FL Boost in HQ

[skid_mark17]

What happened to the FL boost in the HQ and why is it reduced?

[Speed ump]

Mark, they figured you'll lose the same at any percentage

[WBS]

This game is meant for the whales and their blubber.

[micke]

This game is meant for the whales and their blubber.

Not write so often here but this is redicilus faction have working several weeks to get this and boom it's gone and all gold with it, same as with equipment played 5 years with gold....but now gold free and PH what is meant with that? More equal? Gree is fantastic and a war game that is more equal have never heard about that if it was that he meant so NO GOLD AND NO UNDERSTANDING FOR THIS

[Pellatt]

Daylight Robbery!
This needs to be changed back before FL or I see me done!

[WBS]

Not write so often here but this is redicilus faction have working several weeks to get this and boom it's gone and all gold with it, same as with equipment played 5 years with gold....but now gold free and PH what is meant with that? More equal? Gree is fantastic and a war game that is more equal have never heard about that if it was that he meant so NO GOLD AND NO UNDERSTANDING FOR THIS


I have played since before factions also, I was never a huge spender it I bought a vault or truckload now and ten because it was worth trying and competing. But now everything has become worthless and meaningless, stats don't matter, money is useless, ltq' safe mostly worthless. Without gold you have nothing to play for.

[Hobbs]

Absolute disgrace !!
there should only be Two actions here....
1/ Return the boost to what it has always been and advertised as.
2/ Implement new boost but RETURN ALL GOLD SPEND TO ACHIEVE THIS BOOST.
let the players decide if it is worth the investment for the "new 20%" they didn't spend the gold for that boost.
It's unethical
It's an insult and disrespectful to those who invest in this game and PAY YOUR WAGES!

You are going to see masses of complaint both to GREE and APPLE/GOOGLE.
You are going to see many paying customers(including the top tier of gold buyers) quit game or quit buying gold.

Hightower let's hear your view and the resoning behind this,if the programming unbalanced the game then SORT IT AND RETURN WHAT HAS BEEN USED FOR A FLAWED PRODUCT.

[Bndawgs]

I don't see any rebalancing in regards to the cost of resources needed to upgrade buildings? Wonder why not?

I wonder if everyone would be as upset if Hightower would call this move what it is instead of lying about the reasoning?

[Hupernikomen]

Refund requests will be in droves. Baffles me sometimes how they think screwing the playerbase is a good idea financially. Hq just went from meaningful to meaningless. I will not spend another nugget on collect logs. Thanks gree for saving me so much time and money on this one.

[WBS]

Refund requests will be in droves. Baffles me sometimes how they think screwing the playerbase is a good idea financially. Hq just went from meaningful to meaningless. I will not spend another nugget on collect logs. Thanks gree for saving me so much time and money on this one.

Be careful as you said the "R" word, I just got off of a ban for saying that nasty word. I do agree with you as I think there will be many requests for those things to come. Gree is nothing more than a heartless thief.

[HellRaizer]

Be careful as you said the "R" word, I just got off of a ban for saying that nasty word. I do agree with you as I think there will be many requests for those things to come. Gree is nothing more than a heartless thief.

Welcome back .. thought it might have been for good :(

[robmurphy]

Most of the posters complaining in this room are American. America is undoubtedly the most litigious country in the Western Hemisphere.

Why don't you all stop *****ing about what GREE are or are not doing, get of your backsides and go and find out if these actions are illegal.

If they are, do something about it

If they're not, STFU or quit

Whiners whine, doers do

[WBS]

Most of the posters complaining in this room are American. America is undoubtedly the most litigious country in the Western Hemisphere.

Why don't you all stop *****ing about what GREE are or are not doing, get of your backsides and go and find out if these actions are illegal.

If they are, do something about it

If they're not, STFU or quit

Whiners whine, doers do



You can start the walk by stop reading posters posts that you deem as whining. It seems as if you think whining as players bringing to the forefront problems in the game. Wouldn't you want new players to know what type of game they are playing? Wouldn't you want new players to know that spending your money on modern war is a huge risk? Wouldn't you want new players to know that gree doesn't care about the quality of the game and to always expect problems? You see it as whining, some may consider it exposing problems and informing new players.

[robmurphy]

spending your money on modern war is a huge risk?

A huge risk? What are you talking about? This is a pay-to-play app' not Wall Street.

There's no 'risk'. You can't win anything tactile. You're not putting your life savings into Apple shares.

It's a hobby, like golf. Is selecting the colour of your tee's a huge risk? (the answer is no.....)

Stop pretending you care for new gamers or the 'little people'. You're upset because one again, for the bazillionth time, something bad has happened to you in this game you can't walk away from

Stockholm Syndrome?

[HellRaizer]

And if playing golf, on every hole the greenkeepers came along and chopped your ball up, or as your on the green they decide at that moment to change the pin position. Or maybe when the competition is over the person tallying your results gets your handicap wrong and therefore wrongly calculates your score. Would you just take it without saying anything?

[DEWIN NUTTIN]

Most of the posters complaining in this room are American. America is undoubtedly the most litigious country in the Western Hemisphere.

Why don't you all stop *****ing about what GREE are or are not doing, get of your backsides and go and find out if these actions are illegal.

If they are, do something about it

If they're not, STFU or quit

Whiners whine, doers do


Is the debate for or against the UK staying in the EU whining?

Of course it's not.

Its great when people express opinions, rather than picking up a weapon and bringing harm to others.

Besides, as long as THEALMIGHTYGREE allows people to dialogue on their forum, people will dialogue.

Anyway, I'm very interested to see what your countrymen and women decide.

I'm rooting for those wishing to exit, but I'd never try to quiet those wishing to stay.

Its good to listen, mate, even when you're happy and disagree.

[robmurphy]

And if playing golf, on every hole the greenkeepers came alone and chopped your ball up, or as your on the green they decide at that moment to change the pin position. Or maybe when the competition is over the person tallying your results gets your handicap wrong and therefore wrongly calculates your score. Would you just take it without saying anything?

Hellraizer, that's a tired and lazy response.

You miss my point (which you don't have to agree with). If I played golf in the atmosphere you describe, I'd either storm into the clubhouse demanding my money back and demanding they change things for the better. Or, I'd quit playing that course.

What I wouldn't do is whinge to all my 'friends' about how bad it is.

Some people let things happen to them, some people actually do things.

Pavlov's Dog would be right at home in this forum.

[HellRaizer]

Hellraizer, that's a tired and lazy response.

You miss my point (which you don't have to agree with). If I played golf in the atmosphere you describe, I'd either storm into the clubhouse demanding my money back and demanding they change things for the better. Or, I'd quit playing that course.

What I wouldn't do is whinge to all my 'friends' about how bad it is.

Some people let things happen to them, some people actually do things.

Pavlov's Dog would be right at home in this forum.


I used your own comparison of golf (which you have done a few times before), and your response is that you would "storm in the clubhouse demanding you money back".. Now we could consider this forum our "clubhouse" and people are certainly storming in here and demanding their money back... but in return they get banned from the clubhouse for 7 days ...

Now if this was your local club, then, in all likelihood some of your friends would be in said clubhouse whenever you make a scene and demanded your money back.. Now imagine that a member of the committee comes out and escorts you out of the building and bans you from entering again... (and you still don't get your money back.. because mistakes do happen)

See where I'm coming from .. it a terrible comparison, but i did just stick with your theme.

Side note .. Talking of Golf ... I really do miss it. Haven't played since moving to England 7 years ago :(

[robmurphy]

I used your own comparison of golf (which you have done a few times before), and your response is that you would "storm in the clubhouse demanding you money back".. Now we could consider this forum our "clubhouse" and people are certainly storming in here and demanding their money back... but in return they get banned from the clubhouse for 7 days ...

Now if this was your local club, then, in all likelihood some of your friends would be in said clubhouse whenever you make a scene and demanded your money back.. Now imagine that a member of the committee comes out and escorts you out of the building and bans you from entering again... (and you still don't get your money back.. because mistakes do happen)

See where I'm coming from .. it a terrible comparison, but i did just stick with your theme.

Side note .. Talking of Golf ... I really do miss it. Haven't played since moving to England 7 years ago :(

I miss golf too. I was born right next to a golf course in the north west of England, played non stop for years. But recently my spine has decided it doesn't like golf anymore, so I play MW.......

I think our analogies are over-stretched (like my spine.....).

All good fun.

[Agent Orange]

The problem is folks are storming the clubhouse, then being told to suck it up. The problem is not just the monetary investment but more importantly the investment of time where many of us have been playing for almost 5 years. Then there is the commitment to our fellow players in terms of factions and gaming friends.

Granted the gree has done a pretty spectacular job of dismantling this game and chasing players away but still the loyalty (insanity) to fellow players is strong and what still makes the game of interest.

Hellraizer nails it when he takes apart the golf analogy by mentioning the obvious which is moving the pin or in our case the goal posts. Or changing the handicap (boosts) or the hundreds of other switches that have taken place over the years. Which is why we complain, otherwise gree would just keep trying to get away with all of this nonsense, and to some degree they do however it makes getting refunds a lot easier, especially when accounts get locked out. But it does seem to me that they hope that folks just keep blindly spending and to accept the fact that they screw up, which may not in some cases be honest mistakes but actually deceptions….

Many have given up and quit and it almost feels as if gree doesn't care or actually want this to happen which is beyond stupid IMHO because each of those displaced players will likely never use or spend money on another gree product. I know I won't, and in fact I deleted all the other games from this company a long time ago. Yet in a weird way this one endures on my devices. At this point though it seems that I play more out of morbid curiosity then caring if I place in a high ranking faction. I think the other challenge for me is to play for free and make up my own strategies as I muddle along.

[WBS]

A huge risk? What are you talking about? This is a pay-to-play app' not Wall Street.

There's no 'risk'. You can't win anything tactile. You're not putting your life savings into Apple shares.

It's a hobby, like golf. Is selecting the colour of your tee's a huge risk? (the answer is no.....)

Stop pretending you care for new gamers or the 'little people'. You're upset because one again, for the bazillionth time, something bad has happened to you in this game you can't walk away from

Stockholm Syndrome?

Actually I think it's important to inform players coming in what they are getting into. I used to tell my friends about this game hoping they would join and be in same faction.

Yes it is a risk spending money as you don't know if you will actually get what you decided to spend on. It goes with any business purchase, if we continue to get bait and switched then would you continue to spend? I think I already know your answer.

Why do you ignore the corrupt mess of gree's business model? I would think you would realize it is gree that has caused the sour attitude and frustrations within these forums. They are far beating a simple glitch here and there.

[robmurphy]

Actually I think it's important to inform players coming in what they are getting into. I used to tell my friends about this game hoping they would join and be in same faction.

Yes it is a risk spending money as you don't know if you will actually get what you decided to spend on. It goes with any business purchase, if we continue to get bait and switched then would you continue to spend? I think I already know your answer.

Why do you ignore the corrupt mess of gree's business model? I would think you would realize it is gree that has caused the sour attitude and frustrations within these forums. They are far beating a simple glitch here and there.

What makes you think (as you say) I ignore the corrupt mess of GREEs business model. I've made the point, often and clearly, that some people take action, some people just talk.

I take action.

[Brown Out]

Most of the posters complaining in this room are American. America is undoubtedly the most litigious country in the Western Hemisphere.

Why don't you all stop *****ing about what GREE are or are not doing, get of your backsides and go and find out if these actions are illegal.

If they are, do something about it

If they're not, STFU or quit

Whiners whine, doers do


Exactly! Thank you!

[WBS]

What makes you think (as you say) I ignore the corrupt mess of GREEs business model. I've made the point, often and clearly, that some people take action, some people just talk.

I take action.


So do I, I quit giving them money over a year ago and I sent tickets in, now I have come to realize that tickets rarely if ever get answered.

I would like to know how you are helping make the game better?

[WBS]

Exactly! Thank you!

Coming from the guy who had all kinds of issues in the game and posted about them back when there wasn't near as much problems. Things get worse and you flip flopped, I do enjoy your comedic relief though, satire can be funny once in awhile ;)

[robmurphy]

I would like to know how you are helping make the game better?

I'm just a medium sized fish in a big pond.

In game, I have played in every event (working properly or glitched) for the past 4+ years. I think in some small way, participation keeps this game from imploding. So perhaps I help a little that way.

Outside of the game, I contribute more than you could guess, but I don't need to (or want to) expand on that.

You don't spend money and complain through a mechanism that doesn't work. I'd say you do, at best, nothing to help this game.

But hey, that's just my perspective. I just can't stand negativity.

[WBS]

I'm just a medium sized fish in a big pond.

In game, I have played in every event (working properly or glitched) for the past 4+ years. I think in some small way, participation keeps this game from imploding. So perhaps I help a little that way.

Outside of the game, I contribute more than you could guess, but I don't need to (or want to) expand on that.

You don't spend money and complain through a mechanism that doesn't work. I'd say you do, at best, nothing to help this game.

But hey, that's just my perspective. I just can't stand negativity.


I have played just as long as you have Rob. We just perceive business ethics differently and reward or punish differently. I still like the game as to why I still play and post. I don't like the company running it. The only way to help gree right now is by spending. They have listened very little to what the player base has said. You see it as negativity because gree is putting out shoddy programming, some People view it as constructive criticism or down right get your act together.

The majority of the upset players are ones who have played a very long time and have put in a lot of time into the game and money. Maybe you have spent time helping outside of the game, where has it gotten MW? It hasn't gotten better in at least 1.5 years overall.

[robmurphy]

I have played just as long as you have Rob. We just perceive business ethics differently and reward or punish differently. I still like the game as to why I still play and post. I don't like the company running it. The only way to help gree right now is by spending. They have listened very little to what the player base has said. You see it as negativity because gree is putting out shoddy programming, some People view it as constructive criticism or down right get your act together.

The majority of the upset players are ones who have played a very long time and have put in a lot of time into the game and money. Maybe you have spent time helping outside of the game, where has it gotten MW? It hasn't gotten better in at least 1.5 years overall.

What I do outside either helps or it doesn't. Time will tell

What do you suggest? A gold boycott?

Logically that would work, but emotionally it seems unlikely to ever happen, and GREE know that.

If Stephen, Mike, Phil and all the other beasts proposed it, I'd support it and try to rally support.

You cannot argue that fact that just complaining will do nothing to improve the situation.

Why don't you step up and help make a change?

[WBS]

What I do outside either helps or it doesn't. Time will tell

What do you suggest? A gold boycott?

Logically that would work, but emotionally it seems unlikely to ever happen, and GREE know that.

If Stephen, Mike, Phil and all the other beasts proposed it, I'd support it and try to rally support.

You cannot argue that fact that just complaining will do nothing to improve the situation.

Why don't you step up and help make a change?

Continuing to feed them money could be argued as a big reason they are not fixing anything? Nothing players do will help, unless they fire the developers and get serious about their customer service the game will continue to sink and the whales will continue to spend.

Do I think a boycott would work, I think it could, unless gree decides to shut the game down for good instead. I think it cannot be argued that thinking positive about this game will help either as gree has continually shown its true colors of screwing the player base.

The players have given gree free advice and things to make the game better for years, has free listened?
I help by not spending and by bringing up prormsvwithin the game. If you feel led to to help gree on your free time that is your choice and I wish you luck.

I thought gree started getting serious about its problems with player mids, then they would get booted. Then Hightower comes and seems to communicate more, that isn't helping the games problems but it does help to see some sort of communication in forums. But I don't know if he isn't allowed to say why they screw players over, or if he's part of it. I don't know.

You can't even read more than 4 reviews anymore on the game as they are all negative but truthful. Gree needs a whole new image and s whole new company name.

[robmurphy]

Continuing to feed them money could be argued as a big reason they are not fixing anything? Nothing players do will help, unless they fire the developers and get serious about their customer service the game will continue to sink and the whales will continue to spend.

Do I think a boycott would work, I think it could, unless gree decides to shut the game down for good instead. I think it cannot be argued that thinking positive about this game will help either as gree has continually shown its true colors of screwing the player base.

The players have given gree free advice and things to make the game better for years, has free listened?
I help by not spending and by bringing up prormsvwithin the game. If you feel led to to help gree on your free time that is your choice and I wish you luck.

I thought gree started getting serious about its problems with player mids, then they would get booted. Then Hightower comes and seems to communicate more, that isn't helping the games problems but it does help to see some sort of communication in forums. But I don't know if he isn't allowed to say why they screw players over, or if he's part of it. I don't know.

You can't even read more than 4 reviews anymore on the game as they are all negative but truthful. Gree needs a whole new image and s whole new company name.

OK WBS, all good. We both hope things will improve and we both do what we think is best.

Let's remain peers, not enemies. After all, it's just a game.

Rob (aka Sheldon Cooper)

[WBS]

OK WBS, all good. We both hope things will improve and we both do what we think is best.

Let's remain peers, not enemies. After all, it's just a game.

Rob (aka Sheldon Cooper)

I don't see anyone as an enemy on a forum over a game, I'm just a person who will discuss anything. Have a good day man.

[Speed ump]

Gree just took a mulligan, what's the big deal,lol.

[Hupernikomen]

What makes you think (as you say) I ignore the corrupt mess of GREEs business model. I've made the point, often and clearly, that some people take action, some people just talk.

I take action.


Perhaps posting here in a civilized way is an action. You resort to whining about "american whiners"..go figure. What my nationality has to do with me being upset by this deceptive and cowardly act of gree, who once again changed the before establish goals mid-stream, I don't know.

Lastly, rather ironic you called out americans and insuate we suffer from a syndrome named after europeans. Classic!

--Pesky americans, all we do is gripe, complain, and try to force our will upon the world, Yes one must rant to stop the injustice of it! Be like the Europeans, they take it with chin up whilst toeing the line.

Stereotype much??

[robmurphy]

Perhaps posting here in a civilized way is an action. You resort to whining about "american whiners"..go figure. What my nationality has to do with me being upset by this deceptive and cowardly act of gree, who once again changed the before establish goals mid-stream, I don't know.

Lastly, rather ironic you called out americans and insuate we suffer from a syndrome named after europeans. Classic!

--Pesky americans, all we do is gripe, complain, and try to force our will upon the world, Yes one must rant to stop the injustice of it! Be like the Europeans, they take it with chin up whilst toeing the line.

Stereotype much??

Erm.......OK.....thank you for your contribution.....

[WBS]

Gree just took a mulligan, what's the big deal,lol.

I think gree has used way too many mulligans. Now they are just throwing the ball by hand while hoping no one is looking.

[Speed ump]

Actually they don't care if anyone is looking anymore. I've heard that teams with the same boosts are showing different boost percentages also after the changes. Typical gree. I guess good news is that my team fared on the positive side of that, but I'd rather it be correct anyways. I hate giving valid excuses for why we won, so used to hearing all the invalid ones.

[WBS]

Actually they don't care if anyone is looking anymore. I've heard that teams with the same boosts are showing different boost percentages also after the changes. Typical gree. I guess good news is that my team fared on the positive side of that, but I'd rather it be correct anyways. I hate giving valid excuses for why we won, so used to hearing all the invalid ones.


I think in all respects the majority of players know that top teams win because they spend more than other teams. I don't think many believe that top teams have to cheat or strategize to win.

I think everyone can agree that if players spend gold to get to a bonus that gree puts out they should be able to keep that bonus unless it's stated beforehand that it's temporary. Otherwise I believe it is theft and immoral business practice.

[Speed ump]

It's the number two team that I was refering to, not the other teams. I'm sure that deep down they do know, but don't want to admit.

[WBS]

It's the number two team that I was refering to, not the other teams. I'm sure that deep down they do know, but don't want to admit.

I think the top 2 teams have been one big happy married couple in MW ;) there's always bickering going on lol.

[Maddo.MiCRO]

And if playing golf, on every hole the greenkeepers came along and chopped your ball up, or as your on the green they decide at that moment to change the pin position. Or maybe when the competition is over the person tallying your results gets your handicap wrong and therefore wrongly calculates your score. Would you just take it without saying anything?

I would , but I'm a golf tragic anyway, been a gold free player since I started and not complaining as its Fun ( sometimes frustrating,like golf) and i'm sure thats why 95% play it, addictive at least

[HellRaizer]

I would , but I'm a golf tragic anyway, been a gold free player since I started and not complaining as its Fun ( sometimes frustrating,like golf) and i'm sure thats why 95% play it, addictive at least

Comically I enjoy it more gold free. I only do a few of the events. Maybe one battle in FL and WD but because I'm not losing real cash I don't get as annoyed..

As for golf, I was just at that level were you have to take it a little seriously.. So I tried to divide my "seriousness" between Saturday competitions and then friendly banter during the week. But now working and living in London killed my time.. No time during the week and I think the wife would kill me if I disappeared in Saturday's, and I don't think I can justify the membership fees over here

[Agent Orange]

I confess that I actually like playing for free as well. When I first started to play I'd log in and get pissed off that my base was decimated, that lasted a month or so then I realized that I would never catch up to those doing it so I never bothered to try. I'd buy the odd building but a few years ago I decided to stop rebuilding any money building that was raided, granted the darn game resets them because of the lag and me swiping across my base but I don't bother to reset any intentionally.

In any event that is the purpose of the game, to get you all worked up so that you spend to get even. Once you get over that 'feature' the game can be more enjoyable. All these piss off inducing 'glitches' and bait and switches might actually be intentional to some degree to keep your blood pressure up and the spend light on, though the gree-nius who 'thought' that one up miscalculated monumentally as that opened up the door to uncontested refunds and an interesting way of playing for 'free'.

Back then there was lots of peer pressure in the factions to spend, and commit to a serious time commitment. Factions are the best part of this game but we had a couple of players who were way to serious, tried to fracture the faction and ultimately caused a split. At that point I said to myself that the fun was gone and I started to just set up my own faction with the players I had already created. And like HR I only do a couple of WD's and I stopped doing FL a long time ago.

I find the most fun is playing down in the lowest levels with my 'new' factions where spending isn't as critical or even necessary and where strategy actually makes the game fun again.

[WBS]

The pressure or the feeling to compete left a long time ago. Like you guys it is not bad playing for free, some of the glitches and lag get annoying but there is no reason to care about stats or participation anymore. Bring in a top 250-300 with barely any participation shows how far down this game has come. Now I just Cadillac log in once or twice a day to collect money and uograde a money building. My one thing I still go for is iph even though it's useless but I want to get as many buildings to 20 as I can before game shuts down or I quit for good.

[DEWIN NUTTIN]

Comically I enjoy it more gold free. I only do a few of the events. Maybe one battle in FL and WD but because I'm not losing real cash I don't get as annoyed..

As for golf, I was just at that level were you have to take it a little seriously.. So I tried to divide my "seriousness" between Saturday competitions and then friendly banter during the week. But now working and living in London killed my time.. No time during the week and I think the wife would kill me if I disappeared in Saturday's, and I don't think I can justify the membership fees over here


I'm with HR AO WBS