Why battle on 4th of July?

[Brendan]

I'm not a Yank but spent most of that war drunk or hungover, (normal weekend). Surely Americans had better things to do than play a phone game as they celebrated Britain generously granting them independence?

[Dipstik]

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[Evan1000]

Very poorly timed war. It really kills me that someone would schedule a battle for the third week in a row on the day we declared our independence from Great Britain, which being the first country to do so calls for celebration once a year, which includes fireworks, Samuel Adams, and now apparently crime city.

[Brendan]

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Dipstik, that word is a form of insult in the country that bequeathed the world the English language. Plus democracy, TV and electricity. Respect the mother country .

[Brendan]

Very poorly timed war. It really kills me that someone would schedule a battle for the third week in a row on the day we declared our independence from Great Britain, which being the first country to do so calls for celebration once a year, which includes fireworks, Samuel Adams, and now apparently crime city.

You declared it, we granted it to you. But more poorly timed rubbish from Gree, Americans need time to cry into their bet at being separated from the mother country. I feel your pain.

[Evan1000]

What mother fights to keep their child home when they have acquired the skills and tools they need to become independent? Isn't that your only job as a parent?

[Evan1000]

You declared it, we granted it to you. But more poorly timed rubbish from Gree, Americans need time to cry into their bet at being separated from the mother country. I feel your pain.

We declared it, you fought us to stay, we kicked your butt ;)

[sister morphine]

We declared it, you fought us to stay, we kicked your butt ;)
I do wonder what would have happened if France and Spain hadn't piled in on the colonies' side, which meant much of Britain's naval strength had to be pulled back.

When you tried invading Canada in 1812 you got your asses kicked, remember :) (and we burnt the White House, lol)

[Brendan]

What mother fights to keep their child home when they have acquired the skills and tools they need to become independent? Isn't that your only job as a parent?


Is that why Mexico are taking back Texas, North Mexico, Arizona and Colorado which you stole from them through your acts of war? Good luck to 'em!

[Brendan]

I do wonder what would have happened if France and Spain hadn't piled in on the colonies' side, which meant much of Britain's naval strength had to be pulled back.

When you tried invading Canada in 1812 you got your asses kicked, remember :) (and we burnt the White House, lol)

Indeed, when Americans talk about 'Freedom Fries' they tend to forget their independence was only achieved through French support. I say 'independence', slavery was abolished in the British Empire 50 years before the USA was forced into it. In fact, the British Royal Navy put a stop to the slave trade, so Americans were prevented from importing humans.

[Ninja☆Smoke]

A meaningful conversation on here? Many slave owners didn't want to pay taxes on slaves and cash crops such as tobacco and sugar. Yes Great Britain did abolish the right for their citizens to own slaves, but looked the other way while their colonies and themselves benefit from free or cheap labor. G.B. didn't care as long as their tax money was collected. We call the process "Outsourcing" today.

[Dipstik]

A meaningful conversation on here?

Only to those who can't tell the difference...

[Red BD]

I do wonder what would have happened if France and Spain hadn't piled in on the colonies' side, which meant much of Britain's naval strength had to be pulled back..

But that happened - guess King Jorge wasn't as popular internationally as y'all thought. Yes, you burned the White House during the war caused by your... What was it called? Basic commandeering our men and ships (piracy????) on the high seas because I guess the King didn't agree with Brendan's assessment of the Revolution. But we won that one as well, for whatever reason you Brits may whine about today.

Not that it matters who "won" or "lost" wars fought 2plus centuries ago, because the fact remains you folks ain't playing Crime City in German thanks to the United States of America.

Now shut up.

[Evan1000]

Wow, you guys are jumping all around here in history. Great Britain didn't allow slaves, they allowed indentured servants, which are the exact same thing.

Yes the French helped us, almost no one fights a war alone. They helped us so it could pave the way for their own revolution.. even though there's didn't go nearly as well as ours. And we helped Great Britain in both worlds wars when we tried to stay out of it. So the French and Spanish helping isn't relevant to the argument, even though without them we probably wouldn't have been able to pull it off

[Evan1000]

Is that why Mexico are taking back Texas, North Mexico, Arizona and Colorado which you stole from them through your acts of war? Good luck to 'em!

Where did this come from? But every country is guilty of selfish acts of war, especially the British empire, who took imperialism to a whole new level.

[Brendan]

Wow, you guys are jumping all around here in history. Great Britain didn't allow slaves, they allowed indentured servants, which are the exact same thing.

'And we helped Great Britain in both worlds wars when we tried to stay out of it.'

Really?! The US joined WW1 late in the day only after they were shown evidence of a German plot to get Mexico to invade Texas. And you had no choice in WW2, Japan attacked you at Pearl Harbour and Germany and Italy then declared war on America. Hard to stay out of that one when you have war declared on you, try as you did.

[sister morphine]

A meaningful conversation on here? Many slave owners didn't want to pay taxes on slaves and cash crops such as tobacco and sugar. Yes Great Britain did abolish the right for their citizens to own slaves, but looked the other way while their colonies and themselves benefit from free or cheap labor. G.B. didn't care as long as their tax money was collected. We call the process "Outsourcing" today.
More to the point is that plantation owners had a lot of leverage in parliament. Getting to the point of abolishing the slave trade in itself was a struggle over many years. It's a source of regret that it took about three more decades until slavery in the empire was abolished, but it's still 20 years before Lincoln did the same during your civil war.

On that, I remember seeing a quote from Lincoln along the lines of if he could have defeated the South without freeing a single slave he would have done so. The Emancipation Proclamation was pure politics to mess with the Confederacy's efforts to build alliances with various European powers. The people of those nations would not have looked kindly upon doing deals with slave owners. So whilst applauding the great man for what he did, don't gloss over the true reason behind it. ;)

[sister morphine]

Yes the French helped us, almost no one fights a war alone. They helped us so it could pave the way for their own revolution.. even though there's didn't go nearly as well as ours. And we helped Great Britain in both worlds wars when we tried to stay out of it. So the French and Spanish helping isn't relevant to the argument, even though without them we probably wouldn't have been able to pull it off
Really? The Ancien Régime helped the Americans in order to pave the way for their own overthrow? Lol.

The truth is they and the Spanish jumped on the bandwagon to try and get revenge for their total humiliation during the Seven Years War (which you guys call the French and Indian War), and to try and recover some of their losses; in the Caribbean, in India, and in Europe when Spain besieged Gibraltar for four years. In all those areas they failed except in retaking Minorca.

[Bad Fish]

This thread need Chuck Norris driving a monster truck with a bunch of half naked chicks drinking Coors Light with Stars & Strips waving in the background & a bald eagle flying around.

That would make it worth reading.

[Max Power]

While Americans are well aware of they help they received from France and Spain during the revolutionary war, they merely accelerated the inevitible. During the colonial era, Britian was fairly overstretched, and America was growing like a weed. Evidenced by the number of British colonies 100 years later, all France and Spain ensured was the date independence was established.

In regards to slavery, while Britons may may to take the high road in aboloshing slavery first, which is great, they didnt have a billion square miles of cotton to pick. Easier to claim the high road when you are not a burgeoning agricultural nation, one full of ex-British slave owners, no less. Besides, its not like colonizing eveybody to exploit their resources is a hell of a lot better than slavery anyway, at least from a moral standpoint.

[TheWarthog]

Oh isn't this cool. A thread on international trash talking where a Brit...who are usually not prone to nationalistic pride, seems to have forgotten that his country fairly well crapped on the whole planet through conquest of peoples who had the technological equivalence of cavemen and who's global influence has diminished by, oh say, 95%...pretty much to the point of being insignificant in the scheme of things... is the main antagonist. Throw in a Canuck who fails to realize that his country has contributed NOT...ONE...SIGNIFICANT....THING to the planet and we have the makings of some great entertainment.

Yes the U.S. entered WW1 a bit late to have a significant impact, but if you deny that the U.S. Put the war on the people who actually attacked her on the back burner to fight your fight for you against the Nazis, you don't know anything about WW2, and don't realize how close you were to being totally destroyed. Barbarossa and the U.S. saved your hide.

Do your little passive aggressive whining. We all know that the colonials...disorganized farmers...meant the end to your mighty empire. You know, the one you built on pretty much defenseless people.

[Max Power]

Oh isn't this cool. A thread on international trash talking where a Brit...who are usually not prone to nationalistic pride, seems to have forgotten that his country fairly well crapped on the whole planet through conquest of peoples who had the technological equivalence of cavemen and who's global influence has diminished by, oh say, 95%...pretty much to the point of being insignificant in the scheme of things... is the main antagonist. Throw in a Canuck who fails to realize that his country has contributed NOT...ONE...SIGNIFICANT....THING to the planet and we have the makings of some great entertainment.

Yes the U.S. entered WW1 a bit late to have a significant impact, but if you deny that the U.S. Put the war on the people who actually attacked her on the back burner to fight your fight for you against the Nazis, you don't know anything about WW2, and don't realize how close you were to being totally destroyed. Barbarossa and the U.S. saved your hide.

Do your little passive aggressive whining. We all know that the colonials...disorganized farmers...meant the end to your mighty empire. You know, the one you built on pretty much defenseless people.

This has raised the bar just a little.....LOL! Mods, do NOT lock this under any circumstances....it's on.....LOL!

Back to the original post, I find it amusing that people who log on to the game hourly and have been doing so for years are whining about having to fight a war over the holiday when this schedule was aided and abetted by your actions all along, and when everybody has the absolute option to sit it out without hitting the whine button.

[Brendan]

This has raised the bar just a little.....LOL! Mods, do NOT lock this under any circumstances....it's on.....LOL!

Back to the original post, I find it amusing that people who log on to the game hourly and have been doing so for years are whining about having to fight a war over the holiday when this schedule was aided and abetted by your actions all along, and when everybody has the absolute option to sit it out without hitting the whine button.

That's my point, it's not a holiday over here and I could hardly be bothered with it as I it covered two nights here. And surely Gree should respect the fact that Americans have better things to do on their National Day than play a phone game.

[Brendan]

Oh isn't this cool. A thread on international trash talking where a Brit...who are usually not prone to nationalistic pride, seems to have forgotten that his country fairly well crapped on the whole planet through conquest of peoples who had the technological equivalence of cavemen and who's global influence has diminished by, oh say, 95%...pretty much to the point of being insignificant in the scheme of things... is the main antagonist. Throw in a Canuck who fails to realize that his country has contributed NOT...ONE...SIGNIFICANT....THING to the planet and we have the makings of some great entertainment.

Yes the U.S. entered WW1 a bit late to have a significant impact, but if you deny that the U.S. Put the war on the people who actually attacked her on the back burner to fight your fight for you against the Nazis, you don't know anything about WW2, and don't realize how close you were to being totally destroyed. Barbarossa and the U.S. saved your hide.

Do your little passive aggressive whining. We all know that the colonials...disorganized farmers...meant the end to your mighty empire. You know, the one you built on pretty much defenseless people.


@Warthog, what bit of Germany and Italy declaring war on the United States did you miss? You weren't helping us out, Britain was one of the few European countries not occupied. The Soviet Union would eventually have broken through and destroyed the Nazis, and then turned western Europe communist as well. Then who would you have been been able to trade with then, apart from a still free Britain?

[sister morphine]

@Warthog, what bit of Germany and Italy declaring war on the United States did you miss? You weren't helping us out, Britain was one of the few European countries not occupied. The Soviet Union would eventually have broken through and destroyed the Nazis, and then turned western Europe communist as well. Then who would you have been been able to trade with then, apart from a still free Britain?
He seems also to have forgotten that German U-Boats were attacking merchant shipping in and around American waters before Pearl Harbour happened. It was a joint allied decision that Germany was the more dangerous enemy and needed to be defeated first.

As for Barbarossa, yes Hitler attacking Russia was the most stupid thing he did out of many stupid things, but no the theatres in which Britain and her allies were engaged were far more strategically important. Keeping hold of the Mediterranean and North Africa stopped the Germans seizing the oil fields in the Middle East. The Battle of the Atlantic was far more than just securing our own supply lines. The Germans had already admitted defeat in their attempt to launch an invasion of the British Isles when they moved their forces to the east.

[Evan1000]

Really?! The US joined WW1 late in the day only after they were shown evidence of a German plot to get Mexico to invade Texas. And you had no choice in WW2, Japan attacked you at Pearl Harbour and Germany and Italy then declared war on America. Hard to stay out of that one when you have war declared on you, try as you did.

Alright, maybe not WW1, we were a joke when we first entered, but I recall Hitler at your doorstep when the U.S first entered WW2. And we were funding you guys far beforehand, to the point where we were just giving you free weapons because we became economically dependent on you guys winning the war.

[Evan1000]

@Warthog, what bit of Germany and Italy declaring war on the United States did you miss? You weren't helping us out, Britain was one of the few European countries not occupied. The Soviet Union would eventually have broken through and destroyed the Nazis, and then turned western Europe communist as well. Then who would you have been been able to trade with then, apart from a still free Britain?

You need a lesson in history. You may have won the Battle of Britain, after Hitler had conquered a good chunk of Europe, but they put your whole county to smithereens. Your were almost done when we entered the war. And the last thing you wanted was the Soviet union to turn all of Europe communist, same for us.

We also funded you guys before we entered the war. Through the cash and carry act and the lend-lease act. Look em up.

This thread is getting interesting :p

[Evan1000]

On that, I remember seeing a quote from Lincoln along the lines of if he could have defeated the South without freeing a single slave he would have done so. The Emancipation Proclamation was pure politics to mess with the Confederacy's efforts to build alliances with various European powers. The people of those nations would not have looked kindly upon doing deals with slave owners. So whilst applauding the great man for what he did, don't gloss over the true reason behind it. ;)

No? No one wanted a civil war. Especially Lincoln. All Lincoln wanted was to free slaves. The whole republican party (as stupid as I find parties) were all based on the motive of freeing slavery and ending the conflict between slave and free states, which ultimately ended in a civil war.

Also, look up indentured servants, they are the same as slaves and Great Britain would advertise being one to gain free entry into the new world

[TheWarthog]

You guys have done yourselves no real favors in your responses.

1.
@Warthog, what bit of Germany and Italy declaring war on the United States did you miss?
Declaring war from 5k miles away with a war already raging on 2 fronts posed ZERO immediate threat to the US. GB, on the other hand, would have already been occupied were it not for the buildup for what would become the colossal blunder of Barbarossa.

2.
You weren't helping us out, Britain was one of the few European countries not occupied. The Soviet Union would eventually have broken through and destroyed the Nazis, and then turned western Europe communist as well. Then who would you have been able to trade with then, apart from a still free Britain?

You really think that, with as much damage as the Battle for Brittan caused, that if Hitler would have focuses the 3.8 million people, the additional 2700 aircraft and all of the artillery that he committed to the Russian front to Brittan, that he wouldn't have steamrolled your Island? Methinks you think too much of yourself considering the British "victory" killed a lot of civilians, ended in no offense against Germany and included no real sea or land invasion by Germany is a hollow victory at best. You swatted a few flies and think you accomplished something. Nice work.

The answer to your final question is...of course...no one. So the US saved your hide from the Nazis, THEN the Soviets. A simple "thank you" would suffice.

3.
He seems also to have forgotten that German U-Boats were attacking merchant shipping in and around American waters before Pearl Harbour happened. It was a joint allied decision that Germany was the more dangerous enemy and needed to be defeated first.

Nope, didn't forget. But militarily, "merchant ship" attacks (which were in all honestly not merchant ships at all, but supplies delivered to European and Soviet defenders who seemed pretty incompetent against the German assault and machinery), isn’t as immediate as a threat against land and sea targets in the Pacific. Still, the US put Japan on the back burner to bail Europe out. As for your second sentence, EXACTLY. You succinctly destroyed Brendan's whole argument. As much as he would like to think GB had a handle on the Nazis, Churchill knew full well that they did not. Who do you think was the driving force behind the decision to start in Europe? Why do you think that is? Well....because
Germany was the more dangerous enemy and needed to be defeated first, and then, because of Barbarossa
The Soviet Union would eventually have broken through and destroyed the Nazis, and then turned western Europe communist as well. Then who would you have been been able to trade with then, apart from a still free Britain?

I just love it when people think that they are allied in an argument and prove each other wrong.


4. This was kinda scattered, but I'll try to decipher.
As for Barbarossa, yes Hitler attacking Russia was the most stupid thing he did out of many stupid things, but no the theatres in which Britain and her allies were engaged were far more strategically important. Keeping hold of the Mediterranean and North Africa stopped the Germans seizing the oil fields in the Middle East. The Battle of the Atlantic was far more than just securing our own supply lines. The Germans had already admitted defeat in their attempt to launch an invasion of the British Isles when they moved their forces to the east.

The Germans admitted defeat, yes, in a limited engagement with air power only. Had the resources committed to the build up to the invasion of Russia been applied to Brittan, her fate would have been no better than France's. The commander of the US forces didn't make the same mistake at D-day.

Why do you think an American was made the Supreme Commander of allied forces in Europe at D-day even though we were relative newbies in the war? Why do you think that the Germans thought that the invasion was going to take place at Pas de Calais rather than Normandy (hint, it wasn't because they feared "Monty" or...I'd name a Canadian general if I could think of even one who stood out. But I can't. Wonder why?).

You think maybe its because the US was indispensible in winning the war and saving your cute lil' island? Yeah you do. Just say it.

[Max Power]

You need a lesson in history.

Sure. Let us know when you start shaving. Easy on the tone junior.

Back to the OP, the best day in Churchill's life was when 'Dolph foolishly declared war on the states, and anyone who thinks the States only got involved on December 7th 1941 apparently has little clue where their weapons and supplies came from.

[Evan1000]

Easy on the tone junior.

Haha sorry. But the whole argument of they didn't need our help in WW2 called for that. And if anything I'm perfect for this argument because all of this is fresh in my head. You guys had years to forget all about what your learned in history class.

TheWarthog summed it up nicely.

[Dipstik]

I see that the chapter on the civil war is a couple months old, however...

[Jcw9811]

Haha sorry. But the whole argument of they didn't need our help in WW2 called for that. And if anything I'm perfect for this argument because all of this is fresh in my head. You guys had years to forget all about what your learned in history class.

TheWarthog summed it up nicely.

Too bad in school u get at best10% of what actually happened. It's all watered down bull

[Evan1000]

Too bad in school u get at best10% of what actually happened. It's all watered down bull

I'm sure it is, in the textbooks at least. But teachers usually cover all the bases. I just took a class on U.S history and it was basically a class of U.S screw ups.

Every country falls guilty to that though. The U.S isn't the only one, and we're still technically one of the newer countries that doesn't have as much bad history as everyone else.

[Brendan]

Haha sorry. But the whole argument of they didn't need our help in WW2 called for that. And if anything I'm perfect for this argument because all of this is fresh in my head. You guys had years to forget all about what your learned in history class.

TheWarthog summed it up nicely.


I don't think anyone said we didn't need America's help. But Britain was far from being in its knees in 1941. We had beaten off the threat of invasion and our bombers were causing far more damage to Germany than they could throw at us. The Royal Navy still controlled the Mediterranean and we were busily kicking the Germans and Italians out of North Africa.

As for lend lease and the weapons provided by the US, thanks. One thing you neglect to mention is that Britain were paying you for those weapons and materiel, even after you joined the war. And the loan was so large it was paid back only a few years ago.The war was a massive earner for the arms industry in the US, some of which was used to rebuild Germany and Japan afterwards.

As someone who reads a lot of books on the war, and doesn't pick up my history from Hollywood films, my mind is constantly refreshed.

[TheWarthog]

But Britain was far from being in its knees in 1941.

Yep. And every abused soul tends to minimize their abuse.

[Evan1000]

Well of course, economy booms during war. Don't forget the great depression was right before this and we needed the money. We made you pay with cash at first so the Germans couldn't prove we were selling weapons, even though everyone knew, but after the Battle of Britain you kind of were on your knees and we basically just gave you weapons (leased) since we needed you to win. Germans didn't want us to enter the war, they knew we'd turn the tide (which we did). They may have declared war on us, but that's because they knew we'd be fighting Japan, and it was proved Germany had something to do with Pearl Harbor. They wanted us distracted and planned the bombing of a U.S naval base with Japan.

But we can all agree that if Hitler didn't make the same mistake Napoleon did and attack Russia they would have probably won the war, since the Soviet Union was smart and tried to stay out of Hitler's way.

[Vile Lynn]

TLDR, IBTL

None of that matters now. We can beat all of you at soccer! ;)

[Dipstik]

I'm getting bored here, guys... Everyone knows that the US pretty much owns Britain, but you've got to CONVINCE THEM! Their soccer team lost the world cup finals by kicking the ball into their own goal! Don't let up on them!

*munches popcorn*

[Brendan]

But we can all agree that if Hitler didn't make the same mistake Napoleon did and attack Russia they would have probably won the war, since the Soviet Union was smart and tried to stay out of Hitler's way.[/QUOTE]


Yep, agree with you there, any invasion, even with the US, would have been virtually impossible. Lucky he was dumb as well as evil.

[Brendan]

TLDR, IBTL

None of that matters now. We can beat all of you at soccer! ;)


Only women's 'soccer'.

[Dipstik]

Only women's 'soccer'.

See how sexist brits are?

[Vile Lynn]

Ah yes, but he still called it 'soccer.'

[Brendan]

Ah yes, but he still called it 'soccer.'

I was being sarcastic. Obviously a game where people use their feet to kick a ball around should be referred to as soccer by Americans, while a game in which a ball is carried or thrown is football!

[Dipstik]

I was being sarcastic. Obviously a game where people use their feet to kick a ball around should be referred to as soccer by Americans, while a game in which a ball is carried or thrown is football!

The brits invented the term "soccer." You should look up its origin sometime.

[Vile Lynn]

I was being sarcastic. Obviously a game where people use their feet to kick a ball around should be referred to as soccer by Americans, while a game in which a ball is carried or thrown is football!

Then why don't you call it "Feetball"?

[TheWarthog]

Don't reintroduce logic to the discussion Lynn. Nor facts Dippy. That'll only confuse things.

[Max Power]

LOL! Brits and their "soccer" gripes.

Anyhoo, on the weapons thing, since the yanks shut down a lot of their factories for you to make the weapons, I think it only fair that we get a little coming back.

[TMI]

There is a difference between government and people
Wars are started by the elite of this world to secure more and more resources and power. We are not worthy of life to them. That's why they send our children to wars.
You think you murder other humans for good?! LMAO, you murder them for the interests of the banksters and other elite.

"Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy." - Henry Kissinger

We should follow the Non-Aggression Principle, that it is morally wrong the threaten the initiation of force or violence against peaceful people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GazZBvHhgQ Take 8 minutes to wake the eff up.

And if you have 30 minutes to REALLY wake the eff up,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGk5ioEXlIM

Slavery still exists in this world. It is all over. It has taken a different form.
We are all slaves. The entire world is in fiat currency.
Every time the Federal Reserve (A private company composed of banksters) prints money, they diminish the value of your currently owned money, be it in a bank, or under your mattress. This is true for all the fiat currencies around the world.

But no worries, fight and argue over who's slave master is stronger, or better, or who's slave master saved who's slave master.

Wait, I'm sure Ceasar has games in the Colosseum tonight. That's right, it's shark week, yeah!!

[Red BD]

That's my point, it's not a holiday over here and I could hardly be bothered with it as I it covered two nights here. And surely Gree should respect the fact that Americans have better things to do on their National Day than play a phone game.
While I suspect and hope someone has pointed this out:
If it ain't no Holiday there in Jolly olde England, why do you care?????? Skip it. Free choice. Sort of the original idea behind the Revolution.
What is the problem here?

[Vile Lynn]

What is the problem here?

Some Brits are still pissed about it.

[Jcw9811]

Some Brits are still pissed about it.

It's been 239 years get over it

[Red BD]

I don't think anyone said we didn't need America's help. But Britain was far from being in its knees in 1941. We had beaten off the threat of invasion and our bombers were causing far more damage to Germany than they could throw at us. The Royal Navy still controlled the Mediterranean and we were busily kicking the Germans and Italians out of North Africa.

As someone who reads a lot of books on the war, and doesn't pick up my history from Hollywood films, my mind is constantly refreshed.

My Good Man (ahem snort sniff loudly). Tea, shall we? No, than...
So, should I understand your honest position correctly, you are suggesting that the active (dying) intervention of America in the European theater (which was not in any way made necessary by various declarations of war or attacks upon The U.S. ) was essentially irrelevant; that 100s of thousands of Americans died in that theater unnecessarily. That y'all would have been just nifty and free farting today had no Yanks joined the RAF, or bled until dead on the battlefields you guys created since the First World War.
FINE by me, if that's your position.
If you cannot thank us for the blood, shut up before we change our minds, Cousin.

[1Shot]

I feel this thread has good spirit, so I will keep it open and move it to off topic.

[Dipstik]

Real discussions get closed, 4chan "us v. Britain" troll threads have "good spirit." I'll figure the pattern out eventually, I swear...

[Red BD]

Real discussions get closed, 4chan "us v. Britain" troll threads have "good spirit." I'll figure the pattern out eventually, I swear...

Think it may begin with an 'X' from the heart, but IMHO, was a fair call overall.

[Dipstik]

Oh of course THIS thread shouldn't be closed... but neither should so many other ones that aren't obvious troll threads. I honestly didn't think this one was even worth posting in at first because no one could possibly fall for it.

[Red BD]

Oh of course THIS thread shouldn't be closed... but neither should so many other ones that aren't obvious troll threads. I honestly didn't think this one was even worth posting in at first because no one could possibly fall for it.

Can't speak for all, but never estimate my stupidity, or gullibility or et cetera.

[sister morphine]

The brits invented the term "soccer." You should look up its origin sometime.
"Soccer" is just shorthand for association football. But given that it is the form of the game where the ball is controlled exclusively with the feet, it's also a given that should be known as football.

American football, like Aussie rules and others are just bastardised forms of rugby football; invented at a posh school by a cheat who picked up the ball and ran with it! ;) You can all look up the history of football if so inclined.

[Dipstik]

I've forgotten more about football than you'll ever know, sister.

[sister morphine]

I've forgotten more about football than you'll ever know, sister.
Would that be football or "football" :)

[Red BD]

"Soccer" is just shorthand for association football. But given that it is the form of the game where the ball is controlled exclusively with the feet, it's also a given that should be known as football.

American football, like Aussie rules and others are just bastardised forms of rugby football; invented at a posh school by a cheat who picked up the ball and ran with it! ;) You can all look up the history of football if so inclined.

In America, Football (NFL variety) is the only universally American created sport where the feet play a role with the "ball." Not baseball... Not basketball ... So it makes perfect sense to call it football for us.

We don't really care what the English/Europeans/et cetera feel it should be called. See, we're Americans, and while you were harrumphing about the Sun Never Setting on the British Empire, we pretty much stole it from you culturally, and if you wish to revel on about all the problems you guys created while sundown never came, we'll go right ahead.

Thanks for your input.

[Dipstik]

Brits are just jealous because they know they've already lost the battle over "football" in the English speaking world. The NFL isn't going to change the name of its game, ESPN isn't going to confuse people by calling both games "football," and ESPN knows which side its bread is buttered on. Fight as long as you like, but it's "soccer."

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[Evan1000]

I'm not a fan of sports, but I'll watch a game of baseketball any day

[Dipstik]

Great insight, evan. You've managed to go off topic in a troll thread.

[Brendan]

Brits are just jealous because they know they've already lost the battle over "football" in the English speaking world. The NFL isn't going to change the name of its game, ESPN isn't going to confuse people by calling both games "football," and ESPN knows which side its bread is buttered on. Fight as long as you like, but it's "soccer."

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How have we lost the battle in the English speaking world? Only in North America is NFL called football. In the UK 'soccer' is football, New Zealand it's rugby union and Australia it depends what part of the country you live (Aussie Rules or Rugby League). Even Ireland have their own version, Gaelic football. You've a very poor idea about the world outside your own insular world.

[Dipstik]

Just wait... you'll see.

[Brendan]

Just wait... you'll see.


Lol, you're trying to import your throwball junk into England, just 'cos a couple of games sell out at Wembley Stadium, doesn't mean your daft game is catching on over here. Even Miley Cyrus can sell out Wembley! We'll see the NFL expansionist experiment crash and burn if they think it's going to catch on over here.

[Dipstik]

I'm not talking about the nfl going global, I'm talking about the fact that the U.S. dominates the television. In the long term, soccer is going to be the name of the game. Get used to it.

[Red BD]

How have we lost the battle in the English speaking world? Only in North America is NFL called football. In the UK 'soccer' is football, New Zealand it's rugby union and Australia it depends what part of the country you live (Aussie Rules or Rugby League). Even Ireland have their own version, Gaelic football. You've a very poor idea about the world outside your own insular world.

I could be wrong here, but since I really could care less about it, I'll go ahead and say, Brendy Old Boy, I'm suspecting that the good old US of A has more English speaking people in it than Great Britain, Australia and New Zealand (where I guess soccer is the big deal). Now Canada (our friends to the North- those Canucleheads) have something called Canadian Football, which I believe IS what I would call Football and you might see as just another blot against the Empire.

Like I said, I don't care. Talley Ho!!!!!!!!!