HL players Robbing the sh*t out of you

[Anubis]

I can confirm that currently once you hit lvl91 the HL players see you. From what I understand the level used to be lower, which potentially indicates as the game fills up this level might rise.

This is another reason to really slow down on your leveling. If you focused on building hood defence it all becomes worthless when the HL's see you unless you can buff it up to at least 15-20k building defence. The other problem is robberies have suddenly dried up as your now fighting for respect with masses of other ppl. This is obviously a problem as you don't want to be going from hood to hood just to find level8-10 LM's to get respect from. It will make the game very dry for you very quickly.

With Tramp Stamps discovery regarding payouts and the ability to plan an income based on ROI it greatly puts the emphasis on making the perfect high income to taylor your needs (means you have more $$$ for more upgrades/buildings/expansions/ and usable $$$ weapom/armors). So if your approaching level 91 I advise to seriously think about your hood and mafa goals because defending against robberies isn't going to happen and farming respect becomes even tougher.

[skunk]

I'm a weak level 95 with only 11500 attack and 12000 defense and I'm having no issues finding targets.
Only issues I'm having now is losing explosives.
I lost $10,000 worth attacking someone with a defense of 7000 earlier ????
I think above level 90 the 20% rule does not apply fights are pure random.
I can beat people with def of 15,000 and get beaten by people <9000 def.

WTF?

[Anubis]

You can always find ppl to fight, but robbing respect limits you to buildings that either pay out high respect, or give a more or less equal amount of respect to exp and theres no point robbing buildings with just a 1 or 2 respect return.

[Peacock]

Ouch.. U hit the nail, Anubis!
I'm lv 120+ and the lowest lv I can c on my list is 91. I usually hit ppl who has 16k def or below. To be frank, I always refresh my list to look for the 90s. I dun usually hit ppl above lv100s cuz I have an advantage on the no. of mafias over the 90s. U have to push urself up quick to get out of our radar. I don't even bother to look at rivals above lv110 cuz there is an ample supply of 90s. Pls dun call me a chicken cuz there are many chickens out there..lol

One more thing I sold away my LM long ago cuz it has become a nuisance to me.

[Anubis]

You can't really call someone a chicken, just obvious tactics. I will look out for you in my news buliten lol. The idea of rushing up 20 levels isn't very appealing.

[Kirbnite]

I am level 121 and attack in a very similar manner. Usually don't attack higher levers and attack all the 90's-100 and if I must (not sure I ever had to) then I would go low 100's

[Peacock]

Anubis
If u r lv 91 and u happen to appear on my list, I will jus whack u without even looking at ur name. U probably will b the hottest favourite among the HLs. I'm sorry but it's just too delicious to let it go. The usual outcome is a 10 wins straight for us and the respect gain is similar if i hit someone at lv100 above. U have to get urself out of the frying pan asap.

[Anubis]

Im not bothered about being whacked, just not so fond of losing my income. I think i'll prob change from robbing to attacking to raise 10 levels to get out of there lol.

[whocareswhatmynameis]

@anubis:

what's your mafia size and that of your rivals?

[Mb Tnk]

Everyone is boosting their mafia like crazy in the 90's (I've been with this group of players since the low 80's) and so did I, it was very painfull to do so since I tried to make certain each new member was covered with something better than a broken bottle or bat.... wiped out all my savings ;). Still have a ways to go before 500, but I'm in a comfort zone now (actually scaled back 10 mafia this morning). Yep, I seem to be blindly getting attacked by heavies, half win, half loose. So be it... I guess I deserve the pay back, since I have given lots of pain to others :cool:. I will not rush to the top of this, I will take it slow and get as much respect as possible. Hard to do these days, cause everyone is getting there hoods wiped out.


Anubis and skunk, hang in there, don`t buy any def explosives and make sure to cherry pick your targets before attacking, also bank like crazy. This period won`t last forever... think of it as boot camp, part 2.:o

[whocareswhatmynameis]

it seem to me that leveling up slowly is the remedy to the problem of getting attacked by the "big boys". a couple of weeks back, i remember the widely held consensus for this threshold was lvl 70s. now it is 90s. it appears that, someone else mentioned this on another thread, as more and more players get promoted to higher levels, there is enough rival pool for PvP without the need to include lower level players. sadly, i'm not following my own advice (leveling up like crazy farming M4A1s and completing quests :eek:).

[Mb Tnk]

Your econ and stats are good, keep on farming, and the upper threshold is a moving target, you might not ever hit it.

[Peacock]

Mayb I can chip in my 2 cents.
If im outside, Normally I wouldn't b bothered to go into my rival's hood to look at their stats if they are 90s. With the new fight screen, I will give a hit to look at their stats, if they are yummy, I will say hello 9 more times. if their def is gd then I will move on. But if they hav cash on hand, I will still try to say hello. So if u r gonna stay in the 90s, u tend to get a lot of trial and error hits from the HLs.
If i have the time to go into their hoods, I will not only rob but also att if possible. I will always rob the 90s first cuz there is a tendency it's harder for them to take revenge on me. Eventually u will loss income on both hands

[Anubis]

If i have the time to go into their hoods, I will not only rob but also att if possible. I will always rob the 90s first cuz there is a tendency it's harder for them to take revenge on me. Eventually u will loss income on both hands

I don't get a chance to make proper rivals as when players rob me my news gets taken up full of red/green msg's spamming the occasional HL who succeed 100% of robs off the list. Just out of curiositywhat is your level, att, and stamina peacock?

[Anubis]

If just been trying out your style of play too peacock, and its a lot less arduous then purely robbing for maximum respect. I think ill start playing your way other than USA night time when hoods are ripe forthe pickings.

[Leetfeet]

The Funzio Rollercoaster. From a semi addict's point of view.

1. Been playing the game a lot. Love it. Want to give something back to the creators and buy gold. Even though I wanna be pro and not buy gold items.

2. Wait for next gold discount. Aiming to buy 110 gold to spend on some buildings.

3. Discount happens. Funzio changes the mechanics so all players will lose more fights. Funzio is trying to fool the average player into "gold submission".

4. Realize this is not the first time Funzio does this. Anger ensumes. Wannabe pro gamer feels like buying gold is the same as being "played" by cheap tactics. Doesn't want to promote similar tactics in the future. Doesn't spend gold during discount.

5. Wait for discount to end. Buys gold. Funzio gets 20% more money from an average player.

6. Funzio still tricked lots of people to buy gold. Company advances on the top grossing app list. Funzio wins regardless.

Get off ride. Bumhole feels like it's been through U.S airport security. Looks back and at the Funzio team cheering and toasting with their new former EA executive employee..

Would have given you money regardless..

Disappointed.

[rustbinlid]

I can confirm that currently once you hit lvl91 the HL players see you. From what I understand the level used to be lower, which potentially indicates as the game fills up this level might rise.

This is another reason to really slow down on your leveling. If you focused on building hood defence it all becomes worthless when the HL's see you unless you can buff it up to at least 15-20k building defence. The other problem is robberies have suddenly dried up as your now fighting for respect with masses of other ppl. This is obviously a problem as you don't want to be going from hood to hood just to find level8-10 LM's to get respect from. It will make the game very dry for you very quickly.

With Tramp Stamps discovery regarding payouts and the ability to plan an income based on ROI it greatly puts the emphasis on making the perfect high income to taylor your needs (means you have more $$$ for more upgrades/buildings/expansions/ and usable $$$ weapom/armors). So if your approaching level 91 I advise to seriously think about your hood and mafa goals because defending against robberies isn't going to happen and farming respect becomes even tougher.
Having been there and come out the other side, I will say this is good advice. It also means those players farming for certain weapons might want to take a little step back. I had good 20 levels of panic 70-90, until I started exceeding the stats of those people picking on me. You will find once you get on the other side they suddenly want you to join their mafia, strange that.

[procsyzarc]

Is it still done by mafia size at high levels or is it just free for all? For example my mafia is 200 will i see HL's with 500 mafia or will it still only be up to 270 or so

[Royal Flush]

Well I'm level 47 and was attacked by a guy (also 47) with 248 mafia, when I only have 97 .... the max mafia used for my level being 235, so I would think if it applies for my level it applies to the higher levels .... Probably be a free for all!

[whocareswhatmynameis]

Is it still done by mafia size at high levels or is it just free for all? For example my mafia is 200 will i see HL's with 500 mafia or will it still only be up to 270 or so

that was why i asked @anubis what his mafia size was and that of his rivals. looking through recent posts, i found that he has 500 members (i don't know if that has changed). @anubis: are you being attacked by players with similar sized mafia?

[Anubis]

that was why i asked @anubis what his mafia size was and that of his rivals. looking through recent posts, i found that he has 500 members (i don't know if that has changed). @anubis: are you being attacked by players with similar sized mafia?

The level 135 had just over 300 mafia with att around 21K and def around 24K. The rest all above the 500 cap.

[Max Power]

I am at level 87 and got tagged last night by someone at level 97. I have 500 mafia, he had 900 or so.

That's fine I guess, the big shooters will be coming along soon at this level, but one thing kind of annoys me. How come I never see anyone over level 88 on MY rival list yet I am showing up on other peoples lists ten levels above me?

[K@le]

i am lvl 90 and got ****d yesterday by 1 lvl 148 and 1 lvl 125 and 1 lvl 102 never happend before and i am on 399 maffia in level 90.
1 thing made me happy, the girl from lvl 125 had same stats like me and i won half of the attacks and i am 35 lvls lower haha

[Mb Tnk]

i am lvl 90 and got ****d yesterday by 1 lvl 148 and 1 lvl 125 and 1 lvl 102 never happend before and i am on 399 maffia in level 90.
1 thing made me happy, the girl from lvl 125 had same stats like me and i won half of the attacks and i am 35 lvls lower haha

Being ****d by a girl is a good thing :).

The reason we do not see above a certain level is becuase of how many players there are in our current level. The HL players do not have many in number therefore they get to see a lot more. I know, not fair, but you will eventually be the ones looking all the way down and up.

[Vito]

I hit level 95, and I'm suddenly getting hit by all these high levels. It really does chafe your butt. The only good thing about it is that if your lucky, the other player has some good buildings to loot, and they stay on your news list long enough to hit em. It's great hitting their pirate taverns. :D

[Anubis]

I think this shows that the level HL's can see is contantly varying.

When I first hit 92 I could see levels 92-94 equally spread, now I can only see 92-93.

[badd]

I no longer have this problem. In fact I don't even get attacked/robbed anymore. I just hit level 80 and have 400 mafia which is the correct ratio for my level now I believe. (considering I have enough to equip all of my mob) (please correct me if I'm wrong) Now my rivals list consist of only level 80 with 400 mafia. (YES all of them!) I did have 401 but when I went for a test attack and rob, I only used 400. When going into my rivals profile, I can clearly see some of them having more than 400 mob but when I attack them they only use 400 as well. Seems like all of youz are having the same problem I had bout 5 levels ago but is anyone experiencing what's happening to me? (another thing, last night this game was horribly laggy and slow. My timers would only count when I was in my hood. everything was just SLOW. (could've been another update?) everything seems alright now for me.

[Max Power]

I no longer have this problem. In fact I don't even get attacked/robbed anymore. I just hit level 80 and have 400 mafia which is the correct ratio for my level now I believe. (considering I have enough to equip all of my mob) (please correct me if I'm wrong) Now my rivals list consist of only level 80 with 400 mafia. (YES all of them!) I did have 401 but when I went for a test attack and rob, I only used 400. When going into my rivals profile, I can clearly see some of them having more than 400 mob but when I attack them they only use 400 as well. Seems like all of youz are having the same problem I had bout 5 levels ago but is anyone experiencing what's happening to me? (another thing, last night this game was horribly laggy and slow. My timers would only count when I was in my hood. everything was just SLOW. (could've been another update?) everything seems alright now for me.

The issue isn't how many mafia are used per level. That's a fixed rate at 5 per up until level 100 and then it caps. The issue is people many levels above you seeing you on their attack lists.

I am at level 88 and I just got tagged by someone 40 levels above me. 3rd time in 3 days. The issue I have is that I cant see them on my rivals list but they can see me. I want to rob their high level buildings. Doesn't seem fair that they can see me but I cant see them.

[Certes]

You'll get to see them soon enough. I'm level 104 right now, but when I was at level 98 I could see down into the low 90s and up into about 145-150. I can now see certain players at the 200 level.

And I can rob them. ;)

[Mb Tnk]

You'll get to see them soon enough. I'm level 104 right now, but when I was at level 98 I could see down into the low 90s and up into about 145-150. I can now see certain players at the 200 level.

And I can rob them. ;)

Does anyone from the high 80's show up on your rivals list?

[Ram]

I'm level 125 and I don't see players from the level 80's anymore. When I was Level 110-120 I used to always see them.

[Certes]

Does anyone from the high 80's show up on your rivals list?

Nope. 92 is still as low as I go. The majority of my list is between 95 and 107.

I'm running about 360 mafia at the moment, if that helps.

[badd]

I just think its weird that all of yous are having the same problem I had all last week. Why I no longer have this problem beats the hell out of me but I'm glad they fixed my problem up. The only people that attack me now are in the same level and even though they have 500+ mafia they can only attack with 400.

[Max Power]

they can only attack with 400.

Again, that's not the issue here.

[badd]

Again, that's not the issue here.

lol just realized... my bad, I think too much when I'm high.

So what should one do in this situation? Level up faster/slower? Drop/add more mafia?

[Anubis]

Either you keep good tabs on your buildings, not care about the lossess you going to rack up in your stats and continue to take the 90's slow,

OR, Fast track the 90's with fighting and energy drains, putting less focus on robbing low/exp buildings for their respect.

[Max Power]

At this point I think I will just level up faster so I can get my hands on some real money buildings.

Got drilled by 2 people 50 levels higher than me last night and I was at level 88.

[fatacad]

Alright.. I'm halfway thru lvl 91 and have never been attacked by a higher level. Should i camp and focus on leveling my buildings so more people can even out the fight list or should i level up as fast as possible?

[Syn]

Alright.. I'm halfway thru lvl 91 and have never been attacked by a higher level. Should i camp and focus on leveling my buildings so more people can even out the fight list or should i level up as fast as possible?

Even though I am still unsure what I am going to do, I would recommend camping. It really depends on your stats. But I know, because of what Anubis said, I won't be going into the 90's without 10-15k defense.

[fatacad]

Yeah i think i'll camp for a week and just level up money and defense buildings. i'm 13600 defense right now, not bad but not good if higher levels can see me. It seems the amount of people reaching these levels is growing, so hopefully in a week the gap will be smaller. Its just gonna be boring...

[Anubis]

I went into the 91 with 17-18K total defence at the time, it made no difference when even the weak HL's have at least 20K of each att and def. I've not successfully defended an atack or rob from anyone over 125. I've just rushed upto 94.5, I figured 10 levels isn't going to make or break me. Im just fighting more insted of robbing whilst keeping tabs on my energy. I used to spend it twice a r/l day at times I feel are best for lootiong. Now im using it ex/day un til I ding 100. I've got some annoying ppl camping my hood tho, if my buildings are left more than 5-10mins w/o collection one of 4 ppl will take them.

[fatacad]

I went into the 91 with 17-18K total defence at the time, it made no difference when even the weak HL's have at least 20K of each att and def. I've not successfully defended an atack or rob from anyone over 125. I've just rushed upto 94.5, I figured 10 levels isn't going to make or break me. Im just fighting more insted of robbing whilst keeping tabs on my energy. I used to spend it twice a r/l day at times I feel are best for lootiong. Now im using it ex/day un til I ding 100. I've got some annoying ppl camping my hood tho, if my buildings are left more than 5-10mins w/o collection one of 4 ppl will take them.

So wut level are you now? 94? i've been hearing everyone say that you start getting a beating from HL anywhere from 85-91 but I haven't had one high level attack or rob me yet. Maybe more players are catching up. What time of day are you looting? boardwalk right? i never really thought the time made a difference.. thought it was just the law of probability but maybe it does

[K@le]

just camp out save as much money and make defense defense defense i just bought 10 Bodyguard Agency's and leveled them up to lvl 7 each already haha i just got 3k def extra, then i upgraded to goodfella and got almost 500 def extra i have hourly income of $42703 and i put everything into defense right now lol
I am now lvl 91 and got almot 17k defend i got attacked this morning by a level 124 and he could get half my money the rest he lost and today i will push my defend to 18k !

If you get as wooped so what it is not real let them do it in 1 month we do it too !!and believe me i will do it hehe

[fatacad]

lol i understand but its a principle that i will not spend money on the game. I guess i'll have to build up my defense the long way.. but im still wondering why im not getting my ass kicked by higher levels. Why am i missing out on this awesome aspect of the game???

[Anubis]

It started for me at 91. Im 94 now with 20K defence but havn't seen a HL for a couple of levels now. I've given up on defence for now because you need masses and masses to properly fend off robbers

I had a guy spend 30mins in my hood (from my news bulletin) a couple of days back with just 9.5K att just to get everything he could. The list went Red>1win>Red>1win>Red>1win>Red and so on. I politely asked him out of curiosity how much stamina he spent in my hood so I could gauge how effective my defence was but he didn't message back.

[khung003]

lol, it's funny, many people visit my hood to leave same messages, red - green - red - green - red - green .... , I don't know what's wrong with those peple, waste too many stamina for what ? money ? respect points ? or just make me notice they exist ? don't know

I only rob when make sure it will happen successfully, 1 or 2 surprises (victim is weaker but can't rob), I leave.

[Anubis]

Some people are just desperate for any cash they can get their hands on. I guess they think robbing a chappel for less than 2K a pop is worth burning their stamina on.

[Max Power]

Honestly, I am at level 90, my defense is at 22.5k, and I still get tagged easily. I don't think it is really possible to get enough defense at level 90 to prevent people 50 levels above you from robbing you. I win occasional fights, but robberies? No way.

I am beginning to think that once you hit the level where people 50 levels above you can rob you, you might as well sprint to the big money buildings.

[Anubis]

You know what, thats exactly the opinion I have now.

The whole point of leveling slowly was to be able to stay ahead of the rest of the pack to compete very well.

Its known from others in this thread that HL's obviously target the weakest, being level ~90 ppl.

Considering this game is most likely not going to drastically increase in population, theres no reason to think things will change anytime soon

As the game level 100+ seems to be around fighting level 90's (and you can not use more than 500mafia) the aim should be hitting around 15-16k att by 100 then getting all your wins for fights and robberies from the weaker prey. Theres no real reason to slow down after 90 when potentially you have finte time to equip your mafia and then some. (Edit: Not to mention the drastically increased income for buying expensive weapons you get in the higher levels).

Buffing building defence to fend of robbers will happen over time, but your not going to go into the 90's with 20K building defence considering around 100Def from buildings takes around 1 r/l day.

[fatacad]

Considering this game is most likely not going to drastically increase in population, theres no reason to think things will change anytime soon

Yeah but as more people level up to the 90's, and since higher levels take longer to level up, the gap should eventually close and even out. Not sure how long that will take though. I was robbed once last night by a level 100 at 91, so I think I'm just gonna play normally and level up instead of camping

[Anubis]

But you would expect this kind of thing aroundlevel 150+. If its affecting the late 80's/ early 90's, and has been for a long time, nothing drastic is going to change anytime soon.

[Max Power]

Yeah but as more people level up to the 90's, and since higher levels take longer to level up, the gap should eventually close and even out. Not sure how long that will take though. I was robbed once last night by a level 100 at 91, so I think I'm just gonna play normally and level up instead of camping

I'm a level 90 and I beat a guy at level 142 in a fight yesterday....LOL! I normally don't smack talk, but I posted a note on his wall that he must be embarrassed losing to someone 52 levels below him.

[Amor]

I do not understand this 'fight only lower level players' tactic. I am level 88, soon to be up againt you hgh levels, sound slike. I am not scared at all to be frank. I have 110 mafia, and I have already ben attacked by players 91+ with 500-900 mafia...bull**** if you ask me, but that is the only way anyone has hope of defeating me. With my 110 mafia I can defeat players with 300 mafia without blinking, and have defeated mobs of over 400, with the achievments/items to prove it.

The point being, why the hell prey on the weak, when you should be able to take your pick from everyone and anyone, given that you built your account correctly.

[Anubis]

Its not about being affraid. Its obvious tactics. A level 150 with 60? Stamina will just want to burn it without checking out hoods all the time. The obvious way to do that is fight the weakest people in your list as theres no exp penalty. Robbing might be different, but you don't need much attack to be succesful in just about every rob you do.

Theres also less chance at making annoying rivals.

If anyones tried Modern warfare, I reackon the fast exp-ing is to make sure theres no road-block and hopefully levels will be spread out more evenly at the top end.

Quick question - why do you want to keep your mafia so small? I'm aware of the benefits a smaller mafia can have, but not a tiny one at that level.

[Certes]

Just FYI-

I'm level 106, about to level up. Easily 90% of my rivals list consists of 90s-level players. The rest is split between 100s-level players, and players higher than me. The 100s-level players are the same 10-15 players, every time. If I were to NOT attack 90s-level players, I would constantly be refreshing my list and still finding no one to attack.

I have 375 mafia, so perhaps that is a side-effect of running the small mafia game plan. Some players might be attacking you solely because you are all that's in their rivals list.

[MadHatter]

No one robs me pm me for uber tips

[Anubis]

For anyone interested: I just dinged lvl96, and now I can see everyone from lvl 90 up to lvl200.

It seems theres just around 10levels where they can see you but you can't see them. Its actually just made the game a lot more interesting for me. I wasted all my stamina trying to rob a lvl200's level 4 Night club. My 15K Att could not even dent his 35K Def.

My advice is once they start seeing you thats your que to level up a few levels asap.

[Mb Tnk]

This morning/today, seems to be special, have been on lvl 99 for the past 30hrs, and only now am I able to see from levels 76 all the way up to 200, I'm guessing this is all due to the number of active players at any 1 given point in time... so I'm sure I will not see the same rivals in a couple of hours...

[Amor]

Just FYI-

I'm level 106, about to level up. Easily 90% of my rivals list consists of 90s-level players. The rest is split between 100s-level players, and players higher than me. The 100s-level players are the same 10-15 players, every time. If I were to NOT attack 90s-level players, I would constantly be refreshing my list and still finding no one to attack.

I have 375 mafia, so perhaps that is a side-effect of running the small mafia game plan. Some players might be attacking you solely because you are all that's in their rivals list.
Good point, new perspective.

[procsyzarc]

Trying to get to the point so I can rob high levels currently L91 and going up about 2 levels a day but am yet to see anyone higher than L93, there was one L150 last week when i was L85 who robbed and failed (unfortunitly he had **** all to rob) so I must have showed in HL list for a bit but other than that no one above 100 has attacked.