Being Strong For Your Level/Mafia Size

[kinghansen]

Okay so I understand the concept of being strong for your mafia size. I recently dropped down to 100 mafia members and have been quite a bit more powerful than anyone on my rivals list and have very seldomly ever been attacked or robbed and lost. I'm level 52 and usually the rivals on my list have anywhere from 80 - 150 mafia members. I woke up this morning and opened up my rivals list to find that everyone on the list has 250+ mafia members. I can still find people to hit but it's very hard to stay competitive when everyone I can hit has more than double my mafia size. Does anyone know what's going on? As far as I have read and understand, this should not be happening. The people on my list should be a lot closer to my mafia size. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

[Babytway]

yah stopped being a scardy cat and up your mafia and contend with the bigboys and biggirls,

[kinghansen]

No I'm fine keeping my mafia size low. I would explain the strategy behind it but I'm sure you couldnt comprehend it anyways. Thus, I won't waste my time.

Does anyone have some actual insight on the issue or have experienced something similar?

[Max Power]

No I'm fine keeping my mafia size low. I would explain the strategy behind it but I'm sure you couldnt comprehend it anyways. Thus, I won't waste my time.

Does anyone have some actual insight on the issue or have experienced something similar?

Your strategy is not complex and has been well vetted here. Let's not get all huffy.

The rival lists occasionally go bonkers. Sometimes I can see people up to level 200, other times nothing above 105.

No rhyme or reason to it. See what it does in a few hours and I bet you will be fine.

It's not above Funzio to change game dynamics, but I doubt it would happen Christmas day.

[dudeman]

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[Max Power]

Well on Christmas day I can see rivals over level 100 for the first time ever. Higher level rivals with millions of cash on hand and lots of money buildings to loot.

Too bad most of them were too strong for me. My list seems normal again now, but that short 15 minutes of craziness was fun. I got $30k x 10 from one rival (although the bastard made me spend 15 stamina to get it!), and almost $50k from a couple churches and a level 10 pawn shop.

Way more fun to loot those guys than it has been the past little while robbing clothing stores for respect coins.



My mafia size did that too kinghansen. Before I knew better, I thought the bigger the mafia the better. I quickly discovered that to not be the case and downsized. Everything was going well for a while after that, until one day all my rivals had way more mafia.

You have no choice but to beef up now. It seems that you reach a certain point in the game where it forces you to increase your numbers. More mafia, better equipment, and everything else you need to do in order to make that happen. I think if you stay with the smaller mafia players too long, you eventually get strong enough that fights and robberies aren't profitable. The only thing to do about that is get stronger and pick on stronger rivals.

I dunno, when I do get the chance to see those higher levels, it seems there is nothing to rob unless the guy has insane defense stats. Most people at that level are pretty savvy about synching and collecting. Bad luck so far I guess.

[dudeman]

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[Max Power]

Could it have been an intentional Christmas gift for some lucky rival?

The guy I fought for $300k had ridiculous defense stats, but I had to try him anyways and in the results I found that his true defense was only about half of his profile defense. That worked out to be only a little stronger than my attack, so I kept going. I want to find him again but my list is back to normal. I'm sure I could repeat the $300k at least one more time if I could find him. He has mostly level 10 buildings, including upscale clubs and beachside inns and Internet companies... Basically all the buildings you want to have fully upgraded were fully upgraded.

He might be a cheater. Some of those buildings haven't been around long enough to get to level 10, much less in multiples.

Oh well, every time I throw a Hail Mary I lose the quest and $2000 worth of explosives too.

[kinghansen]

Your strategy is not complex and has been well vetted here. Let's not get all huffy.

The rival lists occasionally go bonkers. Sometimes I can see people up to level 200, other times nothing above 105.

No rhyme or reason to it. See what it does in a few hours and I bet you will be fine.

It's not above Funzio to change game dynamics, but I doubt it would happen Christmas day.

Sorry I just hate when people post useless comments completely astray from what I was asking. I'm sure lots of people use this stragety as well; I just didnt want to waste my time explaing to her why I do this and why it is useful.

Thanks for the input though. It's been nearly 12 hours and my rivals list hasnt gone back to normal. I'm assuming at this point my only choice may be to increase my mafia size again unfortunately. What do you think? Wait it out for a few days and see if it resets itself?

[kinghansen]

My mafia size did that too kinghansen. Before I knew better, I thought the bigger the mafia the better. I quickly discovered that to not be the case and downsized. Everything was going well for a while after that, until one day all my rivals had way more mafia.

You have no choice but to beef up now. It seems that you reach a certain point in the game where it forces you to increase your numbers. More mafia, better equipment, and everything else you need to do in order to make that happen. I think if you stay with the smaller mafia players too long, you eventually get strong enough that fights and robberies aren't profitable. The only thing to do about that is get stronger and pick on stronger rivals.

Ah I was afraid of that. Thank you for the input. At this point the only thing I can do is increase my mafia size back to the mafia size level cap. Because virtually everyone on my rivals list is at the cap for their level. And it sounds like my rivals list isnt going to be returning to normal. This sucks, this ruined my strategie. Damn it. Back to the drawing board.

[Ffej]

I also logged in to the game and had the same surprise. I am level 52, and have been sittng at 100 mafia members. I have around 3000 attack, and 4000 defense, so I am right at the 30-1 ratio I have seen other forum members recommend for mafia to attack.

All day today my rivals list has mostly had people with 200 - 260 mafia members. I too had figured it would reset back to normal, but no luck yet. I will give it a bit longer, and see what happens. The interesting thing is, even though I only have 100 mafia, I have similar attack and defense numbers than most that have 2.5x mafia than me.

[Max Power]

Sorry I just hate when people post useless comments completely astray from what I was asking. I'm sure lots of people use this stragety as well; I just didnt want to waste my time explaing to her why I do this and why it is useful.

Thanks for the input though. It's been nearly 12 hours and my rivals list hasnt gone back to normal. I'm assuming at this point my only choice may be to increase my mafia size again unfortunately. What do you think? Wait it out for a few days and see if it resets itself?

Meh, she was just having fun.

Anyway, the limited size mafia eventually doesn't work, but I never employed that strategy, so not sure what to tell you in terms of when the rivals lists change. I have always employed 5 per level I was on. I built up a decent defense early and never had a problem finding people I could beat, so personally I think that this whole engineering of your rival list is a bit over-rated, but many people will argue with me on that one.

I think if you are wed to the strategy I would wait another day or two before adding people.

[kinghansen]

I also logged in to the game and had the same surprise. I am level 52, and have been sittng at 100 mafia members. I have around 3000 attack, and 4000 defense, so I am right at the 30-1 ratio I have seen other forum members recommend for mafia to attack.

All day today my rivals list has mostly had people with 200 - 260 mafia members. I too had figured it would reset back to normal, but no luck yet. I will give it a bit longer, and see what happens. The interesting thing is, even though I only have 100 mafia, I have similar attack and defense numbers than most that have 2.5x mafia than me.


This is literally the exact situation I am in. I am also sitting at level 52 with 100 mafia members and have similar stats as you, just slightly higher defense. I guess the best thing we can do is wait it out and hope it goes back to normal. Let me know if anythign changes for you.

[Nudie]

Look at it this way. As you gain in levels you will eventually end up with 500 effective mafia members. So plan on outfitting this number effectively. It will take awhile and your mob will be weak for a period of time. I would advise not to go for the "best" equipment for every mob member as the cost on $$$ and respect would be enormous. Also, don't just opt for just equipping every member with broken bottles and junkers. Set out to have 20% of your guys equipped with the best stuff you can afford, (maybe sawn off shotguns) the next 20% with Tommy guns etc... Then you will at least have a fairly decent mob to win fights and fend off most attacks/robberies. Upgrade as you get stronger.
Most importantly, do not neglect your economy. Have building upgrades and new constructions nonstop or you will be weak in the longer term. Just some of the things I learnt reading these forums and playing the game, FYI Babytway is a veteran player who is highly experienced and is what I would consider an "Offense" stylist.

[Joe Brown1]

I am lvl 63 with 5600A/7250D (146 mafia) and found the same situation on my rivals list. Fortunately between PVP and farming I have been at a 39:1 attack ratio despite adding mafia members rapidly over the last two weeks ( added over 60) so all this did was make it harder to fight PVP. I too am curious to see if this temporary or I need to increase my mafia even faster. However, I did find some great robbing opportunities! A very fun change in many ways.

[kinghansen]

It sounds like perhaps funzio changed the game dynamics. Since so many players are having the same issue.

[BigCheese]

anyone know why some player lvl150-200 keep their mafia at 300 only? i seen quite a number and most of them have high mission completed but very little pvp.

[KoolB]

I think its a deliberate change of strategy by Funzio... I am consistently seeing 90% players with 300+ mafia... and worse the remaining 10% who are close to my level are about as strong in terms of mafia attack/defense per person... no more easy pickings...
And worse I am being attacked by rivals with 300+ mafia members... I am reasonably strong for my mafia level... but with 110 guys in my mob... the average 300+ guy can still cause considerable damage :( ...

Well eventually the aim was anyways to build up to a full mafia level...
Now this change by Funzio just makes camping / being patient so much more important... do not level up unless you are fully equipped... earlier you could offset the disadvantage of facing higher level opponents by having a high mafia attack/defense per person... now in one stroke Funzio seems to have taken that out of the equation...

[aaa13]

Yes, it looks like they changed rules of building rival list. For me it was OK having 85 mafia with 4k att and 4.5k def. But now all rival list is full with 300+ guys with 6k+ def. I plan to wait until new Year, building my economy, and if funzio will not fix it, i will try to get 300+ mafia and cash equipment for it.

[dudeman]

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[Leetfeet]

Always entertaining to read posts around sale times. People still not seeing a pattern in sale periods vs funky changes. Just accept it :) Sales = they 'encourage' people to spend.

[Max Power]

My rival list is a bit different this last 2 days as well. I can see random people up to level 200, but more importantly, instead of the same 20 people that I have been seeing over and over and over again for the last three levels, I am seeing a whole bunch of new names that are at my level with similar amounts of mob.

It's like it was stuck in a rut before and now it is working as it should.

[Ffej]

Well, it looks like my rival list just returned to normal. Looks like it was just a temporary issue, and all is well.

Time to start working on my win streak again....

[aaa13]

It is over! We`ve survived! Just waiting, what funzio got for us next time...

[rlox]

I had exactly the opposite experience the last two days. I am a level 24 with about 100 mafia. I only saw same leveld rivals with about 20 mafia. Easy pickings !

[Max Power]

Yup. I am back to the same 20 guys on my list that I have had for the last 4 levels.

[Royal Flush]

Always entertaining to read posts around sale times. People still not seeing a pattern in sale periods vs funky changes. Just accept it :) Sales = they 'encourage' people to spend.

Wow the rivals list has miraculously "fixed" itself. Now I've spent all my gold so I wouldn't get my arse handed to me! Oh well, I'll have to buy more gold to get that gold building now *in a sarcastic tone*

[stixx]

Im at 65 members for a few weeks now (lvl 105) ive noticed that i dont see ppl on my list with less mobs, but i do see ppl with more mobs. Obviously most of those higher mob players are untouchable by me. But ive also seen lvl 200 players with lvl 4 casinos @ 70 mobs with only 4k defense. Most players think its good having 500-1k mobs, i disagree on that, the only thing i liked was that car you got. But this also means that when you have so many mobs your rivallist is filled with a lot of different players, but mines not. There are only about 20different ppl i can steal from ( sorry for that guys if you read this.,)

[whocareswhatmynameis]

Im at 65 members for a few weeks now (lvl 105) ive noticed that i dont see ppl on my list with less mobs, but i do see ppl with more mobs. Obviously most of those higher mob players are untouchable by me. But ive also seen lvl 200 players with lvl 4 casinos @ 70 mobs with only 4k defense. Most players think its good having 500-1k mobs, i disagree on that, the only thing i liked was that car you got. But this also means that when you have so many mobs your rivallist is filled with a lot of different players, but mines not. There are only about 20different ppl i can steal from ( sorry for that guys if you read this.,)

what is the range of mafia size in your rival list? you mentioned that there are some players with size 70. is that typical? or are most close to 500?

[Nudie]

I tried to keep my mafia size small and well equipped. Was able to do so up to about level 70. Then noticed that most of my rival list had over 300 members compared to my 100. Went on a massive recruitment drive which drove down my attack/defense ratio from 35 to below 20.
Now I have the numbers but not the equipment. Slowly crawling back
I would assume that most players will have at least 500 in their mob when they are over level 100. I may be mistaken in this though. Can we hear from players over level 100 with small mobs and what kind of rival mob sizes do they see?

[stixx]

what is the range of mafia size in your rival list? you mentioned that there are some players with size 70. is that typical? or are most close to 500? my list is filled with ppl in all ranges, most of them are somewhere between 65 and 150, then theres a club between 150 and 300 and some are 500 but those are rare on my list

[Certes]

my list is filled with ppl in all ranges, most of them are somewhere between 65 and 150, then theres a club between 150 and 300 and some are 500 but those are rare on my list

This doesn't help unless we know your level and mafia size. Where are you at?

[whocareswhatmynameis]

@Certes:

a few lines up in this thread...


Im at 65 members for a few weeks now (lvl 105) ive noticed that i dont see ppl on my list with less mobs, but i do see ppl with more mobs. Obviously most of those higher mob players are untouchable by me. But ive also seen lvl 200 players with lvl 4 casinos @ 70 mobs with only 4k defense. Most players think its good having 500-1k mobs, i disagree on that, the only thing i liked was that car you got. But this also means that when you have so many mobs your rivallist is filled with a lot of different players, but mines not. There are only about 20different ppl i can steal from ( sorry for that guys if you read this.,)

[Certes]

I apologize, I missed that. Thanks!