Falcon Raid Rewards

[Heidekraut]

What is really going on here? It's kinda funny and pretty frustrating...it was one thing to give t2 and t3 a plus epic, ok we adjusted in part bc t1 got 2...then the armor tier changed but still t1 got 2 and t2 and 3 got 1...but now t1-3 all get 1+ epic...doesn't that lessen the NEED for t1? It makes it less appealing to fight for so maybe this will be a plus and make t1 cheaper for rainbow since won't be such a need for t1 as the only difference is a few fba, keys and gems...if t2 and 3 are going to get pluses, then t1 should STILL remain getting 2...

[dpalbldelf]

Did you pay attention to the milestone rewards? Pretty much just fusion stones. Who wants that many fusion stones?

[Lord P]

Sweeping changes and still no fusion boost jewelry as milestone rewards. Gree? Nevermind.................

[Ju Nation]

What is really going on here? It's kinda funny and pretty frustrating...it was one thing to give t2 and t3 a plus epic, ok we adjusted in part bc t1 got 2...then the armor tier changed but still t1 got 2 and t2 and 3 got 1...but now t1-3 all get 1+ epic...doesn't that lessen the NEED for t1? It makes it less appealing to fight for so maybe this will be a plus and make t1 cheaper for rainbow since won't be such a need for t1 as the only difference is a few fba, keys and gems...if t2 and 3 are going to get pluses, then t1 should STILL remain getting 2...


exactly, why the heck does the top 3 have the same reward.

this is absurd!!!

[roookey1]

I wasn't aware so far how much of an intelligence test raids and wars have become, as actually everything lower than T10 (not 25 as I thought before) now only 'rewards' with armor that is already obsolete! Demortuis+ was an add-on gift for a chest pack purchase how many months ago, 3?

My guild usually reaches #400-500, so we would receive 4-star armor that is even more obsolete and of less use now than it was 2 weeks ago. :(
Any guild that doesn't have a realistic chance to reach #10 or better but still spends more than a handful of gems must be enemies of their money.

For me as a member of a T500 guild, it will be the first raid in which I can't see myself investing a single gem.

[sturick]

iOS hasn't updated the raid info in the game yet...I'm a bit afraid to see what the changes to the milestones look like.

[Adisty]

Hey, let's keep Heroic Mode a week long, and change the Raid Milestone rewards!


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BO6w28AjyTw/U3kpOOfnHPI/AAAAAAAAOZk/Cwu-vIqeroQ/s1600/plane+crash.gif


:eek:

[Smiley80]

Hey, let's keep Heroic Mode a week long, and change the Raid Milestone rewards!

Yaaahhh

lets eliminate the free gem icon, give regular epics for killing the epic boss that that are weak and cost more to level, ...

on a side note they increased the daily rewards for logging in woot

...Sorry for feeling biter today. Gree did all the right moves to change my wine to vinegar.

Ands what's up with the new guild finding tool. Seems like 100% of the people I invite do not join, which is odd since we are a top 100 guild. bla bla bla bla . where is my wife she knows how to calm me down at least!

[Lord P]

on a side note they increased the daily rewards for logging in woot
Don't get too excited with the daily log in....... it's temporary for Player Appreciation Month. They really do appreciate you. Congrats.

[Stultis]

Don't get too excited with the daily log in....... it's temporary for Player Appreciation Month. They really do appreciate you. Congrats.

What rewards? I have not seen anything other than the usual dailey log in stuff.

[geo81]

I've been saving free gems from arena, EB, wars and raids for almost a year. Finally got enough for a t1 war run. I wanted something special, that not many could get, and totally free. You ruined it. Fk you gree. Kick me from this stupid ass forum I don't care. Peace

[Lord P]

What rewards? I have not seen anything other than the usual dailey log in stuff.
How could you not notice........ I've been dreaming about this every minute since the last player appreciation month event......

Check this out....... You can win 10 arena credits now instead of 5....... Did you hear me? 10 omg

After you wake up (because I know you fainted)......... Are you ready for this?

Now you can win 10 gems............. (I think I'm going to pass out just from saying it).

Gree you made all the hurt go away......... Thanks :confused:

[Sarah 101]

I have one question to gree
I have bought 13 k gems and I'm don't know where I spend them ?
We always do t1 but now why I should spend my gems for t1 ?

[Matanz]

Well gree you just make top players quit why would we keep going t1 if we get same reward as t2 n t3.. It's like giving in the Olympic the same medal for all
T3 it's stupid and will never happen .. And we don't care about fba and keys cause it's useless.

[Regretz]

Never before have I seen so many people whine and cry, and I drop my toddler off at daycare every morning. GROW UP, ITS A GAME! U r all taking this game wayyyyy too seriously, its a game not life. Btw, the new milestone rewards r awesome. The casual players, brought up in a previous thread, were wondering how they would max their epics from eb each week. Now they have a lot more fba from raid milestone rewards to do so. But no, u t10 want to whine and cry the second the casual players get a benefit but not you. Grow up already, dam. Pathetic.

@Matanz
Plz fo not compare KnD to the olympics. Whereas the olympics takes years of hard work, talentx and dedication to achieve a medal, KnD requires u to spend ur paycheck and a lack of a social/family life to achieve a "medal". If ur comparing KnD to the olympics HONESTLY u need to take a break.

[Marco_]

April fool's is over Gree.
Making Epic Boss armors (and war and raid armors for the top) more expensive to level and then taking away fodder armors from raid milestones does not make people spend more on chests and arena to get their fodder armors...
This kind of makes me wonder if 1 of my 3 accounts lagging when finishing crafting and when fusing isn't a bug, but is a "feature" because that account has been crafting plenty of basics and fusing them to 50 EP armors (while the others do not) and so you want to discourage mass making 50 EP armors, since that doesn't generate you income...

@Regretz: below 1 mil milestone points a huge amount of fodder armor points is lost. And later on trading 3* for fusion boosts isn't such a big improvement either.

[Phill - Immortal GM]

Am I the only one that read the DeMortuis+ smacktalk and thought "uhm, it's on par with the most recent F/A T10 EW, stop crying"?

DeMortuis+ is a solid T25 reward, Rook. You can't ALWAYS whine. Sometimes, just accept this. DeMo+ is really solid, and there is interest in it - Trust me.

Olympics... KnD..Yeah no.

However it is amusing that these Raid rewards were adapted a bit for T1.
However, why complain?
For months the EW rewards were inferior to the Raid rewards.
Now it's the other way around.

What shall they do for Top player? Give him a THIRD Mono DF+, which he can't use?
Or give an Obsolete Epic?
Come on guys... I know it sucks it's only 1 DF+ for T1 raids, but what else was there to do? Jackal+ would have been the only other viable option, or perhaps Angelic+.
But would those Non+ be worth it for T10 individual? Nope.

I can't see the system staying.
Just take T1 as usual, and watch what happens before next raid.

[Heidekraut]

Never before have I seen so many people whine and cry, and I drop my toddler off at daycare every morning. GROW UP, ITS A GAME! U r all taking this game wayyyyy too seriously, its a game not life. Btw, the new milestone rewards r awesome. The casual players, brought up in a previous thread, were wondering how they would max their epics from eb each week. Now they have a lot more fba from raid milestone rewards to do so. But no, u t10 want to whine and cry the second the casual players get a benefit but not you. Grow up already, dam. Pathetic.

@Matanz
Plz fo not compare KnD to the olympics. Whereas the olympics takes years of hard work, talentx and dedication to achieve a medal, KnD requires u to spend ur paycheck and a lack of a social/family life to achieve a "medal". If ur comparing KnD to the olympics HONESTLY u need to take a break.


No one is complaining so much for the casual players benefiting, the fuss is over T3 and T2 getting as good reward as T1 (all 3 spenders however T1 spends almost double to stay T1) and therefore T1 rewards should stand out

[Ju Nation]

No one is complaining so much for the casual players benefiting, the fuss is over T3 and T2 getting as good reward as T1 (all 3 spenders however T1 spends almost double to stay T1) and therefore T1 rewards should stand out

totally agree.

the ftp players can get better rewards of course, why not?

the new milestones are also ok, but they took the free 12 energies away.

more fba, why not?

but same reward for t3?

now, that's stupid. this game isnt about being fair to all, especially if you wanna got for top placings.

t1, should have something better than t2-3. you don't see the 2nd and 3rd place getting the same rewards/medals in any competition, game, or as a matter of fact, in anything!

[geo81]

Your right regretz, it is only a game, and now it's not as much fun

[Smiley80]

I took a look at the rewards for the raid yesterday. the actual rewards are increased with more lower levels. the fusion stones suck but they don't take up bag space, and they boosted up the armor rewards with fusion boosts, which also take up less space.

People were complaining of bag space with the raids. I haven't done the math but I am sure the equivalence points is similar when you add up the possibility of the fusion stones and fusion boosts. plus there are more keys in the later level. This is Gree attempt to solving a problem.

[Sarah 101]

Blah blah blah
What we need is to make t1 is good again
Gree you fail
This the last time "we" will buy gems
You runid your game by this stupid idea

[Sarah 101]

I will be very honest
We don't care about free to play players
We don't buy gems to be as same as t3
We don't spend thousand of dollars for that trash
We have motto in rainbow alliance "win all the wars and raids"
I have players with over 20k gems and they want to be always rank 1 like everyone in RA
But you runid it gree
That a very epic fail you have ever made
Fix your game before you lose us all

[roookey1]

@Phill it doesn't matter for me anyway. My guild is only T500, so I couldn't care less whether T10 or 25 consider Demortuis+ a good reward or not.

What I can say for sure though is that the rewards for T500 have become even less interesting with the last war, with the armor level now having been even further devalued. Outdated legendaries for 3 days of war just don't do it. To reach T500 requires quite good activity from a guild, so an epic should be the minimum reward now. Your idea with milestones for wars was a good one.
I am not surprised at all that many guilds and players don't engage in wars anymore once they figured out that war participation is just frustrating (overkilling, win-buying) and doesn't make any difference. It really doesn't matter at the end of the day if we end up #500 and getting a 1 year old legendary or 3 2 year old 3-stars. Wars are an event that is only catering the top 10 guilds anymore, and maybe the few who really don't have anything better than Demortuis+ (T25 mainly consists of gemmers, most of those certainly have it or even something better already).

With raids at least there are the milestones that keep players motivated to make use of their battle energy, but there was disappointment in my guild about the guild rewards. Considering the explosion of stats in the top tiers, we were kinda expecting epics for T500 really.

[Wil Patterson]

The new system is pretty messed up, I mean if you look at scores on ios, T1 always wins by a huge amount, but now the only benefit they get for that is what? 30 more gems and some fba? I mean it's just dumb. I have no problem with ftp people getting stronger, my problem is that I'm spending so much more to stay in first place, but i get the same reward as someone spending much less than me? Doesn't seem right. Gree, "You are suck."

[Lord P]

I sympathize with all my RA peeps who bring it every single week in T1 iOS. This is ultimately going to become a good old fashioned "stand off." You guys will threaten to quit and Gree will tell you they don't care if you quit. So if this is going to become a chicken fight lets see who moves first.

All I can say as a negotiator is that Gree is holding all the cards. They can maintain their position and tank the game. You guys who are funding this machine only have one recourse and that is to take away the money you give Gree every week. If it's enough money perhaps Gree will listen to your complaints. If not they will maintain their position regardless of what you do.

Time to come to the realization that first place no longer means the best armor...... it means the most fusion boost armors, dark prince keys and gems....... Is that really worth fighting for???????

[dpalbldelf]

Lord P,
You are EXACTLY right. The ONLY way to make changed in this game is stopping spending money on those areas that people don't like. RA, I understand you stance and position and would agree with you. If you are spending for top spot, then you should get it, and it should be unique to you. I would challenge all, STOP SPENDING REAL MONEY until Gree listens to our complaints on these forums (and else where). This is the ONLY way you are going to do it. Money talks, plain and simple. Don't like the shorten heroic event (like me)?: Don't spend ONE gem. Don't like the raid milestone rewards, don't spend a gem. etc etc etc. Please don't misconstrue this as me saying "Threaten to quit", or "Quit the game", and such. No, use your free energies for all the events. We all know that Gree tracks our gem spending, gold spending etc. If they see a sudden drop in the metrics they will change. Remember this is business bent on making profits. If we hurt their profits in areas that we do not like, they will change it to make their money back.

[Regretz]

Again tho it doesnt matter if RA is upset. Their fault for spending so much to be t1 all the time. If they step down and stop spending, others will step up to take their spot. There will be no decrease in profits for Gree. For all of u siding with RA, u know their r 50x the people that dislike RA and would happily spend more to see their gems pay off in wars for a change. Sucks but its the truth. So now comes the realization that ur gonna get wat Gree decides u get, which may not be exactly wat u want.

[MisterT]

we were kinda expecting epics for T500 really.


T500 never will be epics

[Phill - Immortal GM]

Considering the explosion of stats in the top tiers, we were kinda expecting epics for T500 really.

Alright. You do that ...

[Kangaroeland]

Just stop playing rookeye. t500 is very mediocre for free to play. My guild is currently 31/40 members hitting only level 2/3 bosses and not using any gems and we are #170. And for such a minor effort i dont expect to be thrown an epic.

T1 should be slightly better than 2/3

And as marco said, no armor for milestones hurts the f2p player who wants to level his eb armor or the kanga player who has no fodder left and a dragonborn to level.

[Sarah 101]

It could be looks like a thriate ..
But give me a game rank 1 has same reward as t3 ..
That is really wrong, we spend thousand in this game and this always try to treat as sh**
Gree fix it please otherwise what the point from rank 1 ?
We don't need 2 dragon
At least let the old system back

[Timothy Strohofer]

Casual players get shafted almost all the time. I think you "hardcore" players can deal with it for one raid boss.

[Rhaegal]

I have no issue with the new raid rewards or milestone rewards.

I'm very very glad to see t10 individual rewards get a Serious upgrade ! And t25 too. Earning those are very very hard.

[Marco_]

And as marco said, no armor for milestones hurts the f2p player who wants to level his eb armor or the kanga player who has no fodder left and a dragonborn to level.

OK, I did some comparing to last raid's milestones:

new raid milestones:

0 - 1.15M

armors: 74 EP earth/air, 90 EP spirit/air, 720 EP FBA air (884 total)
silver keys: 23
gold keys: 3
fusion stones: 50 (potentially 2500 EP)
energy: 16
gems: 33

1.15M - 3.25M
armors: 1800 EP FBA air
gold key: 20
gems: 20

previous raid milestones:

0 - 1.075M

armors: 720 EP water/fire, 950 EP fire/earth, 90 EP fire/earth (1760 total)
silver keys: -
gold keys: 12
fusion stones: 1
energy: 4
gems: 18

1.075M - 3M

armors: 400 EP fire/earth, 450 EP fire/earth (850 total)
gold keys: 5
fusion stones: 4
gems: -

************************************************** ***********
difference 0 - ~1M:
-876 EP in armors (and large chunk mono instead of dual)
+23 silver keys
-9 gold keys
+49 fusion stones (+2450 _potential_ EP)
+15 gems (!)
+12 or +8 energy (!) (for me, the first fight that collected 4 + 4 energy, only credited 8 to my balance on one account and 4 on the other two)

difference 0 - ~3M:
+74 EP in armors (but large chunk mono instead of dual)
+23 silver keys
+6 gold keys
+45 fusion stones (+2250 _potential_ EP)
+35 gems (!)
+12 or +8 energy

The extra energy at the milestones inflates nearly everybody's scores by about 560k or 840k (depending on if it glitched to your disadvantage)
when hitting level 2 raid bosses with recent EB+ and maybe an epic.

So breakeven on the armors a bit before hitting 3M, a bit after if you don't have matching armors to use the FBA on.
There's plenty extra potential EP in the fusion stones, but if like me, you have lag/delay on finishing crafting and on fusing, that doesn't help much... (got 10-15 sec delay per finished crafting armor and similar before picking each armor to fuse. :( )
The extra gems are very nice, but Gree should really check their code to make sure "collecting more than 1 milestone in 1 fight" always goes right.


About top vs rest:

Google Play Store should really ditch the silly "lifetime of the game" download numbers, since they don't really reflect the true popularity of a game... 5-10 million installs on Android, yet:

scoring zero or more points in the raid: 49K players
So the up to 2000 players in the top 50 guilds are actually a sizable up to 4% of raid participants...


Epic boss completion of my 3 account as of about an hour ago:
lvl 6: rank ~50k
lvl 24: rank ~18k
lvl 34: rank ~11k

Looks like probably no more than 60-70k players have logged in on Android in the past few days... (3 of them being me)

[legalious]

After it was all said and done, there was too many silver keys. I lost a lot of armor to boost from and the keys were not giving me other armors. The gold to fusion stone ratio seems too high. Cant get the gold fast enough to use all my 400+ fusion stones. Hopefully the raid rewards get another revamp to include less Stones and Silver Keys.

[Lord P]

Again tho it doesnt matter if RA is upset. Their fault for spending so much to be t1 all the time. If they step down and stop spending, others will step up to take their spot. There will be no decrease in profits for Gree. For all of u siding with RA, u know their r 50x the people that dislike RA and would happily spend more to see their gems pay off in wars for a change. Sucks but its the truth. So now comes the realization that ur gonna get wat Gree decides u get, which may not be exactly wat u want.This is not necessarily true. If the top guild spends 150,000 gems for first place and for whatever reason they stop, the next guild isn't going to spend that much...... the top ten guilds will spend less. This might encourage other guilds to push for t10 but that's bottom of the top 10 money........ nothing about this seems like sure profits. If anything what Gree is doing looks like desperation. Trying to bleed this game for what they can before they pull the plug.

[UP Tide]

I figured since they were offering all these keys for Milestones that the chests were going to be revamped...well I waited and nothing came...So I opened them and got more 1 & 2 star jewelry that I don't need. I forget the exact number, but it was something like 80 some keys total and I got about 50 some odd jewelry and the rest was either 1 or 2 star armor. There already is a jewelry chest, why keep this crap in the armor chests?

[roookey1]

UP Tide, this is the worst time to buy into those chests anyway.

I mean, what can u find in them that will prepare you to deal with the new 6-star armor?
1 mono Dragonforge.
That's it.

Even if a mono would be considered as 'valuable enough', the chance toget exactly this one out of a chest must be somewhere at 1 : 1,000.

If you'd deal with money like that in your job, you'd be fired.