Valor and Vengence

[Laura TCK]

Many thanks for the info on the new PVP event, can you tell us the start day and time please will really help as there is a guild part

Thanks in advance

[Thorbin]

As this event appears to be scheduled soon can we also get details as to how this works. Some in the guild are very confused.

[Laura TCK]

I guess you have read the main thread on this new event the 1st one on the general page, if you have we won't get anymore info were just work it out as we go along as per norm, least it's something different and I applaude that


As this event appears to be scheduled soon can we also get details as to how this works. Some in the guild are very confused.

[Vile Lynn]

This is a post from Modern War (MW) but it's basically the same PvP event in Crime City, too... names and numbers and equipment might be a bit different, but this is an excellent post to get the basics for KA's new Valor & Vengeance. Great job, Pidgeot!
(note: IAPs: MW: gold, KA: gems)

It's an awesome PvP event for all levels! (unless you have less than 5 stamina which Pidgeot explains)
I love it, but it can be very exhausting! There is a guild part which you'll want to get thru quickly; it's easy and even losses count towards the guild goal.
I hope you all love it as much as I do! Good luck to all!


http://forums.gree.net/showthread.php?121783-How-to-play-Honor-and-Vengeance-the-Right-Way
Edit: *snip* Quoted post removed, see link above.

[Thorbin]

Oh c r a p. that give me a headache trying to understand that. Not sure I even want to try it. Thanks for the info vile lynn.

[Shaianz]

10 minutes duration on the 10% attack pack... Unless you don't have long delays with spinning circles it doesn't seem like to me is much time to get very many attacks in.

[Laura TCK]

Many thanks for the info still don't know start day so expect it to be 11pm UK time so I will be sleeping and prob working the whole of the next day so we're just see what happens

[Vile Lynn]

Many thanks for the info still don't know start day so expect it to be 11pm UK time so I will be sleeping and prob working the whole of the next day so we're just see what happens
Yeah, I just re-read A&Fs sticky about V&V... no start date or time. I'll ask if they've set a launch date/time, and if they would post it for us.
IMHO, it's important to begin the event when it starts, doing first strikes until chains start showing up. Chains start showing about an hour after it begins, depending on who you hit if they're playing or sleeping. It's too easy to get behind unless you like to use gems to keep up.


Oh c r a p. that give me a headache trying to understand that. Not sure I even want to try it. Thanks for the info vile lynn.
haha, me too, but playing the event is much, much easier than it reads...and building chains is a lot of fun! The KA community is very helpful and well connected in chat apps, so finding lots of chain-buddies should be easy!


10 minutes duration on the 10% attack pack... Unless you don't have long delays with spinning circles it doesn't seem like to me is much time to get very many attacks in.
Good point about the spinning lag... Hopefully, 10mins is long enough for one to get thru their stamina while the Attack Packs are active. The gold Attack Packs are only limited to 2, 10mins each. After they expire, more can be immediately bought if one still has stamina to use.

Gold will be a limiting factor for lower IPH players; buying the attack packs is not necessary, but I like using them when I can afford it since more points can be gained from winning "red" attacks and keeping up with chains. I doubt I have enough gold to buy them in KA. Heh, my IPH is not so hot.
In CC, my older accounts have way more cash (gold in KA) than I can use, so I buy them if only for one or two hits, especially if a high chain needs a hit. Unfortunately, I cannot afford them on my low level accounts: I do "green" First Strikes to build up my points, then hit "green" chains a bit lower than my points to compensate for my rival's bonuses, hoping to win to keep the chain going. I usually leave 1 or 2 hits in reserve just in case I lose a chain hit. In chains, one can retry with a extra Retry Bonus; the bonus stacks with each loss. (In MW, it's a +5% retry bonus; in CC it was upped to +15%... not sure what the retry bonus for KA will be until it launches, but probably +5% for the initial KA launch. Pardon my babbling. I could go on and on since I love this new PvP event so much, but I'll stop myself until it's live.)

I would expect some changes for KA's 2nd V&V, so everybody's feedback will be moat welcomed and greatly appreciated during this initial launch. Just like there are no stupid questions, there is no bad feedback.

(If you have registered for a forum account but cannot post for whatever reason, please PM me & I'll ask admin to activate your account.)

[Jnsolberg]

Vile Lynn, thanks for sharing that post about the new PvP. While it all seems confusing right now, I think that this post will help us understand it better once it goes live.

I really hope that Gree tested this before releasing it. After all, nothing ever goes wrong in KA!

[truthteller]

Vile Lynn, thanks for sharing that post about the new PvP. While it all seems confusing right now, I think that this post will help us understand it better once it goes live.

I really hope that Gree tested this before releasing it. After all, nothing ever goes wrong in KA!

Please Pass the word in GM

1- The main idea of the event is to create chains (which seems to bear the best prizes) attacking back and forth rivals rather than "tap to win all thinking"
2- in MW community it has become a "rule of gentlemen" to NEVER use the DEF boost, as this will break chains for players, those that "break the rule" are blacklisted by the community in Groupme and players will stop attacking them
3- Always check your rivals and "only" hit GREEN (you are suppose to win everytime unless they used a DEF boost and also check your GUILD list to see rivals that defeated your teammates and you can attack them too (if they are green)

NOTE: some say that even if they are RED but points are close to yours, you might be able to win the attack

NOTE2: In MW takes 5 stamina for ONE attack, so KA will probably be the same

[Laura TCK]

IPB has opened a new thread and easy to understand thanks Lynn and IPB, however I asked when is it starting if you know?, your screen shows 4 players like HB are you against them for a day like HB then it resets so if you win your matched with harder players?

[Vile Lynn]

Hi Laura, I just asked about start time. Hopefully, they'll let us know. *fingers crossed*:)



That SS shows the V&V LB... It's similar to the Indy LB in CoK, scroll down to see all of it.

To pick who you want to attack for First Stike, we'll have a list like the ever changing RL. I never counted, but it is about 10-15ish and can be refreshed like the RL.

To pick who you want to attack for chains is on another RL (on a different tab), with all of the rivals that have First Striked you (1 Chain) or you've hit back (2 or more chains). And, is also refreshable. Higher chains are usually on top.

Then there is Guild Vengeance which is another separate list of rivals who have attacked your guild mates. Winning attacks for Guild Vengeance gives your guild mates & you points and higher chains=better points. Guild Vengeance costs 6 stamina.

[Intan jabrut]

Hi anyone know how many maximum stamina if I put all of my skill points ? I am L200.
Thank you in advance.

[Jnsolberg]

I'm getting reports that the respec sheets aren't working with the new upgrade.

And Gree, how hard is it to let us know when this new event is scheduled?

[Assault and Flattery]

Valor and Vengeance will be tomorrow, August 4th at 3pm PST as are all events! Get ready!!

[Vile Lynn]

I'm getting reports that the respec sheets aren't working with the new upgrade.

And Gree, how hard is it to let us know when this new event is scheduled?

Respec sheets? for Skill Points resets? Ask them to please send in a ticket so the engineers can track the issue thru their game data... makes it easier for them to identify and fix it faster. Thanks!


I was just told that it is planned for tomorrow, Thursday, normal event start time: 3PM PDT.

Since it is a new event for KA, there might be a delay if something unexpected pops up, so please don't be too surprised or upset if it doesn't start exactly at 3PM PDT. And, please post here if you notice any issues: they'll all be online to help or fix. Just in case, if there is an unforeseen delay, apologies in advance to those players staying up late or waking up in the middle of the night for V&V to start... It'll be worth it, especially this time!

Let's hope it all goes smoothly! *fingers crossed*
This is an awesomely fun event! I can hardly wait! ;)

[Vile Lynn]

(lol! I knew A&F would post before me! She's so quick!)

Valor and Vengeance will be tomorrow, August 4th at 3pm PST as are all events! Get ready!!
Thank you, A&F! I'm soooo ready! ;)
Woot woot!

[Jnsolberg]

Respec sheets? for Skill Points resets? Ask them to please send in a ticket so the engineers can track the issue thru their game data... makes it easier for them to identify and fix it faster. Thanks!


Skill sheets have been removed from the store. I sure hope that the new event uses the same stamina that we've always used, and not some new kind of "Endurance" or something else.

[Lunagirl]

The skills sheets are also missing from the store - don't think it's a problem with a specific acct

[Lunagirl]

Lol purple

[Jnsolberg]

IPassButter, thanks for this thread:

http://forums.gree.net/showthread.php?121830-Valor-and-Vengeance

I don't see any experience points on those screens. Is that correct? If so, then we can have fun with our minis!

[Lord Vyper]

I hope the gold price for the Attack Elixir (50.000.000) (from IPB's thread about the event) will be lower when the event starts. 50M was the cash price in Modern War and cash income there is much higher than gold income in Kingdom Age, so this looks like a copy/paste error which could spoil the fun of the new event a lot.

[Laura TCK]

To all that will hit me on a first strike I will be in bed with the wife playing a different game then I work during the week in the UK so I may start a chain only 20hrs after event starts same old start time as usual come on Gree mix the times up then all time zones in the world can benefit at some point with better start times, or is it purposely 15.00 PST as your San Francisco office closes at 3pm so you don't have to deal with the tickets?

[Vile Lynn]

Skill sheets have been removed from the store. I sure hope that the new event uses the same stamina that we've always used, and not some new kind of "Endurance" or something else.
It uses the same stamina that we always use for PvP, but it uses a lot of it!
• 1 vengeance attack costs 5 stamina
• 1 first strike attack costs 5 stamina
• 1 guild vengeance attack costs 6 stamina
Stamina regen rate is the same as always.


The skills sheets are also missing from the store - don't think it's a problem with a specific acct
I'll ask about this.
They might have purposely removed them from the store, but the ones in our inventory should still be available unless they "expired" which I hope not! But, I'll ask the team.



... I don't see any experience points on those screens. Is that correct? If so, then we can have fun with our minis!
Good eye! You're right: no XP for attacks! Yay! Another awesome thing about V&V!



...event starts same old start time as usual come on Gree mix the times up then all time zones in the world can benefit at some point with better start times, or is it purposely 15.00 PST as your San Francisco office closes at 3pm so you don't have to deal with the tickets?
I think they have this start time, 3PM Pacific Time, because that is when they have the highest traffic thru their servers, meaning most are playing at that time even when an event is not beginning. (Fwiw, they have been changing some event end times to 12 Midnight, Pacific Time.)

Also, 3PM is when the most staff is in the office with plenty of time left in their workday to monitor events for tickets coming in and watch the forum for unexpected issues. Their workday starts about 10AM (+/- an hour or two) and ends pretty late, typical techie work hours. I've seen many very late night forum posts by A&F and IPB, updating us here while they're still working on issues with the engineers.

I think they would love to go home at 3PM, but that's really the middle of the workday for them.



I hope the gold price for the Attack Elixir (50.000.000) (from IPB's thread about the event) will be lower when the event starts. 50M was the cash price in Modern War and cash income there is much higher than gold income in Kingdom Age, so this looks like a copy/paste error which could spoil the fun of the new event a lot.
Good eye, too! Yikes! 50M/Attack Elixir would be way too high, imho, even for the highest IPH players in KA; elixirs are very useful and many will be bought, but the price shouldn't be a game changer. (CC's price is only $3.5M)

I'll ask the team if they would double check the elixir prices before V&V goes live.
Thanks for catching that, Lord Vyper!

[Lord Vyper]

Thx Vile Lynn!

BTW, the skill sheets we have in our inventory don't work ATM

[Vile Lynn]

Thx Vile Lynn!

BTW, the skill sheets we have in our inventory don't work ATM

You're welcome :)

IPB posted in your thread that they're investigating the SP reset sheets in our inventory.

[War player]

Is there some trick to get folks on your first strike page? Haven't had one on my list since game started. Same for my vengeance list. "There are currently no opponents".

[plavine]

Hi anyone know how many maximum stamina if I put all of my skill points ? I am L200.
Thank you in advance.
Depends on your skill points - at 2 skill points per stamina do the math - I am not aware of a max , I think you can put all skill points on stamina unless Gree has frozen the skill sheets for the event

[dpille]

Yeah, too bad we weren't one of the first 1800 people that made some progress while this was still working. To the extent you hand out prizes, Gree, maybe everyone should get them.

Oh, the ineptitude.

[Shaianz]

The event needs to be restarted! Those that were able to hit early have an advantage plus it seems others are still able to hit but all I've seen across several accounts is errors.

[Jnsolberg]

Am I missing something? I'm getting more Valor points from First Strike wins than I'm getting from Vengeance wins.
I thought chains were what we need.


I do see now that some of my chains are higher, (5-7) I'm getting more points, 1000 or more. So I guess it takes a while.


You peeps that are using defensive boosts, you won't have others hitting you back, so no chains for you!

[Gendur]

I wish we could remove a player from our vengeance list..

[Lord Vyper]

would be great if you could visit the player you attacked to leave a message on his wall (like in the battle pvp screen) - this would be helpful if you have a chain running with a player you don't know (and fun too, to talk a bit while working on a 100 chain :)