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Ohaithere
01-28-2012, 09:59 AM
A guy called old nick attacked and robbed all my buildings when I was in hospital yesterday for a checkup and could not get on the Internet, fair play I can't argue. Today I attack and rob a few of his buildings, nothing compared to what he got from me and he posts on my wall 38 times.

He is still in my news feed so I will only target him now, I sent him a message telling him to man the fk up and he is pathetic, only one post, I don't need to spam him.

Any other people find people spamming when they started it? This is my first encounter with a spammer that attacked me first

Ohaithere
01-28-2012, 10:00 AM
He is still spamming, up to 48 now

Joeycool
01-28-2012, 10:16 AM
Hi mate... Read this thread. Apparently there is a way to block people now.

That way you wont get any more spam from this person.

http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?8858-Deleting-Comments&highlight=spam

COHagan23
01-28-2012, 10:22 AM
I can confirm that feature does not work yet. Prior to the last update Funzio Support told me the feature would be available in the next release. Then regarding another incident following the last release they also said it would be in the "next" update. Obviously I have had the chance to try it with the latest version with no success.

tctt
01-28-2012, 10:30 AM
I've gotten it from players way above me who attack and rob you, you cash in your respect or buy some gold, give it back to them and they spam away. I had one guy do it, then he came back and attacked me 2 days later. As soon as I retaliated, spam city.

TemplarX
01-28-2012, 11:20 AM
You can email Funzio support about the spam. Don't delete the spam messages until Funzio has closed the case. I don't exactly know what action Funzio takes, but so far, those serial spammers whom I complained against never bothered me again. Also, I have the option to block players who had sent more than 1 message to me. However, doing so would immediately delete all existing messages from that sender, so you don't want to do so until Funzio looks into the situation.

Leetfeet
01-28-2012, 11:30 AM
Isn't spamming just a strategy for getting out of someone's feed? Or did they change it?

Joeycool
01-28-2012, 11:50 AM
Isn't spamming just a strategy for getting out of someone's feed? Or did they change it?

Yes it is. In the same way that using a jailbroken iphone is a "strategy" for getting free gold.

christo
01-28-2012, 12:09 PM
Yes it is. In the same way that using a jailbroken iphone is a "strategy" for getting free gold.

Jailbroken phones don't work for the free gold anymore :(

Joeycool
01-28-2012, 12:15 PM
Jailbroken phones don't work for the free gold anymore :(

I think my sarcasm may have been lost on you...

Royal Flush
01-28-2012, 12:24 PM
I've had that; guy robbed me & bit off more than he could chew .... Then the spam errupted! 300 odd messages in a day! It's only until I did the same saying I hope he has as much fun deleting my messages (non abusive) as I did that he stopped.

jobadass
01-28-2012, 12:56 PM
what level is he on? I like to continue to attack and egg on the crazies

Leetfeet
01-28-2012, 01:11 PM
300 messages.. That's idiotic and should be reported.

I don't feel it's exploiting or abusive to post 30 messages if you attacked someone once and they keep attacking/robbing you 60 times a day for a week. Migth not be the "samurai" way, but it certainly is economically smart.

And it's not like you are circumventing game mechanics to pull it off..

Joeycool
01-28-2012, 01:23 PM
If someone spams my wall I will go out of my way to find them on my rivals list. I will also leave them a message explaining why they can expect to be constantly attacked by me.

Attacking and robbing is part of the game... dont ruin someones news feed with spam if they attack you. Its out of order. If you dont like being attacked go and play tap zoo.

Thats where I stand on this one!

Leetfeet
01-28-2012, 02:34 PM
If someone spams my wall I will go out of my way to find them on my rivals list. I will also leave them a message explaining why they can expect to be constantly attacked by me.

Attacking and robbing is part of the game... dont ruin someones news feed with spam if they attack you. Its out of order. If you dont like being attacked go and play tap zoo.

Thats where I stand on this one!

Replying with quote so I can stay on topic ^.^ I'm a rambler!

I could say if you only like attacking and not defending, you should go play blablabla. And personally I am into economics the most, so I should go play Trade Nations etcetc. But I like like most aspects of this game enough to stay put and have a blast =)

The way I see it, the game has several defensive mechanics. And I look at them as clinically as I look at various ways to enhance my attacking game. To me, as long as it's in the game and Funzio doesnt change/discourage it, spamming news feed is a potential way to make it more troublesome for someone to focus my money away from me.

For example. I was attacking a guy's lofts for 2 weeks. I had them completely under control; I knew exactly when they were up. He spammed my feed. I spent an unhealthy amount of time looking for him and I didn't find him again. What do I think about it? Well played. More money for him.

To be completely honest I don't see the difference between spamming a news feed with messages and getting a stronger friend to spam someone's news feed with attacks. Same thing, eh?

Anyways im off to a date! Wish me luck ^.^

Ohaithere
01-28-2012, 03:04 PM
I disagree I think spamming is an abuse of the system, the message system was not meant to be a tool to hide from people. If I want to hide from someone I just don't attack them, or I sync my buildings so I can collect them all at once

Joeycool
01-28-2012, 03:11 PM
I disagree I think spamming is an abuse of the system, the message system was not meant to be a tool to hide from people. If I want to hide from someone I just don't attack them, or I sync my buildings so I can collect them all at once

Spot on mate... It may work to spam a persons wall. But so does any type of cheating. However cheating is against the rules!

@ leedfeet. Good luck on your date. Leave your iphone in your pocket!

Hmmm... perhaps you wont get time to collect on your buildings. You called leedfeet in game?? ;)

Tramp Stamp
01-28-2012, 05:12 PM
I'm of the opinion that players should not be faulted for taking advantage of system flaws, especially in an environment where rule enforcement is selective and seemingly arbitrary, and especially in an ecosystem where there exists obvious developer apathy toward such concerns. Concepts heavily advocated here such as "499 mob isn't allowed" and "no spamming" amount to house rules that inevitably favor the people making the rules.

Of course if the guy's an *******, feel free to call him an *******. He's an ******* because he's an *******, not because he's playing to win, or at least trying to.

Personally I feel everyone should spam and everyone should have a 499 mob so that the issues reach critical mass sooner and something decisive is done about it, rather than have plodding, tentative measures taken over a period of months, which is the status quo.

Babytway
01-28-2012, 05:28 PM
the block feature works for me already, ihave used it more than once. the messages are deleted from your comment wall and newsfeed. also if they start spamming only one or two message goes to your newsfeed but the rest are posted on your comment wall. this is what i noticed from my game only.

617Pats
01-28-2012, 05:36 PM
Jailbroken phones don't work for the free gold anymore :(

Yeah they do, your just not smart enough to know how to use them.

TemplarX
01-28-2012, 08:39 PM
Tramp, even real world legal systems are not a 'catch all' with rules against all undesirable behavior in all situations, that's why there are social and moral codes. CC's system can't eliminate spamming, but that does not give players free pass for such undesirable game play. The way to deal with people who stalk you is to hanker down, be more vigilant on collecting from your buildings than the enemy, wait for the link to your hood to disappear from his newsfeed, get stronger in the meantime, and just suffer for offending a stronger player. That's the way of the mafia! Spamming is technically possible, but it's cowardly and it spoils the game for the other party...so Funzio should strictly enforce a penalty on players who spam with the intention of crowding out the other's message box.

Tramp Stamp
01-28-2012, 11:18 PM
Tramp, even real world legal systems are not a 'catch all' with rules against all undesirable behavior in all situations

Kind of a non-sequitur, no? Besides, this isn't true. "Disorderly conduct" exists solely as a catch-all legal charge. One can also be arrested for "resisting arrest" or can even be held without charge for a period of time.


that's why there are social and moral codes.

Arbitrary codes created by people in strategically superior positions. The same people will say that constantly robbing the same person is fair game because it's within the rules, but if that person tries protecting himself via spamming, which is also allowable by the game engine, then suddenly he's crossed the line?


CC's system can't eliminate spamming

Eliminate, no. Largely mitigate, yes. After months of constant complaining from users, they've finally rolled out a filtering system to some 10% of the userbase. Color me unimpressed with the response.


that does not give players free pass for such undesirable game play.

It's not even a "free pass". It has been expressed multiple times that spamming makes one a target and, with a functioning mitigation system in place this behavior will become regulated, both by self and by others.


Funzio should strictly enforce a penalty on players who spam with the intention of crowding out the other's message box.

But they don't, not even close, even though such would be trivial to automate. Therefore it's just an empty threat.

christo
01-29-2012, 01:01 AM
I think my sarcasm may have been lost on you...

Many things are lost on me :(

Toseffibbop
01-29-2012, 01:20 AM
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Jest nieco metod nabycia internetowego obraz filmowy net.

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Kluczową metodą jest utworzenie jednego zakupu społem z filmy online miejsc, takich jako CinemaNow czyli Movielink. Zwyczajowo wnosi się w każdym miejscu od czasu 9. 99 aż do 29. 99 do pobrania wszystkich filmu.

Ściąganie plików istnieje zazwyczaj w formacie Windows Massmedia i dodatkowo istnieje przeznaczony do odtwarzania na komputerze tylko.

Joeycool
01-29-2012, 06:28 AM
For what its worth I'm with you templarX.

Tramp you seem to be saying you should be able to do anything you want in the game as long as you are able to do so... thats not the way I like to act.

I will never spam any ones wall.
I will never loose 1 mafia member. (if every one did this there would be no thuglife goals for anyone)
I will never purposely attack or rob a forum friend in the game.

Its about playing the game in a sporting manner and not using gamesmanship to get ahead.

doomnosee
01-29-2012, 08:54 AM
Well here's a reminder of my view on this...

http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?16064-Spammers&highlight=spam

I have only been spammed twice by both these players on this list and they will stay on my priority list. Feel free to add new targets for me :-)

Max Power
01-29-2012, 09:24 AM
Tramp Stamp, you make some valid points.

That being said:

1. 499 is for pussies.
2. Spamming is for pussies.

BigCheese
01-29-2012, 09:33 AM
pathetic player is pussies king

Leetfeet
01-29-2012, 10:19 AM
Arbitrary codes created by people in strategically superior positions. The same people will say that constantly robbing the same person is fair game because it's within the rules, but if that person tries protecting himself via spamming, which is also allowable by the game engine, then suddenly he's crossed the line?



This. More eloquently put what my views on the matter are.

There is a code on this forum that basically states that stronger players should pray on the weak, and the weak should take it.

"I get robbed by stronger players, therefore I shall rob you. The only defense I accept is sell all your buildings that you can't collect the second they are collectable. You are a pussy if you buy lots of gold. You are a pussy if you reduce mafia size. You are a pussy if you try to get away by spamming my wall with messages. Me filling up YOUR wall with my attacks is not spamming."

I mean..what is this? Medieval army rules? Oh you are put in the Vanguard? Tough ****. Stay there for a year. The seasoned players on these forums remind me more and more of the nobles in Game of Thrones actually =) (amagawd season 2 comming soon!!)

Leetfeet
01-29-2012, 10:29 AM
@ leedfeet. Good luck on your date. Leave your iphone in your pocket!

Hmmm... perhaps you wont get time to collect on your buildings. You called leedfeet in game?? ;)

Date was a dud =( I left 3/4 in when she answered a text msg in the middle of a conversation.

It's Leetfeet in game too =) But I wont be entering your arena for quite a while. I have a few personal goals to set first! And it's very comfortable to not need to bank my money =P is that cheating too?

Could invite you my hood, but it's not much to look at. Just an industrial China with no numbers showing ^.^

Max Power
01-29-2012, 11:31 AM
This. More eloquently put what my views on the matter are.

There is a code on this forum that basically states that stronger players should pray on the weak, and the weak should take it.

"I get robbed by stronger players, therefore I shall rob you. The only defense I accept is sell all your buildings that you can't collect the second they are collectable. You are a pussy if you buy lots of gold. You are a pussy if you reduce mafia size. You are a pussy if you try to get away by spamming my wall with messages. Me filling up YOUR wall with my attacks is not spamming."

I mean..what is this? Medieval army rules? Oh you are put in the Vanguard? Tough ****. Stay there for a year. The seasoned players on these forums remind me more and more of the nobles in Game of Thrones actually =) (amagawd season 2 comming soon!!)

Marquess of Queensberry rules, Broseph. No eye gouging, no hair pulling, no scratching, and above all, no kicking in the jaspers.

Joeycool
01-29-2012, 12:47 PM
Marquess of Queensberry rules, Broseph. No eye gouging, no hair pulling, no scratching, and above all, no kicking in the jaspers.

No fish hooking or biting either!

Tramp Stamp
01-29-2012, 12:52 PM
Tramp you seem to be saying you should be able to do anything you want in the game as long as you are able to do so...

Absolutely. If there's a broken mechanic, it's up to the designers to balance it. Until then, leveraging the broken mechanic becomes the way to play the game.


thats not the way I like to act.

It's fine to subscribe to a personal philosophy but trying to impose your codes on others either indirectly (calls to arms on the forum) or directly (in-game bullying) is at least as much of an offense as the wall spamming.

Joeycool
01-29-2012, 01:00 PM
It's fine to subscribe to a personal philosophy but trying to impose your codes on others either indirectly (calls to arms on the forum) or directly (in-game bullying) is at least as much of an offense as the wall spamming.

I have never called anyone to arms in the forum. Nor do I bully anyone in the game.

I find that to be an unfair and hurtful comment. I have only ever expressed my opinion.

That is that spamming is a form of gamesmanship. And thats not how I play.

Whoopdido1980
01-29-2012, 02:31 PM
Most people tend to go right up to the line of what's allowed in real life so why not go right up to what's allowed in this game too? Everybody drives over the speed limit. People just go as fast as they can that won't earn them a ticket. Most people do everything they can (within the law) to pay as little taxes as possible. Or in the sports world, athletes will do something against the rules for as long as possible until they get caught. A pitcher will continue to throw just off the plate if the umpire is willing to call it a strike. An offensive lineman will hold all game if the ref doesn't see it or refuses to throw a flag. Same with pass interference. A defensive back will interfere with the receiver as much as he can right up to the point of the ref throwing a flag.

I don't think there's anything wrong with going right up to the line of what's allowed just as long as you don't cross the line.

doomnosee
01-29-2012, 02:47 PM
I think that comment about call to arms in the forum was aimed at me. ;-)

To be honest the game is about having fun. I probably get more satisfaction from emptying my stamina on a known spammer than I do from making a few hundred respect points from pvp.

It was really rather funny to find someone mentioned here in the rival list, emptying their hood and receiving a whole load of spam to erase my wall which she was never on in the first place lol.

If you believe the argument that its all about game mechanics then it is especially important to make the costs of spamming outweigh the benefits. I am merely offering to contribute to those costs and I bet there are others who would like to help out too :-)

Joeycool
01-29-2012, 02:56 PM
@ Whoopdido1980
I suppose you do yes... but these sports people are not generally respected by their piers. The sports people who are respected are the ones who play fair and with dignity.

doomnosee
01-29-2012, 03:01 PM
I guess you could argue its crime city. On the other hand there are certain codes of honour in the criminal fraternity, perhaps a spammer could be the equivalent of a snitch :D

Joeycool
01-29-2012, 03:08 PM
I guess you could argue its crime city. On the other hand there are certain codes of honour in the criminal fraternity, perhaps a spammer could be the equivalent of a snitch :D

I dont really think its that big an issue... I have only probably had my wall spammed a couple of times. It happened after people got mad because I robbed large amounts of money from their large payout buildings.

I just think its an underhand tactic and in my opinion underhand tactics are wrong and I dont like them. I prefer a bit of honour amongst thieves! ;)

Leetfeet
01-29-2012, 06:49 PM
So we got some samurais and some snitches :)

Labradorite
01-29-2012, 06:58 PM
I think they are manipulators try to abuse the system.

Totally agree with you, Joeycool.

J.J.
01-30-2012, 06:47 AM
How about a player that has spent $10,000 or more on gold, but cant even beat me every time bc they bought all the wrong sh1t lol

blondealex
01-30-2012, 08:29 AM
How about a player that has spent $10,000 or more on gold, but cant even beat me every time bc they bought all the wrong sh1t lol

Haha that is annoying, but funny at the same time. I'm having a little battle with someone like that, but they have no money buildings. The last few nights they have filled up my news with win/lose/win/lose to rob my crappy buildings netting about 10K. If it takes you 5 stamina hits to rob a level 3 sports bar it's time to move on. I don't mind losing the small amount of money, just annoys me that it fills up my news.

dudeman
01-30-2012, 08:41 AM
Haha that is annoying, but funny at the same time. I'm having a little battle with someone like that, but they have no money buildings. The last few nights they have filled up my news with win/lose/win/lose to rob my crappy buildings netting about 10K. If it takes you 5 stamina hits to rob a level 3 sports bar it's time to move on. I don't mind losing the small amount of money, just annoys me that it fills up my news.

I agree, something should be done about the way the news feed works. Having it auto-spam like that because someone is wasting stamina on you is not the ideal way for it to function. It's not the fault of the attacker when that happens most of the time, but it is annoying as hell when people realize that they are spamming your news feed by doing that intentionally.