Another Chest.. Another Event DFA..

[Wil Patterson]

What in the world is the thought process here?

You've already seen the outrage of using an event DFA in the chest.. But no one complained when you put in sharpwing or whatever that was called even though it was stronger.. PEPOPLE DON'T LIKE THEIR STUFF BEING GIVEN AWAY.

Now you're doing it again with Golithic?

You have an office in the heart of Silicon Valley and this is the best you can come up with?

-RA Prince/Bunny

[Kangaroeland]

Get a grip gree

Stop this ****. Relic please voice our concerns to the dev team. This is so bad. Never should event gear be in chest (or imo fusable).

[Relic]

Get a grip gree

Stop this ****. Relic please voice our concerns to the dev team. This is so bad. Never should event gear be in chest (or imo fusable).

Consider it done!

[Kangaroeland]

Sorry for the initial "****" but this grieves a lot of players. They spent 1000s and someone can get it weeks layer for 25? Youre killing your own game. If theres nothing to aim for but chests people will find something else. Excluvity drives t10

[Relic]

Sorry for the initial "****" but this grieves a lot of players. They spent 1000s and someone can get it weeks layer for 25? Youre killing your own game. If theres nothing to aim for but chests people will find something else. Excluvity drives t10

It's alright, that's what the swear filter is for, and as long as a post isn't mostly asterisks we don't mind it occasionally. ;)

[SBBL Indigo]

Couldn't believe my eyes when I saw it after the outrage it caused. There's no issue with DFA being in chests - it levels the playing field yes but there's absolutely no need for such recent t10 armours to be in the chests. Person above nailed it when they said exclusivity drives t10.

I still get irritated when I see rev robes on noobs and that was from forever ago lol. Can't imagine how vexed ppl who pushed for golithic are. In fact it doesn't level the playing field much because dfa are horrendous to max - noobs have no hope, especially with fba being taken out of the chest.

Seriously Gree, listen to your players for once please.

[Wil Patterson]

Credit to FDP Welsh, but had to share ��

Meanwhile at GREE HQ:

CEO: So guys we have a problem.. Our designer for the armours got absolutely wasted last night and forgot to design a Chest Armour.

Bill: Damn that Armour Design Guy!! What an a**!!!

CEO: Bill... You're the Armour Design Guy..

Bill: oh yeah... My bad guys..

CEO: Soooo, we need a new armour to put in this chest and quick, any ideas?

Bob: how about we just put another Raid DFA in the chest?

CEO: Wow Bob, not a bad idea... But won't people complain?

BOB: yeah... But like that's ever stopped us before haha

CEO: Bob... You are the new Bill, nice work

[Wil Patterson]

Consider it done!

Much appreciated :)

[The Calling]

This def makes some people reconsider pushing for raids. I can only imagine the outrage when, mind I did not say if, but when they release a war DF in a chest.

[Ant venom]

This def makes some people reconsider pushing for raids. I can only imagine the outrage when, mind I did not say if, but when they release a war DF in a chest.

Yep, I think what people will think from now on before pushing for Raids would be "Would GREE release it in the Limited Time Chests in 2-4 weeks time?" and some might not even push knowing that soon (soon being 2-4 weeks or so) the DF Armor will just pop up in the Chests for 25 gems.

[roookey1]

To be fair, trying to get a DF out of a chest may just as well cost you 5,000 gems ... and still leave you empty-handed.

[Ant venom]

To be fair, trying to get a DF out of a chest may just as well cost you 5,000 gems ... and still leave you empty-handed.

But I know a few people who just used 25 gems to get the DF from the Chest. I think that list includes you right? But I agree with the above statement.

[Kangaroeland]

No it doesnt rookeye1, this chest rains DF. Especially the raid one

[Mammakat]

I can't see what the problem is? I'm sure that before Dragonforged came out there were raid and war epics and everyone who didn't achieve them gained them through chests and combining. So I don't see what everyone is complaining about. The more competitive the game the more fun. I'm sure all of you with these event dragonforged would start getting bored winning constantly in the arena and everywhere else if some didn't have the same strength. My point is its the fun of the fight instead of constantly fighting those that are wearing minimal armors that are weak. Thats what kills the game, not creating a strong verse weak scenario.

[Kangaroeland]

Nope youre wrong. Not in chest and only recently by combining. And never so quick after the event. Again if you dont read the topic i understand why you dont get the problem. Its definitely not the stats. Just that gree have fired their armour designer and this is the solution (wild guess).

[SBBL Indigo]

Nope youre wrong. Not in chest and only recently by combining. And never so quick after the event. Again if you dont read the topic i understand why you dont get the problem. Its definitely not the stats. Just that gree have fired their armour designer and this is the solution (wild guess).

Nail on the head again. As someone said earlier in the thread, they released the Sharpwing DFA, stronger than Avian, and nobody complained because it was a chest-exclusive armour.

It was the fact that it was such a recent event armour - completely and absolutely unnecessary and a surefire way to piss people off.

My guildie Leo asks can you refund him the 48 hours of his life he spent pushing for this raid armour. He accepts Line stickers and basic air armours (lots of) as payment :D

[VirusknightX]

You do realize when you win these reward armors you don't gain the rights to them right? Gree can release them in other ways whenever they want, and from what I have seen, people are still going to gem, and gem hard.

[Lord P]

You do realize when you win these reward armors you don't gain the rights to them right? Gree can release them in other ways whenever they want, and from what I have seen, people are still going to gem, and gem hard.
Unfortunately I agree with you. Gree doesn't care about what past winners of T1 and T10 armors think about their prizes. Gree has made it clear that nothing is going to change on this. I reported the first time this happened. There was negative responses here and also all over the Gree K&D Facebook account. They responded, gave their perspective on why this was acceptable and kept it moving.

I'll repeat my sentiments as expressed in the last thread....... Gree doesn't care about our sentimental attachment to armors. They are going to include them in Chests as they see fit. Nothing is sacred in this game. Get used to it.

If I felt the same was as others about the exclusivity of armors, I would stop giving them my money on weekend events.

T1 used to be special because of the plus...... not any longer.

T1/T10 used to be special because weekend events were the only way you could get them for many months before they were released through other types of events..... not any longer.

Times have changed.

Complaining didn't change the exclusivity of T1 and it won't change anything here either..............

Gree has made changes so we as players will have to make changes also. Simple as that.

[Wil Patterson]

Unfortunately I agree with you. Gree doesn't care about what past winners of T1 and T10 armors think about their prizes. Gree has made it clear that nothing is going to change on this. I reported the first time this happened. There was negative responses here and also all over the Gree K&D Facebook account. They responded, gave their perspective on why this was acceptable and kept it moving.

I'll repeat my sentiments as expressed in the last thread....... Gree doesn't care about our sentimental attachment to armors. They are going to include them in Chests as they see fit. Nothing is sacred in this game. Get used to it.

If I felt the same was as others about the exclusivity of armors, I would stop giving them my money on weekend events.

T1 used to be special because of the plus...... not any longer.

T1/T10 used to be special because weekend events were the only way you could get them for many months before they were released through other types of events..... not any longer.

Times have changed.

Complaining didn't change the exclusivity of T1 and it won't change anything here either..............

Gree has made changes so we as players will have to make changes also. Simple as that.

You're missing the point.. We don't want to change when we can whine and complain on the forums ;). And its not that outrageous for them to substitute a different armor instead of the event armors. The T3 thing does make sense if you look at the scores recently.. It's just rather upsetting to T1 players in RA and whatever Android alliances hold it. This doesn't make sense, especially if you look at the fact that they released Sharpwing, which is stronger than avian, and not a soul complained..

[Regretz]

Well said Lord P. Pretty much, Gree can and will do as they please. Things are changing, the game is evolving. People need to realize this... it's just a game. You shouldn't have a sentimental attachment to an armor, that's just weird. Since the start of wars the reward armors were always exclusive to the t10 runners... can't expect it to stay that way forever, with everything else changing.

It's not all bad, if you look at it in the long run. For those of you that regularly run t10, you know you won't stop even though you threaten to. From what I've seen, the egos here are too big to stop. When you run t10, though, you are GUARANTEED the armor through the event. Chests, however, are a HUGE gamble. I would much rather do a top run for a df I really want, rather than blow through thousands of gems to try and get it in a chest.

People complained the first time (Avian Aegis), but the previous raid scores has shown that the top runners will continue to gem hard. To be honest, I think this is a brilliant business move by Gree. Lower the gems for chests, and include t10 df in them!? Their gem sales must be through the roof! Think for a second... you can only have 400 people pay for the t10 in an event... but you offer that armor in a chest, tens of thousands of people have access to it, and the gems they buy fsr outweigh the 400 t10 runners. Brilliant Gree, I commend you.

I, for one, am all for this. It's an awesome idea, and once you t10 runners see it from a more wholistic point of view and get over the sentimental attachments you have, you might accept this change as well. Threaten as you may, but we all know you won't stop buying gems and running in every event. One more thing to remember... this game is run by Gree, not the players. I don't understand why a select few think they are entitled to so much, and try to direct the course of the game. Realistically, they can do whatever they please. So please, I know we are all grown adults here, stop the complaining... its quite unbecoming.

[Lord P]

You shouldn't have a sentimental attachment to an armor, that's just weird.
I disagree with this statement. People are entitled to feel however they want to feel about armor...... just like anything else.

Gree gave people good reason to feel this way for a long time.

What I find interesting is how a person can feel such a way and do nothing about it....... that's the thing that has me watching this.

[Regretz]

Ok so many people have a sentimental attachment to pixels, thats fine. To everyone their own, I could just never see myself being like that. Anyhow, even if they feel that way, why do they get so upset when other people have a chance to obtain it? That's just greediness and them being self-centered. You got the armor you are "attached" to, but others can't have it? I completely disagree with that selfish mindset.

Looking at it from a business perspective, Gree is making a killing by offering those armors in chests and I hope they continue to do so. Let's crunch some numbers, shall we?

So between the 2 platforms (Android and IOS), there are 20 guilds that get the t10 armor, which is 800 people max. So they have 800 people, tops, paying top dollar for that armor. When that armor is offered in this new chest, however, look at the way its advertised. Highest chance for a dragonforged at a reduced gem cost, along with event armors being in them! This caters to the masses, which is where the real money is at. We all know the amount of chests opened must have skyrocketed, which in turn means more of the people that dont have access to t10 runs bought more gems. This number is in the tens of thousands, quite possibly over a hundred thousand.

So, cater to the selfish 800 people that want the armor all for themselves, or cater to the masses that will generate them an exponentially larger amount of money. Lets face it, no matter how much the 800 t10 runners spend, its nothing compared to the masses.

There is still an advantage to running t10, which is why no matter how much people complain and threaten to stop running for t10 we all know they wont. Running for t10 to get the armor gives you 2 significant advantages.
1) You get the armor weeks before it's available to the masses. Think of it as a special sneak preview of things to come.
2) You have a guarantee to get the armor, instead of leaving it up to Lady Luck like the chest buyers. I mean, Lady Luck isn't exactly the kindest. Some people spend thousands upon thousands of gems to get shafted by the chests, so to speak. So running for the armor in the event gets it cheaper than most, except the extremely lucky few.

Business wise, this is probably the smartest decision they have made in a while. Also, the balance of power has always been an issue in this game. This balances out that issue. Seems like a win-win if you look at it wholistically, and not just see your own personal gain. Accept change, I for one welcome this change and look forward to the future of KnD. Well done Gree!

[Marco_]

Ok so many people have a sentimental attachment to pixels, thats fine. To everyone their own, I could just never see myself being like that. Anyhow, even if they feel that way, why do they get so upset when other people have a chance to obtain it? That's just greediness and them being self-centered. You got the armor you are "attached" to, but others can't have it? I completely disagree with that selfish mindset.
There are plenty of people buying limited edition physical items (at a premium price) and those war/raid players expected those armors to be similar.



So between the 2 platforms (Android and IOS), there are 20 guilds that get the t10 armor, which is 800 people max. So they have 800 people, tops, paying top dollar for that armor. When that armor is offered in this new chest, however, look at the way its advertised. Highest chance for a dragonforged at a reduced gem cost, along with event armors being in them! This caters to the masses, which is where the real money is at. We all know the amount of chests opened must have skyrocketed, which in turn means more of the people that dont have access to t10 runs bought more gems. This number is in the tens of thousands, quite possibly over a hundred thousand.

So, cater to the selfish 800 people that want the armor all for themselves, or cater to the masses that will generate them an exponentially larger amount of money. Lets face it, no matter how much the 800 t10 runners spend, its nothing compared to the masses.

I'm starting to doubt that. On android, war/raid participation seems to be about 50k players and based on epic boss, I kind of doubt more than 70-80k accounts log in at least once a week, so every war/raid at least 0.5% of the Android playerbase gets a dragonforged from war/raid; factor in that plenty of people rotate through the guilds going top 10 and you already have a few percent of the playerbase as "t10 runners".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-to-play#cite_note-27 references a company finding that 50% of the income of a bunch of freemium games came from just 0.15% of the players.

[Sirlionhearth]

Hey,

I agree, I'm not a big spender myself but I can definetely imagine the top guild being quite pissed for having their hard earned armor put into a 25 gems chest.

Furthermore, this might not be directly related to the first post but while we're on the chest topic. :)

Does anyone know if there will be guaranteed rewards from opening 52 chests again?
And if so, any timeframes available?
Was saving up my gems to try one of these (hoping for a guaranteed DFA, but I'll keep dreaming).

Maybe Relic could shine some light on the matter, I´ve seen a lot of questions about this on the K&D facebook page as well.

Grtz,
Sirlionhearth

[Marco_]

I wonder if the re-use of armors is a sign of them cutting back on the "creative" staff...
For the arena quests they seem to have switched from a new quest name and 3 quest mini-stories each week to pulling 3 quests from a pool of fixed names and fixed mini-stories. ("Win Streak Skirmish" name/story was also used last week, "Arena Assault" name/story 2 weeks ago)

Since epic boss doesn't bring in the big profits either, I wonder if we'll soon see recolors of old bosses and armors there... (or recycling of raid bosses as epic bosses?)

[Regretz]

I think you may be right Marco, a lot of things have been hinting towards what you're saying. Another example is heroic mode, they are reusing armors instead of coming up with new armors for heroic. Will be interesting to see how this plays out, but I agree completely with you.

[roookey1]

It may also be a sign that they are already planning to terminate the game - they try to squeeze out a few more hundred thousand bucks by recycling existing stuff, repainting and re-selling it, then the guillotine falls, and all you guys' investments are turning into warm air.

Personally I think management has lost control over the game, and a few dozens of thousands of players having given up during the last months and thousands of bad ratings of Google Play accumulated over the last year alone are not an easy task to fix. This would require a few very clever moves and ideas, but I'd be stunned if something like that would happen. It's pretty obvious by now that they just don't have the resources for that - neither in terms of manpower nor in terms of long-term planning.

[Kangaroeland]

It feels like they are aiming to kill it off indeed. weird because war spending and scores are on an all time high and i felt like they had things like everyone wanted (some flaws here amd there).

- Good rewards for raids and wars
- Excellent war/blitz milestones
- Fun eb event with good reward
- Decent chest DF who enable people to keep up with the t10 runners
- Good heroic (firestorm)
- Good schedule (apart from the 3 day wars which should be 2day)


And they ruin it all by
- not doing a heroic
- switching rewards every event
- not only making old war and raid epics fusable but putting the recent event DF in chest
- no sales at all
- no decent rewards for t100 ( just throw in epics like blaze mael etc. For fusion)
- not designing new epics.

[Marco_]

Personally I think management has lost control over the game,
Hmm, I think it's more the opposite: management taking over control from the people that actually know and love the game and just going
"profit = income - expenses, so let's cut expenses to increase profit".

I guess for future reference one should use a rule of thumb something like: if you are thinking of starting to play a new game and you see more than 1 other game listed for the same "developer" in the Google/Apple stores, expect that at some point clueless management ruins the game in the persuit of higher profits, since each game is just a profit tool for management to which they have zero sentimental attachment...

[roookey1]

Valid points, Marco! Yeah, I think you may well be right with your take on the situation.

Anyhow, makes one think if it is wise to continue investing in the game, as we seem to get closer to the abyss by the week.

[Fossil]

Couldn't believe my eyes when I saw it after the outrage it caused. There's no issue with DFA being in chests - it levels the playing field yes but there's absolutely no need for such recent t10 armours to be in the chests. Person above nailed it when they said exclusivity drives t10.

I still get irritated when I see rev robes on noobs and that was from forever ago lol. Can't imagine how vexed ppl who pushed for golithic are. In fact it doesn't level the playing field much because dfa are horrendous to max - noobs have no hope, especially with fba being taken out of the chest.

Seriously Gree, listen to your players for once please.

I can't speak for others, but "exclusivity" was never the basis for any T10 run for me. My luck with chests is pathetic so 99% of my good armors were gained by either 5K gem events or T10 runs. To me it is a way of gaining armor and nothing more. I would hate to think I spent all that money just to have something very few others have (for that matter, I shudder to think that I spent all that money for whatever reason).

As far as the chests are concerned, the people buying them are spending their money and taking chances. I couldn't care less if they get lucky.

[Fossil]

Valid points, Marco! Yeah, I think you may well be right with your take on the situation.

Anyhow, makes one think if it is wise to continue investing in the game, as we seem to get closer to the abyss by the week.

I believe that this is the case. The game is getting long in the tooth and other games have come along that are less expensive to play, offer the same opportunities to those that spend less (spending only reduces the time to acquire items), no advantage to "alliances" so that no one can control the game play, allows you to choose when to war, and weaker players are not a disadvantage, as you select who participates.

I and the others in my KnD guild have migrated to such a game, yet a few of us continue to play KnD but we don't spend. The last to leave KnD will be those who can't walk away from their "investment" in time and money, so they will be the ones to turn out the light.

[roookey1]

Anyhow, it's a shame K&D is ignorantly run down that way out of GREED.

Sustainable business models are obviously unheard of by the management of this company, or we as their customers are knowingly exploited to buy into a product that had a short expiry date from the beginning merely our of their greed.

Interesting move, @Fossil, I'd love to hear more about it. You mention some of the issues that are an absolute no-go for any player who has some self-esteem. I'm actually looking for a game where there's real competition and challenge, and the buy2win aspect not as absurd and stupid (just thinking of GM's wearing Fusion Boosts, stripping for each other and players being allowed to endlessly kill a single opponent) as here.

[Fossil]

Anyhow, it's a shame K&D is ignorantly run down that way out of GREED.

Sustainable business models are obviously unheard of by the management of this company, or we as their customers are knowingly exploited to buy into a product that had a short expiry date from the beginning merely our of their greed.

Interesting move, @Fossil, I'd love to hear more about it. You mention some of the issues that are an absolute no-go for any player who has some self-esteem. I'm actually looking for a game where there's real competition and challenge, and the buy2win aspect not as absurd and stupid (just thinking of GM's wearing Fusion Boosts, stripping for each other and players being allowed to endlessly kill a single opponent) as here.

Sent you a PM

[Ant venom]

Anyhow, it's a shame K&D is ignorantly run down that way out of GREED.

Sustainable business models are obviously unheard of by the management of this company, or we as their customers are knowingly exploited to buy into a product that had a short expiry date from the beginning merely our of their greed.

Interesting move, @Fossil, I'd love to hear more about it. You mention some of the issues that are an absolute no-go for any player who has some self-esteem. I'm actually looking for a game where there's real competition and challenge, and the buy2win aspect not as absurd and stupid (just thinking of GM's wearing Fusion Boosts, stripping for each other and players being allowed to endlessly kill a single opponent) as here.

The game he was mentioning was Clash of Clans, I can tell by the way he described it.

[Regretz]

Yup that would be correct. I started a clan in CoC and quite a few of my KnD buddies have joined me. Lately we focus more on CoC rather than KnD, for quite a few reasons.
1) It is truly a game of skill and teamwork. You can't buy a win, and in fact the people that do spend money typically have rushed bases, don't know how to war with their base, and are far worse off than the average player.
2) The management team doesn't **** all over u
3) There is actually a good global/clan chat system, so Line isnt a must in order to communicate

Dont get me wrong, I love KnD and have a ton invested in it. As of lately, though, I have been spending my money on CoC and a lot less on KnD. If this game continues to "progress" the way it is now, I fear I may stop playing completely. After all, theres only so much a person can take before they turn away, no matter how much they have invested.

[Fossil]

Yup that would be correct. I started a clan in CoC and quite a few of my KnD buddies have joined me. Lately we focus more on CoC rather than KnD, for quite a few reasons.
1) It is truly a game of skill and teamwork. You can't buy a win, and in fact the people that do spend money typically have rushed bases, don't know how to war with their base, and are far worse off than the average player.
2) The management team doesn't **** all over u
3) There is actually a good global/clan chat system, so Line isnt a must in order to communicate

Dont get me wrong, I love KnD and have a ton invested in it. As of lately, though, I have been spending my money on CoC and a lot less on KnD. If this game continues to "progress" the way it is now, I fear I may stop playing completely. After all, theres only so much a person can take before they turn away, no matter how much they have invested.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

[SBBL Indigo]

Dont get me wrong, I love KnD and have a ton invested in it. As of lately, though, I have been spending my money on CoC and a lot less on KnD. If this game continues to "progress" the way it is now, I fear I may stop playing completely. After all, theres only so much a person can take before they turn away, no matter how much they have invested.

I've agreed with you at least 3 times recently. What's going on? ;)

The only conclusion I can bring is that Gree WANTS us to stop playing. I've thought this before and dismissed it as silly, but this does seem to be in line with their new business model of completely pissing off everyone who currently spends a reasonable amount in favour of pandering to new players. I'm not even being sarcastic. One of the forum mods said there were business decisions made that couldn't be discussed openly - perhaps this is one of them.

There is no logical reason otherwise. Gems cost Gree nothing, being that they are just pixels. I'm pretty sure that not many people would ever buy full price, and even if they did, they would buy a ton less than they would with a holiday pack. So Gree makes less money, gem buyers are angry. Nobody wins. I went into this war with just enough gems for the push and it has completely taken the fun out of the event for me. I like to be able to gem at will, not pick my battles for fear of running low. I feel like they are trying everything they can to loosen the existing dominating forces in the game - starting with screwing over Rainbow with the T3 reward system, changing the event routines (including the notorious blitz>raid event) and so on, to make new players feel top achievements are more within their capabilities. That's why they don't care about the top spenders and go out of their way to piss them off.

Yet still we play. You can't get rid of us that easily Gree :D

[P4R4NO1D]

Yup that would be correct. I started a clan in CoC and quite a few of my KnD buddies have joined me. Lately we focus more on CoC rather than KnD, for quite a few reasons.
1) It is truly a game of skill and teamwork. You can't buy a win, and in fact the people that do spend money typically have rushed bases, don't know how to war with their base, and are far worse off than the average player.
2) The management team doesn't **** all over u
3) There is actually a good global/clan chat system, so Line isnt a must in order to communicate

The people that spend money in coc are way stronger than the people who don't. I think you meant the people who rush their base which all you need to do is farm gold and keep upgrading that TH!
Also you may not notice it now since you're probably a low TH but in TH8-TH10 you will get see the unfariness. Not alot but you will notice it. Gemmers also have an advantage in war since they always have their heroes available.

[Regretz]

Ur wrong there Paranoid, first off im not a low TH im TH9. In my war clan I get paired up against many clans with rushed TH9 and I destroy them. The people that spend money arent stronger, because they bought their troops/base and therefore have less experience when it comes to attacking, I have seen this all too often. I have had many TH9s with strong bases fail miserably while attacking me. Their inexperience proved they gemmed everything, but it hurt them because they were mismatched against me, who took my time to upgrade my base/troops and practice all ny attack strategies. I do spend some money here and there on gems to speed up an upgrade or 2, but im in no way a rushed TH9. So yes, normally the people that spend a lot are worse off, but thats not the case all the time.

As for gemmers having an advantage in war due to having heroes, wtf are u talkin about? Wars are 24h long and u get 2 attacks. Heroes are down anywhere from half hour to 2 hours after they get knocked out (depending on hero lvl), so anyone that attacks without waiting for their heroes to regain hp are idiots and deserve to lose their attack. You have 24h, there is plenty of time to wait... (btw, im sort of a war veteran on there and have mastered many different 3-star attack strategies, while also designing my own anti-3 star bases). In the past 12 wars I have yet to be 3 starred, and rarely ever even 2 starred (against TH9). A solid 90% of my attacks against other TH9s are always 3 stars as well. So I know quite a bit about war :)

[P4R4NO1D]

Ur wrong there Paranoid, first off im a low TH im TH9. In my war clan I get paired up against many clans with rushed TH9 and I destroy them. The people that spend money arent stronger, because they bought their troops/base and therefore have less experience when it comes to attacking, I have seen this all too often. I have had many TH9s with strong bases fail miserably while attacking me. Their inexperience proved they gemmed everything, but it hurt them because they were mismatched against me, who took my time to upgrade my base/troops and practice all ny attack strategies. I do spend some money here and there on gems to speed up an upgrade or 2, but im in no way a rushed TH9. So yes, normally the people that spend a lot are worse off, but thats not the case all the time.

As for gemmers having an advantage in war due to having heroes, wtf are u talkin about? Wars are 24h long and u get 2 attacks. Heroes are down anywhere from half hour to 2 hours after they get knocked out (depending on hero lvl), so anyone that attacks without waiting for their heroes to regain hp are idiots and deserve to lose their attack. You have 24h, there is plenty of time to wait... (btw, im sort of a war veteran on there and have mastered many different 3-star attack strategies, while also designing my own anti-3 star bases). In the past 12 wars I have yet to be 3 starred, and rarely ever even 2 starred (against TH9). A solid 90% of my attacks against other TH9s are always 3 stars as well. So I know quite a bit about war :)

Heroes take 2-7 days to upgrade so thats when gemmers have an advantage. They gem while you're handicap. Gemmers aren't less experience, they are the ones in master and champion league. They are less experience with some attacks but they usually just use the same OP attack like GoWiPe or Lavaloonion. And when thats all they use, its easy to get a 3 star.

[Regretz]

I see ur point there, I also usw gems to speed up my heroes levels. However, GoWiPe is only a 3 star strategy at TH8. If you use GoWiPe at TH9 against a semi-decent base you will be lucky to get 2 stars. Lavaloonian is OP, but does require practice and skill to perfect (I would know, when I first tried it I failed miserably, my pathing was so off). My go-to strategy is GoHoWiWi, as its fun to use and can 3 star most bases when used correctly.

However, knowing how to attack a base for maximum results based on the design is one thing that cannot be bought. For instance, im in a war right now (prep day). I have studied the enemy #1 base and know that my best option to 3 star him is a GoLava attack. Every base has its strenghts and weaknesses, knowing how to determine those are what make a truly great player. Lavaloonian is a strong strategy, and many have tried using it on my base but it always ends the same... 1 star. GoWiPe has been used on me a myriad of times, and theyre lucky to get 1 star. This is because I know how to build a strong base, and know that unexperienced players will attempt those strats on me.

Anyway, to the whole point of this post, wins cannot be bought in CoC. Gemming helps, but if you're unexperienced you might as well be throwing your money down the toilet. It all come down to strategy and careful planning, and also knowing how pathing works (EXTREMELY important, I cannot stress this enough). Gemming heroes helps, but hey dont war if your heroes are being upgraded, chances are you will lose.

[Lord P]

The only conclusion I can bring is that Gree WANTS us to stop playing.
I've been saying this for months. Forum staff keeps telling us this isn't what Gree wants and the game isn't winding down.

Actions speak louder than words. Either this game is winding down or Gree is attempting to change it's target audience. Gree staff continues to advocate that everything is planned in advance even though its rather transparent that this statement isn't true. We're not morons (well some of us aren't). You can't expect us to take it on face value that Gree planned weeks in advance to give a Spirit/Air t25/t50 prize for a Fire Raid. That's just stupid on every level and it's sad Gree would think we'd believe this was planned. If it was planned that way then it was incompetent. How many times has that happened in 2015? Planned? Really?

Gree planned to piss off all the Avian Aegis holders by sticking it in a chest? Then bring out a brand new air DF the next week? Planned? Then do the exact same thing the following week with the Golothic Stonemail raid armor, only to bring out another Earth element DF this week in a chest event? Planned? You either planned to anger all those raid armor holders or the people who decide what goes where, doesn't play the game therefore they just put whatever armor wherever they want to put it...... chests t25/t50, whatever. Whether Gree is purposefully trying to anger players so they leave or they're incompetent doesn't change the reality that people are unhappy and some are actually leaving. I've cut back a lot....... haven't gone t10 since DF came out. Videos are still not fixed on iOS and now Gree has decided to get stingy with the only thing that keeps people buying gems....... the "Holiday Pack." Either Gree is satisfied with gem sales as they are, or again, they're incompetent. Perhaps the complainers on these forums and Facebook are but a small fraction of the total players of K&D........... I'm rather confident Gree will continue to test that.

In the meantime lets see how long it takes for Gree to make good on the various things they've said they'd do...... like fixing the videos on iOS, increasing the raid milestone levels, revamping leveling prizes, ect., ect.

Then there are the things Gree has not said they would address but people still complain about........ 3 day wars that start on Saturday, the lack of FBA to level up DFA, not being able to kick players from a guild during events, overcoming the code that doesn't allow for higher limits on stored armors, etc., etc.

Even as I ramble on about these obvious failures my heart tells me Gree is going to pull the plug on this game. They're turning it into a mess and the recent decisions indicate this is some kind of exit strategy. Much of this could be fixed by just listening to what people are saying. It doesn't appear they are........ and if they are listening, Gree isn't going to act on it because it's not within company interests. So if satisfying the customers is not in the interest of a business then what is? WHAT WE'VE BEEN SAYING FOR MONTHS NOW....... MONEY!

/end rant

[beartrap]

I'm sorry you don't like the rewards for events, because I like them.
I'm sorry you can't watch videos on iOS, because I can on android.
I'm sorry you don't like chance chest rewards, because I like them (though I have yet to get any).
I'm sorry you don't like the war start times, because I am fine with them.
I'm sorry that there is no gem sales constantly, because I don't need them.
I'm sorry that you believe the game will end soon, because I don't believe it will.

So the game is perfect as is, though I need to get better armor. I am a satisfied player.

[Lord P]

I'm sorry you don't like the rewards for events, because I like them.
I'm sorry you can't watch videos on iOS, because I can on android.
I'm sorry you don't like chance chest rewards, because I like them (though I have yet to get any).
I'm sorry you don't like the war start times, because I am fine with them.
I'm sorry that there is no gem sales constantly, because I don't need them.
I'm sorry that you believe the game will end soon, because I don't believe it will.

So the game is perfect as is, though I need to get better armor. I am a satisfied player.
The irony...... when I started playing this game in September I was satisfied also........ then as time went by my eyes were opened. No one came to this game because they hated it.

[Anarchos]

I've agreed with you at least 3 times recently. What's going on? ;)

The only conclusion I can bring is that Gree WANTS us to stop playing. I've thought this before and dismissed it as silly, but this does seem to be in line with their new business model of completely pissing off everyone who currently spends a reasonable amount in favour of pandering to new players. I'm not even being sarcastic. One of the forum mods said there were business decisions made that couldn't be discussed openly - perhaps this is one of them.

There is no logical reason otherwise. Gems cost Gree nothing, being that they are just pixels. I'm pretty sure that not many people would ever buy full price, and even if they did, they would buy a ton less than they would with a holiday pack. So Gree makes less money, gem buyers are angry. Nobody wins. I went into this war with just enough gems for the push and it has completely taken the fun out of the event for me. I like to be able to gem at will, not pick my battles for fear of running low. I feel like they are trying everything they can to loosen the existing dominating forces in the game - starting with screwing over Rainbow with the T3 reward system, changing the event routines (including the notorious blitz>raid event) and so on, to make new players feel top achievements are more within their capabilities. That's why they don't care about the top spenders and go out of their way to piss them off.

Yet still we play. You can't get rid of us that easily Gree :D

It's almost as if someone in management is trying to drive their stock prices down to buy them out.

[P4R4NO1D]

@Regretz I check on clash of clans and its seems you can opt out and opt in, thats really cool. Some really cool changes but this isnt a coc forum. But yea agreed regretz, you cant buy wins in coc but just like in any p2w game the biggest spender will always win.