Complete Cash and Valor Reset. Would it Work?

[Pidgeot]

Modern War is a game that will go to extremes, as we all have seen. As of now, In-game Cash is useless. Outside of frontline, there is no use for it. I dont include because most who have large IPHs can make any upgrade. Even those with weaker IPHs can make most upgrades and buy new LTBs ( I mean the good ones). Players dont raid or attack others unless they are doing it for BP farming.

To me, the way to fix this is to just put out a code that resets all players cash to 0 or something under 1 billion. This would at least bring back the raiding aspect of the game for a lot of players. I dont collect my cash building and left up my LV 13 AMRs for like a week and no one touched them. I know Im not the only players who dont care about collection times anymore.

We could even introduce a new event where we have to raid and attack players for cash to finish goals. Something needs to be done. I would even argue raise the amount you can get from attacking a player to like 50m or a percentage of their on hand cash OR based on the player IPH, which would support my idea for a cash raiding event.

While I dont feel valor is as big a deal but it has little use as well. Its nice we can buy raid boss folders with valor now but thats it. Maybe we dont completely drain it but it would be nice to see some new buildings we can buy with cash, gold OR valor. Maybe some new faction stuff that has to deal with valor.

What do you guys think.

[crazeejay]

The majority don't care anymore

[bam bam.]

No, you can't remove what people paid real world money for. The solution is another currency that allows you to buy special items. But you have to inform the community 2 plus months in advance or it will fall on its head like soldier equipment did. Also you make the new items for a few events not all. Don't mess with things that work (we seen what happened when they messed with the working raidboss formula). Say you could purchase things like boosts to energy reduction requirement for iltqs n fltqs. Or make your faction points currency so you can buy new boosts for the faction.

[Pidgeot]

No, you can't remove what people paid real world money for. The solution is another currency that allows you to buy special items. But you have to inform the community 2 plus months in advance or it will fall on its head like soldier equipment did. Also you make the new items for a few events not all. Don't mess with things that work (we seen what happened when they messed with the working raidboss formula). Say you could purchase things like boosts to energy reduction requirement for iltqs n fltqs. Or make your faction points currency so you can buy new boosts for the faction.
Well, I suggest this as a one time thing to reverse the cash glitches. People with already high IPHs wont care since they can get the money again but there are many accounts out there with really low IPHs with trillions of on hand cash, which would not be possible.

[Dumas]

I guess there is a certain group of players that forget that not everyone is in a top10 faction... us guys down at the middle area still have to fight for what we get...half my faction is raiding like crazy trying to buy gunners for FL. 2 FL's a cycle is a real killer for some of them... so when they just saved up their 3-5billion to buy gunners for FL, you just propose for gree to wipe that away... yep great suggestion!!

[redvenge99]

Your worried about fixing a cash glitch...hahah how bout fixing the repercussions from te original cash glitch or the pink tree glitch or the original gold glitch or the building reset glitch oohhh I no how bout fixing whats been done by the apm glitch... this game is so far in disrepear its rediculous... those that took advantage of such gliches have gained such regen bonuses and stats that they will forever be on top and untouchable.... the worst part about it gree knows but cant do anything to fix it...

[Pidgeot]

I guess there is a certain group of players that forget that not everyone is in a top10 faction... us guys down at the middle area still have to fight for what we get...half my faction is raiding like crazy trying to buy gunners for FL. 2 FL's a cycle is a real killer for some of them... so when they just saved up their 3-5billion to buy gunners for FL, you just propose for gree to wipe that away... yep great suggestion!!

Frontline is a IPH event. You simply cant substitute upgrading cash buildings for raiding. Its always been that way. The problem here is because of the cash glitch, people just dont feel they need to upgrade their cash building to improve IPH. Tell your faction to boost their IPH. I'm not counting you guys out but a lot of players are at a disadvantage because they worked to boost their IPH yet people have trillions of on hand cash due to the glitches. Maybe we dont completely reset it but put everyones on hand cash to like 1 billion or so. If your faction cant afford gunners because of it then so be it, you have the tanks. The problem will fix itself and players will upgrade what they feel is needed.

[Pidgeot]

Your worried about fixing a cash glitch...hahah how bout fixing the repercussions from te original cash glitch or the pink tree glitch or the original gold glitch or the building reset glitch oohhh I no how bout fixing whats been done by the apm glitch... this game is so far in disrepear its rediculous... those that took advantage of such gliches have gained such regen bonuses and stats that they will forever be on top and untouchable.... the worst part about it gree knows but cant do anything to fix it...

Well, lets take it one step at a time.

[redvenge99]

One step at a time? Gree turned and ran the other way... the real soution would to do a backlog scan of every account and reset every account that has stats, iph and bonuses that doesnt match gold purchases....

[Danger Mouse]

Easiest way to reset everything and make it fun again is just delete the app and play something else.

[tigerlion]

Modern War is a game that will go to extremes, as we all have seen. As of now, In-game Cash is useless. Outside of frontline, there is no use for it. I dont include because most who have large IPHs can make any upgrade. Even those with weaker IPHs can make most upgrades and buy new LTBs ( I mean the good ones). Players dont raid or attack others unless they are doing it for BP farming.

To me, the way to fix this is to just put out a code that resets all players cash to 0 or something under 1 billion. This would at least bring back the raiding aspect of the game for a lot of players. I dont collect my cash building and left up my LV 13 AMRs for like a week and no one touched them. I know Im not the only players who dont care about collection times anymore.

We could even introduce a new event where we have to raid and attack players for cash to finish goals. Something needs to be done. I would even argue raise the amount you can get from attacking a player to like 50m or a percentage of their on hand cash OR based on the player IPH, which would support my idea for a cash raiding event.

While I dont feel valor is as big a deal but it has little use as well. Its nice we can buy raid boss folders with valor now but thats it. Maybe we dont completely drain it but it would be nice to see some new buildings we can buy with cash, gold OR valor. Maybe some new faction stuff that has to deal with valor.

What do you guys think.

I think you're wasting your time. This game will be dead soon. Stop trying to fix this game, Gree don't care and only think about the bottom line, making as much money as possible until it's not worthwhile anymore.

[manbeast]

Reset? Horrible idea. What's the point of making a strategy or trying to build anything in this game if it can just be reset?

The solution is to give us something to spend money on. Frontline units costing 5 billion a piece. Buildings that start at 10 billion. Army units for 100 billion. Everything in this game is for beginners now.. Nothing for top end players. Beginners should NOT be able to afford the top unit for frontline. Should be something you work up to.

[fdsdg]

My iph is 400m. I'm a free player. Even if you reset cash, it wont matter, I'll be back at 25b in about 3 days

[Pidgeot]

Reset? Horrible idea. What's the point of making a strategy or trying to build anything in this game if it can just be reset?

The solution is to give us something to spend money on. Frontline units costing 5 billion a piece. Buildings that start at 10 billion. Army units for 100 billion. Everything in this game is for beginners now.. Nothing for top end players. Beginners should NOT be able to afford the top unit for frontline. Should be something you work up to.

I agree with you but something needs to be done.

[Pidgeot]

My iph is 400m. I'm a free player. Even if you reset cash, it wont matter, I'll be back at 25b in about 3 days

This wont affect you as much but repairs the damage done of the tank and ship glitch.

[Tee]

Hello Gree.

As requested above, one step at a time and all, please reset Pidgeot's valor and IPH to zero. Thanks!

:rolleyes:

[J-manKometh96]

Bad idea after bad idea.....you really should work for GREE pidiot. A far more simple solution would be to limit the types of units you can have in your army. X amount of loot/reward/non-purchasable units, y amount of valor, and z amount of cash. 50%, 25%, 25% say.

[Modern War Forum GF]

Hello Gree.

As requested above, one step at a time and all, please reset Pidgeot's valor and IPH to zero. Thanks!

:rolleyes:

+1, best idea to date... And most feasable :)

[Agent Orange]

Hello Gree.

As requested above, one step at a time and all, please reset Pidgeot's valor and IPH to zero. Thanks!

:rolleyes:

Yes an outstanding solution.

[What?]

I don't want to have cash on my account, but I have nothing to spend it on. What is raising the amount someone can raid going to change the fact that there is absolutely nothing to buy in this game anymore. Even with upgrading my buildings to 20 I have so much excess cash it is ridiculous.

[Dumas]

Frontline is a IPH event. You simply cant substitute upgrading cash buildings for raiding. Its always been that way. The problem here is because of the cash glitch, people just dont feel they need to upgrade their cash building to improve IPH. Tell your faction to boost their IPH. I'm not counting you guys out but a lot of players are at a disadvantage because they worked to boost their IPH yet people have trillions of on hand cash due to the glitches. Maybe we dont completely reset it but put everyones on hand cash to like 1 billion or so. If your faction cant afford gunners because of it then so be it, you have the tanks. The problem will fix itself and players will upgrade what they feel is needed.

I think you may be missing the point on why most are no longer upgrading cash buildings... it's primarily bcos of the lack of Boost prizes and the new boost buildings that now go to lvl 20. I haven't upgraded a cash building besides the LTB for months now. I have been working hard on the boost buildings and I know a lot of others are doing the same thing...

[JB5]

Frontline is a IPH event. You simply cant substitute upgrading cash buildings for raiding. Its always been that way. The problem here is because of the cash glitch, people just dont feel they need to upgrade their cash building to improve IPH. Tell your faction to boost their IPH. I'm not counting you guys out but a lot of players are at a disadvantage because they worked to boost their IPH yet people have trillions of on hand cash due to the glitches. Maybe we dont completely reset it but put everyones on hand cash to like 1 billion or so. If your faction cant afford gunners because of it then so be it, you have the tanks. The problem will fix itself and players will upgrade what they feel is needed.
Agreed, Frontline is an iph event. But thousands of players still can only upgrade one, maybe two buildings at a time. So raiding is still a HUGE part of building cash for the event and upgrades. And with only one or two upgrades at once, iph doesn't build as fast as it would for those of us that have played for a while, or at a higher level. Your suggestion is made with good intent, but you have unintentionally disregarded the effect it would have on newer, lower level accounts. Just my two cents....

[DEWIN NUTTIN]

I don't want to have cash on my account, but I have nothing to spend it on. What is raising the amount someone can raid going to change the fact that there is absolutely nothing to buy in this game anymore. Even with upgrading my buildings to 20 I have so much excess cash it is ridiculous.

The "cash" has another purpose than what what a person might believe.
The "cash" serves to distract the uninformed.
Put a lot of stuff you call "cash" into play and the distraction is very useful.

[Agent Orange]

The "cash" has another purpose than what what a person might believe.
The "cash" serves to distract the uninformed.
Put a lot of stuff you call "cash" into play and the distraction is very useful.

Hard to believe that gree are 'clever' enough to mirror world economics..... And yet there is a whiff of something meandering through the halls...

[Pidgeot]

I don't want to have cash on my account, but I have nothing to spend it on. What is raising the amount someone can raid going to change the fact that there is absolutely nothing to buy in this game anymore. Even with upgrading my buildings to 20 I have so much excess cash it is ridiculous.

Yes that is true but lots of players have glitched cash on hand and just spend it as needed though they dont have the IPH to have such cash. As someone else said the issue is max number of upgrades one can make. If you have LV 20 buildings then congrats, you earned the right to have billions or trillions on hand cash and it will set you apart from someone with 300k IPH during frontline.

[Pidgeot]

I think you may be missing the point on why most are no longer upgrading cash buildings... it's primarily bcos of the lack of Boost prizes and the new boost buildings that now go to lvl 20. I haven't upgraded a cash building besides the LTB for months now. I have been working hard on the boost buildings and I know a lot of others are doing the same thing...

Yes, I did not factor in max building upgrades players may have but I hear if players can watch gold videos, they can get a max of 40 gold a day. The Upgrade Specialist is still in the store so thats 3 to 4 days worth of saving from grinding. I do think GREE needs to make the max number of upgrades a account should be able to make from the start as two buildings at a time. It would be 3 with the unit from the store.

[Agent Orange]

Yes that is true but lots of players have glitched cash on hand and just spend it as needed though they dont have the IPH to have such cash. As someone else said the issue is max number of upgrades one can make. If you have LV 20 buildings then congrats, you earned the right to have billions or trillions on hand cash and it will set you apart from someone with 300k IPH during frontline.

Are you and I playing the same game?

[Pidgeot]

Agreed, Frontline is an iph event. But thousands of players still can only upgrade one, maybe two buildings at a time. So raiding is still a HUGE part of building cash for the event and upgrades. And with only one or two upgrades at once, iph doesn't build as fast as it would for those of us that have played for a while, or at a higher level. Your suggestion is made with good intent, but you have unintentionally disregarded the effect it would have on newer, lower level accounts. Just my two cents....

New accounts are always behind. I believe the best way to do this is change the core basics of the game, i.e. all accounts can upgrade 2 buildings at a time without boost and provide ways to get into the game quickly. Perhaps give those players making new accounts like 250 gold. I know they still have to raid but they still have to build IPH no matter how new or old the account is. With this cash glitch, people just took away the need to upgrade cash buildings.

[NexusImperium]

Resetting these amounts is only tackling the symptoms, not the core problem. The problem is that the MW economy is not functioning properly.

There is not enough entropy in the MW economy, which allows the total amount of cash on hand to grow somewhat linearly without limit as people upgrade their IPH buildings and as the top 1% have massive IPH and virtually no cash outflow.

The fix I proposed in this thread (http://forums.gree.net/showthread.php?115703-Please-give-us-something-to-spend-our-game-cash-on) would be a very good way to fix the problem and would drastically reduce the amount of cash on hand in the MW economy without having to hit a hard reset button.

The various points in my idea all touch on introducing a higher level of entropy in the economy which would quickly set to balance the economy.

[ezmunie]

Frontline is a IPH event. You simply cant substitute upgrading cash buildings for raiding. Its always been that way. The problem here is because of the cash glitch, people just dont feel they need to upgrade their cash building to improve IPH. Tell your faction to boost their IPH. I'm not counting you guys out but a lot of players are at a disadvantage because they worked to boost their IPH yet people have trillions of on hand cash due to the glitches. Maybe we dont completely reset it but put everyones on hand cash to like 1 billion or so. If your faction cant afford gunners because of it then so be it, you have the tanks. The problem will fix itself and players will upgrade what they feel is needed.

LMAO!! You want things fixed for YOU and you don't care about anyone else.

I don't want gree to touch my IPH, my cash or my valor. I'm not in a top 10 faction and I don't wanna be. I'm happy where I am and with what I have.

So, you don't speak for me and I doubt you speak for the community.

[Pidgeot]

Resetting these amounts is only tackling the symptoms, not the core problem. The problem is that the MW economy is not functioning properly.

There is not enough entropy in the MW economy, which allows the total amount of cash on hand to grow somewhat linearly without limit as people upgrade their IPH buildings and as the top 1% have massive IPH and virtually no cash outflow.

The fix I proposed in this thread (http://forums.gree.net/showthread.php?115703-Please-give-us-something-to-spend-our-game-cash-on) would be a very good way to fix the problem and would drastically reduce the amount of cash on hand in the MW economy without having to hit a hard reset button.

The various points in my idea all touch on introducing a higher level of entropy in the economy which would quickly set to balance the economy.

I do agree one good frontline cycle can fix this but introducing new units could break the recycling function. At 40m a unit, the unit would need to be around 2m a/d or you create a situation where you recycle for more than you paid for, keeping in mind the bulk cost. For most, a 2m stat unit does not make their army, depending on the boost. Your way does work but change needs to happen to where all are affected equally. For most of us, this wont affect us but there is no need to award players who used the cash glitch with better units to make them use their money.

[Pidgeot]

LMAO!! You want things fixed for YOU and you don't care about anyone else.

I don't want gree to touch my IPH, my cash or my valor. I'm not in a top 10 faction and I don't wanna be. I'm happy where I am and with what I have.

So, you don't speak for me and I doubt you speak for the community.

I speak for the health of the game. I'm not in a top 10 faction and I care more about the game than most who want nothing done. All I here is " My IPH sucks and I dont want to lose my glitched cash and valor"

[J-manKometh96]

All we hear is, "I missed the cash glitch and everyone else has more than me."

[DEWIN NUTTIN]

None of this will matter in a very short time, as if any of it ever mattered.

[Pidgeot]

All we hear is, "I missed the cash glitch and everyone else has more than me."

I've used every cash glitch that happened.

[East Coast Bias]

My micro account with a 350k iph has been deploying all gunners for the last few FLs and scoring 40mm with no gold. If some players have not found the answer to funding their FL units, you really don't understand the game. If you need a hint, the word starts with R.

[redvenge99]

I've used every cash glitch that happened.

So let me get this straight, you used the cash glitches and im sure the android vid gold glitch and bought all the ltbs on rerelease, got your iph up and now you want gree to reset everyone elses cash and valor so you come out on top? To bad gree wasnt smart enough to trace your ip adress and ban your game.. pfffft as if dude!!

[Pidgeot]

So let me get this straight, you used the cash glitches and im sure the android vid gold glitch and bought all the ltbs on rerelease, got your iph up and now you want gree to reset everyone elses cash and valor so you come out on top? To bad gree wasnt smart enough to trace your ip adress and ban your game.. pfffft as if dude!!

I love how people just make up claims.

[groovy shags]

I love how people just make up claims.


I love how pidgiots brain works. Just reset everything to ground zero! Or scrap modern war, and release modern war II. With even more fun and exciting flaws and glitches! Just please keep the forums. That's all I ask!

[Pidgeot]

I love how pidgiots brain works. Just reset everything to ground zero! Or scrap modern war, and release modern war II. With even more fun and exciting flaws and glitches! Just please keep the forums. That's all I ask!

I want to know what people are reading. When have I ever said reset everything? I'm curious to know this. Its also spelled Pidgeot, one "i".

[ezmunie]

Gree ought to reset Pidiot's IPH, take away all valor, cash, building upgrades, units, boosts, skill points, back to lvl 1 with no rank. A fresh start with nothing but empty buildings on your base. Then tell us how great it is that you're starting over. :)

[Pidgeot]

Gree ought to reset Pidiot's IPH, take away all valor, cash, building upgrades, units, boosts, skill points, back to lvl 1 with no rank. A fresh start with nothing but empty buildings on your base. Then tell us how great it is that you're starting over. :)

Somehow resetting cash, which was glitched for and valor which is a byproduct of said glitch equals a complete base wipe. Makes perfect since in religoland.

[good gawd noooo]

Somehow resetting cash, which was glitched for and valor which is a byproduct of said glitch equals a complete base wipe. Makes perfect since in religoland.

personally I think your an okay guy pidg. and I do like the fact you are trying to figure out how gree can save game. However you start with that suggestion it is natural to follow up with well if they glitch cash did they buy their fl units with it.. take away their fl rank units and bonuses .. did they buy or upgrade their buildings with glitched money well take away that... unfortunately when gree starts doing that even more players would leave.. I don't agree with how everyone is stating their thoughts in a negative manner or making it personal.. However gree starting with a simple reset is just that a start and its what would or could come next that has many worried. cheers pidg keep thinking of how to save the game and hopefully if you get a really good idea gree will listen.. but I unfortunately think the forum will give you a more positive response then gree ever will.. look around everything now more then ever shows grees desperate attempt to pull in gold(real money) asap while giving as lil as possible. Gree has given up on the game except in sense of pulling as much cash first as it can

[Pidgeot]

personally I think your an okay guy pidg. and I do like the fact you are trying to figure out how gree can save game. However you start with that suggestion it is natural to follow up with well if they glitch cash did they buy their fl units with it.. take away their fl rank units and bonuses .. did they buy or upgrade their buildings with glitched money well take away that... unfortunately when gree starts doing that even more players would leave.. I don't agree with how everyone is stating their thoughts in a negative manner or making it personal.. However gree starting with a simple reset is just that a start and its what would or could come next that has many worried. cheers pidg keep thinking of how to save the game and hopefully if you get a really good idea gree will listen.. but I unfortunately think the forum will give you a more positive response then gree ever will.. look around everything now more then ever shows grees desperate attempt to pull in gold(real money) asap while giving as lil as possible. Gree has given up on the game except in sense of pulling as much cash first as it can

Yeah I'll keep trying but this cash glitch is the reason we're not getting anything worthwhile. We are getting crap building after crap building with no end in sight. All this is doing is punishing the new players who do know whats going on. A simple reset of cash would fix that and return raiding back into the game.

[J-manKometh96]

The new players still have the regular buildings to build and upgrade. Come back with that nonsense after they upgrade those to level 20, as that will sustain most given the current economy. In the meantime, let them raid everyone around them. You know, how it's always been done.

[KillerDriller]

I guess there is a certain group of players that forget that not everyone is in a top10 faction... us guys down at the middle area still have to fight for what we get...half my faction is raiding like crazy trying to buy gunners for FL. 2 FL's a cycle is a real killer for some of them... so when they just saved up their 3-5billion to buy gunners for FL, you just propose for gree to wipe that away... yep great suggestion!!

Agreed. Also many factions are still buying those expensive bonuses. Leave the cash alone.

[good gawd noooo]

Agreed. Also many factions are still buying those expensive bonuses. Leave the cash alone.

that is part of issue with the reset NOT everyone was around during glitch or even knew about it til too late... same with all glitches so to do a game wide reset is to punish not only the players that did milk the glitch but punishes those that did nothing. I am sure it is hard for some to believe but there are actually a lot of players out of the loop that don't hear about stuff til its over or posted on forum.. and if its on forum its been patched or will be VERY soon. besides mw has too many issues and although in game cash value is one of them.. more pressing issues like the stat inflation. would take not just one fix to save them game but a few directly affecting cash value,stats , bonuses, and faction bonuses as well.. unless all are addressed its just a bandaid that will get bled threw

[Pidgeot]

that is part of issue with the reset NOT everyone was around during glitch or even knew about it til too late... same with all glitches so to do a game wide reset is to punish not only the players that did milk the glitch but punishes those that did nothing. I am sure it is hard for some to believe but there are actually a lot of players out of the loop that don't hear about stuff til its over or posted on forum.. and if its on forum its been patched or will be VERY soon. besides mw has too many issues and although in game cash value is one of them.. more pressing issues like the stat inflation. would take not just one fix to save them game but a few directly affecting cash value,stats , bonuses, and faction bonuses as well.. unless all are addressed its just a bandaid that will get bled threw

True but GREE can run a script that removes cash gain from those glitches, as seen with the removal of valor. GREE may need to suck it up and release new limited time cash and frontline units.

[Agent Orange]

True but GREE can run a script that removes cash gain from those glitches, as seen with the removal of valor. GREE may need to suck it up and release new limited time cash and frontline units.

Yeah and we've all seen how well they can program, they can't even fix fix FL lockouts.

I think what bothers me the most with your 'suggestions' is that you do not take into account how much it will affect those that have not used any glitches or even knew about them. I for one would be unfairly affected because I don't bother with most of those exploits and therefore your 'ideas' have a very negative impact on myself and my LLPs.

[Pidgeot]

Yeah and we've all seen how well they can program, they can't even fix fix FL lockouts.

I think what bothers me the most with your 'suggestions' is that you do not take into account how much it will affect those that have not used any glitches or even knew about them. I for one would be unfairly affected because I don't bother with most of those exploits and therefore your 'ideas' have a very negative impact on myself and my LLPs.

Thats why I suggest running the script to find the account that took advantage of it but then again, it's not like anyone else is suggesting anything.

[Agent Orange]

Thats why I suggest running the script to find the account that took advantage of it but then again, it's not like anyone else is suggesting anything.

No you suggested resetting everyone's account regardless of whether they glitched or not and that is totally unacceptable.

And you honestly think they can actually write a script that will A) work and B) achieve the desired goal.

As I've asked you numerous times before, are you actually playing the same game that the rest of us are because it sure as heck does not seem like it.

[J-manKometh96]

No he's not. He's just tryng to suck up to GREE in hopes of having something to add to his resume when he applies for a job with them

[Pidgeot]

No you suggested resetting everyone's account regardless of whether they glitched or not and that is totally unacceptable.

And you honestly think they can actually write a script that will A) work and B) achieve the desired goal.

As I've asked you numerous times before, are you actually playing the same game that the rest of us are because it sure as heck does not seem like it.

They did this with the valor exploit so its not unrealistic to think they could not do this again. They also did ths to find accounts who have used cheats for years and ban those accounts. We have all seen them do this. The cash reset is to fix the game economy and reduce the damage from the cash glitches. Whether or not you used the glitch, you benefit on the faction side of things. Rather than do a complete reset, like I have said over and over, just reset all cash to a realistic level, around 1b per player or something around that. A one time thing to maybe see cash become useful again. Seems like a harsh fix to help the games economy. lessor of two evils. Hard fix now, better game economy for the foreseeable future assuming GREE doesn't **** up again.

As to whether or not I'm playing the same game as you, no I'm not. I'm playing the super secret MW2 that people have been hearing about. Pretty good and stable too. They even have a +50 energy regen faction boost. I'm also in ZUP, which is a super faction consisting of the 1 percent of SUP. Pretty sweet. Oh, did I say too much?

[Pidgeot]

No he's not. He's just tryng to suck up to GREE in hopes of having something to add to his resume when he applies for a job with them

Yep, I also have on it I'm a free player who grinds what I have.

[t12pm]

Yep, I also have on it I'm a free player who glitches what I have. there fixed that for you.

The reset idea stinks, I have raided constantly for my money haven't touched one glitch. I have constantly upgraded my two buildings I can and still sit right around a hundred bil on hand at all times no reason for the to touch me if they gave me another upgrade specialist I wouldn't sit with money on hand to spare it would go to the boost buildings mostly just sitting. Yeah the specialist is in the store bought it as soon as it was put there guess what it is still there but can't buy No more since the first one check every time I save enough gold

[Pidgeot]

there fixed that for you.

The reset idea stinks, I have raided constantly for my money haven't touched one glitch. I have constantly upgraded my two buildings I can and still sit right around a hundred bil on hand at all times no reason for the to touch me if they gave me another upgrade specialist I wouldn't sit with money on hand to spare it would go to the boost buildings mostly just sitting. Yeah the specialist is in the store bought it as soon as it was put there guess what it is still there but can't buy No more since the first one check every time I save enough gold

Don't think we did not do the same things either. I have a IPH over 650m which is still growing. Don't think we did not work for what we have.

PS I can also "fix" your comment to make it look like you glitched for what you have.

[J-manKometh96]

Except you did glitch. He didn't.

[t12pm]

Don't think we did not do the same things either. I have a IPH over 650m which is still growing. Don't think we did not work for what we have.

PS I can also "fix" your comment to make it look like you glitched for what you have.


I've used every cash glitch that happened.

The only problem is the quote above so I didn't make it look like you did, you admitted it, where as I have never. So in reality you didn't work for your iph

[Pidgeot]

The only problem is the quote above so I didn't make it look like you did, you admitted it, where as I have never. So in reality you didn't work for your iph

No upgrade cost 1.1 trillion or even close to that. I work for everything thing I have.

[DEWIN NUTTIN]

No upgrade cost 1.1 trillion or even close to that. I work for everything thing I have.

Work? Dude, its a game. Sadly, THEY have done this to the community.

[ezmunie]

The only problem is the quote above so I didn't make it look like you did, you admitted it, where as I have never. So in reality you didn't work for your iph

Pidiot has used every cash glitch, exploit they can get their hands on. And because they cheat to get ahead, they think everyone does.

I've never cheated by using any glitch or exploit. I've earned what I have.

[Pidgeot]

Work? Dude, its a game. Sadly, THEY have done this to the community.

By work I do mean grinding but I did "work" for what I have. Glitching requires a lot of "work".

[Pidgeot]

Pidiot has used every cash glitch, exploit they can get their hands on. And because they cheat to get ahead, they think everyone does.

I've never cheated by using any glitch or exploit. I've earned what I have.

There were only 2 cash glitches I knew of though the tank glitch was the only one I have abused. They all were fair game since its not our fault they allowed us to sell back units for more than we bought them for. Once the game is in the hands of the player, anything can happen. We did not "cheat" to get ahead and without change logs, we never know whats intentional or not. According to you, the people bought the gold for 5 bucks each "cheated" but its what I expect from people of religoland. Everything always equals the absolutely max of wrong.

We earned all we have and did what the game allowed and for you to think you never glitched or benefited from one is a hard lie but then again, you live one of the biggest lies each day so whatever I guess.

[J-manKometh96]

Someone is getting testy. Maybe I'll have reason yet to break out the popcorn.

[Agent Orange]

He should go into politics, keeps changing his tune.

This latest 'idea' is beyond stunned, I'm starting to smell troll.

[Pidgeot]

He should go into politics, keeps changing his tune.

This latest 'idea' is beyond stunned, I'm starting to smell troll.

I thought people were over the whole "you're a troll if you post what I don't like" thing.

[ezmunie]

We earned all we have and did what the game allowed and for you to think you never glitched or benefited from one is a hard lie but then again, you live one of the biggest lies each day so whatever I guess.

You don't know me but if you did, you would know that I don't lie. No reason to lie about anything, much less a game. I've never taken advantage of any glitch/exploit in the game. I've said this from day one but you still insist that since you take advantage of every glitch/exploit there's been, then everyone does. Sorry pal, you're barking up the wrong tree.

[Agent Orange]

You don't know me but if you did, you would know that I don't lie. No reason to lie about anything, much less a game. I've never taken advantage of any glitch/exploit in the game. I've said this from day one but you still insist that since you take advantage of every glitch/exploit there's been, then everyone does. Sorry pal, you're barking up the wrong tree.

Not worth feeding the troll E.

[Pidgeot]

You don't know me but if you did, you would know that I don't lie. No reason to lie about anything, much less a game. I've never taken advantage of any glitch/exploit in the game. I've said this from day one but you still insist that since you take advantage of every glitch/exploit there's been, then everyone does. Sorry pal, you're barking up the wrong tree.

Because no person in your faction too advantage of a good deal? Thats all it is, a good deal and when they show up, people take advantage of it and profit. If a retailer has a 50$ TV in their ads for 50 bucks when it cost over 2 grand people will show up to buy it at 50 bucks and would more than likely buy more than one or all of them. You know why? So they can sell them back on Ebay for 2 grand. I guess we should arrest those people for stealing right?

Just like the retailer, GREE advertised a unit to use for 800k but allowed us to sell back for 6m. Sure it was an error, just like the 50 buck 50 inch was but they can either honor it or dont and take bad press, something a business does not want. GREE should have checked their work against their own selling system, Its clear they dont because of the ship glitch and if it happens again, people use take the good deal again. At this point Im over calling it a glitch. As for whether or not I know you, I feel I know you pretty well. If you speak to one person of religoland, you've spoken to them all.

[Pidgeot]

Not worth feeding the troll E.

People like you turned this thread into something it wasn't supposed to you. You, Agent Orange, ezmunie and J-manKometh96 clearly don't like me, which I'm fine with but insist on posting in all my threads when all I'm trying to do is find a solution to a problem that would make the most since for all players. What you, Agent Orange, ezmunie and J-manKometh96 are doing is the very nature of trolling because you three are very hostile against and only post because you want to argue, which is something I dont mind doing.

[HellRaizer]

Have to admit. I think it's a ridiculous idea. It wont penalize the people who took advantage of glitches but it would affect the LLPs who have worked hard to build up cash via raiding. Not everyone is in the big leagues and loaded with infinite cash

[Pidgeot]

Have to admit. I think it's a ridiculous idea. It wont penalize the people who took advantage of glitches but it would affect the LLPs who have worked hard to build up cash via raiding. Not everyone is in the big leagues and loaded with infinite cash

Thats why a fair option needs to be explored. GREE can run a script, like what was done for the valor and deduct the cash from accounts that used it. Its clear it messed the economy of MW up and I'm trying to find a fair way to fix it. I dont see anyone else trying to repair this. This would hurt a lot of account but it would help others as well. No new account would ever be able to raid my AMRs. A reset to about 5 billion bucks for all accounts and raising the limit of raidable on hand cash would return raiding back to the game for all players.

its an aggressive fix but would help fix the issue.

[J-manKometh96]

First, it's a lousy idea because it's about 4 months too late. Second, the valor script wasn't without its own issues, and created more problems. Third, we don't need more lag and lockouts. Fourth, it won't change or improve anything in the end anyway. Fifth, it's not you we don't like, just your ideas, because as I've said numerous times, it's the same kind of bull**** GREE comes up with that trashes everything in the first place.

An easy enough fix, as I stated at the beginning, is to change the army structure. Force people to have destructible cash and valor units in their armies. Not only will it give a use for cash, it may help slow down inflation. Even if they don't raid, they will have to replace them during WD. It truly was more fun then, when you had to make sure you had enough cash and valor to replace lost units between battles. Or if you didn't, raid your butt off to get it.

Beyond that, the greater issue isn't how much money people glitched, but how many older players actually have decent IPH. When was the last time there was a decent LTB? Bringing some of those back, not re-releases but new ones with good output, would help far more than your idea.

[Pidgeot]

First, it's a lousy idea because it's about 4 months too late. Second, the valor script wasn't without its own issues, and created more problems. Third, we don't need more lag and lockouts. Fourth, it won't change or improve anything in the end anyway. Fifth, it's not you we don't like, just your ideas, because as I've said numerous times, it's the same kind of bull**** GREE comes up with that trashes everything in the first place.

An easy enough fix, as I stated at the beginning, is to change the army structure. Force people to have destructible cash and valor units in their armies. Not only will it give a use for cash, it may help slow down inflation. Even if they don't raid, they will have to replace them during WD. It truly was more fun then, when you had to make sure you had enough cash and valor to replace lost units between battles. Or if you didn't, raid your butt off to get it.

Beyond that, the greater issue isn't how much money people glitched, but how many older players actually have decent IPH. When was the last time there was a decent LTB? Bringing some of those back, not re-releases but new ones with good output, would help far more than your idea.

The reason there are no new LTBs is because of the recycle **** up. With all the cash and raidable cash around, GREE saw you need to make more and switch them over to gold only. Remove the cash and the game starts to fix itself. The problem with high power destructible units is they would need to be big enough to make armies and not break the recycle system, since like I said before, a 2.5m a/d unit give 40m cash and 200k valor for recycling. If that units cost is under 40m in cost, then there is a problem. Also keep in mind bulk prices. If the units are too expensive, people wont buy them and you still have the issue because this still only affects the top players since they have the IPH to maybe afford replacements.

Mass removal of the cash is the quickest way to fix the issue for all. Not saying your idea wont help but it needs to combo with other ideas to work well.

[WBS]

Because no person in your faction too advantage of a good deal? Thats all it is, a good deal and when they show up, people take advantage of it and profit. If a retailer has a 50$ TV in their ads for 50 bucks when it cost over 2 grand people will show up to buy it at 50 bucks and would more than likely buy more than one or all of them. You know why? So they can sell them back on Ebay for 2 grand. I guess we should arrest those people for stealing right?

Just like the retailer, GREE advertised a unit to use for 800k but allowed us to sell back for 6m. Sure it was an error, just like the 50 buck 50 inch was but they can either honor it or dont and take bad press, something a business does not want. GREE should have checked their work against their own selling system, Its clear they dont because of the ship glitch and if it happens again, people use take the good deal again. At this point Im over calling it a glitch. As for whether or not I know you, I feel I know you pretty well. If you speak to one person of religoland, you've spoken to them all.

So you basically like to stereotype people. Labeling all in your fantasy religoland of being the same somehow. I sometimes agree with your posts but this one you definitely did not think before you spoke, or wrote to be more precise.

[J-manKometh96]

I never said destructible units had to be high power. Their cost doesn't have to be insane either. Taking money from people isn't an answer, though given the political drivel you've brought to the forum I can see why you think it's a good idea to take from those that have more than you. Give players something to spend the money on, other than more money, and wow, there actually become an economy again.

[Pidgeot]

So you basically like to stereotype people. Labeling all in your fantasy religoland of being the same somehow. I sometimes agree with your posts but this one you definitely did not think before you spoke, or wrote to be more precise.

Rather than call out one specific religion, I just say religoland but Im sure we all know which Im talking about. He has a habit of grouping all players who takes advantage of a good deal as cheating, no matter what you say so Im doing the same back. Gotta hit where it hurts.

[Pidgeot]

I never said destructible units had to be high power. Their cost doesn't have to be insane either. Taking money from people isn't an answer, though given the political drivel you've brought to the forum I can see why you think it's a good idea to take from those that have more than you. Give players something to spend the money on, other than more money, and wow, there actually become an economy again.

The Advance Assault Ship is 1.1m a/d and cost 125.5m to buy. Based on my boost, this does not even make my army. In order for a unit to make my army now, it needs to have at least 2.1m a/d AND not be a air unit since any air unit at least 600k will make my army. If I were to buy such a unit in the store, it would need a unit other than air with 2.1m a/d. Problem here is while it does make my army, it does not work with my boost, as will it with other players who have stronger boost. That unit would also cost at least 250m per unit, which does me no good at all. Most of us dont even buy destructible units anyway and these units would be too expensive for even new accounts to buy, leaving the problem unsolved.

In order to prevent another "good deal", unit cost would have to be high enough to offset recycling but unit strength would need to high enough to justify a buy. Am more than likely to buy a 55m a/d air unit because it would be too good not to given my boost but that unit would cost 6.9b per unit, which would be reasonable to offset the 800m cash and 5.5m valor you get from recycling it. No one would be willing to buy such a unit if they can lose them easily. Either way it would be too expensive and most of us wont even touch it.

[J-manKometh96]

Simple concepts escape you. No further use in trying to explaining anything to you, as I'd end up with a sore head and a broken wall.

[Pidgeot]

Simple concepts escape you. No further use in trying to explaining anything to you, as I'd end up with a sore head and a broken wall.

Then how do you fix it? If you are saying for people to have new units to buy, they need to be of value for the bulk of the player. I'm a free players and the AAS does not even make my army, a unit with 1.1m A/D. People who pay to play would need units with at least 5 or 6m stats to make their army. These players would have almost 0 reason to spend money on units that dont help their stats, leaving the problem unfixed.

Low cost/low power units will not get bought, just like they are now and high stat/low cost units will be bought but will create another recycling deal and high cost/high stat units wont get bought because there is no value in them other than paying millions and billions better off spent else where like high level upgrades and frontline. I mean, what exactly is your fix here that repairs the economy from recycling oversights???

Also, you said it here


An easy enough fix, as I stated at the beginning, is to change the army structure. Force people to have destructible cash and valor units in their armies. Not only will it give a use for cash, it may help slow down inflation.

[J-manKometh96]

Last smack of my head. If you don't get it, it's not my problem.

If players are required to have a percentage of their armies destructible cash and destructible valor units, they will lose units and have to replace them. The strength of the units is honestly irrelevant. The cost of the units is mostly irrelevant. Future recycle glitches need to be fixed anyway and is a separate issue. Use any units that currently work correctly and there is no problem. Anyone who was here when WD began will understand how it works.

[Pidgeot]

Last smack of my head. If you don't get it, it's not my problem.

If players are required to have a percentage of their armies destructible cash and destructible valor units, they will lose units and have to replace them. The strength of the units is honestly irrelevant. The cost of the units is mostly irrelevant. Future recycle glitches need to be fixed anyway and is a separate issue. Use any units that currently work correctly and there is no problem. Anyone who was here when WD began will understand how it works.

There is no way to to force a percentage of armies to be destructible without making a very detailed code. The game does not know what a cash, gold or valor unit is. All it knows to do is add to army if its big enough and to "check" to see if the unit can be lost. I have never been a fan of destructible valor units since thats the poor mans gold when used right. Yes I know it started that way but the game changed.

The issue here is the unit strength needed here. No player will buy units that wont make their army. What you suggest is almost like equipment 2.0 and no one liked that. No matter what happens, we have to prevent another recycle oversight. It comes done to 3 things,Will the players like the idea, will said idea fix the game economy and will it create another recycling deal. Remember these big units give out good valor, almost to the point to where they can replace valor units just through cash alone, not fixing the problem.

If you were not around for the equipment disaster then I suggest you look into it.

[WBS]

Rather than call out one specific religion, I just say religoland but Im sure we all know which Im talking about. He has a habit of grouping all players who takes advantage of a good deal as cheating, no matter what you say so Im doing the same back. Gotta hit where it hurts.

I get your stereorypical logic. It never really earns you any respect in life but if it works for you by all means. I hope you get to the maturity in life where you become the bigger person and don't feel the need to repay evil with evil.

[HellRaizer]

There is no way to to force a percentage of armies to be destructible without making a very detailed code. The game does not know what a cash, gold or valor unit is. All it knows to do is add to army if its big enough and to "check" to see if the unit can be lost. I have never been a fan of destructible valor units since thats the poor mans gold when used right. Yes I know it started that way but the game changed.


How can you say how the "code" works. Are you trying to pass this off as fact as part of your counter argument?

Now I don't claim to know the code, and I would guess that a lot of it is even foreign to the devs, but I do know that it is easy to differentiate unit types.. Back before the game introduced encrypted sqllite db files client side, they used to provide plist files, which is a similar mechanism to an xml file. One of the files contained item details and broke down the details of a unit. I'm fairly sure the MW toolkit made use of it to report unit, building and loot details. Presumably the sqllite db files contain the same info in a db form and this would also be a replica of what is server side... Therefore in this case of your "very detailed code" response I would severely doubt it..

I would guess it would be something like (MaxUnits/2 * GoldUnits) + (MaxUnits/2 * NonGoldUnits)
.... (I have over simplified to give an idea)

[Pidgeot]

I get your stereorypical logic. It never really earns you any respect in life but if it works for you by all means. I hope you get to the maturity in life where you become the bigger person and don't feel the need to repay evil with evil.

It's needed sometimes. I never cared to be the bigger man when I believe someone is incorrect. If I know for a fact you're wrong, I'm going to attack that. This is really the mindset of the religious and thats because their God see's it the same way. Everything is always taken to the extreme no matter how small the infraction is. Now repaying evil with evil is completely subjective because your ideal of evil is more than likely different my idea of evil but I do believe getting even is sometimes needed.

[Pidgeot]

How can you say how the "code" works. Are you trying to pass this off as fact as part of your counter argument?

Now I don't claim to know the code, and I would guess that a lot of it is even foreign to the devs, but I do know that it is easy to differentiate unit types.. Back before the game introduced encrypted sqllite db files client side, they used to provide plist files, which is a similar mechanism to an xml file. One of the files contained item details and broke down the details of a unit. I'm fairly sure the MW toolkit made use of it to report unit, building and loot details. Presumably the sqllite db files contain the same info in a db form and this would also be a replica of what is server side... Therefore in this case of your "very detailed code" response I would severely doubt it..

I would guess it would be something like (MaxUnits/2 * GoldUnits) + (MaxUnits/2 * NonGoldUnits)
.... (I have over simplified to give an idea)

I can see where you're coming from here but there are 5 unit types (excluding frontline) and its cash, valor indestructible, valor destructible, gold, indestructible. four of which you can buy and one you earn. What would be a sensible way to not make this cluttered and it work right with the current options we have. How do we prevent this from being like the equipment? From how we know with equipment, it just did not work sometimes. Some people even with the newest data set could not even get their equipment to work or add correctly. Now this "can" work since players can buy all unit types where you could not with equipment but there is no reason to believe this wont end in a disaster again.

I see no way to make something more complicated when the easiest fix is to just remove the cash from offending players accounts and take extra care to prevent good deals from happening again.

[HellRaizer]

I can see where you're coming from here but there are 5 unit types (excluding frontline) and its cash, valor indestructible, valor destructible, gold, indestructible. four of which you can buy and one you earn. What would be a sensible way to not make this cluttered and it work right with the current options we have. How do we prevent this from being like the equipment? From how we know with equipment, it just did not work sometimes. Some people even with the newest data set could not even get their equipment to work or add correctly. Now this "can" work since players can buy all unit types where you could not with equipment but there is no reason to believe this wont end in a disaster again.

I see no way to make something more complicated when the easiest fix is to just remove the cash from offending players accounts and take extra care to prevent good deals from happening again.

Using that same logic, to create a "simple script" to remove logic from offending accounts could just as easily end up in a disaster and the issue may still occur again in the future.

You must also remember that people who did use that glitch and already benefited have probably made use of the cash. No doubt people would have invested this cash into capital.. Eg a few 100k of units that can be recycled to recoup cash and valor should they have their cash/valor removed.

Therefore would this "simple fix" now be required to be slightly more complex to identify over time, what said cash for used for.. What about people that used said cash to buy units for FL.. Should their individual FL prizes be removed as the cash that can no longer be reclaimed could not have be used in the first place if it had been removed promptly?

[Pidgeot]

Using that same logic, to create a "simple script" to remove logic from offending accounts could just as easily end up in a disaster and the issue may still occur again in the future.

You must also remember that people who did use that glitch and already benefited have probably made use of the cash. No doubt people would have invested this cash into capital.. Eg a few 100k of units that can be recycled to recoup cash and valor should they have their cash/valor removed.

Therefore would this "simple fix" now be required to be slightly more complex to identify over time, what said cash for used for.. What about people that used said cash to buy units for FL.. Should their individual FL prizes be removed as the cash that can no longer be reclaimed could not have be used in the first place if it had been removed promptly?

This all depends on how far back you want to take this. realistically there is no way to fix this in a way anyone would want. We seen that code work with the valor removal so it can work but something needs to be done to return cash being useful to the game again.

[HellRaizer]

realistically there is no way to fix this in a way anyone would want.

Lets just leave it at that then

[J-manKometh96]

Your "code" did not in fact work as intended for valor. It took from many it shouldn't have, as well as brought the game to its knees (again) as it ran. Haven't we had enough lockouts and lockups?

Thank you Raizer for pointing out the obvious.

[Pidgeot]

Your "code" did not in fact work as intended for valor. It took from many it shouldn't have, as well as brought the game to its knees (again) as it ran. Haven't we had enough lockouts and lockups?

Thank you Raizer for pointing out the obvious.

GREE has said that those who used any valor they generated from the ships was taken away, even if it went to 0. People of course do lie so we can't take it as proof that the code did not work as intended. Lockouts happened because valor exceeded what the servers could handle so that is no fault of the players.

[Pidgeot]

Lets just leave it at that then

Yep but something needs to happen.

[HellRaizer]

I'm in danger of breaking my brick wall or my head

[J-manKometh96]

Yep but something needs to happen.

No, it doesn't. Game over.

[Pidgeot]

No, it doesn't. Game over.

If we want to reclaim some kind of game balance and return a feature to the game that is once again useful, then something needs to happen.

[J-manKometh96]

Just buy more gold. Game over.

[t12pm]

If we want to reclaim some kind of game balance and return a feature to the game that is once again useful, then something needs to happen.

Look at the energy required now, also look at Indy requirements now since so many took advantage of your so called good gold deal, who is paying for that those that didn't take advantage of it,there is no remaining balance at this point. How many have used it for upgrades, prizes they shouldn't have gotten, not to mention faction bonuses the list just goes on and on. How would it all be fixed scrap the game and start over. Any other way will just cause problems

[WBS]

It's needed sometimes. I never cared to be the bigger man when I believe someone is incorrect. If I know for a fact you're wrong, I'm going to attack that. This is really the mindset of the religious and thats because their God see's it the same way. Everything is always taken to the extreme no matter how small the infraction is. Now repaying evil with evil is completely subjective because your ideal of evil is more than likely different my idea of evil but I do believe getting even is sometimes needed.

Evil is not subjective, murder is murder, stealing is stealing. It's not right just because you think it is, no I'm not saying you do. Just like you think it is right to attack what you think is wrong so do others if they feel you are wrong. To say you are the only one right is very self centered. It's about as hypocritical as the new atheist church in southern USA. Kind of hilarious if you ask me, but they aren't religious in any way you know, they just go worship nothing in their belief in nothingness church. Atheism is actually the strangest religion that I know. But we are all welcome to our own beliefs. Is yours more right then mine? Maybe in your own eyes, and it goes the same for anyone else. I'm glad you speak for God and know what he thinks, that's a great ability you have there. Why you are bringing up religion in an app based game I'm not sure, I know you are trying to stereotype and label, you more than likely have something against them. Many of your posts suggest you are a leftist that feels you are owed something. That's the impression I get, but I could be way off.It really doesn't matter if you are, we can argue on here and go get a drink afterwards.

As far as this game it is beyond repair in my belief. They have devalued it way too much to be brought back. If they did a full reset I would quit, I put almost 3 years into my account only to watch gree ruin it. I wouldn't have the ambition to start over, I barely have the ambition to continue playing.

[Pidgeot]

Look at the energy required now, also look at Indy requirements now since so many took advantage of your so called good gold deal, who is paying for that those that didn't take advantage of it,there is no remaining balance at this point. How many have used it for upgrades, prizes they shouldn't have gotten, not to mention faction bonuses the list just goes on and on. How would it all be fixed scrap the game and start over. Any other way will just cause problems

Thats the nature of GREE though. They release a problem and "fix" it by inflating everything. I dont think the gold is the sole offender of it though. These are 7 day LTQs, which we never had before. We asked for less events and we got them, they just extended everything 3 days.

[Pidgeot]

Evil is not subjective, murder is murder, stealing is stealing. It's not right just because you think it is, no I'm not saying you do. Just like you think it is right to attack what you think is wrong so do others if they feel you are wrong. To say you are the only one right is very self centered. It's about as hypocritical as the new atheist church in southern USA. Kind of hilarious if you ask me, but they aren't religious in any way you know, they just go worship nothing in their belief in nothingness church. Atheism is actually the strangest religion that I know. But we are all welcome to our own beliefs. Is yours more right then mine? Maybe in your own eyes, and it goes the same for anyone else. I'm glad you speak for God and know what he thinks, that's a great ability you have there. Why you are bringing up religion in an app based game I'm not sure, I know you are trying to stereotype and label, you more than likely have something against them. Many of your posts suggest you are a leftist that feels you are owed something. That's the impression I get, but I could be way off.It really doesn't matter if you are, we can argue on here and go get a drink afterwards.

As far as this game it is beyond repair in my belief. They have devalued it way too much to be brought back. If they did a full reset I would quit, I put almost 3 years into my account only to watch gree ruin it. I wouldn't have the ambition to start over, I barely have the ambition to continue playing.

Evil is subjective. As a civil society, we have what we call a golden rule of do onto others as you would want done on you. Its a good rule but some people might want you to do hard to them and they dont think anything of it. A general interest is to not kill, not steal etc but each persons views are different. For example, Christians think abortion is evil, I dont think abortion is evil and a lot of people share this same thought. Because of that "evil" is not a true concept because many have different views on what counts as evil. What is murder? Is ALL killing murder or is it when you kill not in self defense? Is it only "murder" when not in self defense and the life is "sentient" so what are you counting as evil here? Stealing is in the same boat. What if you needed to steal to feed yourself and family? The person you stole from would think you committed the most evil thing you could to them but its not evil to you because you needed to eat. You're just trying to survive right? How is that evil? You see the issue here with this right? This is the religious mindset because to God, killing is killing. God don't care why you killed. Same for stealing. You just wanted to eat but now you burn in a lake of fire because to God, there is NEVER a reason to steal so it makes since why Christians would adopt the same mindset.

I'm not saying I'm right and the others are wrong but I'm for what objective and true and thats what Atheist or secular humanist what to achieve. Atheism is not a religion. I dont like the word Atheism because the word sounds religious. Very few Atheist share the same beliefs but we do have one in common and thats that we don't think God or gods exist. The New Atheist Church is a funny one because it was build to mock religions. It serves no other purpose. Its not a place to worship or do any of that because thats not what atheist do.

I cant say my beliefs are superior to yours but that all depends on what yours are. I believe in equality for all, no matter race, gender, political preferences or religion. I also believe in the right of choice and values America was built on. How about you? I don't know you religious background and you could apart of the small percent that supports gay rights and abortion but would you and your family, other in your religious group vote in support of it? Would you vote for an Atheist? If you answer no to any of those then I would say yes, my beliefs are superior to your.

About God, how do you know God is a "he"? have you ever seen him? How does he look? I have a theory of how he looks but what about you? Do you know what God is thinking? Can your mind transcend time and space? Im not stating stereotype here as these are supported by data from what we can see just in america. What is this war on Christmas? Here in Arizona they tried to pass a bill that would it mandatory for everyone to go to church on sunday. Its okay to force your beliefs on others right but when someone questions them its not okay. I know how the game is played.

The game can be repaired and I'm trying to find a way to fix it but J-manKometh96 is right, it is game over. No matter what we do, GREE has to be the one to fix it and all they want is gold. We can either not spend, what I stopped doing and force them to fix it though one of two things can happen. They can fix the problem because they are losing money OR they can shut down the game because its not making money.

[groovy shags]

Republican Arizona Senator Sylvia Allen suggested this week that lawmakers should debate forcing people to attend church services once a week.

One person suggested this idea to the Arizona legislature. "they" did not try to pass a state bill. Just like you Pidgiot, everyone is has an opinion, and an *******!

[legalious]

Please stay on topic.

[groovy shags]

Please stay on topic.

Are any new cash and/or valor units coming out before the game shuts down legal amass? Or am I going to miss out on using my billions of laundered cash and valor points?

[Big John]

I think closing this thread would work.