Defense buildings

[Santa]

Are they worth it? From what I've heard, they barely contribute at all. If this is true, then why build defense buildings? I have 6 guard towers and a bunch of level 1 turrets, I feel like selling them is the right thing to do. I have abOve average stats for my level. Please help.

[Tramp Stamp]

Defense buildings are basically worth face value at level 1 and decay quadratically relative to their rated defense as their levels rise. So there's nothing wrong with a field of low level turrets, etc.

[qwert2969]

so we shouldn't upgrade defense buildings? why would they make their value go down??? whats the highest level we should up grade to?

[Ramshutu]

Defense buildings are basically worth face value at level 1 and decay quadratically relative to their rated defense as their levels rise. So there's nothing wrong with a field of low level turrets, etc.

Each defence building also attracts every other defence building in crime city with a force proportional to their masses and inversely proportional to the distance between them.

[Swifty]

Does that work in close proximity to supermassive bodies?

[Ramshutu]

Does that work in close proximity to supermassive bodies?

I could yes this, there are two players at my level, one called 'Dawg' another called 'Big Dawg', I can check the atk/def respectively against these two.

[Santa]

So should I have any defense buildings? If I have above average attack/defense stats and I need space to build my 2nd Brownstone, is it okay to scrap some level 4 towers? I have a bunch of level 1 turrets, but I can put those in those random 2x2 spaces that always seem to pop up. Sell or not to sell?

[CounterSniper]

So should I have any defense buildings? If I have above average attack/defense stats and I need space to build my 2nd Brownstone, is it okay to scrap some level 4 towers? I have a bunch of level 1 turrets, but I can put those in those random 2x2 spaces that always seem to pop up. Sell or not to sell?

Its a personal choice, I would not sell em myself. I would just expand or sell a couple crap buildings. Ive already ditched the souvenir shop, shoe store and clothing store to make room. Getting ready to ditch the sports bar, diner and arcade soon.

[Tramp Stamp]

so we shouldn't upgrade defense buildings? why would they make their value go down???

Their value goes down proportionally to rated defense. The majority of upgraded defense is fictitious and gives the player a false sense of security. The most extreme examples are the hoods full of upgraded Guard Towers or Muai Thai centers, whose defense score may be padded by 100%.

[AppleMacGuy]

Their value goes down proportionally to rated defense. The majority of upgraded defense is fictitious and gives the player a false sense of security. The most extreme examples are the hoods full of upgraded Guard Towers or Muai Thai centers, whose defense score may be padded by 100%.

Hah, hah...one of those will be me then lol, although not quite 100%, more like 20% or so! :cool: Still, I think defence buildings are good for instilling some degree of doubt in some (dumber) rivals...and anyway having built all the worthwhile money buiildings (bar the casinos in progress) I think I suffer from 'building withdrawal syndrome' heh heh! :p

[Tramp Stamp]

I've actually attacked/robbed people whose fight results defense were 50% of their profile defense.

[AppleMacGuy]

I've actually attacked/robbed people whose fight results defense were 50% of their profile defense.

Yeah I bet...I guess they just haven't visited the forum of enlightenment yet...;)

[Imsuperduperawesome]

I personally dont have a single defense building, and I have every money building for my level, 100, and I manage just fine. At a certain point, you start making so much, that it doesnt even matter if people rob you or not.

[qwert2969]

So what level should I max out my existing Gatling and machine guns at???? Some are level 1 some level 2 some 3. What level should I stop at???????

[qwert2969]

When I said Gatling I meant turrets and machine guns???? Help a confused soul!!!

[CounterSniper]

When I said Gatling I meant turrets and machine guns???? Help a confused soul!!!

The number crunchers have said stop at 3, I personally stopped at 5. Do what you feel comfortable with.

[Nicholost]

The number crunchers have said stop at 3, I personally stopped at 5. Do what you feel comfortable with.
I deleted 8 lvl 6 Guard Towers and 1 lvl 7 Abandon Building and saw no additional losses from attackers and robbers as a result. I just this week added 8 lvl 1 Gattling Turrets because it felt weird having a full upgrade queue while not building anything. They'll probably never make it to lvl 2 though.

I'm definitely a believer in the theory of decreasing gains as you level defense buildings. Like TS and others, I have robbed and attacked players and wittnessed dramatic differences in their posted and actual defense. The numbers on the fight results in addition to the fight outcome support this.

[CounterSniper]

I deleted 8 lvl 6 Guard Towers and 1 lvl 7 Abandon Building and saw no additional losses from attackers and robbers as a result. I just this week added 8 lvl 1 Gattling Turrets because it felt weird having a full upgrade queue while not building anything. They'll probably never make it to lvl 2 though.

I'm definitely a believer in the theory of decreasing gains as you level defense buildings. Like TS and others, I have robbed and attacked players and wittnessed dramatic differences in their posted and actual defense. The numbers on the fight results in addition to the fight outcome support this.

I have never doubted TS's number crunching ability and I wouldnt have gone to 5 on my towers had i read that thread first. I still cant bring myself to delete them.........yet.

[Nudie]

I've set myself a goofy goal of having at least one of each type of building in my hood. I don't think I'm ready to get rid of 49 gatling turrets just yet.

[adrian-name]

Defense buildings are almost useless against pvp attack.
Different story is with robberies. You get 100% value.

[Synergy]

I've actually attacked/robbed people whose fight results defense were 50% of their profile defense.

Mine isn't that bad, but was at one point. My defense buildings account for a little over 20k of my mafia defense. I'm definitely keeping my lips zipped on this topic, as we all know what happened last time I didn't. Trying to avoid the ban hammer.

[Tramp Stamp]

Defense buildings are almost useless against pvp attack.
Different story is with robberies. You get 100% value.

According to Peacock's analysis you get only 2x mafia defense from defense buildings against robberies, which would make them of similar value.

[Swifty]

I looked at Peacock's analysis (again), but I don't understand the "2x mafia defense." Can you explain it further?

The important conclusion for me was that I get the full defense value of a level 1 building against rob attempts.

Am i incorrect on that latter point?

[Tramp Stamp]

It's confusing since I explained from the standpoint of attacks. It's more convenient to assume full (adjusted) defense for robberies and half for attacks.

[snuke]

I'm so confused from all the different information here - do defense buildings NOT give you the purported amount of defense that is listed? For instance, if a Safehouse at Level 7 gives you a 130 defense and I upgrade it to Level 8 for 166 defense, am I not really getting that extra 36 points of defense when I'm attacked?

Just a little lost on how it actually works now....

[murf]

I'm so confused from all the different information here - do defense buildings NOT give you the purported amount of defense that is listed? For instance, if a Safehouse at Level 7 gives you a 130 defense and I upgrade it to Level 8 for 166 defense, am I not really getting that extra 36 points of defense when I'm attacked?

Just a little lost on how it actually works now....

Read Peacock's explanation in the Best of the Best...

[PawnXIIX]

Don't bump old topics...?

I saw Tramp Stamp posting and was like '...what?'

[corbaman]

I wouldn't build any defense buildings unless you feel you desperate for more defense, or you are basically "done" constructing new money buildings.

50 Level 2 Muay Thai Centers are outstanding. They build and upgrade quickly relative to the stat gain, and have a 4x4 footprint, so they don't eat up much space.

50 Level 1 Machine guns and 50 Level 1 Gatling guns are a distant second and third. You can boost them to level 2, at a cost of valuable upgrade time.

As a whole, upgrading past Level 2 is substantially diminishing returns in terms of upgrade time. Don't upgrade any of the above to Level 3 until you've upgrade everything to Level 2.

After that, you can start building Level 1 Missile Turrets, just to be constructing something, but don't ever upgrade them.

[jeffrey25]

read this...

it explains what the effective D of a defense building is....as opposed to it advertised defense value

http://crimecityios.wikia.com/wiki/Defense_Buildings

for example....level 10 guard tower boasts a 255 defense in ur stat...but only accounts for 17 defense when under seige