Can you take away all these defense mods?

[Evan1000]

People used to complain about the balance of attack to defense mods. People thought GREE gave out too many attack mods. I wasn't one of them.

Almost everyone has targets and almost everyone is a target. That's the way it should be.

With the past few cycles my defense is nearly catching up to my attack. It was good at first, nice defense boost. But soon no one is going to have targets, and DL stats will be insane.

This could very well be balanced out by giving attack mods for indi prizes, and it would be great, you can finally fix the attack/defense balance.. but indis suck. What's the point of spending gold if T300 indi has the same exact 1% mafia attack prize as T3000 indi?

No point whatsoever. It's stupid.

Fix this before it becomes a big problem.

[namedud]

I'll save Gree the effort of a response:

"Hahaha. Another kid crunching numbers in his mom's basement posted about how his way of designing the game is way better. Oh wait, no, it's just that Monday to Friday self entitled Evan kid again."

[Dipstik]

I would LOVE to see a game designed by evan... I wouldn't want to play it, but it would be amusing to see.

[Evan1000]

I would make a great game. Maybe that's what I'll do with my life.

Screw college, I'll live in my mom's basement creating video games and become more successful than GREE


....but seriously. Having the indi prizes for T200 - T3k the same exact prize is smart?

[Bad Fish]

Will those prizes stack?

[xWolfSlayerx]

I would LOVE to see a game designed by evan... I wouldn't want to play it, but it would be amusing to see.

I would have to agree with you. Evan would be the perfect designer of games, maybe even find a job as one at GREE.

[crime cow]

I would LOVE to see a game designed by evan... I wouldn't want to play it, but it would be amusing to see.

So instead of just attacking him, tell us what you think is wrong with his ideas...I realize that's not why you're on the forum, but it would be interesting to see if have any critical thinking skills, or if making fun of people and popcorn posts are the upper limits of your cognitive abilities.

[Dipstik]

So instead of just attacking him, tell us what you think is wrong with his ideas...I realize that's not why you're on the forum, but it would be interesting to see if have any critical thinking skills, or if making fun of people and popcorn posts are the upper limits of your cognitive abilities.

In case you haven't been reading, we've been over this dozens of times. He hasn't changed, and it's not worth responding substantively anymore. Troll harder, son.

[Evan1000]

I don't see how having the same indi prize for the T200-3000 would in any way be a good idea. Dippy, please explain how it would be.

I could be wrong about "game balance," but what's worse, having everyone be able to beat everyone, or having no one be able to attack anyone?

[Dipstik]

Go buy more gold, evan...

[Evan1000]

Go buy more gold, evan...

What a great response. You're not even going to bother to try and explain your reasoning for thinking my ideas are so bad? Just going to leave me at the false sense of hope that I actually did have a point in what I said?

Or perhaps I was correct, I did have a point, and you failed at what you try so hard to strive in- trolling. It doesn't matter really, we both know not a single GREE employee will come across this thread and if at the slightest chance they do will fail to do anything about it. It was more for I wanted to see what other people thought about all the defense mods being handed out and how many trolls lined up to post on my thread as they do every other.

And let's say I did take your advice and bought gold. Guess where I'm not spending it because of what I pointed out in this thread?

[Dipstik]

maybe your constant complaints aren't worth answering anymore, evan. I'm pretty sure no ones going to listen to you anyway, so why should I bother?

[crime cow]

Wow! What epic responses!! At least that's probably how you view them, right? Once again you resort to comebacks typical of a fifth grader, rather than have a meaningful discussion. It's actually laughable that you think you're opinion is somehow better than Evan's, when his posts usually deal with game content, whereas yours almost never do. I'm sorry, but the bullying thing wore quickly long ago and now you just come across as desperate for attention and feeble minded.

[F@st]

there is no point to get mod atk or def if no one can be used.

that what u say evan, so u pay for get mod can't be used.

i remember at start of the game when all PAY and not litle for get GREEN NEWS; i remenber that me i PAY for get Green news and get it ! but ? after complaint GREE remove that and all come again RED..

like accomplices.


conclusion ; we pay for nothing just play for any mod uselees.

[Ninja☆Smoke]

Wow! What epic responses!! At least that's probably how you view them, right? Once again you resort to comebacks typical of a fifth grader, rather than have a meaningful discussion. It's actually laughable that you think you're opinion is somehow better than Evan's, when his posts usually deal with game content, whereas yours almost never do. I'm sorry, but the bullying thing wore quickly long ago and now you just come across as desperate for attention and feeble minded. LMFAO.....You just scroll past horse guy posts now pretty much a waste 2 second of your life ....Sad really he used to cook up funny witty stuff, clever word play, sprinkle with a hint of tasty propaganda and truth. #Smugface

[Rodimus]

Looking for people to attack? Do it on Crime City...don't do it on the forums. Thank you

[Dipstik]

Looking for people to attack? Do it on Crime City...don't do it on the forums. Thank you

I would, but you gave out all these damn defense mods...

[Max Power]

I don't see a problem with increased defense mods. You can still rob people all day long when they have the same defense as your attack, and maybe, just maybe, it should be at least a little bit of a challenge to rob or beat people up rather than them just showing up on your rivals list.

Of course, the person complaining about it has been complaining about prize allocation for what is now going on years, so I can see exactly where Dippy is coming from. This complaint isn't constructive at all, it is just coming from a person who wants the game designed to their logic, and is willing to complain about it repeatedly knowing full well that all it is doing is filling the airwaves with white noise.

#whitenoisematters

[crime cow]

I'm with Max in that I don't really care much about the mod. My defense still has a long ways to go in order to equal my attack and I doubt they'll ever be equal. I don't hit anyone on my rivals list because I can't ever find anyone with an IPH above or even close to mine and I don't just want to open up links for someone to attack repeatedly, so it really doesn't matter to me if I have targets or not. If they don't bring back a PvP tournament than that part of the game is dead to me.

IMO these types of issues only affect the top players and since I can't even get the free videos anymore, I'm just not affected in the same way as I haven't had any gold to spend in over six months. I think its been demonstrated over and over that CC is lacking in imagination on their mods and I've said repeatedly that if Gree wanted those that buy gold to spend more gold they should fix some of these issues. However, they obviously aren't going to make any of these changes, so if you spend gold and get a mod you are unhappy with that's kind of on you at this point.

All that being said, I don't see why everyone gets bent out of shape by the threads or posts from the OP. Yes, he's being repetitive, but a look on the front page of the forum today has threads on the health of the Epic Boss, mods not working right, lack of support from Gree, parts of the game malfunctioning and a thread on Raid Boss health. I would pretty much consider all of these 'white noise' as well and would say they have been beaten to death. At least the OP of this thread is talking about game mechanics and strategy.

Max Powers and I have had a couple back and forth debates in the past, but just as in his post above, he usually offers some constructive criticism and doesn't just attack the poster, which I appreciate and it makes this cesspool a little less nauseating to dive into...

[Red BD]

I don't hit anyone on my rivals list because I can't ever find anyone with an IPH above or even close to mine....

Not trying to divert the topic, but I'm here to learn. So why do you use IPH as a factor in deciding who to attack?

[Evan1000]

The key words in my thread were "before it becomes a problem." I didn't say "I can't attack anyone."

I know plenty of people whose defense is over their attack, it's becoming common now, and looking a few cycles ahead targets WILL become scarce if defense mods continue to be handed out like this. Yes it mainly affects the people in syns who are racking up the "mafia defense" mods in the upper ranks.

I don't care so much about that as I care about the simple fact that the T200 prize, which takes several vaults of gold to maintain, is the same exact prize as the T3000 prize, which can be gotten gold free. Someone please explain to me the "logic" in that, because I seem to be missing it.

EDIT: No one is going to be able to touch a guy with 500% mafia defense on top of all his other mods and stats. This will be the T5 players. Sound familiar? No one could touch the T3 for how long, considering each guy in a 60 man syn had 200% ip increase. It's going to be exactly like that. The top teams untouchable, and everyone else struggling to find targets.

And yes dippy, of course the top teams have the right to be untouchable, considering the amount of money they dump into the game. But that brings me back to the fact that every prize in the T200-3k is exactly the same. So they're growing insane in stats while everyone else is going to be increasing in defense but at a standstill for attack? There's nothing wrong with that?

[sister morphine]

If you're wanting to share the same playing field as the "top" players, then you'll have to spend the same ridiculous sums of money as they do.

If you're unwilling or unable to do that, then just play for fun. It's a dumb game not some life achievement.

[crime cow]

Not trying to divert the topic, but I'm here to learn. So why do you use IPH as a factor in deciding who to attack?

This is actually just me being OCD and living in the past. IPH used to mean something, but it really doesn't anymore as there are lots of people, including me that are sitting on over a trillion dollars and have nothing to spend it on. It used to annoy me when I would get robbed of a million dollars by someone with a zero IPH. Now if I get robbed it's usually somewhere between $100 million to a billion. I used to spend a lot of time robbing as it was great to find someone you could beat that had a higher IPH than you, since they couldn't retaliate without giving you a link on your news feed that you could use to stalk their hood and hit their key buildings before they had a chance to collect them. The pettiness in me still doesn't want to attack someone with a significantly lower IPH since they would just rob me over and over. Some people, I believe Vile Lynn was one, have stated they don't care about retaliation and attack anyone they want. That's a better approach for getting bricks and powers, but I just can't bring myself to do it.

[Max Power]

All that being said, I don't see why everyone gets bent out of shape by the threads or posts from the OP. Yes, he's being repetitive, but a look on the front page of the forum today has threads on the health of the Epic Boss, mods not working right, lack of support from Gree, parts of the game malfunctioning and a thread on Raid Boss health. I would pretty much consider all of these 'white noise' as well and would say they have been beaten to death. At least the OP of this thread is talking about game mechanics and strategy.


I think there are a couple of differences. Those same old tired rants about those same old game flaws are coming from multiple people, not the same person over and over and over again. The same person that gins the system for free gold, lies about gold spending, submits admin tickets to get back free gold because prizes didn't stack, etc.

In essence, the reason people lose their minds when the OP posts something for the 100th time is because the OP is a very easy person not to like. At the end of the day, if people like you, they will give you a lot of rope.

[Pablo Benassi]

I had 2 accounts playing in a top 15 team. They were just fine for battle, relatively good lvl and stats. Now with all this defense inflation they are useless. Half of the battles we get they don't have good targets.... I had to drop them to a lower syndicate now.... Sad.

[doctormojo]

I have to say here, while Evan does do a lot himself to make himself come off as unlikable, he is just a kid, please keep that in mind. With regards to his point, I have actually not noticed any increase in defense mods, but that's probably just because I've been playing the game a lot less since it sucks so much now. I did notice in the last Battle for Empire City event that every damn team we were facing had insane defense stats. We finished in the top 30 which is pretty typical for us, and most battles there will be one or 2 teams where I have no targets, but this time around I had no targets a significant portion of the time, and other people in my syn were complaining about it too, so while I haven't actively noticed what Evan is posting about here, he's clearly got a point.

[Evan1000]

Wait.. so you're in a T30 and you haven't noticed that every single syndicate war and SA prize for the past few cycles was a defense mod?

[The_]

everyone dies in the end

[sister morphine]

Wait.. so you're in a T30 and you haven't noticed that every single syndicate war and SA prize for the past few cycles was a defense mod?
Not everybody studies the prizes intently. Does that come as a surprise?

[sfun]

People used to complain about the balance of attack to defense mods. People thought GREE gave out too many attack mods. I wasn't one of them.

Almost everyone has targets and almost everyone is a target. That's the way it should b


You do know mods arent the problem Evan. Its the never ending box events with 1m+ items that make people much much stronger. Mods without items are useless.

[Evan1000]

Not everybody studies the prizes intently. Does that come as a surprise?

.. you don't need to study a rewards lists intently to realize it's all defense mods. If you do.. well that's unfortunate

[Evan1000]

You do know mods arent the problem Evan. Its the never ending box events with 1m+ items that make people much much stronger. Mods without items are useless.

That just causes stat inflation. I personally see nothing wrong with stat inflation, others care to disagree, but the problem is all the top teams racking up mafia defense mods. Of course you need items to do so, but the mods are what's skyrocketing defense inflation.

I know a guy, not that big a gold spender, who has a defense nearly 10b over his attack. That shouldn't be the case

[doctormojo]

Wait.. so you're in a T30 and you haven't noticed that every single syndicate war and SA prize for the past few cycles was a defense mod?

Like I said I've been playing a lot less and don't really pay any attention to the prizes. In fact, this past SA, I never even got a prizes screen. Even when I do score really well its like oh boy, a few hundred million more in stats, what were my stats before again?

[namedud]

.. you don't need to study a rewards lists intently to realize it's all defense mods. If you do.. well that's unfortunate

Actual "free" players have no reason to care what the prizes are. Prizes are only relevant if you, or most of your friends, are spending money.

You're right that you wouldn't have to "study" the list as a 16 year old American boy defines the word study. However, if you view an entire data set, analyze it, and come to certain conclusions based on your observations, you have studied the data set. Or in this case, prize list.

And clearly you have studied all of them.

[Greeny1]

Love Def mods........one day they will match attack mods

[TMI]

My defense isn't even half of my attack!

What gives?

:(

[Evan1000]

Actual "free" players have no reason to care what the prizes are. Prizes are only relevant if you, or most of your friends, are spending money.

I honestly don't see why they don't.

We are in fact playing a game, right? We all play this game for the same purpose which is to have fun, right?

Half the fun of the game is collecting prizes to build stats and being able to beat other players, same goes for most other games out there with the same kind of gameplay.

You're saying that "free" players are irrelevant to the game and to GREE? I disagree, considering if there are no free players, gold spenders have no incentive to spend, and GREE loses their player base.

But again, the same goes for every game out there, 90% of the players are "free" players, and there's that 10% that spends like crazy. The only thing GREE does differently, is they try to utilize that 10% to the max of their ability, milking every penny they can out of them, and leaving all the other players in the dust. That I also don't agree with.

I feel that 10,000 light gold spenders would be better for a company than 100 heavy gold spenders.

But who knows. GREE is a multi billion dollar company, that must mean they have to be doing something right, right?

[Dipstik]

I don't even look at the prizes... It really doesn't matter. Next round of inflation they'll all be obsolete anyway.

[kids]

We are in fact playing a game, right? We all play this game for the same purpose which is to have fun, right?

Half the fun of the game is collecting prizes to build stats and being able to beat other players, same goes for most other games out there with the same kind of gameplay.

You're saying that "free" players are irrelevant to the game and to GREE? I disagree, considering if there are no free players, gold spenders have no incentive to spend, and GREE loses their player base.

But again, the same goes for every game out there, 90% of the players are "free" players, and there's that 10% that spends like crazy. The only thing GREE does differently, is they try to utilize that 10% to the max of their ability, milking every penny they can out of them, and leaving all the other players in the dust. That I also don't agree with.

I feel that 10,000 light gold spenders would be better for a company than 100 heavy gold spenders.

Sounds logical to me

[Dipstik]

I feel that 10,000 light gold spenders would be better for a company than 100 heavy gold spenders.

Sounds logical to me

That would depend on the numbers. I don't know them, but I bet there are dozens of people at gree crunching them every day.

[sister morphine]

I honestly don't see why they don't.

We are in fact playing a game, right? We all play this game for the same purpose which is to have fun, right?

Half the fun of the game is collecting prizes to build stats and being able to beat other players, same goes for most other games out there with the same kind of gameplay.

You're saying that "free" players are irrelevant to the game and to GREE? I disagree, considering if there are no free players, gold spenders have no incentive to spend, and GREE loses their player base.

But again, the same goes for every game out there, 90% of the players are "free" players, and there's that 10% that spends like crazy. The only thing GREE does differently, is they try to utilize that 10% to the max of their ability, milking every penny they can out of them, and leaving all the other players in the dust. That I also don't agree with.

I feel that 10,000 light gold spenders would be better for a company than 100 heavy gold spenders.

But who knows. GREE is a multi billion dollar company, that must mean they have to be doing something right, right?
You're right; it should be about fun. Those big spenders might get a blast out of dumping enough cash into a throw-away phone app to buy a top of the range phone, or maybe a MacBook every month. Some few might even spend enough on pixels to buy a new car every few months! That's how to enjoy yourself. :rolleyes:

The free players are irrelevant to the players at that level; or even at your level of "spending", Evan. Not so long ago my stats were better than yours, but now I couldn't touch you. It makes no difference to me that I can't, but there's no mileage in the attempt to justify free players being a spur to spenders. Now, it's all about their 'need' to maintain rank vis a vis their rivals in the shrinking pool. Ego is all.

[namedud]

I honestly don't see why they don't.

You wouldn't.


We are in fact playing a game, right? We all play this game for the same purpose which is to have fun, right?

Half the fun of the game is collecting prizes to build stats and being able to beat other players, same goes for most other games out there with the same kind of gameplay.

Is your PvP experience really that different than it was with 1/3 your current stats? I mean everything else aside, when you tap the attack button, does something magical happen now that didn't used to happen? Since you probably missed it, that was a rhetorical question.


You're saying that "free" players are irrelevant to the game and to GREE?

Is that what I said? Please provide a quote.


I disagree, considering if there are no free players, gold spenders have no incentive to spend, and GREE loses their player base.

Are you serious? At this point you must be trolling.


But again, the same goes for every game out there, 90% of the players are "free" players, and there's that 10% that spends like crazy.

And you don't think these big spenders spend what they want regardless of free players? Free players make no difference to the big spenders because the game mechanics rarely allow those accounts to interact. The only time a (actual) free account ever even sees the big spending accounts is when they are playing above their "league" in battle events.


The only thing GREE does differently, is they try to utilize that 10% to the max of their ability, milking every penny they can out of them, and leaving all the other players in the dust. That I also don't agree with.

Gree isn't doing anything differently. You're too busy playing Crime City to have any idea what other games are like, let alone other game companies. If you knew what you were talking about you wouldn't say Gree is that much worse than many of the other freemium game businesses currently going.


I feel that 10,000 light gold spenders would be better for a company than 100 heavy gold spenders.

Lol. You "feel". Your opinion based on a complete lack of information is worth nothing.


But who knows. GREE is a multi billion dollar company, that must mean they have to be doing something right, right?

Well, they've got you spending all your "spare" time playing their game, and paying them for the privilege while still thinking you're playing for free. Most people could only dream of getting repeat suckers like that.

[sfun]

The only time a (actual) free account ever even sees the big spending accounts is when they are playing above their "league" in battle events.


I see what you did there sir.

[montecore]

If you want to be able to attack or rob higher stat players, buy gold and spend it in a way that increases your stats. There is only one person who will ever be impossible to rob at any given time, and most of the time, even they can be robbed by a handful of people.

Or follow sister's lead and have fun as a free player.

[Camper]

Munching popcorn......