New WD algorithm (high level)

[HellRaizer]

Passing this info to folks in here..

This was passed to us by some of the player reps

I assume it ties in with this announcement http://forums.gree.net/showthread.php?122605-General-Status-Update

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I'm still trying to figure it out myself... as are most of the people in the groupme rooms

[c0t0d0s0]

Sounds like Gree just removed the fun factor from WD.

[HellRaizer]

It appears to be completely messed up

LLP PAs LLP 800 WDp
LLP single hit LLP 250wdp (therefore more point than PA)

HLP PAs LLP 900wdp
HLP single hit LLP 300 (again.. more from single attack)

LLP Derp stronger LLP 350wdp
HLP Derp stronger HLP 350wdp

So Derp appears to be best

PA seems to be worst which goes against the "overwhelm" your enemy advice.

[Arnaud]

That change has just killed my fun.

Now a LV350 who has bad stats can just hit a LV50 and get same points.

How is a low lv player expected to defend himself when he cannot even bring 2k units to battle?

This is not how this game will attract fresh blood. We need new players to compensate the ones who retire.

And how about all the players who play smart and use gold to build stats without leveling too fast? All the years of investment just went to waste.

Only players who have a good ratio stat/level should be rewarded: It is easy to increase both but not easy to increase the first one without the second. This is a basic principle applied in all similar games.

[Bndawgs]

It doesn't look like any of the wde point bonus % is working either.

[crazeejay]

LOL glad I retired earlier this week

[nocebl]

this is total BS. Players with some brains between their ears that have used strategy instead their valet got screwed by Gree. But hey Gree needs to satisfy the whales

[Jg48]

Boy o boy gree f the dog on this WD. They had better get a fix ASAP or the the game will be in the toilet. All I can say they're are a bunch of big spenders pissed right now and ready to pull the plug on the game.

[Stubby1113]

Level has no effect now. My level 251 account is just pounding minis because I get the same points as if I was hitting a level 350.

[DEWIN NUTTIN]

Threats are meaningless. You do, or you don't. Threats without action only award you with more inaction. DEW enjoy, and please remember, the spending lamp is always lit. LOL

[Shred]

So are all you guys saying that stats are even more meaningless than before? All those boost building are useless cause I can get the same points attacking a lev10 player as a lev350 even WITHOUT me owning the buildings?

[DEWIN NUTTIN]

So are all you guys saying that stats are even more meaningless than before? All those boost building are useless cause I can get the same points attacking a lev10 player as a lev350 even WITHOUT me owning the buildings?I agree with your assertion, mate. Many other meaningless things, too, unless you're the entity selling this stuff.

[WBS]

It was nice attacking a level 55 player and still getting 380 points on a normal hit and a normal war. Add on the DS or TS, and you never have to worry about losing.

[c0t0d0s0]

Yep it's like the special Olympics now, everyone gets a trophy.

Any sort competitiveness is now gone from the game. Just keep tapping.

I can't believe they've messed with the core idea that kept MW tickin' all these years. This might make Gree some money in the short term, but it will really hurt the game in the longer perspective, as there is no longer any motivation for players to grow stats in a meaningful way and spend money outside of WD.

I guess this is the final cash grab before the game is canned.

[WBS]

It sure seems like it. Gree has absolutely trashed their game now. Back in the day you wanted to grow stats and keep level low. It meant something in the game, the past year and a half has gotten to be more of a joke every step of the way.

[magic267]

Is this just in point calculation or is it with fight outcome also? I was 600T above an opponent and lost 1 out of 6 times. (I also had him by equip, etc as I know him outside of WD event)

I'd like to know how the math/algorithm works for both points and fight outcome.

[DEWIN NUTTIN]

It was nice attacking a level 55 player and still getting 380 points on a normal hit and a normal war. Add on the DS or TS, and you never have to worry about losing.


You make a great point, mate.
But, you always make great points.
Funny, your point about points is spot on.

[Greeny1]

Is this just in point calculation or is it with fight outcome also? I was 600T above an opponent and lost 1 out of 6 times. (I also had him by equip, etc as I know him outside of WD event)

I'd like to know how the math/algorithm works for both points and fight outcome.

It's called Gree Magic.....game is fubar. Suggest you speak to Apple/Google and go find another game

[WBS]

You make a great point, mate.
But, you always make great points.
Funny, your point about points is spot on.

I figure if I'm going to Dew something I might as well Dew it with Great points.

[Rolinz]

It is all about how fast and how often you can attack using gold to buy health packs.

Basically, who wants to spend more for GREEdy's bottom line?

[magic267]

It's called Gree Magic.....game is fubar. Suggest you speak to Apple/Google and go find another game

Greeny1 - I wish I could use that kind of magic math on my checkbook!!

[Annihilator2]

I paid attention in this WD to my points and can say that stats have impact in amount of points.
For example:
My attack is 100m and my level is 200.
I attack player with 350 level and 50m defense and get 200 WD points.
I attack player with 20 level and 99m defense and get 398 WD points.

Conclusion: there is no need in passing events with attack boosts, in boost buildings, etc.; you don't need to worry about level up.
So you can simply tap what you want and when you want. There is no need in gold at all. Play for fun only!

[WBS]

I paid attention in this WD to my points and can say that stats have impact in amount of points.
For example:
My attack is 100m and my level is 200.
I attack player with 350 level and 50m defense and get 200 WD points.
I attack player with 20 level and 99m defense and get 398 WD points.

Conclusion: there is no need in passing events with attack boosts, in boost buildings, etc.; you don't need to worry about level up.
So you can simply tap what you want and when you want. There is no need in gold at all. Play for fun only!

I found that if I attacked players close to my level(280) I averaged around 380

If I attacked ayers with level around 55 I averaged 380.

There is no need to scout, and no need to build stats or level up. We don't have to worry about taking a loss anymore as I'll just hit low level players.

[Annihilator2]

I found that if I attacked players close to my level(280) I averaged around 380

If I attacked ayers with level around 55 I averaged 380.

There is no need to scout, and no need to build stats or level up. We don't have to worry about taking a loss anymore as I'll just hit low level players.

As I said, no need in anything. We built strategy how to get stats without leveling up in time of Funzio. We worried to miss or to fail to finish each event. And we don't need anything now. It is revolution: we can play for fun without pressure and gold! Fantastic change!

THANK YOU, GREE!!!

[WBS]

As I said, no need in anything. We built strategy how to get stats without leveling up in time of Funzio. We worried to miss or to fail to finish each event. And we don't need anything now. It is revolution: we can play for fun without pressure and gold! Fantastic change!

THANK YOU, GREE!!!


The first gaming company in history that encouraged it's players to play gold free and not be competitive !! THaNk YOU GREE!!!

[DIABLOPEZ]

Leaving player Level Factor..

WD should be in tiers of 50 levels for example

If level 350 hits level 301 would get same points as if level 300 hits 251,

Hitting tier higher or lower the points would be +5% or -5% per tier

A level 339 hitting a level 5 and getting great points is FUBAR

Implementing this will result in this..
Level 339 hits level 5 will get -30% wdp

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Taking away the level factor...

WDP calculations made by:
--->��Stats difference��
The closer stats the bigger points, attack vs defence.
Example: 4.100aa VS 4.100aa
Example: 4.100aa PA VS 5.500aa would be bigger aswell (not 21k ��)

The bigger the stats difference the lower the points....

--->��Player Rank��
Example: Death ops VS Chimera ops, should give higher points then if it would be other way around.

��Combination of both ����
In case stats are close, and attacker has lower rank as the defender, should get highest range of points.

Prime General VS Prime General would count same as low VS High rank so that level 350 also can get same range of points as a level 150.

I.M.O this should keep the level 350 capable of scoring just as high as any other, while players with low level that have avoided XP ,and spending gold for stats still have benefit when hitting high stats/high rank..

[Annihilator2]

Leaving player Level Factor..
WD should be in tiers of 50 levels for example
If level 350 hits level 301 would get same points as if level 300 hits 251,

Hitting tier higher or lower the points would be +5% or -5% per tier

I disagree with you suggestion.

Tiers are not needed. Range +/- 25 levels is more correct way. But I don't see needs in the range as well. Simply difference in one level (player level 350 attacks player level 349) shall decrease WD points on 0.1% (same 400 points after rounding: 400-0.4=399.6 => 400). 350 attacks 340 and gets already -1% (396 points). 350 attacks 250 and gets -10% (360). 350 attacks 50 and gets -30% (280) as you suggested. Algorithm and calculation will be simple and, maybe, without bugs.

There are no needs in other factors at all including stats. We play hard and spend real money to have better stats. Why will we have less points on attacking high level player with low stats than on attacking similar gold player? What is a goal? To stay in low stats?
Gree wants to force people to hit command center and to do PA. Ok, such hits can give additional bonus that is static and the same as active defense reduction and PA amplification but only in case that your initial attack is less than rival initial defense (of course, with boosts and bonuses).

Ranking was used in old PvP only and this was correct. There are no needs in tangling WD point calculation algorithm and introducing bugs.

[Jg48]

Sounds to me like someone is pissed because there low lvl mini gets losses during WD. Well suck it up and move on. Losses don't mean nothing someone has to have losses. Either that or get to spending what the top players have spent. The top players have been at a disadvantage for over 4 years now and now the can finally score some better points now. So it's time to quit whining about the big spenders finally get decent points.

[smbass77]

why is a player from a faction that has cheated with not only this past FL glitch, but the mini move in and out cheat a while back, representing ANY player group with GREE?

[DEWIN NUTTIN]

why is a player from a faction that has cheated with not only this past FL glitch, but the mini move in and out cheat a while back, representing ANY player group with GREE?

A clever fox always ends up guarding the hen house.

[WBS]

why is a player from a faction that has cheated with not only this past FL glitch, but the mini move in and out cheat a while back, representing ANY player group with GREE?

Which representative has cheated on past?

[Annihilator2]

Sounds to me like someone is pissed because there low lvl mini gets losses during WD. Well suck it up and move on. Losses don't mean nothing someone has to have losses. Either that or get to spending what the top players have spent. The top players have been at a disadvantage for over 4 years now and now the can finally score some better points now. So it's time to quit whining about the big spenders finally get decent points.

Yes, player from top team can freely hit beginners and get great points. What is the point in this?
The problem is that point calculation algorithm was correct but aged. Light change in used constants was required, not in algorithm itself.

P.S.: no idiots are here; we know that loss does not matter in WD.

[DIABLOPEZ]

They didnt cheat last FL cause none of the 60 players got banned, as for the mini moving strategy.... That wasnt a cheat at all, that was a damn well thought strategy, lets see you spend time creating and building minis capable of 250 gunner deployments lmao...

[crazeejay]

They didnt cheat last FL cause none of the 60 players got banned, as for the mini moving strategy.... That wasnt a cheat at all, that was a damn well thought strategy, lets see you spend time creating and building minis capable of 250 gunner deployments lmao...

any noob can have a mini with 250 gunner deploys. It's called recycling. You can turn nothing into trillions in 30 minutes..lol

[DIABLOPEZ]

any noob can have a mini with 250 gunner deploys. It's called recycling. You can turn nothing into trillions in 30 minutes..lol



Did i say it wasnt possible?
I said id like to see a player spend the time getting multiple and multiple minis doing those deploys, there was no cheating involved back then, only strategy...,

[DEWIN NUTTIN]

Did i say it wasnt possible?
I said id like to see a player spend the time getting multiple and multiple minis doing those deploys, there was no cheating involved back then, only strategy...,


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[WBS]

They didnt cheat last FL cause none of the 60 players got banned, as for the mini moving strategy.... That wasnt a cheat at all, that was a damn well thought strategy, lets see you spend time creating and building minis capable of 250 gunner deployments lmao...

I don't think it was cheating either. How is it cheating if you and team can have other accounts, which is allowed, create a faction which is allowed, and compete in events which is allowed. Gree would have to punish everyone just for playing the game if they punished the minis.

Gree should not have messed with WD points, even though I like the aspect of not having to about anymore as I get great points on LLP.

And I don't know anyone playing in my faction that cares about losses during WD, they don't matter.

[Jg48]

I for one think the points are decent. Now I don't have to spend as much to get the same end result.

There was a saying when I was in the service. SUCK IT UP AND DRIVE ON.

Thanks for playing. Or not playing.