or nerf the existing ones.

[Swifty]

Or introduce new quality loot into the empty spots in the loot table.

With appropriate stats for the buy-in and energy requirements.

We need new farmable guns, melee, vehicles, armor, and explosives.

[Behzat]

30 page thread and no answer from Funzio how nice ! Are you that much blind that u cant see everyone wants M4A1s back and new loots?

[white frog]

Time to un-sticky this post and let it die!

[Sigil]

If this is true, I won't be spending anymore money.

[Santa]

Oh my god! Will someone please close this thread or unsticky it? This is getting really old and stupid.

[jobadass]

If this is true, I won't be spending anymore money.
sad, but true Sigil. Looks like you'll have some freed up cash. They ended one of the best aspects of the game because it wasn't "fair" for those who didn't know about them. I still count my lucky stars that I figured it out and managed to get my "fair" share of them. Think I have 406 of them.

[Sigil]

As there has been much discussion on this issue, we wanted to provide an update. The original M4A1 was an unintentinally overpowered weapon, and was causing a severe imbalance in the game.

The decision to change the item drops rather than nerfing the existing M4A1's across the board was reflective of the amount of time and effort many people have put into obtaining them. We had to fix the on-going imbalance, but we did not and do not want to invalidate the effort that our players have already invested in improving their characters.

Going foward the drop will now be the Rusty M4A1.

Please attach all comments to this issue in this thread.

Yea, but it can be argued that this decision negates the money spent by many. So, I do understand the decision, but I know that I won't be making anymore purchases. I do know that this is a common flaw in these types of games.

[Spoon86]

Thnx funzio for unbalancing the game a little more then what it was.

[qcchiao]

Just a suggestion, could it be changing the existing M4A1 players have into money or respect points?
Coz the imbalance could not be solved once M4A1 are still present. I understand that players should have already paid much effort in getting those M4A1, so if we transform those M4A1 into money and respect according to the number of M4A1 they have, it may be better than just leaving them in the loot...
The more M4A1 the player has, the more money or respect he/she could get to buy other weapons or building...

[Max Power]

Just a suggestion, could it be changing the existing M4A1 players have into money or respect points?
Coz the imbalance could not be solved once M4A1 are still present. I understand that players should have already paid much effort in getting those M4A1, so if we transform those M4A1 into money and respect according to the number of M4A1 they have, it may be better than just leaving them in the loot...
The more M4A1 the player has, the more money or respect he/she could get to buy other weapons or building...

That's kinda replacing one stat with a similar stat. Not sure how that solves anything, depending on the exchange rate. If we were given equal value, it's a waste of time. If we are not given equal value, it's the same as a nerf, which they have already rejected.

[erik]

Kudos to spoon for defending others on the M4 issue even though he quit 2 weeks ago! Man of the people!

[L Fizzle]

You're welcome. :)