Knights and Dragons is no longer a game but an strip act!

[Longbeard]

Just strip bare naked to win!

A detailed analysis of Knights & Dragon shows that you don't have to fight anymore. Just strip every single battle and hope the "enemy" strips as well. That way you get easy into the Top-100.

27 guilds in the Top-100 had less than 50% win ratio.
The worst 6 were:

Rank 18 - gypsy jokers (34%)
Rank 32 - ferda Swerve (24%)
Rank 63 - shadow sentinels (32%)
Rank 67 - air Italia (30%)
Rank 75 - drags (32%)
Rank 93 - Swedish slayers (13%)

They get into the Top-10/25/100 because their large knowledge of who plays in Knights and Dragons, their large alliance. You don't have to be the strongest just know every player and guild and you get out on top.

Time to change the match engine Gree!

[tiffaneeb]

It's true.

[Kangaroeland]

True, cant blame them though. My guild doesnt and we dont rank high in wars usually because of it. If you can give your lower members a t100 or even better a t50 finish for way less effort hmm yeah thats tempting. I would love to see the war system change but dont believe it will.

[Bucataru Bogdan]

Thrue very thrue but nothing can be done as long they dont brake any gree rules. And they are thosee type that take the easiest way and are allot of words to describe maybe in one word :)))

[sturick]

I asked about this during the dev's Q&A and my question was one of the few unanswered.

So there's your answer.

[Lord P]

I played a great game (not to be confused with a strip act) this weekend. Got two Guardian Wargear+ and didn't strip once......... lmao

[Gypsy B - rad]

Oh Longbeard, come on now. Your a former leader of the Jedi Alliance. Are you claiming you didn't strip or that your Alliance didn't particapate in strip wars for all those tt finishes. (We both know the answer to that). Now that you've managed to run that Alliance into the ground you all of a sudden have an ethical issues with the game? See ya next war bud

[Scabs]

The worst part is those who abuse the "strip to 1 fusion boost" tactic. GMs don't even have to dance anymore. No skill required. Zero respect given.

[Phill - Immortal GM]

The worst part is those who abuse the "strip to 1 fusion boost" tactic. GMs don't even have to dance anymore. No skill required. Zero respect given.

You know who started that one, yeah :P?
I know it wasn't RE, but it was EMP lol.


Anyway, stripping has always been part of the game. My own guild doesn't unless we choose to boost runners (and take a loss), yet you will never see us out of the T100. Doesn't mean we hit GMs for 760 pts. 90% of the time we will do one sided strips.

I personally liked the system where the points decreased after time the best. Really was fun having to alter your lineup 15x a battle.

[Lord P]

The worst part is those who abuse the "strip to 1 fusion boost" tactic. GMs don't even have to dance anymore. No skill required. Zero respect given.
They just have to do a different kind of dance...... they strip to 1 fusion boost and you strip to three basic armors. ;)

[Longbeard]

I strip! Never said I did not. Stripping as it was in the past was not the problem. But the win/loss rate is totally off balanced.

With 13% wins top 100? Top 25 with more losses then win? That is not what should happen. K&D turned from a fight game to a naked stripped game.

So the engine is not running as it should. So Gree should change the engine.

[ramuh]

I strip! Never said I did not. Stripping as it was in the past was not the problem. But the win/loss rate is totally off balanced.

With 13% wins top 100? Top 25 with more losses then win? That is not what should happen. K&D turned from a fight game to a naked stripped game.

So the engine is not running as it should. So Gree should change the engine.

It is a game based off points earned not win losses. Its the way it always has been. These guilds put up the gems even for big losses. Dont compain about something you openly admit to doing yourself becausr you dont do it as well as others

[Regretz]

Face it, KnD has never been a game of skill (although in the app store its classified under strategy), its a game about who will spend more. I think its funny when the people in the t10 guilds say how "dedicated and skilled" they r because they can set up strip fighta. Its hilarious. I will admit, I do spend a bit each month on this game, but nothing compared to wat I spend on CoC.

For all u big spenders that say ur so skilled and whatnot bcuz u set up strips and get t10 , play a game that takes real skill where u cant buy a win. CoC for example, my clan is on a 23 win atreak. Thats bcuz we really r dedicated and skilled, not because we can buy a win.

Getting back on topic tho, unfortunately stripping is part of the current war system. U kno Gree wont change it bcuz it turns such a huge profit for them currently. Like I said I do spend a small amount on this game each month because I like it, it has hige potential. If Gree would implement an aspect of the game that took actual skill instead of just cash I, and probably many others, would be inclined to spend a lot more than we do now. Its just too redundant and stake the way it is now, but I have hopes for it so I continue to wait. Cmon Gree!

[Kangaroeland]

You just spoke to me like a gettho chick

I feel weird

[Fossil]

Raise the knight bonus from 10 to 50 each, and adjust the other scoring aspects downward.

[Ant venom]

I still don't understand what the point of this thread is. So Longbeard explains how this game is a strip act and how stripping makes it so that ur win ratio is horrible (no relation whatsoever) then he explains how he strips but the point is the scoring system, Longbeard maybe change the Title cause ur title now has no relation whatsover about your point.

[Longbeard]

It is a game based off points earned not win losses. Its the way it always has been. These guilds put up the gems even for big losses. Dont compain about something you openly admit to doing yourself becausr you dont do it as well as others

It is indeed a game based on points. But in the current setup stripped battles are delivering more points then normal wars. Now, with the new engine, it gets so ridiculous that people don't even wear armors anymore.

Yes, gemming is the key to Knights & Dragons, I have no issue with that. My issue is that the new engine makes a mockery of the game. Just have some epics and 2 fusion armors and stay stripped the whole war. Why do you need new armors? Just get naked and win.

[Kakarot]

Grabing popcorn and waiting for rookeye1's post talking about how awful and soulless stripping is ( I don't strip either and that's not sarcastic speech)

[Ant venom]

Grabing popcorn and waiting for rookeye1's post talking about how awful and soulless stripping is ( I don't strip either and that's not sarcastic speech)

Same here, I can't believe that someone with their right mind would repeat exactly what someone did who got embarassed. I wonder if Longbeard is Roookey1 or her famioy member, maybe husband.

[dust92]

There are many reasons that a guild loose
because they don't have enough online ppl
or they let another guild win ( i.e , they are sure that they will stay in that ribbon or medal , so no need to play hard more )
or they realise that they can't win , so they loose to save gems for another match
the number of matches a guild loose or win doesn't tell you all about how they play . You better understand that , you silly , lol

[Regretz]

@dust

We're talkin about wins/losses compared to final rank in a EW, and ur callin the guilds "loose". What exactly makes a guild "loose", and how does it pertain to this thread?

[dust92]

oh , my bad :) I mean , loose a match . English is not my native language , so sometimes I may have mistake in using words :)

[Ant venom]

@Dust, u mean 'lose'?

[Scabs]

The truth is that Gree can put things in place to prevent stripping, they just choose not to. Think about it. During a strip match, each attack takes a few seconds. Less time per attack means more gems you can spend in an hour. Why would Gree stop that? They make more money because of strips.

Though I know they would never do it, here are some steps Gree can take to eliminate strips:

1. Require GMs and all Officers to always have 3 knights in their arena lineup
2. Do not allow fusion boosts to be equipped for battle
3. Require GMs and Officers of a guild currently ranked in the top 100 to equip 4* armors and up to all 3 knights in their arena lineup

The logic can be tweaked to something to only allow players to equip maxed 4* or higher OR only allow weaker players to equip their 6 strongest armors. Of course as I mentioned earlier, why would Gree take money out of their own pockets by slowing down gem spending?

[Ant venom]

The truth is that Gree can put things in place to prevent stripping, they just choose not to. Think about it. During a strip match, each attack takes a few seconds. Less time per attack means more gems you can spend in an hour. Why would Gree stop that? They make more money because of strips.

Though I know they would never do it, here are some steps Gree can take to eliminate strips:

1. Require GMs and all Officers to always have 3 knights in their arena lineup
2. Do not allow fusion boosts to be equipped for battle
3. Require GMs and Officers of a guild currently ranked in the top 100 to equip 4* armors and up to all 3 knights in their arena lineup

The logic can be tweaked to something to only allow players to equip maxed 4* or higher OR only allow weaker players to equip their 6 strongest armors. Of course as I mentioned earlier, why would Gree take money out of their own pockets by slowing down gem spending?
The problem with your idea is that top 100 is inconsistent and if a stripping guild suddenly gained enough points to gain access into top 100, then it wouldn't be possible for the war to continue.

[Phill - Immortal GM]

The optimal solution is to revert to the decreasing point system.

Anyway:
I already told Longbeard this (of course, it may not apply to the selection he mentioned), but some guilds will run 24/3, despite who is on in intervals of say 2 hours. Not all will wait for x amount of people to declare.
Some guilds, even in T100, have rogues.
Some T100 guilds may not gem and always meet T10 guilds.

I can say that out of our roughly 30 Battles last Epic War, we matched at least 25 T10/25 teams.
(Thanks to Longbeard) I have our W/L percentage, as I don't see why I would keep track of it otherwise - 62%. Considering who we matched, pretty decent.

Now, in order to actually show who does this bad due to stripping and not just has bad matchups, rogues or what soever.
Include into your statistics (This will not be possible to gather without GREE's help by the way):
1. Who did each of these guilds match?
2. How many times did they match these guilds?
3. Which server time was it & how many of their players were online at the time (Use PDT as reference as there is no servertime)
4. How many people have hit at least once on either side
5. How many gems were spent on either side
6. What was the win/loss behavior on each side?


If you compile THIS, you can effectively pin down these guilds and say they are there DUE to stripping. I would say that some of the guilds on that list aren't in the T100 because they stripped, but ONLY in the T100 and not T50 or better BECAUSE they gave away those wins.
Maybe it would be cool to have GREE track all of this info, I know I would sign my guilds up for that.

Surely says more than a simple percentage gathered from a single event.

[roookey1]

Stripping is awful and soulless.

[Ant venom]

Stripping is awful and soulless.

Guys, I told you Roookey1 would come and complain about stripping, she is obviously manipulating Longbeard, lol.

[Kakarot]

Stripping is awful and soulless.

Indeed, but hey seriousy, just that?

[Ant venom]

Indeed, but hey seriousy, just that?

Yeah, I thought she had a 5 page thread complaining about Stripping and whatnot, my bad.

[Ju Nation]

hahaha, stripping is here to stay unless Gree does something about it.

you can definitely do top 10 runs without strips. and also doing it while staying undefeated.

[Phill - Immortal GM]

hahaha, stripping is here to stay unless Gree does something about it.

you can definitely do top 10 runs without strips. and also doing it while staying undefeated.

Yeah man. It's so soulless. I'm glad you don't need to resort to this act Ju! Lol.
Kudos. But honestly, it's a bit tougher on Droid than iOS with hitting that w/o strips. Possible yes, but why pay more and burn out quicker than your opponents if you can just resort to the soulless act, too?

Kudos nonetheless

[foxtrot_uniform]

oh come on LB you're better than this.....I'm sure you have a point somewhere but the way you said it really just seems like sour g****s.

[ColombianThreatMachine]

Face it, KnD has never been a game of skill (although in the app store its classified under strategy), its a game about who will spend more. I think its funny when the people in the t10 guilds say how "dedicated and skilled" they r because they can set up strip fighta. Its hilarious. I will admit, I do spend a bit each month on this game, but nothing compared to wat I spend on CoC.

For all u big spenders that say ur so skilled and whatnot bcuz u set up strips and get t10 , play a game that takes real skill where u cant buy a win. CoC for example, my clan is on a 23 win atreak. Thats bcuz we really r dedicated and skilled, not because we can buy a win.

Getting back on topic tho, unfortunately stripping is part of the current war system. U kno Gree wont change it bcuz it turns such a huge profit for them currently. Like I said I do spend a small amount on this game each month because I like it, it has hige potential. If Gree would implement an aspect of the game that took actual skill instead of just cash I, and probably many others, would be inclined to spend a lot more than we do now. Its just too redundant and stake the way it is now, but I have hopes for it so I continue to wait. Cmon Gree!


It takes skill to form alliances and maintain relationships with those alliances, one false step and the entire alliance can go crashing down. The aspect of this game is good communication, great coordination, leadership and the ability to set an example to everyone else in the guild and alliance. Gree has a niche which no other game can match and they are doing a good job of it.

[Marco_]

It takes skill to form alliances and maintain relationships with those alliances, one false step and the entire alliance can go crashing down. The aspect of this game is good communication, great coordination, leadership and the ability to set an example to everyone else in the guild and alliance.
Technically, that's skill around the game...
Gree didn't really built in any cross-guild communication facilities.

[Scabs]

The chess game outside of the actual game is really the fun part.

As far as stripping, I found it quite comical that gms of most non alliance guilds we matched would almost instantly change and put on fusion boosts. When I see that I think to myself "What's the point in them even playing the game?". During wars, those gms are either stripped to 1 epic, or 1 fusion boost...is that fun? We just beat on those guilds for fun as a lot refused to fight back and "save their gems" for strips. Some even go so far as to calling us names and taunting us because we are attempting to straight up fight them (hey Cadillac Hustlers). It makes no sense, I know. All I could do was laugh at their pathetic efforts to "slow us down", even though we were just having fun with free energy. I did appreciate the handful of guilds that did fight back and actually made the battle interesting. To those guilds, I say thank you.

[Mike WDragon]

The chess game outside of the actual game is really the fun part.

As far as stripping, I found it quite comical that gms of most non alliance guilds we matched would almost instantly change and put on fusion boosts. When I see that I think to myself "What's the point in them even playing the game?". During wars, those gms are either stripped to 1 epic, or 1 fusion boost...is that fun? We just beat on those guilds for fun as a lot refused to fight back and "save their gems" for strips. Some even go so far as to calling us names and taunting us because we are attempting to straight up fight them (hey Cadillac Hustlers). It makes no sense, I know. All I could do was laugh at their pathetic efforts to "slow us down", even though we were just having fun with free energy. I did appreciate the handful of guilds that did fight back and actually made the battle interesting. To those guilds, I say thank you.

Good point, Scabs. I've noticed that too. Even when we are just FTP if a guild feels they can't beat us (or doesn't want to try), they just strip to 1 FBA. So I guess the stripping strategy goes both ways now; to maximize points or to reduce points.

[roookey1]

We started to do it too by last war. I like to 'slow stripper guilds down', but the endless duration of wars (3 days), my fulltime job, family life and other factors (this also applies for our champ and the sentinel) in combination with extremely crappy T500 'rewards' for 3 days of juggling all that makes sexy fusion boost outfit the more economic choice.

Also, if the opposing guild is dedicated to buy the win, it is fun to make it more expensive for them and 'play resistance' for a while - but ultimately, we can't win as we don't buy wins. So again, in such a case it is smarter to save ourselves the precious time and to let the win-buyers do their routine of stupidly dead-beating the same guy over and over for dozens of times. Yeah I know, it's all 'strategy' and requires 'great planning' to do all that, it's just not related to anything that could remotely be called a fair competition or challenge - so it's not interesting or exciting at all anymore once it has become clear the opposing guild will buy their win.

[Regretz]

Hahaha I fully agree with you Rookey. Its fun to mess with the win buyers, we are just using a strategy against their "strategy." It truly is funny to watch them say how it takes so much skill, dedication, planning and all the blah blah blah. The simple fact is it takes nothing more than to senselessly throw your money at the game. No skill, unless you count memorizing your cc # as skill. No dedication, unless you count ignoring family/social life as dedication. As for planning, everyone knows your "secret strategy." Have all the GMs in a chat room to decide when to declare at the same time and hope you get matched against each other. *slow clap* Must be all MD's to come up with such strategic moves. Like I said, CoC takes skill, planning, and dedication. Thats a game where you cant buy a win, it takes actual strategy and teamwork to win. When you can organize a clan on there and win every time, then talk about strategy. This simplistic beating on a stripped GM for hours takes no skill or dedication...

[Ant venom]

Hahaha I fully agree with you Rookey. Its fun to mess with the win buyers, we are just using a strategy against their "strategy." It truly is funny to watch them say how it takes so much skill, dedication, planning and all the blah blah blah. The simple fact is it takes nothing more than to senselessly throw your money at the game. No skill, unless you count memorizing your cc # as skill. No dedication, unless you count ignoring family/social life as dedication. As for planning, everyone knows your "secret strategy." Have all the GMs in a chat room to decide when to declare at the same time and hope you get matched against each other. *slow clap* Must be all MD's to come up with such strategic moves. Like I said, CoC takes skill, planning, and dedication. Thats a game where you cant buy a win, it takes actual strategy and teamwork to win. When you can organize a clan on there and win every time, then talk about strategy. This simplistic beating on a stripped GM for hours takes no skill or dedication...

Yep, I totally agree with you Regretz, I mean what can you really do with pixels(Armors) I mean what is the point in buying pixels and being a dedicated pixel fighter. The funniest part is that people call their Alliance/Guild a 'family', if they were your family, are any of them even have the slightest DNA from you or even any blood from you? If these Alliance/Guilds call themselves a 'family' they will have to answer that question to be a certified 'family'.

Cheers;
Ant venom

[Mike WDragon]

We started to do it too by last war. I like to 'slow stripper guilds down', but the endless duration of wars (3 days), my fulltime job, family life and other factors (this also applies for our champ and the sentinel) in combination with extremely crappy T500 'rewards' for 3 days of juggling all that makes sexy fusion boost outfit the more economic choice.

Also, if the opposing guild is dedicated to buy the win, it is fun to make it more expensive for them and 'play resistance' for a while - but ultimately, we can't win as we don't buy wins. So again, in such a case it is smarter to save ourselves the precious time and to let the win-buyers do their routine of stupidly dead-beating the same guy over and over for dozens of times. Yeah I know, it's all 'strategy' and requires 'great planning' to do all that, it's just not related to anything that could remotely be called a fair competition or challenge - so it's not interesting or exciting at all anymore once it has become clear the opposing guild will buy their win.

So stripping is "awful and soulless" when other guilds do it but an "economic choice" when your guild does it. Got it

[Scabs]

It's obvious to see who has never put together a successful run. If it was as simple as just "buying" your wins, there would be more top guilds instead of so many lower guilds full of chest "wh*r*es".

[roookey1]

@Mike may I kindly remind that it wasn't me who said that stripping is 'awful and soulless'. I wrote it tongue in cheek as someone on the forum said that I would come up with this quote (just read a few posts above mine where I posted that). So I wrote exactly that. :) What I really think is that stripping is stupid, pitiable, obviously gives a delusional feeling of 'greatness' to most of the involved, that it ridicules the actual idea of the game (armor / battle competitions) and that people who 'strip' to win and on top of that, seriously think that win-buying is something they can be proud of, must have an interesting psychological setup.

The thing with now occasionally 'stripping' myself happens after very long and complex analysis of game mechanics, weeks of strategic planning in our guild and a consultation of Stephen Hawking. Basically it follows the principle that behaving smart in a group of monkeys doesn't help anyone. The monkeys will still do what they want and probably even laugh about the smartass among them. To gradually start changing things, the intelligent person has to adapt to the primitive, and behave the same way that feels familiar to them. The funny thing is, if the intelligent person adapts, everything feels more smoothly, it costs less of his precious time and attention, and the opponent/the monkeys go on doing what they always did anyway, they probably won't even realize that their odd behavioral patterns have become even more 'costly'. They may think 'see, now he's doing the same as us, so we were right', missing to realize that the smartass doesn't even seriously participate, but only keeps his investment as small as possible. Also, it's fun playing Circus, to jump around like crazy and do funny things once in a while. But don't worry, most of the time we're still playing 'serious' and will try to make you fail as much as possible so you can only make 4x20 per purchased life extension. ;)

@Scabs priceless reaction, and a great illustration of what I said above, thanks! :D

[Scabs]

I promise I know much more about this "game" than you, roookey. I've been in your shoes. The difference between us is that I ended up making my guild better through merges & alliances. I was tired of fighting for eb armors each week, as you have illustrated. I know the frustration you feel. I decided to do something about it because it was either that or quit. I enjoy the routine of the game and it's a fun hobby for me. I don't spend nearly the amount of money that a lot of top players do, but I am strategic and don't come close to "breaking the bank" on gems. However, being an independent gm of a top 500 guild and being an alliance gm of a regular top 150 guild who also makes top 25, top 10 and top 3 runs is very different. The reason our guilds are successful is because we put in the effort to make them so. Those who complain that it's purely a "buy your wins" are just too blind to see that they are the real reason their guilds don't do so well.

[Regretz]

So Scabs, lets see if I understand the strategy behind this, and please tell me if im wrong. To be "successful" in KnD you must join an alliance, recruit players with lots of gems, and declare at the same time during war so u can strip for each other. Next, mjndlessly mash the attack button on the stripped GM for an hour to see the hard work and dedication pay off. Dam, wayyyy too complicated for me, im out.

[ColombianThreatMachine]

So Scabs, lets see if I understand the strategy behind this, and please tell me if im wrong. To be "successful" in KnD you must join an alliance, recruit players with lots of gems, and declare at the same time during war so u can strip for each other. Next, mjndlessly mash the attack button on the stripped GM for an hour to see the hard work and dedication pay off. Dam, wayyyy too complicated for me, im out.

To each a zone, I play this game because I don't have all day to strategize and plan out an all out attack. Nor do I have the time to micro manage an entire army.... I tried playing game of war because a friend wanted me to play, he even gave me his 2nd best account... and it was simple to understand the concept but I didn't have time to constantly micro manage everything within the game.

Its much easier to send out a text message in line, wait 30 minutes or so for a response and get back to it when you need to. And then once war starts, commit the first couple hours to battling, hit the minimums and then you are done for the entire weekend to hang out with family.

Honestly it sounds like CoC takes much more dedication and strategy, therefore requires more time right?

Recruiting is simple, you just put up a forum post and wait for people to bite. You honestly just sound like a person who dislikes the game and you have your own opinion about tit. You should really just stop playing and hang out on the CoC forums where you will have more fun, rather then bashing a game against many players here who enjoy it.

Everybody knows there is no strategy and this is just a strip match, but I like to use my armors for other things like raids and arenas and even beating up my friends on the friends list. Hey sometimes I even like to purchase chests and see what kind of crappy **** armor I get this time!

[Scabs]

Wars are only half of the events. I've never been a fan of stripping, but you either adapt or you don't. I prefer raids since there's really no way to cheat the system.

[Regretz]

You pretty much summed up the point I was trying to make. There is no skill or dedication required to being in a t10 alliance. It just requires money and time. As for CoC, yes it takes strategy and you cant just buy a win (hence why you gave it up as its too strategic). You finally understand the point im trying to make. As for taking all day to plan an all out attack, if youre good and know strategy it takes a few minutes... far less time than hitting mins in a t10 run. So at that point your argument is invalid. Once you understand the game and become good at it strategically the attacks take no time at all and the effort you put in actually feels rewarding. Also, knowing how to strategically build your base for defense is fun to play with. Pretty sad to see you give up so easily and revert back to this... So since you have finally come to the realization and admit that being in an alliance doesnt require any skill or dedication nonsense, why cant the others? Im just tired of seeing the same people in t10 alliances state how they are better/more dedicated/better strategically because they are constantly in the t10, when really its just the fact that theyre mindlessly throwing more money at the game than other people with half a brain r willing to invest.

And I dont dislike the game, I dislike ignorance and self-righteousness. I see so much of that on these forums, the t10 players posting like theyre so much better than everyone else cuz they maxed out a few cc on gems. The game itsekf is ok, I find it entertaining in a simplistic kind of way. If Gree were to impliment strategy into this game id love it a hell of a lot more and be willing to spend more on it.

[Mike WDragon]

@Mike may I kindly remind that it wasn't me who said that stripping is 'awful and soulless'. I wrote it tongue in cheek as someone on the forum said that I would come up with this quote (just read a few posts above mine where I posted that). So I wrote exactly that. :) What I really think is that stripping is stupid, pitiable, obviously gives a delusional feeling of 'greatness' to most of the involved, that it ridicules the actual idea of the game (armor / battle competitions) and that people who 'strip' to win and on top of that, seriously think that win-buying is something they can be proud of, must have an interesting psychological setup.

The thing with now occasionally 'stripping' myself happens after very long and complex analysis of game mechanics, weeks of strategic planning in our guild and a consultation of Stephen Hawking. Basically it follows the principle that behaving smart in a group of monkeys doesn't help anyone. The monkeys will still do what they want and probably even laugh about the smartass among them. To gradually start changing things, the intelligent person has to adapt to the primitive, and behave the same way that feels familiar to them. The funny thing is, if the intelligent person adapts, everything feels more smoothly, it costs less of his precious time and attention, and the opponent/the monkeys go on doing what they always did anyway, they probably won't even realize that their odd behavioral patterns have become even more 'costly'. They may think 'see, now he's doing the same as us, so we were right', missing to realize that the smartass doesn't even seriously participate, but only keeps his investment as small as possible. Also, it's fun playing Circus, to jump around like crazy and do funny things once in a while. But don't worry, most of the time we're still playing 'serious' and will try to make you fail as much as possible so you can only make 4x20 per purchased life extension. ;)

@Scabs priceless reaction, and a great illustration of what I said above, thanks! :D

Looks like I hit a nerve. Fantastic explanation of why your stripping is justified. So the intelligent (you) can better fit in with the primitive folk (strippers). Almost like Jane Goodall observing the chimpanzees. I applaud your scientific pursuit. Will a paper be published soon with findings?

[legalious]

Please remain on topic and refrain from attacking other forum members and how they choose to play.

[Gypsy B - rad]

Please remain on topic and refrain from attacking other forum members and how they choose to play.

Ummm... You do realize this thread started with an attack on players and how they choose to play the game, right?

[Ant venom]

Please remain on topic and refrain from attacking other forum members and how they choose to play.

I am pretty sure one of the Community Managers or GREE pay you to say that phrase over and over again when there is something that hurts GREE, and I am pretty sure that we are all capable adults and we don't need to be controlled and told what to do by some Moderator who is probably pretending that he or she is working for GREE or something.

[Kangaroeland]

Just go away ant venom you never contribute anything.

Theres so much more to being a good guild or alliance for instance than just declaring on the same time. But i wont explain it to you all because obviously you dont care. Were doing t50 with hardly any gems atm, hows the life in t500?

[Rookeye]

I play KnD because its fun. I'm in a Guild, family of guilds, alliance, etc, because (a) i choose to be, (b) i've built up with them over time, (c) i joined them to help me meet my goals (pick whichever one you like, they're all true at some point).

i strip or dont in wars as i please or as my guild/family/alliance pleases. i know how to play it both ways. i think its funny that you namecall people who strip. *shrug* It--just like FBA wearing--is a choice. i find it to be an economical one...one for my GROUP, as well as for me.

I see people go into battle all wearing the same name to avoid getting hit. is that cowardly or smart? i'll clap and give them the benefit of the doubt.

Back to topic: All your complaints about stripping are futile at the moment...GREE determines what is ethical in this game and what is cheating. i have waited and waited for them to speak on this topic for months, but they remain silent; a tacit agreement that stripping is an accepted battle tactic in KnD. If so, i will use my gems in a fashion that gives me and my guilds the most bang for my buck. Why? Because its MY bucks!

Who is the winner every week, no matter if we strip or no? Gree. They get every dollar.

[legalious]

I am pretty sure one of the Community Managers or GREE pay you to say that phrase over and over again when there is something that hurts GREE

No they don't. It is my choice to post.


and I am pretty sure that we are all capable adults and we don't need to be controlled and told what to do by some Moderator who is probably pretending that he or she is working for GREE or something.

If that were true, I wouldn't have to remind the community. A moderator is here to moderate the forums, and I will continue to do so.

[Gryphter]

I play KnD because its fun. I'm in a Guild, family of guilds, alliance, etc, because (a) i choose to be, (b) i've built up with them over time, (c) i joined them to help me meet my goals (pick whichever one you like, they're all true at some point).

i strip or dont in wars as i please or as my guild/family/alliance pleases. i know how to play it both ways. i think its funny that you namecall people who strip. *shrug* It--just like FBA wearing--is a choice. i find it to be an economical one...one for my GROUP, as well as for me.

I see people go into battle all wearing the same name to avoid getting hit. is that cowardly or smart? i'll clap and give them the benefit of the doubt.

Back to topic: All your complaints about stripping are futile at the moment...GREE determines what is ethical in this game and what is cheating. i have waited and waited for them to speak on this topic for months, but they remain silent; a tacit agreement that stripping is an accepted battle tactic in KnD. If so, i will use my gems in a fashion that gives me and my guilds the most bang for my buck. Why? Because its MY bucks!

Who is the winner every week, no matter if we strip or no? Gree. They get every dollar.

Well said Rookeye.

There are numerous guilds out there that strip/don't strip. Is it any less tactical than the guilds that all sport the same name? I don't think so. Sure it sucks a bit when you are fighting them in a war, but so what? You're not going to win them all regardless. When we buy gems to use in game there is truly only one "winner" that's Gree. We're giving them our money so that we may have whatever advantages going into events.
I honestly think that if you do not like the "strip fights" don't join a guild that participates. Don't like that some guilds form alliances? Don't join a guild that is part of an alliance.
The main purpose here is that KnD is a game. Something to have fun doing.

[Soberranger]

Stripping is for boobs..(ahh see what I did there? :D)

Seriously though, the way the scoring system works now if you were to compete while playing legit...not only would you be shooting yourself in the foot, but youd still likely have to deal with the opposing team dropping to fba to deny you points if you were able to farm them consistantly.

I propose just 2 changes to make wars more enjoyable...1, energy caps at a higher number and replenishes faster....this will benefit f2p players and help compensate times you find yourself sitting with full energy because your guild just finished a war or there aren't enough players on to declare and this small amount of energy won't effect heavy gemmers much.
2, give a one time (per war) bonus sum of points for defeating enemy ranks..(3k each for trinity..5k for all high commanders and another 5k for all commanders) to promote a wider range of acceptable targets...or to get the same effect..scrap the current sentinel system and make all ranks higher than commander be worth 25% less until all commanders have been killed at least once, then the high commanders must be killed for maximum points on sentinel and so on until your guild has managed to kill gc for max points on a GM. I mean you'll still end up farming GM for max points but at least there is some variety there :)

[Marco_]

2, give a one time (per war) bonus sum of points for defeating enemy ranks..(3k each for trinity..5k for all high commanders and another 5k for all commanders) to promote a wider range of acceptable targets...or to get the same effect..scrap the current sentinel system and make all ranks higher than commander be worth 25% less until all commanders have been killed at least once, then the high commanders must be killed for maximum points on sentinel and so on until your guild has managed to kill gc for max points on a GM. I mean you'll still end up farming GM for max points but at least there is some variety there :)
I think expecting Gree to add a bit of strategy at the costs of the gems per minute rate (because of switching targets and armors to counter those targets) is unrealistic...

[Mammakat]

My guild in the android version has been going for 2 months. The first month we were T200 in wars. The second month we have been T100. We don't strip and are not in an alliance. The last wars we had 33 wins 2 losses and ranked 51. We were pushed out of the T50 by the alliances in the last few hours. We found out from another guild that the alliances knew we were a threat and decided to push us out through the strip technique of cheating. When is Gree going to crack down on these cheats?

[roookey1]

Hey, those alliances are like loving families and have brilliant minds working days and nights on 'strategy', think twice before you claim they're cheating!! :rolleyes:

[Viesczy]

I am pretty sure one of the Community Managers or GREE pay you to say that phrase over and over again when there is something that hurts GREE, and I am pretty sure that we are all capable adults and we don't need to be controlled and told what to do by some Moderator who is probably pretending that he or she is working for GREE or something.I know this is an old post, but it's too funny. Which is it? Is the moderator paid by Gree and therefore an employee or is the moderator just pretending to be an employee? It's rare someone contradicts themselves so completely in one sentence.


My guild in the android version has been going for 2 months. The first month we were T200 in wars. The second month we have been T100. We don't strip and are not in an alliance. The last wars we had 33 wins 2 losses and ranked 51. We were pushed out of the T50 by the alliances in the last few hours. We found out from another guild that the alliances knew we were a threat and decided to push us out through the strip technique of cheating. When is Gree going to crack down on these cheats?One, stripping isn't cheating; it doesn't break any portion of the terms of service. And two, some other guild just randomly told you that a big bad wolf, err, alliance thought you were a threat and decided to make a coordinated effort to push you out? Sounds like BS. More likely scenario is an alliance guild or two were going for top 50 and beat you out down the stretch.

I wouldn't say I'm in an alliance but I have ran in them for a couple top runs and I can tell you it's not that sophisticated. There are quite a few idiots in and running alliance guilds, just like you'll find in non alliance guilds. The top are there mostly because they have a plan that works and are able to find lots of people willing to spend the gems and the time to win. Alliances dominated the top of the leaderboards before stripping began, it's nowhere near the sole reason they win now.

[Relic]

I know this is an old post, but it's too funny. Which is it? Is the moderator paid by Gree and therefore an employee or is the moderator just pretending to be an employee? It's rare someone contradicts themselves so completely in one sentence.

One, stripping isn't cheating; it doesn't break any portion of the terms of service. And two, some other guild just randomly told you that a big bad wolf, err, alliance thought you were a threat and decided to make a coordinated effort to push you out? Sounds like BS. More likely scenario is an alliance guild or two were going for top 50 and beat you out down the stretch.

I wouldn't say I'm in an alliance but I have ran in them for a couple top runs and I can tell you it's not that sophisticated. There are quite a few idiots in and running alliance guilds, just like you'll find in non alliance guilds. The top are there mostly because they have a plan that works and are able to find lots of people willing to spend the gems and the time to win. Alliances dominated the top of the leaderboards before stripping began, it's nowhere near the sole reason they win now.

We have volunteer moderators who are players of the game and not employees of GREE. They are here to help the Community Managers, who are paid GREE employees, with the traffic that comes to the forums because there is so much traffic here that it's hard for staff to keep up with it all. Just so you know. :)

[filthymcnasty]

Oh Longbeard, come on now. Your a former leader of the Jedi Alliance. Are you claiming you didn't strip or that your Alliance didn't particapate in strip wars for all those tt finishes. (We both know the answer to that). Now that you've managed to run that Alliance into the ground you all of a sudden have an ethical issues with the game? See ya next war bud

I love u brad

[B Legit]

So the intelligent (you) can better fit in with the primitive folk (strippers).

Get the greatest reward the most efficient way possible...hmm that sounds like the opposite of primitive...but hey, you keep trying to start a fire with a stone and dry grass buddy ;)

I'll use my lighter.

[watermelon]

wait... wait what.. this is a game of skill? of fairness? of justice?

Obviously you have no clue what "pay to win" means

[SBBL Indigo]

wait... wait what.. this is a game of skill? of fairness? of justice?

Obviously you have no clue what "pay to win" means

And neither do you, otherwise you wouldn't have such a massive inferiority complex.

People choose to spend their money on this game. What's it to you and the other trolls? Why all the bashing? We are adults. We can spend our money on whatever we like. You could buy a handbag or a rare comic for £1000 (whatever your thing is) or you could play this game for a few months and have a lot of fun with your fancy new pixels. If you get pleasure out it and can afford it, why the hate. I'm guessing you and Regretz spend all your money on butthurt cream.

Bored of the stripping argument. Who cares. Some people prefer to fight strips and make their minimum early so they can do other things with their weekend. It isn't against the T&Cs. It isn't cheating. Some people prefer to fight non-strip. It's personal choice and if you don't like it, go play with your CoC.

[watermelon]

And neither do you, otherwise you wouldn't have such a massive inferiority complex.

People choose to spend their money on this game. What's it to you and the other trolls? Why all the bashing? We are adults. We can spend our money on whatever we like. You could buy a handbag or a rare comic for £1000 (whatever your thing is) or you could play this game for a few months and have a lot of fun with your fancy new pixels. If you get pleasure out it and can afford it, why the hate. I'm guessing you and Regretz spend all your money on butthurt cream.

Bored of the stripping argument. Who cares. Some people prefer to fight strips and make their minimum early so they can do other things with their weekend. It isn't against the T&Cs. It isn't cheating. Some people prefer to fight non-strip. It's personal choice and if you don't like it, go play with your CoC.

well hello there indigo. Trolling me now?

[Relic]

Can you all please stop insulting each other? I don't want to lock another thread.

[Marco_]

Can you all please stop insulting each other? I don't want to lock another thread.
Well, as long as it's just a coin stacking game, you'll always keep the "it's just coin stacking!" vs "we are very dedicated and efficient coin stackers!" debate... ;)

[Kent Chai]

well hello there indigo. Trolling me now?

Really, there is no right or wrong here. I'm in an Alliance that supports both stripped and non-stripped. The guild that I'm in is a non-strip guild. But I do go to Strip Guild for pushes. Whether strip or non strip, we make our committed min just that it might be slightly expensive due to dancing queen or king...

But the most important thing is we enjoyed the whole process of playing with fellow guild mates. I really dont get it. Why the hate here....if you really dont enjoy the game...find a game that you really enjoy and full stop.

Sorry I dont mean to hurt anyone but I do like the game and hope everyone can play the game with "Fun" in mind.

[roookey1]

Well, as long as it's just a coin stacking game, you'll always keep the "it's just coin stacking!" vs "we are very dedicated and efficient coin stackers!" debate... ;)
made my day!! :D :D :D

[Reversal]

This thread is quite amusing really :)

[roookey1]

I think I read somewhere that even a GM stripped to 1 FB can still give decent points, but that seems to be a rumour

[Kakarot]

I think I read somewhere that even a GM stripped to 1 FB can still give decent points, but that seems to be a rumour

It's a trap... :cool:

[Scabs]

I think I read somewhere that even a GM stripped to 1 FB can still give decent points, but that seems to be a rumour

Counter with 2 or 3 fb (on secondary knights) for 600+ points.

[roookey1]

Unlike you guys, I'm not a habitual stripper, so I really don't know. :cool:

[paddy07]

Unlike you guys, I'm not a habitual stripper, so I really don't know. :cool:

lol. good one.

The game involves stripping, thats how its worked for a while. I don't see an end coming to this anytime soon.