New Heroic Mode Aug 20th (Today)!

[WatermelonSeed]

So, this is kind of low on the radar, but the new Heroic Mode is going to start today. Any thoughts or predictions?

[Ant venom]

Yes, but it isn't really a prediction the Armor according to their Facebook page is gonna be Vargar Raiment which is Fire/Water but this Armor is also fusible and don't have the best of stats making which doesn't mean it's a revamp unless they extend the time period and improve the drop rates.

[Adisty]

My prediction: Big hype, bigger let down.

[sturick]

I'm guessing they just reskinned the areas with new, tougher bosses. If we are lucky, they will extend the time frame to at least 2 weeks.

[Valarauko]

Yes, but it isn't really a prediction the Armor according to their Facebook page is gonna be Vargar Raiment which is Fire/Water but this Armor is also fusible and don't have the best of stats making which doesn't mean it's a revamp unless they extend the time period and improve the drop rates.

Agreed!... Vargar is not really what I had in mind, kind of a let down and it has not started yet.

[Kangaroeland]

How on earth is vargar a letdown

[sturick]

How on earth is vargar a letdown

Agreed.

It is the first double strong heroic armor and the stats are almost 200 points higher than the previous best heroic armor.

[El Picador]

Oo Vargar! Good thing I kept the reg :)

[Lord P]

Vargar Raiment+ is the number 2 fire/water epic...... nuff said.

[sturick]

It looks like the timeframe is 3 weeks! So far so good.

Now about those drop rates...

[Lord P]

someone please post if you can still get the plus if you have the regular.........

and note: it's really been revamped with many new bosses.

Oh, and we have until September 10th. YAY!!!

[sturick]

Jumped straight to the last stage...10 waves of single bosses.

So far I'm 2 for 2 on crystals...too early to tell if the drop rate is changed.

[Mike WDragon]

3 for 3 so far on drops...

[El Picador]

You can get the plus if you have the reg :)

[Adisty]

My prediction: Big hype, bigger let down.

I was wrong ☺ so far 9/9 on drop rate. Hope this continues. Good job GREE, and thank you for listening!

[SBBL Indigo]

I was wrong ☺ so far 9/9 on drop rate. Hope this continues. Good job GREE, and thank you for listening!

Yep - credit where credit is due. 100% drop rate, extremely good armour (how can anyone complain - it hits 4500/3400 or so with good atk jewels and it's FREE) and the 'epic boss on steroids' theme is awesome!!

For the first time since the first heroic, the Line community hasn't been filled with complaining and disappointment. The only 'complaint' I heard was that 21 days is too long and therefore too easy to get and noobs will be running around with it. That's just nonsense - it still takes a lot of time investment for someone with weaker armours to get the plus, and there are 3 stronger f/w (technomancer, forsaken and that malicious thingy from chest), plus this weekend's T10 raid armour. So I really don't see any reason to be precious about it.

Great job Gree!

[Kangaroeland]

Thanks a ton. This is excactly what it needed.

Its a lot more challenging, which isnt a bad thing imo. Might cost a few gems to finish if your armors arent OP or if youre as lazy as i am but still. Best aspect is the removal of the random droprate. That made the heroic mode so aggravating and tiresome.
Also great work on the boss design and stages. First time ive played heroic and actually liked doing so. Not sure if it lasts for 21 days for me, but the time is very appropriate with the difficulty increase.

Keep it up!

Edit--- just noticed the other topic. copy paste to there

[Marco_]

Yep - credit where credit is due. 100% drop rate, extremely good armour (how can anyone complain - it hits 4500/3400 or so with good atk jewels and it's FREE) and the 'epic boss on steroids' theme is awesome!!

For the first time since the first heroic, the Line community hasn't been filled with complaining and disappointment. The only 'complaint' I heard was that 21 days is too long and therefore too easy to get and noobs will be running around with it. That's just nonsense - it still takes a lot of time investment for someone with weaker armours to get the plus,
Well, in fact I kind of expect my alts to have trouble getting even 1 shard per "rest" cycle at the 8th location to get a non-plus, since the better of my 2 alts was already losing 2 whole knights per battle at Relic Ruins.
Both Chaos Vestments non-plus and that spirit/air heroic non-plus (too lazy to look up name) weren't even 1-shotting the earth/air mini bosses at Relic Ruins without a crit...

[Adisty]

The only 'complaint' I heard was that 21 days is too long and therefore too easy to get and noobs will be running around with it.

Maybe noobs with fat wallets :p. Which, if you think about it, noobs with fat wallets could get dragonforged from chests, so a noob getting this armor wouldn't unbalance the game (except for other noobs). Hopefully the complaints don't get so bad, like they did before, and ruin heroic mode again by getting the time cut down to a week.

[VirusknightX]

So far I like the changes. The new lineups in the stages are much more challenging, which actually make heroic mode fun again. As for the armor, I wish they would go back to unique heroic armors, but at least the stats are way better than before.

[roookey1]

I don't want to congratulate Gree on doing a good job, because usually positive feedback makes them turn things to shyte again.

So i'll only say I'm not too disappointed! :rolleyes: ;)

Still, I won't be able to go through Heroic mode anyway, as I can't craft with almost 4,000 high-value armors (too precious to waste, especially in times of extreme armor upgrade costs) filling up all my kiddie-baby-like 170 slots.
So, in an odd way luckily for me, there won't be any temptation to spend gems on Heroic mode. Waiting for the day when this ridiculous limitation of armory will disappear, just as it doesn't exists with rings and amulets, then I'll be in again.

[Valarauko]

OK for me it's been a 100% drop rate, I am OK with the way they balanced the gameplay by making harder bosses but granting a crystal every time.
I am totally OK with the tons of crafting material for Legendary armors.

[Valarauko]

Agreed.

It is the first double strong heroic armor and the stats are almost 200 points higher than the previous best heroic armor.

Sorry if I was not clear on this, for me this is (was) a bit of a let down because vargar is also fusible and with the original 7 day timeframe it is nearly impossible for f2p users to craft the normal version, level up the regular and still have time to craft the (+).
But now that the Drop rate is 100% (let's hope this won't change) and the extended period then Vargar+ is totally worth the time.

[Lord P]

I like what they've done with heroic mode. Two weeks is what I suspect this will end up as. Three weeks, only if they are now servicing the F2P players. Good job so far Gree.

[gardibolt]

I have to say the new Heroic is a good job well done. It's not easy but with the high (if not 100%) drop rate it doesn't make me want to delete the game completely like the old Heroic Mode. I may have to put off retiring after all.

[roookey1]

only if they are now servicing the F2P players.

as if that were a bad thing.

People like you tend to forget that you didn't start paying for your 'wins' from day #1.

If 'free' players (even video watchers generate money for Gree by the way) find the game too frustrating or exploitative, they won't EVER spend a dime but will just move on to other games (many of which offer more than KnD these days : better graphics, better daily rewards, better level up rewards, less bull$hyte and drawing of blanks when playing the tool lottery, team events are more fun etc.). Then the few dozen 'running' (win buying) guilds left can share all the shiny pixels amongst themselves with no one else competing, and Gree will quickly shut down a 'non profitable' game.

[Marco_]

Waiting for the day when this ridiculous limitation of armory will disappear, just as it doesn't exists with rings and amulets, then I'll be in again.
That part about rings and amulets is a baseless statement. Rings and amulets can't be crafted, so we don't know if there's a crafting limit there. ;)

[Marco_]

OK for me it's been a 100% drop rate, I am OK with the way they balanced the gameplay by making harder bosses but granting a crystal every time.
I am totally OK with the tons of crafting material for Legendary armors.
I haven't crafted a legendary in a whole while, since their crafting time is so long for just fusion fodder and the legendary+legendary->epic rate is so low, so crafting some spare EB epic would be a better option for me. I do at times craft the 2* heroic drops overnight if I have space in my armory and need some enhancement fodder.

[Konny]

New heroic mode is great, thanks for listening GREE.

It is a lot harder to kill the final boss but so far they have a 100% drop quota for me. That's exactly what I wanted, challenging but not frustrating. I have 17 maxed 99/99 armors but still need 3 knights for Faerie Forest or Writhing Cascades, it's nice to use all of my armors in different stages.

Vargar Raiment as final reward is great too, as a free player you have Boiling Scaldplate and Shapeshifters. Even normal Vargar is 563 points better than Boiling+.

[Sent]

How on earth is vargar a letdown
Because this is the knd community. Everything is a letdown unless it's a new DF+ that we got for free (although people would still probably complain).


Sorry if I was not clear on this, for me this is (was) a bit of a let down because vargar is also fusible

There's like 15 non-fusible non-heroic/eb epics and you don't deserve to get them if you're going to complain about Vargar+, lol. What should they do, give Ancestor's as the first "revamped heroic mode" reward? And then have you guys complain about how Technomancer is weaker than Ancestor's and that we should start getting DF's as reward? No thanks. Take what you get and wait for the good rewards to come (which I hope never do).

[Lord P]

as if that were a bad thing.

People like you tend to forget that you didn't start paying for your 'wins' from day #1.

If 'free' players (even video watchers generate money for Gree by the way) find the game too frustrating or exploitative, they won't EVER spend a dime but will just move on to other games (many of which offer more than KnD these days : better graphics, better daily rewards, better level up rewards, less bull$hyte and drawing of blanks when playing the tool lottery, team events are more fun etc.). Then the few dozen 'running' (win buying) guilds left can share all the shiny pixels amongst themselves with no one else competing, and Gree will quickly shut down a 'non profitable' game.
Assume much? I'll answer that. Yeah you do. You can't begin to think you know me well enough to speak on my behalf. I did not state anything about f2p players was bad. If you're going to quote me you could at least pretend you know what you're talking about.

[HRDerbySean]

7537

So far so good.

[busteroaf]

I don't want to congratulate Gree on doing a good job, because usually positive feedback makes them turn things to shyte again.

So i'll only say I'm not too disappointed! :rolleyes: ;)

Still, I won't be able to go through Heroic mode anyway, as I can't craft with almost 4,000 high-value armors (too precious to waste, especially in times of extreme armor upgrade costs) filling up all my kiddie-baby-like 170 slots.
So, in an odd way luckily for me, there won't be any temptation to spend gems on Heroic mode. Waiting for the day when this ridiculous limitation of armory will disappear, just as it doesn't exists with rings and amulets, then I'll be in again.

4000 high value armors? Expecting to level 20 armors all at the same time? Seriously, if having that many boosts or armors is an issue, you've got other issues. 3 of the each element combo armors = 45 armors.

I understand wanting to keep armors. I've still got things like Twin Jian armor. Mostly because I haven't gotten a new armor in 2 years, but that is beside the point. If it was a matter of having an Armor Gallery where you can still see all the old armors you had, what would you be left with then, 3900? 3800? And that is simply boosts and misc armors for leveling. You DO NOT NEED that many armors.

Unless you're willing to PAY to store them in some magical space... Gree: Money making idea right here that has been mentioned many times over as well. Just reminding you...

But again, just as you cannot have infinite gold. Your castle space hasn't grown... you do not have space for every suit or armor you want to keep.
"well what about rings and amulets" Have you seen how much space those take up in little jewelry boxes? A hell of a lot less than a suit of armor would.

The games limit you. In what games do you have infinite storage space, or the ability to make new items when your inventory is totally full?
There is no NEED to keep the armors. Just a WANT.

[Marco_]

7537

So far so good.
Congrats. I'll be needing my 3 weeks; only at 4/16 crystals plus 3/8 KoD right now...

[Lord P]

Warning..... Haunted Citadel is harder than the Kingdom of Darkness.

[Marco_]

Warning..... Haunted Citadel is harder than the Kingdom of Darkness.
Ow. And here I am running KoD as 5(RIP and regen)+5 overnight...

[Mos20]

Definitely harder but nowhere near as frustrating! Got my first 8 (one being KoD) and 100% shard drop! I like it! Now onto the next 8.

[no mercyyy]

The amount of bosses have made the new hero mode very good for me.

Know that my stats are average and maybe a tad over that. Got some + 5* and df, no df+ tho. Mostly good 5* cover the whole range of elements.

Cant do kod 5man though. The best part are the bonuses from frends, they accumulate over the 3 weeks frame of the event.

That armor's actually hard to get w/o gems for average players.

[greenwing]

I love this new Heroic. Very hard to do (as it should be) but still doable.

[Ant venom]

I have to admit, for once GREE has done a decent job on their Heroic Mode, with 100% shard drop and 12/16 from crafting the "+" version.

[Mos20]

Damn, Haunted Citadel is full beast mode! This will be harder than KoD for sure. But since it's guaranteed reward, I am up for a challenge

[Marco_]

Ugh, Heroic reminding me that I left my friend list to gather dust for far too long and "as long as there are at least 10 active, good armor friends, I'm fine" doesn't cut it for Heroic... -_-;
(Just removed at least 2 dozen long inactive WBB- code accounts and spamming friend reqs to find enough useful replacement friends for KoD, Haunted Citadel etc... :-| )

[HRDerbySean]

Congrats. I'll be needing my 3 weeks; only at 4/16 crystals plus 3/8 KoD right now...

7540

Another step closer

[Ant venom]

7540

Another step closer

Nice, I guess you're done with Heroic Mode now, I'm currently have 15/16 of crystals, I'll prolly be crafting by tomorrow.

[beartrap]

I stopped playing for a while. Is the new heroic mode worth coming back to?

[Adisty]

I stopped playing for a while. Is the new heroic mode worth coming back to?

IMO, it is. It has more difficult stages, but there's a high, if not 100%, drop rate, not to mention having an extended time period to complete it.

[HRDerbySean]

Nice, I guess you're done with Heroic Mode now, I'm currently have 15/16 of crystals, I'll prolly be crafting by tomorrow.

Not done - on 15/16 as well 4/8 on Haunted Citadel

[Ant venom]

I stopped playing for a while. Is the new heroic mode worth coming back to?
Yes it's worth it, apparently they actually revamped it and made it more interesting and more worth it to do Drop rates are 85-100% and they extended the time period to 3 weeks, that is 3x more than the last Heroic Mode.

[roookey1]

Don't get too excited, they'd most probably just see that as an invitation to 'downcrap' it again... :rolleyes:

Also I think that too many players finishing HM 'in time' will result in a reduction of time for the next HM. It's Gree after all.

[Smiley80]

I like your typical optimism Roookeye1. As usual you are so positive.

I like this.
Real work. Real reward.

I will not complete it but it was fun doing it. 100% drop rate (at least for me so far) eliminates 85% the frustration I had. Made it much harder, but triples the time.

Think this is a great move gree. keep it as is.

[Ant venom]

Just finished crafting my Vargar Raiment +. It was a great move on GREE's part on this HM but as roookey1 said, if too many ppl complete it in time or before, GREE won't be making profit and so they will once again, reduce the droprates and time limit for more profit.

[Adisty]

As much as I would hate to see it happen, I think you and roookey are right ant. Although, I don't see it dropping down to a week like before, I do see them dropping it down to 2 weeks or even 10 days :(

[HRDerbySean]

Just finished crafting my Vargar Raiment +. It was a great move on GREE's part on this HIM but as roookey1 said, if too many ppl complete it in time or before, GREE won't be making profit and so they will once again, reduce the droprates and time limit for more profit.


Congrats brother - I am done as well.7541

[Regretz]

Maybe you guys need a history lesson, back to the first HM. It was easy, and as usual (since everyone on the forums has such a big ego and its just a pissing contest) everyone bragged about how they finished it early and easily. And here you are again, got a revamped HM that you've all been begging for and you're just following your past mistakes. Stop bragging about you completing HM 1-2 weeks early, cuz Gree will change it again and you'll all go from bragging to whining all over again.

[Ant venom]

Maybe you guys need a history lesson, back to the first HM. It was easy, and as usual (since everyone on the forums has such a big ego and its just a pissing contest) everyone bragged about how they finished it early and easily. And here you are again, got a revamped HM that you've all been begging for and you're just following your past mistakes. Stop bragging about you completing HM 1-2 weeks early, cuz Gree will change it again and you'll all go from bragging to whining all over again.
You raise a very good and interesting point especially since in the first HM ppl not only bragged but complained that HM was way too easy and they needed to make it harder.

[Dreamcobra]

I am really liking this Heroic Mode! It's fun, there's new beasts, with new stuff dropping, and I'm actually getting the crystals, instead of grinding 1 level for 3 days just to get 1 bit. The time limit is going to be fair, for most high level people, but the difficulty may be a bit much if you expect anyone under 200 to complete it.

[Smiley80]

the other heroic mode was easy and it was a month, even a rookie could achieve it. Now it is much harder and a fresh lvl 100 probably can not achieve it unless they play 24hrs a day. also the first one some people had over 500 potions. the reward was to big for the effort. Now I think the reward matches the effort, a new lvl 100 can get the basic version, which is still a very good armor.

[Adisty]

...but the difficulty may be a bit much if you expect anyone under 200 to complete it.

IMO, I think that's the point, that new players have a chance at the normal version, and veterans have a chance at getting the plus. Anyone that says that it was too easy this time either spent a ton of gems or have an armor line-up that the plus version doesn't compare to, therefore don't really need it anyway.

[Smiley80]

+1 adisty ;)

[Marco_]

Ugh, I just don't have the time anymore to do Heroic runs about every 2 hours, so I ended up spending gems and potions to get Misty Marsh and Zephyr Plateau done these past 2 days to get the plus crafting just now... So probably about 90 gems and 100+ potions were needed in my case. :-|

[Konny]

Stop bragging about you completing HM 1-2 weeks early, cuz Gree will change it again

Well, I don't think GREE needs the forum to do that. Surely they can just pull statistics right from the game: participation, completion and spending?