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procsyzarc
02-15-2012, 04:28 PM
600 gold and couldn't get one diamond for it, 60 gold left so guess will see but $80 on an app and still couldn't get the item guess it isn't a game I want to surport that makes you spend real money for a chance.

Bruiser
02-15-2012, 04:31 PM
Im thinking the same thing...Lets piss off the gold players and support free players...Good business sense Funzio

G Wiz
02-15-2012, 04:41 PM
Im all for this stuff now...

procsyzarc
02-15-2012, 05:43 PM
LOL just opened one with in game money to see the message "try using gold" really made me think **** funzio since I just used 660

OG Kush
02-15-2012, 05:59 PM
A 100% chance should be a 100% on getting what to want. Not crappy loot items.

Bruce_law
02-15-2012, 06:26 PM
You've got a bad luck...

If im in your place certainly gonna stop playing this. This game is like being is vegas.

And $80? Holy fuc*....

Nudie
02-15-2012, 06:51 PM
I was really tempted to use real money to buy gold for this event. Then I pinched myself hard and came back to my senses. Resisted going over to the dark side.

blondealex
02-15-2012, 06:58 PM
You are def not alone. I have talked to several people who say the greed in this event has pushed them to the edge of quitting.

procsyzarc
02-15-2012, 07:04 PM
I was really tempted to use real money to buy gold for this event. Then I pinched myself hard and came back to my senses. Resisted going over to the dark side.

My thoughts were best weapon in game plus gives extra respect so if were going to spend money on anything this would be it but the way it is done with RNG is crap. Should either be a full RNG event with no gold involved or a gold items mixing both just pisses off your customers

nvbealone
02-15-2012, 07:10 PM
time for mass quit!!

Swifty
02-15-2012, 07:15 PM
The HD event is going to be very interesting.

If it happens.

ruffy
02-15-2012, 07:22 PM
i feel you, i spend 510 gold and not even 1 diamond...

emailed funzio, but all they say is its not 100% guarantee for a diamond....

Please sort out the unlucky streak for us....

Euchred
02-15-2012, 07:23 PM
The HD event is going to be very interesting.

If it happens.

I don't think I'll participate in the HD event so I won't have to update and lose the multi hit drops. It's only my camper account though.

617Pats
02-15-2012, 08:47 PM
I spent like 100 Tapjoy gold to try and get last diamond. Not spending real cash on a bull**** chance. I personally believe that Funzio lacks a respect for their customer base. Wont quit the game because have not spent real money but discouraged enough to never spend a dime. I spent $16 though buying buildings and felt scammed on Bodygaurd agencies.

procsyzarc
02-15-2012, 10:03 PM
As much as it went against everything I believe in and I hate myself for it, I snapped since $130 doesn't mean much too me and brought another 1500 gold and after another 110 gold (770 total) got the diamond.

As much as I hate funzio for their money hungry model kinda have to resect how good they are at separating idiots (like me and even more so payam from their money) grats you greedy bastards

Kockie
02-15-2012, 10:04 PM
I don't get why everyone is so mad. I also spent about 80 bucks on gold and did not get any diamonds from it. But I'm not crying... You knew what you were getting in to: a chance to get some virtual pixels, no guarantees. You probably shouldn't have spent the money if the loss of it over the gamble was going to make you upset.

Burn
02-16-2012, 12:00 AM
Nice to see you have your perspective back Procsyzarc.

For others who are still raging... Lighten up people, it's just a game, and the choice is yours in terms of how you interact with it.

You can't make them choices, and then complain when things didn't go your way, particularly as regards an event that has been promoted all along as a 'chance'.

Funzio are not to blame. YOU are to blame.

Even if it was cynical, even if Funzio took advantage of your weakness and robbed you - dude that is no different to your whole CC strategy... put in the work to gain a position of strength, find the weak, rob them.

I'll repeat again, it's all about choices. Choices YOU made. So quit whining like spoiled brat kids and man the f#ck up.

clo
02-16-2012, 12:03 AM
Not mad... just saying.

Invested way too much time into this game with no results. Funzio turned this game into a chance game for a week and people who chose to play along are mad they did. It's a legitimate complaint.

K@le
02-16-2012, 12:12 AM
They got me really sick this last 2 days, for not let me having my last diamond so bought gold and spent 350 from it 3 min before the event ends and my last gold bar gave me finally my 10th diamond pffff
But in the end it is not over if the timer ends there is a new message saying "event ends SOON!"

willydpooh
02-16-2012, 12:17 AM
i got 9 diamonds at the end, and still got 1 last chance when I saw the "SOON" mark and I am on 2 mins to get my last attempt but my internet fail, and need to restart my phone.
when I came back, its gone!

good thing I dont spend any dime... but still happy for the 3 weapon and lots of respect earned from the event

willydpooh
02-16-2012, 12:23 AM
Not mad... just saying.

Invested way too much time into this game with no results. Funzio turned this game into a chance game for a week and people who chose to play along are mad they did. It's a legitimate complaint.

they should had let it easy on those gold spender

Royal Flush
02-16-2012, 12:38 AM
If it was any regulated industry they would have been hadup for mis-selling. It was essentially a casino type event with no skill involved (unlike poker) & in that scenario it is always the house that wins!

Wonder if they need a gambling license for this? There was no "skill" involved it was just the luck of the draw

Fig Oni
02-16-2012, 02:25 AM
If it was any regulated industry they would have been hadup for mis-selling. It was essentially a casino type event with no skill involved (unlike poker) & in that scenario it is always the house that wins!

Wonder if they need a gambling license for this? There was no "skill" involved it was just the luck of the draw

Defo need to write to the gambling commision (not even a joke)
I think buying scratch card would of had a better return

So anyone with the email address send it over as its worth writing to them

BigCheese
02-16-2012, 02:29 AM
those who spend heaps RM for this game... u r just a zombie for FZ. you are FZ, ATM cash machine. u become FZ lunch. and worst your time opportunity cost to do something big in real life is gone.

Swifty
02-16-2012, 04:57 AM
I have something to say here, but the forum veterans are already tired of hearing it, so consider it said.

Again.

Joeycool
02-16-2012, 09:41 AM
I have something to say here, but the forum veterans are already tired of hearing it, so consider it said.

Again.

For those of you who dont know... swifty is thanking you all for spending money to fund the game so he can play for free. (he is a bit of a cheapskate apparently)

blondealex
02-16-2012, 10:00 AM
I'm going to write off the gold that I spent trying to get the sig and being unsuccessful to helping Swifty.

Dorian Gray
02-16-2012, 10:18 AM
I have something to say here, but the forum veterans are already tired of hearing it, so consider it said.

Again.

You could always just put it in your signiture...

Swifty
02-16-2012, 10:44 AM
Wouldn't it just be easier for you to put me on your ignore list?

Tramp Stamp
02-16-2012, 10:45 AM
Where is that fox from?

whocareswhatmynameis
02-16-2012, 10:55 AM
Wouldn't it just be easier for you to put me on your ignore list?

why are you so eager to be put on the ignore list?

murf
02-16-2012, 11:01 AM
Defo need to write to the gambling commision (not even a joke)
I think buying scratch card would of had a better return

So anyone with the email address send it over as its worth writing to them

The problem is every time you did use gold, the box opened and you won something...even if it was 5 worthless mafia members....so the prize was random, not whether you won something or not.

Max Power
02-16-2012, 11:11 AM
Nice to see you have your perspective back Procsyzarc.

For others who are still raging... Lighten up people, it's just a game, and the choice is yours in terms of how you interact with it.

You can't make them choices, and then complain when things didn't go your way, particularly as regards an event that has been promoted all along as a 'chance'.

Funzio are not to blame. YOU are to blame.

Even if it was cynical, even if Funzio took advantage of your weakness and robbed you - dude that is no different to your whole CC strategy... put in the work to gain a position of strength, find the weak, rob them.

I'll repeat again, it's all about choices. Choices YOU made. So quit whining like spoiled brat kids and man the f#ck up.

Exactly. It seems like we are dealing with a crew that expects everybody to get a trophy.


I have something to say here, but the forum veterans are already tired of hearing it, so consider it said.

Again.

LOL!

Swifty
02-16-2012, 11:12 AM
The fox picture was taken by a scout camera in my garden.

The photo was crystal clear, but as you can see, I fumbled the transfer so that it is now grainy.

I am hoping to fix that when I get a some extra time to devote to it.

Dorian Gray
02-16-2012, 11:25 AM
The fox picture was taken by a scout camera in my garden.

The photo was crystal clear, but as you can see, I fumbled the transfer so that it is now grainy.

I am hoping to fix that when I get a some extra time to devote to it.

My boss is a bow hunter so we're always checkin' out what his cams captured. Mostly deer and turkeys, with a bobcat thrown in here or there.

blondealex
02-16-2012, 12:43 PM
The fox picture was taken by a scout camera in my garden.

The photo was crystal clear, but as you can see, I fumbled the transfer so that it is now grainy.

I am hoping to fix that when I get a some extra time to devote to it.

I use the Moultrie myself.

Fig Oni
02-16-2012, 01:20 PM
The problem is every time you did use gold, the box opened and you won something...even if it was 5 worthless mafia members....so the prize was random, not whether you won something or not.

Not being funny but your answer don't make any sense to the question asked or you haven't explained yourself properly.

Also had not even once got a mafia member aka henchman in the lockbox event that would have been nicer then the $2500 I got a few times.

murf
02-16-2012, 01:27 PM
Not being funny but your answer don't make any sense to the question asked or you haven't explained yourself properly.

Also had not even once got a mafia member aka henchman in the lockbox event that would have been nicer then the $2500 I got a few times.

I was saying why this isn't comparable to scratchoffs and wasn't gambling...you didn't assume any risk...you used gold to open the lockbox, it opened and you received some random item...because you wanted a diamond and got $2500 instead doesn't make it gambling...you purchased a random item from the lockbox for 10 gold

Crime City Mark
02-16-2012, 03:16 PM
I was saying why this isn't comparable to scratchoffs and wasn't gambling...you didn't assume any risk...you used gold to open the lockbox, it opened and you received some random item...because you wanted a diamond and got $2500 instead doesn't make it gambling...you purchased a random item from the lockbox for 10 gold

This is exactly correct. Nowhere did we promise diamonds. It was always a chance to receive. We're still going over the numbers and the results of this event because it was an experiment. We made sure that everyone had a chance to get 10 diamonds, and that no investment was needed other than participation. This was the most fair we could make the event and still have an element of chance. Otherwise it would just have been an item sale.

G Wiz
02-16-2012, 03:27 PM
Cant really argue with that

Fig Oni
02-16-2012, 03:46 PM
Not being funny but your answer don't make any sense to the question asked or you haven't explained yourself properly.

Also had not even once got a mafia member aka henchman in the lockbox event that would have been nicer then the $2500 I got a few times.

You didn't understand the point when the lockbox event started there were 3 option
1. low chance 2. fair chance 3.100% chance so now the point is.

Is if in 3 days of cash/free lockpicks you only mange to have an overall chance on under 15% success rate to open them, let alone getting a diamond is far too low. I had 6 in a row of expert lockpick fail daily between 6am-2pm GMT also can funzio justify a 10 gold lockpick for return of $2500, or paying $11k for a $2500 return to me it's a gamble because like in a casino chip have no value till they are cashed and the chip we were using were gold bars.
Now that said I was more concerned about getting a condo built they getting the sig also I don't see me using 110 gold bars have effected me in any way with the remaining gold I brought crates now looking I wish I brought a couple thermal sleeper

Quick 2 Question to Mark - When the HD event comes along will it be ok for people who didn't obtain the sig and also own a ipad to transfer the game to collect the 10 diamond weapon

Also I think you should of had the event for 10 days but 7 days was fine too.

nappyface
02-16-2012, 04:07 PM
This is exactly correct. Nowhere did we promise diamonds. It was always a chance to receive. We're still going over the numbers and the results of this event because it was an experiment. We made sure that everyone had a chance to get 10 diamonds, and that no investment was needed other than participation. This was the most fair we could make the event and still have an element of chance. Otherwise it would just have been an item sale.

I have no dog in this fight since I was one of the ones that decided not to use gold on this event, but your explanation sounds like the very definition of gambling. "Gambling is the wagering of money or something of material value (referred to as "the stakes") on an event with an uncertain outcome with the primary intent of winning additional money and/or material goods. Typically, the outcome of the wager is evident within a short period."

617Pats
02-16-2012, 04:25 PM
I have no dog in this fight since I was one of the ones that decided not to use gold on this event, but your explanation sounds like the very definition of gambling. "Gambling is the wagering of money or something of material value (referred to as "the stakes") on an event with an uncertain outcome with the primary intent of winning additional money and/or material goods. Typically, the outcome of the wager is evident within a short period."

I am sure a lawyer could make a case out of it, LOL.

erik
02-16-2012, 05:16 PM
And then funzio might remind you that you don't actually own anything of material value and thus can not increase anything of material value as funzio owns all content within your hood as per the EULA.

"Selling hoods is not allowed. If a phone changes hands that's one thing, but the hood itself isn't your property." - Crime City Mark

Nudie
02-16-2012, 05:36 PM
I didn't get a diamond sig. I didn't spend any gold. I enjoy playing the game. The game is not perfect. I will keep playing the game until I no longer enjoy playing the game.

Mouse
02-16-2012, 06:35 PM
Everyone whining, your just a pack of sore losers and that's the end of it, it's not gambling because you were gaurenteed you would get something, anything when you chose the 100% chance of opening! It opened and you won something!! It's not hard to understand! And you chose to reset the timer and the timer reset, That's not gambling!

nappyface
02-16-2012, 06:43 PM
And then funzio might remind you that you don't actually own anything of material value and thus can not increase anything of material value as funzio owns all content within your hood as per the EULA.

"Selling hoods is not allowed. If a phone changes hands that's one thing, but the hood itself isn't your property." - Crime City Mark

You're still spending money with the expectation of receiving something in return. Whether you are talking about lock boxes or crates, the reality of the situation is that money is being spent for a "chance" to receive a particular item. Users know what they are "purchasing" in regard to regular gold items, however they are "purchasing" a chance for varying items when dealing with lock boxes and crates. IMO, the chance aspect of lock boxes and crates is where the gambling aspect comes into play. Ultimately, while users don't own anything they purchase in the game, I think the definition is still applicable and one of the main reasons for their seemingly overwhelming popularity.

nappyface
02-16-2012, 06:46 PM
Everyone whining, your just a pack of sore losers and that's the end of it, it's not gambling because you were gaurenteed you would get something, anything when you chose the 100% chance of opening! It opened and you won something!! It's not hard to understand! And you chose to reset the timer and the timer reset, That's not gambling!

I don't play the lottery but I know for a fact that their have been $20 scratch off tickets guaranteeing a winner everytime. The minimum and most common prize I believe was $5. Would this not be considering gambling since you were guaranteed something in return?

Tramp Stamp
02-16-2012, 06:47 PM
Everyone whining, your just a pack of sore losers and that's the end of it, it's not gambling because you were gaurenteed you would get something, anything when you chose the 100% chance of opening! It opened and you won something!! It's not hard to understand! And you chose to reset the timer and the timer reset, That's not gambling!

In the State of New Jersey, it is. I have personal experience with the Casino Control Commission over this subject.

Crime City Mark
02-16-2012, 06:48 PM
Actually, you're not spending money. You spent gold. That's how microtransaction games get around being "gambling" games. It's the same as those pachinko parlors where you win prizes and then go to the store down the street to sell those prizes for cash.

You buy gold. That is the only thing you've spent money on. You then spend that gold on a chance (gamble) item. Again, you haven't spent money on that gamble item, just gold.

Ohaithere
02-16-2012, 06:49 PM
Sneaky sneaky, but fair enough I guess, end of the day it's your decision

Tramp Stamp
02-16-2012, 06:57 PM
It's the same as those pachinko parlors where you win prizes and then go to the store down the street to sell those prizes for cash.

And Chuck-E-Cheese, where you use tickets to choose prizes. People have brought gambling suits against them, though. Besides the obvious benefit of converting real money to fake money, I think many arcades, especially the mall ones with prize games, use tokens because they're gun shy about gambling accusations.

P.S. I respect you Mark for calling it what it is and not getting defensive about it.

blondealex
02-16-2012, 08:44 PM
And Chuck-E-Cheese, where you use tickets to choose prizes.

I love those 1000 ticket spider rings.

pooOnU
02-17-2012, 01:49 AM
Actually, you're not spending money. You spent gold. That's how microtransaction games get around being "gambling" games. It's the same as those pachinko parlors where you win prizes and then go to the store down the street to sell those prizes for cash.

You buy gold. That is the only thing you've spent money on. You then spend that gold on a chance (gamble) item. Again, you haven't spent money on that gamble item, just gold.

Well played Mark. THAT ends the argument. "Nuff said".

Max Power
02-17-2012, 07:18 AM
You're still spending money with the expectation of receiving something in return.

Well, you did receive something in return. Just because you didn't get the item that you wanted most didn't mean you didn't get anything. They delivered exactly what they promised. I am not sure why you care if it is called gambling or not.

By your definition, every fight or rob is a gamble because you might not like what you got.

I am not sure how anyone could not see that going in.

TemplarX
02-17-2012, 07:41 AM
High marks to cc mark for responding in a straightforward and unambiguous manner. We need funzio to be more interactive and responsive in this forum.

nappyface
02-17-2012, 09:22 AM
Well, you did receive something in return. Just because you didn't get the item that you wanted most didn't mean you didn't get anything. They delivered exactly what they promised. I am not sure why you care if it is called gambling or not.

By your definition, every fight or rob is a gamble because you might not like what you got.

I am not sure how anyone could not see that going in.

See the rest of that post and the following for the entirety of my argument. I wouldn't consider fighting and robbing a gamble since you don't have to spend money in order to participate. Mark gave us the explanation for why it's not considered gambling from a legal perspective and that is what ultimately matters. Like I said, I have no dog in this fight and was simply providing another viewpoint.

Max Power
02-17-2012, 10:50 AM
See the rest of that post and the following for the entirety of my argument. I wouldn't consider fighting and robbing a gamble since you don't have to spend money in order to participate. Mark gave us the explanation for why it's not considered gambling from a legal perspective and that is what ultimately matters. Like I said, I have no dog in this fight and was simply providing another viewpoint.

Were ya gonna sue em?