New data push 7/13/16 increased hardcore epic boss health

[reticlover]

after the new data push about couple hours ago the hardcore epic boss health increase about 10x i was killing bosses 48 with 1 free hit. now it takes 4 cash hits to kill him. gree you need to fix this NOW. its a violation of TOS for you to increase the boss health after an event has started.

[DjSyla]

after the new data push about couple hours ago the hardcore epic boss health increase about 10x i was killing bosses 48 with 1 free hit. now it takes 4 cash hits to kill him. gree you need to fix this NOW. its a violation of TOS for you to increase the boss health after an event has started.

Your thread will get deleted since one is already ongoing about it lol

[cajunman]

after the new data push about couple hours ago the hardcore epic boss health increase about 10x i was killing bosses 48 with 1 free hit. now it takes 4 cash hits to kill him. gree you need to fix this NOW. its a violation of TOS for you to increase the boss health after an event has started.

like they care if the violate their own TOS.

They will put a sale on gold and all will be forgotten. All the top teams like will spend and spend on SA & war and point totals will be higher then ever.

so ask yourself does gree care it violates the TOS?
they do it so often and people keep spending money for pixel prizes. maybe you can talk to the 10 teams or so that SAS has and you guys can actually not spend gold and maybe change will happen. but you and I know people want imaginary prizes and will spend crazy money as they don't want to lose to people they have never met in life.

[Tamale]

Hey guys, I just posted an announcement to follow up regarding this matter, with compensation details included. Please read :)

http://forums.gree.net/showthread.php?121672-07-13-2016-Hardcore-Boss-Health-Compensation

[POW!]

I don't understand what lvl x is

[Vile Lynn]

X = whatever level, I think. It's different for everybody.

[Vile Lynn]

after the new data push about couple hours ago the hardcore epic boss health increase about 10x i was killing bosses 48 with 1 free hit. now it takes 4 cash hits to kill him. gree you need to fix this NOW. its a violation of TOS for you to increase the boss health after an event has started.

Actually, GREE's ToS allows them to change anything in the game whenever they want and however they want without notice.

Btw, free hits give less points than cash hits if you care about daily HCB ranking. Eventho, I could kill for free, I was using cash to get more points per boss kill.

[Tamale]

I don't understand what lvl x is

The "x" is a placeholder number. it refers to boss Level 1 through Level 150. :)

In other words, all rewards that were offered from milestone goals with requirements to defeat the boss X amount of times are all being awarded to affected players.

[DjSyla]

The "x" is a placeholder number. it refers to boss Level 1 through Level 150. :)

In other words, all rewards that were offered from milestone goals with requirements to defeat the boss X amount of times are all being awarded to affected players.

I was on form to kill all 150 bosses and now im stuck at 108 for the remainder of event.. where does that leave me personally?

And now its impossible for me to progress any further than the 15 points i already have from 1st and 2nd placement... i will be 5th now for the next 2 days

And.. how do you determine WHO is an effected player or not?

[POW!]

Ok. So I should be expecting all the lvl milestone prizes then. Sense I have no hope of doing it now right?

[Dat Guy]

The thing that makes me the most angry is the BS excuse that they can't put it back the way it was because it would cause too much confusion.
The bottom line is, people were not on track to spend as much gold, so they made playing for free impossible.

That is why they will not change it back.

[DjSyla]

Copy and Paste to all your rooms please.. hopefully enough votes will make then change it back.. Thanks Dj

http://forums.gree.net/showthread.php?121674-*****-Change-The-Health-BACK-Please-*****-Please-VOTE-*****

[Foty]

Actually, GREE's ToS allows them to change anything in the game whenever they want and however they want without notice.

Btw, free hits give less points than cash hits if you care about daily HCB ranking. Eventho, I could kill for free, I was using cash to get more points per boss kill.

So Vile, what you're saying is, GREE can screw us anyway, anytime, and we have no say in anything? Just another way to alienate your players. If they are allowed to change whenever they want, what's the point of the rules?

[plavine]

Hey guys, I just posted an announcement to follow up regarding this matter, with compensation details included. Please read :)

http://forums.gree.net/showthread.php?121672-07-13-2016-Hardcore-Boss-Health-Compensation
I already won my group ( day 2 ended 5 pm eastern on 7/13 ) I earned my 10 points , am I getting 10 additional points to compensate for the many fewer bosses I will kill on days 3&4??

[reticlover]

Actually, GREE's ToS allows them to change anything in the game whenever they want and however they want without notice.

Btw, free hits give less points than cash hits if you care about daily HCB ranking. Eventho, I could kill for free, I was using cash to get more points per boss kill.

yes i know cash hits git more points and i do cash hit. i was just stating that they could be killed with 1 free hit.

[Foty]

I actually just read their terms of service. Didn't see any wording or anything that said they can change the game as they want to. Can you post it?

[SollyLlama]

Actually, GREE's ToS allows them to change anything in the game whenever they want and however they want without notice.

Btw, free hits give less points than cash hits if you care about daily HCB ranking. Eventho, I could kill for free, I was using cash to get more points per boss kill.

They may have the freedom to change it, but that doesn't give them a pass on the consequences.

I've filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau. I will be describing this situation to consumer advocacy groups with media ties. Changing the rules of a contest in what is promoted as "free" software to the point where purchases are required is absolutely unscrupulous, and possibly illegal.

[POW!]

This is the same wording and promises they made during the gold "glitch". Where they said they would review the leader boards on the active events. And award the prizes you should have gotten had it not been for people using "glitched" gold before being shut down.

It was just a vague statement to pacify people. They not going to do nothing. Nobody will be awarded anything.

[Vile Lynn]

So Vile, what you're saying is, GREE can screw us anyway, anytime, and we have no say in anything? Just another way to alienate your players. If they are allowed to change whenever they want, what's the point of the rules?
Well, not really... This is what I said:


Actually, GREE's ToS allows them to change anything in the game whenever they want and however they want without notice.
All players (customers) are welcome to say whatever they want here on the forum as long as the Forum Code of Conduct (http://forums.gree.net/showthread.php?105486-POLICY-Code-of-Conduct-(Updated-6-23-15)&p=1462437#post1462437) is respected when posting. See the link in the quote box of a part of the ToS, below: GREE's ToS provides another way to give your opinion.

TBH, I do not like it when events are changed after the event has begun like this. I do not think it is fair or right, but I agree to it every time I log in because I like playing.
This time it feels like an advantage was taken away from the players, but there have been times when events were changed to favor us... It's just we don't complain (or remember) about those times and are rarely as thankful as we are critical when it's not advantageous for us.



I actually just read their terms of service. Didn't see any wording or anything that said they can change the game as they want to. Can you post it?
Sure, I can... I posted (previously) my simple interpretation of the ToS statements I've highlighted in bold.
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It's a typical ToS for any gaming company. There are probably more statements from the ToS that I could have included to support my interpretation, but that's the way I understand it. Everybody is welcome to read it and post their opinion.



They may have the freedom to change it, but that doesn't give them a pass on the consequences.

I've filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau. I will be describing this situation to consumer advocacy groups with media ties. Changing the rules of a contest in what is promoted as "free" software to the point where purchases are required is absolutely unscrupulous, and possibly illegal.
True, there are consequences for everything. But, this is a game we voluntarily play.

You're right: GREE games are "Free to Play" (FTP), but we all should know by now that FTP games are hardly free IF one wants to be a competitive top player. All gaming companies work it this way: virtual goods purchases are required to be a high-ranking player, but purchases are not necessarily required to play... IOW, one has the choice to play for free or buy as much as they want.

Personally, I play for fun and spend a lot of time playing... it's just not worth my time being aggravated by things out of my control.



yes i know cash hits git more points and i do cash hit. i was just stating that they could be killed with 1 free hit.
Good :) I figured you knew it.
I posted it in case others didn't know cash hits are more valuable than free hits since this is a fairly new event where points/hit can make a difference in the daily ranking.

[F@st]

Well lvl,89 since 2 days, 2 days with 0 points, 2 days off.. fk the boss no'way to do'30 cash hits more and spend any gold on that event

[SonsOfAlex]

I was able to beat him with 4 money shots until level 91. Trying to complete level 92 for the next level, it would not move. I played it for the 2 hours it allowed, every 24 minutes I'd use money shots. At the end of 2 hours, I wasn't even close to half way killing him.

All that hard work to play the game and you get blocked from playing the rest of the event? Plus you're blocked from playing the other event? Oh well, their loss really. I play the game to max position, then can no longer play it. Then don't log in as much. Then slowly fade from playing the game all together. It happens.