The end of Heroic Mode.........

[Lord P]

They just couldn't mess with Heroic Mode enough....... it will die quickly now.

From the Facebook page here's what we know about the new version of Heroic Mode:

There will be no more new armors, only old armors already in the game.

If you have the normal version of the old armor leveled up to 35, you'll be able to get the plus version after only 8 crystals. Basically if you already have the normal version of the armor you should be able to get two more versions of the plus if you're strong enough and have the patience to survive the frustrating fragment drop rates.

Gree! NO I don't like this but I'll accept it because one, I have no other choice and two, I'll enjoy getting plus versions of the old armors I have the normal version of. I essentially see this as a softening the blow response for doing away with a special aspect of the game. Heroic Mode was special. Plain and simple. Gree even said very recently that Heroic Mode was so difficult because the Heroic Mode + armor was the rarest armor in the game. OK I agree with that. Heroic Plus was rare and a real b***h to get for free. This is no longer the case, thus bringing in the end of an era. I have every one of the Heroic Plus armors so I can be happy about that but from here on, Heroic Mode is just another way to get chest armors............ you can bet old raid and war armors will soon follow.

Clearly this is an attempt by Gree to conserve resources............... did they really think Heroic Mode was going to be a money cow by the way they started it? Bait and switch is a lousy business strategy and I can only hope they've learned their lesson. Too bad because I really liked Heroic Mode minus the cheesy drop rate. I'll still play it but I won't be talking about it as much as I used to. Luster = gone!

http://i.imgur.com/QCs3Ini.jpg?1 (http://imgur.com/QCs3Ini)

[Regretz]

I agree Lord P, the most recent move to Heroic, starting tomorro by the way, I fear will be the final nail in the coffin. I mean, April Fools is over so this obviously isn't a joke on their part. Pure laziness perhaps?

[kfresh]

I agree Lord P, the most recent move to Heroic, starting tomorro by the way, I fear will be the final nail in the coffin. I mean, April Fools is over so this obviously isn't a joke on their part. Pure laziness perhaps?

How do you know it starts tomorrow?

[WatermelonSeed]

How do you know it starts tomorrow?

https://www.facebook.com/knightsanddragonsgame

[kfresh]

https://www.facebook.com/knightsanddragonsgame

Thank you sir

[legalious]

Hopefully Gree will address the issue. I am curious if someone who has the armor maxed would only need to collect the to make the + version instead of the regular then +.

This could shift the balance as some players were lucky enough to get the armor prior.

[kfresh]

Hopefully Gree will address the issue. I am curious if someone who has the armor maxed would only need to collect the to make the + version instead of the regular then +.

This could shift the balance as some players were lucky enough to get the armor prior.

Very solid point and would be awesome as I have the non+ firestrom. Please keep us updated.

[Kangaroeland]

Two firestorm plusses. Thats worth it ty gree

[Regretz]

I have to say I'm impressed by Gree, I retract my previous statement from my first post. Finally Heroic Mode is changed for the better, I look forward to getting 2 firestorm+ and I welcome this new change. Took ya long enough

[Ant venom]

Well, 2 firestorm + will still not be able to counter DragonForged Armors so why not release like herlequinn, I bet u would make more money, plus it is much more decent. Maybe release Technomancers, don't be cheap, I mean u are already making a decent sum from DragonForged Armors already GREE.

[Pimatsu]

If you have an appropriate level reg. version of the armor already, you will only have to get 8 Starcrystals to craft the + version.

Thanks Gree^^

[Marco_]

Hmm, so if they continue the element pattern, then the two after this one would be water/earth and fire/earth (in no specific order) and people could target fusing for the ones with about 4400-4500 combined for their plus. (don't feel like looking up which that are right now...)
A question point then remains: will they repeat the same armors after the 15 element combos are done or will they then move to higher stat armors and if the latter, after how many more heroics do they run out of higher stat epics to choose from?

[Sent]

Hmm, so if they continue the element pattern, then the two after this one would be water/earth and fire/earth (in no specific order) and people could target fusing for the ones with about 4400-4500 combined for their plus. (don't feel like looking up which that are right now...)
A question point then remains: will they repeat the same armors after the 15 element combos are done or will they then move to higher stat armors and if the latter, after how many more heroics do they run out of higher stat epics to choose from?

Not sure what they'd do for water/earth. Aquatic isn't that great and Dragonkin seems like too much. Fire/earth would probably be Ravage. I have Ravage+ and it's still pretty good.

Also, I'm not sure if people with these epics at Lv 99 (right now) will be able to get the + at 8 crystals since they didn't level them up to 35+ after the heroic release. Knowing GREE, that'd probably be the case.

[Marco_]

Also, I'm not sure if people with these epics at Lv 99 (right now) will be able to get the + at 8 crystals since they didn't level them up to 35+ after the heroic release. Knowing GREE, that'd probably be the case.
What Pimatsu posted was a Gree quote from facebook. So yes, if your armor is already over 35, you will be able to craft the plus from the first 8 crystals. Also according to a facebook post, a beta player got a popup out of the blue about being able to craft the Firestorm+, so I guess that will happen to all Firestorm of level 35 or higher owners once the game restarts for the update.

I think I'll start crafting the mono air epic boss armor from a few weeks ago to do 1 gamble-fuse for Firestorm in a bit under 3 days...

[Kangaroeland]

Good luck Marco!

And Ant Venom i usually ignore your posts because they are so dumb but sometimes im afraid people will take them seriously. Firestorm is (although only slightly) stronger than harlequin, yet a war epic for heroic? Really? I understand your "give everything to me for free naw" pov but thats not very realistic and will hopefully never happen.

[Marco_]

Well, 2 firestorm + will still not be able to counter DragonForged Armors so why not release like herlequinn,
Assuming Gree doesn't troll, but does the full 15 element combo rotation, Harlequinn would be a likely candidate stats-wise for 1 of the 5 linked element heroics to be run after this air/fire and the water/earth and fire/earth. Of course the water/fire combo has a 50% chance of Gree going into troll mode to keep it rarer... :rolleyes:

edit: Why does that rolleyes emoticon look so happy? That's not what rolleyes is. I just typed the code thinking none of the displayed emoticons was rolleyes... :(

[dust92]

This kind of change will be the end of top25 run , lol . Who needs a top25run , when you can get the reg from fusing , then the plus from Heroic mode ? 8 shards in 7 days for a plus is quite easy
I wouldn't say that all top25 will appear in Heroic Mode , but I guess many will
But I will still take this chance . already had a firestom , so 2 more plus is always great

[Lord P]

updated my first post with new info. I'll make more updates as things develop. :(

[Cuffy Meigs]

I think this is good. This is like a current t25 run but for no gems. Well done gree

[Lord P]

OK, so I've gotten over the part about Gree killing Heroic Mode. It's as clear to me as the clock hanging on my wall. So really the only thing left to address is how will they do it?

Gree has put themselves in a bit of a pickle if they intend to keep Heroic Mode going with already available epics......... here's why.

The timing of this is terrible. If Gree is going to keep Heroic Mode in the same stat range then they only have limited epics to choose from. Very limited. Case and point, Heroic Mode+ armors just recently passed the 4400 point stat mark. So to stay in that stat range for the immediate future the only epics that will fit are Harlequin Roguegear+, Firestorm Vanguard+, and Armor of the Peacock+. Then things are going to get hairy for Gree........ tough, tough decisions. Either they will start putting up plus level epics that are a bit greater than the current level of 4400 stat points, they'll start using mono elements again or they'll go below 4400 total stat points. Personally I could live with the higher stat epic plus armors like Undead+, Bonesaw+ and Dragonkin+, but I can't imagine Gree doing something that I actually like so I'll rule that out for now. Lets look at the other options.

Gree could start again with monos. They would fit in the current stat range and armors like Suaric Platemail and Rivenborn Aegis are still not fusible. Nothing about this would be appealing to me. I went through Heroic Mode from the start so I could get to the dual element armors. That's what made Heroic Mode so promising. To go backwards and start at the monos again would turn Heroic Mode into a joke and literal yawn fest. This is one of the things Gree will do if they intend to kill off Heroic Mode sooner than later.

Gree could go below the current total stat points of 4400. This would open up things like Ravage Sheildplate+, Guardian Wargear+ and Earthwarden's Shroud+. This presents a different set of challenges for Gree to keep people even mildly interested. Now you've got epics that have been out for a minute. Worse stats than we've been getting before, everyone and their cousin probably has a few of the normal versions, and getting plus versions will be easy unless Gree shortens Heroic Mode to hours instead of days. Not much appealing about this choice either. This is another one of the things Gree will do if they intend to kill off Heroic Mode sooner than later.

Gree could also throw caution to the wind and do all manner of silliness like use Naga+ even though Heroic Mode already has a water/spirit (a real Heroic Mode armor btw), or Gold Chromatic Mantle+ which no one cares about except the newest of players who still don't know the value or usefulness of epics. Yet another one of the things Gree will do if they intend to kill off Heroic Mode sooner than later.

My guess is Gree will release Firestorm+, Harlequin+ and Peacock+ then stop right there. Time will tell. Sad times ahead unless they decide to go upwards with the stat total. Its the only option that really makes sense if Gree intends to keep Heroic Mode around................ I've grown to have so little faith in the way Gree is handling this game........... sigh.

[Marco_]

Lord P, I see it a bit differently. Mid-range epic+ being more easy to get obsoletes (nearly) every epic non-plus, so the sequence now becomes:
- farm epic boss amors
- fuse them and hope you get armors that are in the expected stats range for Heroic armors
- * if not, re-fuse them unless they are about the best fusion result you can get _and_ need those elements (skimming the fusion armors wiki page, 4100 combined seems the max)
- * if so, yay! Level it to 35 (no need to go further) and you might get an epic+ in the future from Heroic. Now re-fuse that level 35 armor to try and get the other potential "Heroic" armor options.

Repeat that for a while and you bump average stats for mid field and sub-top quite a bit and the big spenders really need to make sure to get enough Dragonforge armors to stay ahead in stats. (curious to know what they'll do with ranks 11- of wars/raids though, since everything really below 4400 combined will likely just be fusion fodder equal to epic boss armors)

tl;dr flooding the game with epic+ and thus creating more need for Dragonforge spending to stay ahead...

[Kangaroeland]

thanks for closing my topic. I see no discussion here

IF you already have firestorm lvl 99 can you craft a plus for 8 crystals.
Its the question everyone has but it doesnt seem like it. Why not?

Does it.work for level 35 and under
Does it have to be levelled once?
Do you understand this is bull**** if thats true?
Are you going to fix this?

Answers please because your facebook account suggests anything above 35 goes. Or only just not 99?

[legalious]

thanks for closing my topic. I see no discussion here

IF you already have firestorm lvl 99 can you craft a plus for 8 crystals.
Its the question everyone has but it doesnt seem like it. Why not?

Does it.work for level 35 and under
Does it have to be levelled once?
Do you understand this is bull**** if thats true?
Are you going to fix this?

Answers please because your facebook account suggests anything above 35 goes. Or only just not 99?

I had posted prior in this thread that the assumption is that if you have the crafted armor above the normal level requirement to craft a + version, then you should be able to craft the + version.

This may not be set in stone as Gree does know people can get this + version done in 1 attempt.

[Kangaroeland]

Shows the normal version for me and i have 2 99/99 firestorms

[Regretz]

Im having the same issue Legalious, I also have a lvl 99 firestorm and its only showing the normal version for me in the armorsmiths. Could u plz look into this, as it must be a mistake if what was posted on FB is true.

[Silent follower]

They (Gree) wrote on their fb pages a few minutes ago, that if you have -Maxed- Firestorms, you need to get all 16 crystals to get the plus version, while if you have a non-maxed Firestorm, level it once over lvl35 and you can do immediately the plus version with just 8 crystals. This is like a bad prank played on us. Some lucky ones will get it very easily, for the rest and majority of us it is like before.

[Kangaroeland]

Knights,

In regards to the reports on crafting the +version of the Firestorm Vanguard during Heroic mode, if you do not have a regular version maxed out before the event, you should be able to level the armor once and it will unlock the +version. If your armor was already maxed out, unfortunately, you will need to go through Heroic mode per normal. This has been fixed for further updates. Those that already have +versions of the armor will need to proceed through Heroic mode in order to craft another +version. We apologize for the inconvenience this may have caused.


Do i have to explain how extremely unfair this piece of ****inn lazy coding is?

[Kangaroeland]

I have 2 lvl 99 firestorms and that makes me unable to craft the plus but someone with a lvl 1-98 can. Right. Do the monkeys run this place on thursdays?

[Regretz]

Wow and here I thought they had finally done something good with Heroic. So, if im correct, we are getting penalized for already maxing out our armors? Isnt that the whole point of this game, collect armors and max them out!? This is a complete outrage. So the people that couldnt afford to max out their firestorms can get 2 + versions, whilst the ones that did such as Kanga and myself, are penalized for maxing ours. Does your team share half a brain between the lot of you!? You do realize how fked up this is, if anything it should be the other way around.

New way to play the game guys, collect armors but DONT max them, itll come back to bite u in the ass. I was excited about gettting a firestorm+, possibly 2 of em, but now im not even gonna bother. I dont want another normal firestorm, and dont wanna kill myself on sleep for 1 + version. Oh but everything is fine, because you're "sorry for the inconvenience." We dont want ur apologies, we want u to actually do things correctly! Thanks, Gree, for once again proving your incompetence. Pathetic. Simply put you guys are all pathetic.

[kfresh]

Gree,

Please do the right thing and make it so that fully lvled Firestorm can also craft the + version after 8 crystals. It makes no sense to penalize your most devoted customers who spend time & money to lvl these armors. I personally spent $50 on chests when I acquired this armor several months ago.

How is it fair that someone who just fused this armor, has an advantage over me in this Heroic event in getting the + version. Stand up to what is right. Otherwise, this is a horrible business decision that will drive a lot of players away.

[Relic]

Hey everyone,

As I mentioned in the stickied thread about the Firestorm Vanguard: Your frustration is understandable and will no doubt be conveyed to the team.

I ask that you please refrain from using insults as it is against our Code of Conduct.

Thank you

[walterhwhite]

All i hear coming from grees mouth is blah blah blah blah suck it up and deal with it. Biggest joke

[roookey1]

There must still have been some players who have never been outraged about Gree!

Just 1 week after 'Player's appreciation month' concluded (I'm still pondering over how and when to thoughtfully invest my 3 prince keys, 20,000 gold and 10 gems!):

Mission accomplished.

[Kangaroeland]

Yay my frustration will be conveyed to the team. Thats awesome! -.-

Didnt help in any previous ****ups so i doubt it will now. Never got me any compensation and never got any lost items back. You have to understand people get bitter. I really thought i was past that but i guess your mon... coders still get on my nerves. This whole failure is so rude to people who took the effort to max their armors which is the whole point of this game. You make an armor people have heroic so they can watch.... nevee mind you know damn well what's wrong please make it right bexbecause this will cause a **** storm and im not done posting

[Marco_]

Gree, just run a query on your database to set Firestorm+ crafting unlocked for every player where Firestorm non-plus in inventory and Firestorm non-plus level >= 35

People probably wouldn't even object too much to it if you need a 30-60 minute maintenance to let the query run in peace without other load...

[Lord P]

Why is it people can't see this is a coding issue? Nothing more. Only reason why people will have a chance to get a plus after 8 crystals is because they couldn't get the fix in the game in time. Has nothing to do with trying to hook anyone up. I unlocked the plus version over the weekend as I was leveling up my second Firestorm, which still isn't maxed. The game has to see you go through the leveling process just like any other Heroic Mode. The game can't do that if your Firestorm was maxed before they put the Firestorm code in the game for Heroic Mode....... and again, this isn't a hook up for the players, it's another "unforeseen" coding error.

If in fact Gree wants to kill off Heroic Mode, this should make plenty of people upset enough to do so................ wickedly smart Gree. Wickedly smart!

[Marco_]

It's more a lack of quality checkers or lack of creative thinking of the quality checkers/not enough beta testing. The "already a maxed non-plus" use case should have come up there...

[Kangaroeland]

Yeah and they posted on facebook you would be able to. Nice advertising

[Relic]

I'm going to lock this thread and have everyone post about the Firestorm Vanguard issue in the thread we have stickied about it. It's easier to have it consolidated.


Here's the link: http://forums.gree.net/showthread.php?115415-Heroic-Mode-Firestorm-Vanguard-Version-5-7-15