Heroic mode event TO SHORT EXTRIEMLY UNFAIR! GREEd refuses to listen!

[Temba Resident]

I would like to make aq formal complaint to Gree. many people have expressed that 1 week is TO SHORT for heroic mode event. the ONLY way to complete it in a week is to make huge in app purchases use lots of gems for he4alth refills to keep fighting, star shards DO NOT DROP OFTEN ENOUGH to allow us a week to complete the quest!!! we know why you are doing this. TO PANDER TO THE BIG SPENDERS. this is completely unfair and you are ruining the game by refusing to listen to your feed back and serving ONLY the big spenders of this game i am really upset. you have made this game impossible for free players who wish to EARN everything rather then purchase their way through the game!!!!!!! PLEASE EXTEND THE HEROIC MODE EVENT TO AT LEAST 3 WEEKS!!

[Mos20]

It's awesome to see that Gree listened to the majority of players and extended the heroic event this time. Oh wait, they didn't! Great work GREEdy!

[Regretz]

Maybe the drop rate will be better, but I wouldnt count on it knowing Gree.

[SylusBlack]

I would like to make aq formal complaint to Gree. many people have expressed that 1 week is TO SHORT for heroic mode event. the ONLY way to complete it in a week is to make huge in app purchases use lots of gems for he4alth refills to keep fighting, star shards DO NOT DROP OFTEN ENOUGH to allow us a week to complete the quest!!! we know why you are doing this. TO PANDER TO THE BIG SPENDERS. this is completely unfair and you are ruining the game by refusing to listen to your feed back and serving ONLY the big spenders of this game i am really upset. you have made this game impossible for free players who wish to EARN everything rather then purchase their way through the game!!!!!!! PLEASE EXTEND THE HEROIC MODE EVENT TO AT LEAST 3 WEEKS!!

I'm glad you made a formal complaint and not a completely rage induced one full of caps locked words and exclamation points.

Your complaint is level headed and I'm sure just posting on the forum will bring it to the attention of GREE.

[Regretz]

Well on a side note im 7/9 for shard drops atm, so it looks better. Maybe just beginners luck tho, plz post ur drop rates so we can get a feel for wat it is.

[sturick]

Pretty sure the drop rate is skewed at the beginning to provide false hopes of completion. I'm 5/6 in relic ruins thus far.

[Stultis]

Well on a side note im 7/9 for shard drops atm, so it looks better. Maybe just beginners luck tho, plz post ur drop rates so we can get a feel for wat it is.

That is the opposite of mine Relic Ruins 8 runs 2 shards. I hope it improves if not this will suck!

[Bradley Brooks]

Well it looks so far like the drop rate is better... This might be attainable now for the large number of us that can't or refuse to spend a bunch of money on this endeavour. I've got 3 shards in 4 tries so far on the Blazing Inferno area or whatever it's called.

[roookey1]

Drop rate is 1:2 for me so far. But I had the same rate last time and then it turned crazily to my disadvantage so I couldn't even complete the regular stage, although having great armor and spending a hell lot of part of my spare time besides work and family with this crap.

If not even someone having the latest epics can complete the plus version (for an actually inferior armor: the stats of the latest fire epic+ available from chests is 2393/2426) in time without being forced to spend, I seriously suggest Gree removes the "free" tag of its game.

[Temba Resident]

I'm glad you made a formal complaint and not a completely rage induced one full of caps locked words and exclamation points.

Your complaint is level headed and I'm sure just posting on the forum will bring it to the attention of GREE. I'v posted in two threads, this one and the feedback thread, plus the contact us form page. i seem to be having a lot of problems posting to threads today, getting lots of errors.

[Regretz]

I spoke too soon... got the first crystal in 10 runs theb my drop rate turned for the worst. On the second stage im 1 for 5 now... plz dont do this again Gree

[Temba Resident]

I spoke too soon... got the first crystal in 10 runs theb my drop rate turned for the worst. On the second stage im 1 for 5 now... plz dont do this again Gree

It's because gree wants you to spend money on this game.

[Adisty]

Completed relic ruins in 10 runs, am currently 7/8 shards on thieves cove ( more than 14 runs), and 1 shard for 3 runs in KoD.

[leo125]

Just logged on to find Heroic event started 12 hours ago without warning. Time far too short for NORMAL players to complete in the time frame. I managed the Water and Air armours but at 2 weeks the Earth was pushing it. No chance at all last time -perhaps 5 completed shards. Getting more and more geared to Gem spenders .

[Halo Brutes]

again a EPIC FAIL on heroic, no 24hr warning. good job greeDY

[Lord P]

If this holds true to the last Heroic mode, there will be 2 to 4 levels where you have to make at least 30 runs to get all the fragments. Last time Kingdom of Darkness was one of those for me.

[Phill - Immortal GM]

I find it amusing that this is supposedly aimed at BIG spenders.
That isn't the case.

Why? Because Heroic just got useless for the Big Spenders with introduction of DF and DF+.

All they want is to milk the little guys.
I personally find one week too short. Not for me, but for the general player. It's an absolute joke to be frank.

No warning I can live with.
But heck, it's easter weekend and they give us one week? KUDOS.

I can pretty much advance all the way through to 6 or 7 stages with permanent level ups as Commander in guild, but I don't see how this is catered for F2P or Semi-Spend at all.

GREE, again an absolute Joke.
On April 1st as well. NICE lmfao

[Regretz]

Well im absolutely shocked but I agree completely with Phill... this is unprecedented. But yes, Phill summed it up nicely. This isnt for the big spenders as the stats r way inferior to the new DF, but more as a way to make the f2p or casual spenders spend to try and keep up. Bad move Gree...

[sturick]

I won't be stressing myself out trying to get the plus version...I'll happily accept the regular version with zero spend.

[Phill - Immortal GM]

I've been at it for about 80 minutes with small breaks now, Don't know exactly how many runs but at least:
15 on Relic (Done)
10 on Coves (3/8)
20 on Wildwood (5/8)
25-30 on Marsh (4/8)
5 on KoD (0/8)

Take from it what you want, but with those averages I DO NOT see someone that doesn't have Recent War epics do it w/o Gems/Potions in those 7 days.

I have leveled up after using 5 out of 6 Knights every time, using:
Hellguard+, Glacial+, 2x Technomancer+, Peacock+ and 2x Ancestor's Regalia
On this Acc HC in a maxed guild.

GREE, how is a HC or even GM of a 7-8% Bonus guild with Fusible Chest Epics, recent Heroics and all EB+ able to do this?
Come on....

EDIT: Using Maxed 4* Health Bling only (Something not very many people have, this shouldn't be assumed by you as it is very hard to Max Bling as F2P)

[P4R4NO1D]

The Epic Boss is giving out Epics now so its like Heroic mode every week I guess...

[Lord P]

The Epic Boss is giving out Epics now so its like Heroic mode every week I guess...
Not really....... Epic Boss Epic+ is inferior to Heroic Mode Epic armors in every way.

Anyway, I have all the + Heroic Mode armors thus far and for the first time, I don't even care if I get this one. Knowing there is a soon to be coming Fire Dragonforged has killed my desire to get these new epics....... especially if I have to kill myself trying to get it in 7 days. If I get the plus great. If I don't get the plus great. I'm not doing anything special and I sure as hell am not spending a dime to get it.

Terrible job Gree....... way to throw your veteran players under the bus.

[legalious]

I don't mind that the Heroic Mode is short, since I will be getting Epics every week. With the increased fusion rate of epics and now more availability for epics, it should be easier to get stronger.

[Smiley80]

in 2.5 hrs I got the first 14 shards. even if I gem and use potions, I don't think I could make it in time. increase the drop rate please

[The Calling]

I don't mind that the Heroic Mode is short, since I will be getting Epics every week. With the increased fusion rate of epics and now more availability for epics, it should be easier to get stronger.

I think it is great that the epic boss drops epic shards. My only fear is that the market will be "flooded" with epics, which really devalues them as a whole. I get that this was because dragon forged came into play. But now that everyone and their mother will have an epic.

eventually i think all legendary armors will be obsolete as their is no need for them.

I had a hate/love relationships with fusions. There was something about trying to fuse two 4* into a epic, I would curse Gree and the skies when it failed, but loved Gree when it work. Then they made it possible that all 5* fusions would produce a 5*, on the joy I had fusing all my epics in hopes of getting ones I did not have. I fused all day long, and still had the same love/hate relationship. Yet, there was always something great and joy filled about fusing a 4* into a 5*.

Now, that the EB makes epic armor, why even keep the 4* in the game, There is no need for them. We all know that the EB gets stronger each week and thus getting us stronger 5*plus.

DF are the new epics
5* are the new Legendary
4* and below.....who really cares what they are now as they are only good for fodder.

[Lord P]

Legendaries have become the new ultra rare......

Epics have become the new Legendaries.......

So now all your hard work at Heroic Mode will get you a nice shiny Eplegendaryic

enjoy your seven days..........:mad:

[Temba Resident]

I won't be stressing myself out trying to get the plus version...I'll happily accept the regular version with zero spend.

i don't understand how you can do it freeplay, i can't even do it free play, the drop rate is far to lousy, it takes 2 and a half hours for health to regenerate way greedy has it rigged IT'S NOT POSSIBLE.

[Temba Resident]

i don't mind that the heroic mode is short, since i will be getting epics every week. With the increased fusion rate of epics and now more availability for epics, it should be easier to get stronger.
it's to short! Freeplayers can't do it, it's to short, three weeks is what it should be, 1 week is to short. That is how most of us feel. And star shards do not drop often enough.

[Lord P]

i don't understand how you can do it freeplay, i can't even do it free play, the drop rate is far to lousy, it takes 2 and a half hours for health to regenerate way greedy has it rigged IT'S NOT POSSIBLE.
It all depends on how strong you are. I'm doing this one f2p and I've already got 4 crystals. I'll get four more over the next week. It's something to do but Heroic Mode has lost it's luster.

[sturick]

i don't understand how you can do it freeplay, i can't even do it free play, the drop rate is far to lousy, it takes 2 and a half hours for health to regenerate way greedy has it rigged IT'S NOT POSSIBLE.

My drop rate hasn't been atrocious...and I have solid (but not spectacular) armors on all of my knights.

I'm 2 starcrystals in without playing too hard.

[Smiley80]

to me it is just not enough time. I would gem it but I can not play more than 2-3 hrs a week night due to real life. I will play it hard, but time is short.

[Grand-Savage]

Personally I think 10 days is much more appropriate to provide adequate challenge and still allow some wiggle room. However, what I am really frustrated with was the complete lack of notification for the heroic. I didn't find out until hours after it started, even though I had checked the Knights and Dragons Facebook page that very morning, since nothing was posted. Losing a few hours on an already difficult timer simply because Gree can't provide adequate notification is just frustrating.

[P4R4NO1D]

The EB armor base stats are low. I mean 680 and 640 I think? There worth at the end I guess

[P4R4NO1D]

The EB armor base stats are low. I mean 680 and 640 I think? There worth at the end I guess

Dam I overestimated the base stats for the armor,its actually around 550-556 for ATK and for DEF its 620-627

[Kakarot]

Dam I overestimated the base stats for the armor,its actually around 550-556 for ATK and for DEF its 620-627

But there is 99 level so the growth per level is lower which means the stats are spread through more levels to upgrade.

[Kent Chai]

Personally I think 10 days is much more appropriate to provide adequate challenge and still allow some wiggle room. However, what I am really frustrated with was the complete lack of notification for the heroic. I didn't find out until hours after it started, even though I had checked the Knights and Dragons Facebook page that very morning, since nothing was posted. Losing a few hours on an already difficult timer simply because Gree can't provide adequate notification is just frustrating.

Yes. Timing is about everything now to complete the Heroic Quest. If you are thinking of completing Plus...you need to start doing Kingdom of Darkness from Day 1. Complete at least 2 shards per day so you have more than sufficient time to use your 10 friends effectively.

I already started crafting the regular last time...Singapore time of course.

[Marco_]

I don't mind that the Heroic Mode is short, since I will be getting Epics every week. With the increased fusion rate of epics and now more availability for epics, it should be easier to get stronger.
They probably run out of epics to add to the fusion table in a bit and then heroic and EB+ slowly catch up to the best fusion results.
So: more costly EB+ maxing and improvement from fusing getting smaller... But I guess that means that at some point Heroic+ gets more attractive again...

[Marco_]

Just thinking: if 4* + 4* -> 5* odds have really dropped significantly compared to how they were before 5* + 5* -> 100% 5* , then I guess the 4* (mini)boss drops are now worse than the 2* (mini)boss drops, since the latter can kind of be used to set an armor crafting overnight to save a fusion stone compared to fusing 2 basics, while crafting a 4* would kind of be a fusion boost armor with 3 day craft time...

[legalious]

Just thinking: if 4* + 4* -> 5* odds have really dropped significantly compared to how they were before 5* + 5* -> 100% 5*.

Before this weeks epic boss I have never been successful in 5*+5*=5* as I would only get 5*+5*=4*. I guess only some people got the 100% fusion rate?

[Ant venom]

Before this weeks epic boss I have never been successful in 5*+5*=5* as I would only get 5*+5*=4*. I guess only some people got the 100% fusion rate?

Or maybe u didn't update the game yet or haven't played in a while so u just updated? This 5*+5*= guarenteed 5* has been the case for over a month now after the update that came out a month ago.

[legalious]

Or maybe u didn't update the game yet or haven't played in a while so u just updated? This 5*+5*= guarenteed 5* has been the case for over a month now after the update that came out a month ago.

I will try to fuse another one today, but I have been updating when it is ready and been logging in every day for over a year.

[roookey1]

Well that is funny - 'common' players bringing our moderators up to date about the game! ;)

Reminds of what Reversal told in his video. :/

[Ant venom]

Well that is funny - 'common' players bringing our moderators up to date about the game! ;)

Reminds of what Reversal told in his video. :/

Well u can't blame Reversal, I mean his cat has cancer and the cat is going to be let go next week.

Cheers

[legalious]

Well that is funny - 'common' players bringing our moderators up to date about the game! ;)

Reminds of what Reversal told in his video. :/

I rarely fuse my epics and have been hording them because I would rather keep them epic. :P

[Adisty]

I rarely fuse my epics and have been hording them because I would rather keep them epic. :P

Will that change now that EBs are giving Epic armor materials now?

[roookey1]

As mentioned above, epic+epic fusions are returning epics since about a month.

It's just really funny, yet shocking, that even our moderators don't know about that (just as Reversal told that he was treated like every other Gree customer in terms of heads-up information (=nutting at all), despite having done so much for the popularity of this game). In the professional gaming world software companies are working their @sses off to keep those multipliers and social media guys happy and excited about the game, giving them months of heads up etc. to make them help promoting those changes and new features, just see how well PewDiePie is doing. Here, Gree has opened up a whole lot of social media channels during the last months, but what are they doing with all the tons of feedback they are getting: at least as it looks so far, they are ignoring it completely, but without warning, throwing some new, crazy changes on us a regular basis. It is really very hard to understand what's the logic or goal behind all this, I'm totally puzzled. And it is so telling that on all our recent complaints and concerns, there hasn't been a single official response or explanation by Gree.

[Lord P]

As mentioned above, epic+epic fusions are returning epics since about a month.

It's just really funny, yet shocking, that even our moderators don't know about that (just as Reversal told that he was treated like every other Gree customer in terms of heads-up information (=nutting at all), despite having done so much for the popularity of this game). In the professional gaming world software companies are working their @sses off to keep those multipliers and social media guys happy and excited about the game, giving them months of heads up etc. to make them help promoting those changes and new features, just see how well PewDiePie is doing. Here, Gree has opened up a whole lot of social media channels during the last months, but what are they doing with all the tons of feedback they are getting: at least as it looks so far, they are ignoring it completely, but without warning, throwing some new, crazy changes on us a regular basis. It is really very hard to understand what's the logic or goal behind all this, I'm totally puzzled. And it is so telling that on all our recent complaints and concerns, there hasn't been a single official response or explanation by Gree.
The life expectancy of this game is about 6-12 months. Gree has a timetable and they're gonna bleed this thing for everything they can before they kill it.

[sdjet]

The life expectancy of this game is about 6-12 months. Gree has a timetable and they're gonna bleed this thing for everything they can before they kill it.

is this true? I dont want to play a game that is destined to shut down. Like how CL died, which is first game I ever played that got shut down. Where is that 6-12 months come from? can you reference that?

[roookey1]

They should sell it. I'm sure another game company would jump on it and could bring it back to glory with relatively little effort. And there's enough feedback from users to assure tons of ideas and improvements for the next years to come.
The game is a cash cow - cleverly managed, they could make a multiple of what they are making now with it. Instead they reduce the potential number of spenders by the week. No need to ruin it completely, the concept is genius, and there is still enough of a user base to push it up again if management understands how to make them happy.

[Lord P]

is this true? I dont want to play a game that is destined to shut down. Like how CL died, which is first game I ever played that got shut down. Where is that 6-12 months come from? can you reference that?This is my own opinion unless I actually know what I'm talking about. The handwriting is on the wall.

[Smiley80]

day 1: 14 shards in 2.5 hrs
day 2: 19 shards in 3.5 hrs (33 shards total)

I use potions, friends and a couple gems so far. Time will be the issue. I have high end gear (recent T10) and Full HC guild bonus. Bla bla Bla Bla. Hopefully the Easter bunny will poop out a better drop rate.

[Stultis]

day 1: 14 shards in 2.5 hrs
day 2: 19 shards in 3.5 hrs (33 shards total)

I use potions, friends and a couple gems so far. Time will be the issue. I have high end gear (recent T10) and Full HC guild bonus. Bla bla Bla Bla. Hopefully the Easter bunny will poop out a better drop rate.

I feel your pain. I have spent all day fighting and now have a total of , drum roll please, 5 shards in sparkling steppes and 1 shard in blazing tides. This after having great success on day 1 (2.5 fragments) and day 2 (6.5 fragments). My gear is only the plus versions of the other heroic mode armor. I have spent maybe 15 gems and 7 potions. I have used all of my friends for each day.

[dust92]

Finished the regular . and have abt 21 more fragments from different areas ( KoD 7/8 ) . No gemming , of course . and my armors are not something to be called " too strong "
I have no trouble with this one week event . guys , start farming smartly instead of crying and complaining ;))

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[Mos20]

Finished the regular . and have abt 21 more fragments from different areas ( KoD 7/8 ) . No gemming , of course . and my armors are not something to be called " too strong "
I have no trouble with this one week event . guys , start farming smartly instead of crying and complaining ;))

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Or just give up sleep and any family or social life, right?

[dust92]

Or just give up sleep and any family or social life, right?
I dunno why , but you guys always say bad things if someone else can do something you can't , right ? My life is fine , and I am not addicted to KnD
I just need to log in every 2.5 hours , and play in 10 minutes , then get back to my work . does it sound unbelievable to you ?
As I said , you just need to play smartly , bud . You better stop complaining and saying stupid things about someone you don't even know . in this case , that guy is me :) because that's really impolite

[Phill - Immortal GM]

My droprate is still at roughly 15% overall for this one. Will finish as I can go nonstop whenever I choose to due to armor.
But imagine if I had to wait 2.5h after dropping my Energy o.O would I even get the regular? lol.

[dust92]

Lol . Phil . I don't think you need this Heroic plus . I believe you have much more powerful armors from top run , right ? :))

[Marco_]

I just need to log in every 2.5 hours , and play in 10 minutes
And most people can't/don't want to schedule their life around a game that much.
But all these games intentionally have these short maximums instead of for ex. only maxing out after 24 hours. And the more different "max" times you give, the more obsessive the players need to log in.

@rookey1: mobile games business plan (not just this game/company) seems to be: "maximise profit with a skeleton staff and if players quit, there's this pool of billions of people who might stumble onto our game on Google Play Store, iTunes or video ads in other games."
While PC/console game seem to have a bit more of "please the players in the hopes they buy the next game we release/buy the DLC" compared to mobile games.
I guess upfront payments from players makes for more caring game companies than the freemium model...

[Smiley80]

day 1: 14 shards in 2.5 hrs
day 2: 19 shards in 3.5 hrs (33 shards total).

Day 3: 26 shard in 4.5 hrs (59 shards total)

Just missing 5 shards to craft the regular epic. it will have taken me 11.5hrs of continuous playing to get the regular epic. I use potions, friends and 10 gems so far. Time will be the issue if I take 1 day off. I have high end gear (recent T10) and Full HC guild bonus. Bla bla Bla Bla. Hopefully the Easter bunny will poop out a better drop rate.

It is doable, but you have to put your life on hold.

[Phill - Immortal GM]

Lol . Phil . I don't think you need this Heroic plus . I believe you have much more powerful armors from top run , right ? :))

Yes, but it's first of all a nice collectors piece, second of all is it the only feature where you actually play the game itself - So might as well get it :p

[Kangaroeland]

Or just give up sleep and any family or social life, right?

The jealousy drips from your words. Sad to see you only thrive on bashing others. Maybe try do do heroic once, might be easier than you think. I for one am far too lazy for it and have accepted this will result in me getting none of the heroic armors.

Edit: and nice going dust92, i wish i had the will to do so ;)

[WatermelonSeed]

I'm surprised no one has yet mentioned the slightly better guaranteed Mono Fire Epic+ you get from this L.E. Chest, and the chance to get an even STRONGER Mono Fire Dragonforged armor.

I actually decided to try this chest and got the guaranteed Epic+ , and I got lucky and got the DF armor too. No reason to do Heroic Mode now. Happy Easter everyone!

[Mos20]

The jealousy drips from your words. Sad to see you only thrive on bashing others. Maybe try do do heroic once, might be easier than you think. I for one am far too lazy for it and have accepted this will result in me getting none of the heroic armors.

Edit: and nice going dust92, i wish i had the will to do so ;)

No jealousy here buddy, just an observation. And for the record, I have completed all but the last Heroic, last one I fell 3 crystals short. This time I have pushed a bit harder and even used a few gems "shock" 😱 but my point in previous post was that the average player without recent T10 Epics can only complete if they spend or commit a BIG chunk of their time to trying to finish in the measly 7 days. And let's be honest, those peeps probs don't even need it anyway. Something that is now quite devalued due to Dragonforged should not be inaccessible to the average 100+ player with reasonable armor. P.S. I don't set my alarm for every 2.5 hrs while I'm sleeping, guess that's where I'm going wrong.

[roookey1]

Fully agreed Mos20.

Me, I have suspended grinding for Heroic mode 2 days ago when it was realistic to say that I wouldn't make it to the plus version in time - I have enough stress in my life and don't need additional doses of it. Ironically enough, that's actually why I had installed the game at the first place - to have distraction and relaxation!

The plus armor is about on par or slightly weaker than the one I already have, so it feels kinda stupid that I don't face any chance with it unless I neglect my family or job. It kinda put me off and took my motivation away. Consequence: no gems at all for Gree (while I have spent some during the first two Raid events).

[Regretz]

35 tries on Caballero Desert and 6 shards... wtf is this Gree!? Easter Sunday and this is wat we get!?!? I can understand making heroic difficult, but with drop rates like this im not gonna ignore my personal life for ur game! Seriously turning me away from this game for good...

[Dave3d]

This has been the first heroic I have been able to get to the non+ version, since the first heroic event. And, I used all of my health packs (70-something-ish) + gemming to get health.
I have been playing all day, and sometimes late into the night, just to get 1 of my chars to the NON+ (8 starcrystals).
My droprate has been about 3-4 shards a day, besides the first 2 levels which went by in like 2 hours getting all 16 shards. But since then, nadda.
:(

On my other char, the drop rates have been about 3 shards a day, no matter the level. He isnt even close to getting the non+ yet.
Sigh.

[KingJason666]

Greedy of no cash from me for heroic.

It's a joke. Wake up

[dpalbldelf]

KingJason666, that is exactly it. Gree changed it to 7 days and people gemmed/spend money to get it. They have kept it because people continue to spend for it. As long as people continue to do so they will continue to keep it the same. If the masses would just realize this and come together then we can affect change. Until we hurt Gree with the only means available, reduction in profits, they will continue to do things such as this.

[Ant venom]

Yes agreed, GREE has always been a company about profits and money with a GREEdy billionaire CEO/Founder, droppong games when they dont make enough profit and implementing games so that they make more and focusing on money-making games. The company wont last long if they keep on with the direction they are going at. Heroic Armors arent really worth it if u compare it with the 6* DF armors nowadays. I will not go for Heroic anymore until they extend the duration to at least 10 days and they improve the drop rates.

Cheers;
Ant venom

[dust92]

for any of you need a proof that the Heroic Mode is doable . No gemming , honestly
Gree is a company , and they need profits to keep their job running , just like any normal companies . They don't set the amount ppl pay . We do it ourselves . You can choose to pay how much you want , as long as it makes you feel comfortable . No one asks you to spend too much time or money on this game . you decide everything .
Why do you complain so much abt some free epics ? because you can't get it easily ?
Noone said that Heroic epics are easy to get . They are only said to be free . And up to now , that thing is still right . It is free for ppl who play for it , not ask for it .
and don't say sth about " I have work , I'm busy with family , I don't have time ... " Because if you really have so many troubles to deal with , then you really need to focus on them , not on this hardest mode of the game . There are a lot of ways to entertain in this game , beside Heroics mode :)
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[MisterT]

and don't say sth about " I have work , I'm busy with family , I don't have time ... " Because if you really have so many troubles to deal with , then you really need to focus on them , not on this hardest mode of the game . There are a lot of ways to entertain in this game , beside Heroics mode :)


Well if you work 8 hours per day, you miss a lot of time to play.

[Cuffy Meigs]

The old system where epic +epic= usually four star maybe 5 star was difficult. The game didnt allow you to receive one of the epics you combined as a result, so chances were very low as the number of 4* armors available as a result dwarfed the number of epics less input epics were left.
Since gree added so many epics now for fusion you would still have a better chance at receiving an epic now than you would have had before.
Gree added the epic+epic =epic. This is good. You can only wear 2 mono armors in any line up, and any very low epics ( moontide, blaze, tectonic etc) are now guarenteed when fused to give you an upgrade.
The situation where the OP received anything less than an epic seems unlikely as nobody has reported the same results as them. You prob mis selected.
Try again.
Ess

[southpaw29]

I would like to make aq formal complaint to Gree. many people have expressed that 1 week is TO SHORT for heroic mode event. the ONLY way to complete it in a week is to make huge in app purchases use lots of gems for he4alth refills to keep fighting, star shards DO NOT DROP OFTEN ENOUGH to allow us a week to complete the quest!!! we know why you are doing this. TO PANDER TO THE BIG SPENDERS. this is completely unfair and you are ruining the game by refusing to listen to your feed back and serving ONLY the big spenders of this game i am really upset. you have made this game impossible for free players who wish to EARN everything rather then purchase their way through the game!!!!!!! PLEASE EXTEND THE HEROIC MODE EVENT TO AT LEAST 3 WEEKS!!

This game is meant to make GREE money. They run a 7 day heroic mode because 1. They purposely make it hard so that you will have to spend gems to get the necessary shards. 2. GREE is in this to make money not to listen nor cater to us.

The gem spenders will always spend to get the armors they want, so why would GREE change anything. You want to make sure they make changes? Do what we did on another game a couple years back. The developers took away a game item they gave away in the first place as a reward because, as they put it "It made getting almost every quest completed in record time a reality." Players banded together and a game wide boycott of all items that cost real money was somehow put in place and adhered to for 3 days....The developers went 3 days with very little revenue and returned the item during the 3rd day. That of course would never work here with all the deep pocket players, but you have to find a way, besides venting in public forums they neither read nor care about. Good Luck.

[roookey1]

Exactly.

That's why I stopped to buy gems since they introduced the 6-stars. And who wants to open the current 'Degenerated Chest' for shyteloads of money when the only new armor it holds is useless mono armor? It will take 2-3 months until the ridiculous chance of something even dropping will at least result in anything of 'value'.
But where are the fun parts that are remaining in the game as of today for a player who is L100+ and not ready to buy wins? Why should he invest in yet another level of armor inflation? Everything has been messed up lately and/or is rigged, only raids promise some fun and return something of value for the time spent on them. But I can't use any of these materials as my armory is so full, can't craft anything anymore since months (and didn't get my hands on anything interesting either, only that would have made it worthwhile to free up space).

I find myself thinking that now would be a good time to start the exit process: instead of trying to stay on par with this next level of armor stats, to stop investing (in order not to have to write off too much money and time, which is a big holdoff for many, including myself) and leave once the unavoidable frustrations will take away the last remaining moments of joy with K&D.

On a side-note: with all those patronizing reports from players who have 'mastered' the plus version of Heroic mode: I'm looking forward to the reports when you will tell us how ('honestly' though!) you didn't spend any gems although you will have used up all your potions. lol

[greenwing]

The most boring part of heroic mode is the drop rate. If that would be anywhere predictable you could make the choice to either go for an armor or not. But now it depends way too much on luck. Last heroic mode I needed 18 tries on the kingdom before 1 piece dropped, so I skipped the whole event because there is no way I can catch up to that without gemming. This event I got it in 10 tries but now I am getting very tired because of the droprate in some of the other parts. I am not sure if a next heroic event I will even start it with the droprates. It is just to annoying to do a level ovcer and over again without any progress. I still might make it this event (+/- 100 potions) but only because the more difficult levels were easy on the droprates.

[Lord P]

My thoughts for this month's heroic mode. My only determined outcome was to get the normal version. Got that rather quickly so I figured I'd at least be consistent for the rest of the event. Turns out I started crafting the plus yesterday after spending 100 potions and 20 gems. I wanted to keep it totally gem free but since I got over 100 gems last week just from playing the game, I don't feel too bad about it. If I didn't have to work today (the last day of the event) I might have finished without spending any gems.

With two Ancestors and two Technomancers, (top of the line raid and war armor) this Heroic Mode was easier than last month's. Could solo Kingdom of Darkness with my three knights and just one friend. My advice going forward for anyone doing the f2p thing...... fuse two Dragonborns and an Apocalypse Platemail. You might have a shot at soloing the KOD stage with just one friend. That means you'll have ten chances a day (at least) to get a fragment. Keep in mind that the plus version is no longer for the casual player unless spending quite a few gems. Gree wants gems so if you want the plus version chances are you're either going to spend gems on good armor to get the Heroic plus or you're going to spend gems getting the Heroic plus. Like I said before, two Dragonborns and an Apocalypse might be enough but I'm not sure. If you don't have good armor don't even think about the plus version unless you have plenty of gems to burn.

I am very much looking forward to dual elements and maybe even a Starmetal Heroic Mode. Just hoping Gree doesn't get more stupid and shorten the event even further.

[Smiley80]

This was painful. I finally achieved it, but painful. I logged a little over 30 hrs of continuous gameplay. (11.5 hrs for regular and 18.5hrs for heroic). This was too intense. Heroic was longer due to bad drop rate, taking more damage and scoring 7Million+ raid war points on free energy.

I used ALL my friends, 250 potions and about 35 gems.

I personally don't care about the potions or gems I waste, it is more of a time issue. 30hrs in 7 days of grinding sucks and I'm a compulsive player. If it wasn't for Monday being a holiday (Easter Monday) I would have not achieved it.

On Monday I totally changed my strategy around. I would 3 man the KoD stage. I would easily clear 4/6 stages and die on the 5th boss. I would pay 5 gems to get full heath back and finish off the stage with only one guy dead. This freed up my Friends for all the other levels and would help me level up quicker. KoD was a boring 8/14 for me (gave me 4 fusion stones as a reward, /cry). the worse one was the swamp for which I went 8/25 very very frustrating. best one was the relic 8/9.

i'm ok with making the epic+ hard to get, but I have epic 12 max epics and 4 epic+, Almost all being more recent the demortus robes. I should not be having this much difficulty getting the epic+. Gems and potions are a major boost, but time is the issue.

If you do not want to make it a longer event here is my alternate suggestion: Increase the drop rate by 25% and increase the boss/mobs attack/defense by 25%. for someone with lots of gems and potions this will reduce the time to 30 hrs to 21.5 hrs, which is more manageable. Only the strong with gems will be able to beat it or people with weaker armors and large gem pools. I think you are loosing a large number of players due to the duration/droprate.

[Scabs]

Screw Heroic. Drop rate should be 100% if the boss is finished with a special if they are going to keep it to 1 week.

[NWO The Fallen]

I haven't had any issues with heroic. Just the small drop rate issues but it is doable. Use your friends and switch around your armors. Leveling up helps the most. Full health after each lv

[Mos20]

Well I got the plus version with about 6hrs to spare but with the bad drop rates I spent way too much time on completing it for my liking. If it stays at 7 days I will only be pushing for good dual elements from now on, that is assuming they have any. With the release of Dragonforged and Epics & Epic+ from Epic Boss it's really not worth the time, effort and frustration.

[greenwing]

I finished mine, but it costs way too much time. Next event I will only work on the regular and not even try the + unless they decide to increase the droprate. Getting no drop after no drop is just too annoying and I play this game for fun.

[London Knight]

I managed to get the plus with around 4 hours to spare. Three others in my Guild got it just before the deadline by Gemming. I had I only 41 potions at the start, so had to use around 160-180 Gems in total. I noticed that once you get past Guardian Crossing and/or had the Std version crafting, the MAXIMUM number of Crystals you could get a day was 2. No matter how many tries after this, no fragments. This seemed to 'reset' after every 24 hours of the event. After 9pm UK time - the start time of Heroic mode here - I'd get many fragments in quick succession. I'll see if this holds true for next Heroic Mode. I suggest others experiment & see if this is correct & thus save time & Gems on fruitless attempts. Good luck guys.

[Lord P]

Just started leveling my plus up to 50........ is it just me or does the permanent flame coming off the weapon look cheesy? There's already a flame effect coming from the epic so why add that cartoonish looking flame?

[WatermelonSeed]

Hey guys! NEW Heroic mode just started!!

[Kangaroeland]

And its one week. Awesome

[Phill - Immortal GM]

And its one week. Awesome
Yay!
Oh wait. I got better things to do. God damn it, if they had announced it, they might have lured out 10 gems =o!

[legalious]

Yay!
Oh wait. I got better things to do. God damn it, if they had announced it, they might have lured out 10 gems =o!

Would a 24 hrs advance notice help? I think it would.

[Regretz]

Another heroic so quickly after the last? Cmon, give us a break plz... and make it 10 days stop giving us a week. This is their way of trying to make us play 24/7 lol

[Peter Sandelis]

They day they extend Heroic Mode is the day DragonForged Armors become craftable. :mad:

[Regretz]

This game is becoming way too time consuming... 2 day break inbetween heroic events? And I bet *knock on wood* the drop rate is even worse now since this is a dual element heroic

[Peter Sandelis]

It is.


What's worse, GREE(d) may eventually make it so that you must pay GEMS to do the heroic stages.

[Phill - Immortal GM]

Would a 24 hrs advance notice help? I think it would.

Exactly where I was heading.
I had a few meetings to prepare for and left it for the weekend knowing I had some time before war.
Well. THANKS :'D

[Marco_]

Lol, first "epic boss" epic is water/spirit, then just a few days later trololol heroic armor is water/spirit with much better stats on the non-plus than on the epic boss+...
Moral of the story: wait 2 weeks to craft even if you like an epic boss armor's elements?

[Smiley80]

I have two evenings I can't play K&D, guess no epic+ for me. Time is still the limiting factor. Good luck everyone else.

[roookey1]

Another Heroic without me.

I have already spent too much on this game until about 2 months before - since the release of Dragonforge and the cutting of Heroic mode to an insane 7 days my purse really recovered. Thank you Greed. :)

[London Knight]

I have two evenings I can't play K&D, guess no epic+ for me. Time is still the limiting factor. Good luck everyone else.

Even being able to play 24/7 didn't seem to help much. I got ZERO drops at the Citadel in first 6 Days, despite multiple tries with my new Crystal Dragonplate+. At beginning of the last of the Event I got 5 fragments there in a row!!! Something screwy going on with the 'random' drop rate! :-/ I got all 16 Crystals 14 hours before the end - as opposed to 5 hours last time. Only myself (GM) & Guild Champion managed to get + version, which is by far the worst Guild result yet for Heroic mode. A lot of disappointed people I can tell you ... :-(

[Lord P]

Gree said during their Q&A that they weren't changing anything as long as people kept playing and receiving the normal version of the Heroic Mode armor.

Interpret that however you will.

[dpalbldelf]

Lord P, you are correct that it's interpretation but the quote is "As long as players actively participate with the current setup we have no plans on extending Heroic Mode."
My understanding is that as long as players spend gems on the event then it will stay the same. Let's face it, most people are gemming to get the + version. What we need is for people to NOT gem AT ALL for regular or plus for one or two heroic events. Money talks, plain and simple. I for one refuse to spend 1 gem on this event now, regular or +. I will participate in an attempt to get the regular and +, but again with no gems spent. Sadly too many people will continue to gem/spend money on this event which perpetuates the problem. I have no bones with those that are able to get the plus without gems. I think that is great! I wish I could. We as the customers are the only solution to this problem, and as stated we have to stop spending to solve it.

[Lord P]

Lord P, you are correct that it's interpretation but the quote is "As long as players actively participate with the current setup we have no plans on extending Heroic Mode."
My understanding is that as long as players spend gems on the event then it will stay the same. Let's face it, most people are gemming to get the + version. What we need is for people to NOT gem AT ALL for regular or plus for one or two heroic events. Money talks, plain and simple. I for one refuse to spend 1 gem on this event now, regular or +. I will participate in an attempt to get the regular and +, but again with no gems spent. Sadly too many people will continue to gem/spend money on this event which perpetuates the problem. I have no bones with those that are able to get the plus without gems. I think that is great! I wish I could. We as the customers are the only solution to this problem, and as stated we have to stop spending to solve it.
I feel you. I have all the plus Heroic Mode armors but I had to start spending a few gems beginning with the Dragonmail. Now that we've finally gotten to the dual elements I must say that I've softened up my stance on no gems for Heroic Plus armors. My position has changed from no gems to as many gems as I can save up in a week. So on raid weeks that's about 100 gems. The gem amount would be even better if they fixed the videos for iOS. 100 gems for the plus version of Ethermail is a great deal because it's powerful armor. The normal Ethermail (no gems required) on my alt and the plus on my main account helped me push for Guardian Wargear Plus on both my accounts. I didn't know where Gree was gonna go with dual element+ Heroic Armors so I wasn't about to advocate gemming for it but after seeing the stats and then getting one, I have to say you can't go wrong as long as you don't spend too much gems on it. This isn't completely lost to f2p players but it's not easy in any way. I understand how people would want to forget about Heroic Mode because of this shortened time limit and the crazy drop rates. I think it's a really risky business strategy on Gree's part. I know several of the people in my guild who were getting the plus version of Heroic Mode armors before have now given up. I imagine this has happened throughout the K&D community.

All I can say is rally your troops. If Gree can't get the money coming in that they want for Heroic Mode, they'll have to rethink their position. As it stands only the people with really powerful armor and really good guild status is gonna get Plus versions on the cheap.

[dust92]

when you mention F2P players , you mean " players that don't buy gems " , or " players that don't spend gems " ?
Because as I observe , ppl can get the plus , maybe with some gems they save from Arena , EB , or vid offers . I mean , total free gems . and somehow , that's still a good bargain
This mode is totally for F2P , because you don't have to spend as much as ppl do in top run . You should see that ... It's so silly that you complain abt spending only a few gems for an epic which is as good as top25 prize . Yes , really silly . I would say that Gree is running a very nice game , and they deserve money to keep working . If you decide not to spend some , then don't .

[Peter Sandelis]

when you mention F2P players , you mean " players that don't buy gems " , or " players that don't spend gems " ?
Because as I observe , ppl can get the plus , maybe with some gems they save from Arena , EB , or vid offers . I mean , total free gems . and somehow , that's still a good bargain
This mode is totally for F2P , because you don't have to spend as much as ppl do in top run . You should see that ... It's so silly that you complain abt spending only a few gems for an epic which is as good as top25 prize . Yes , really silly . I would say that Gree is running a very nice game , and they deserve money to keep working . If you decide not to spend some , then don't .

Players that don't buy gems.

[Konny]

All I can say is rally your troops. If Gree can't get the money coming in that they want for Heroic Mode, they'll have to rethink their position.

This is the second heroic mode I will not go for the armor. Waiting for the first with adjacent elements, until then I'm out.

[Lord P]

Is it just me or is Gree really doing everything they can to make getting the plus version impossible?

Now you have to divide your time between a blitz, the epic boss and heroic mode, all starting on the same day........ because it would have killed Gree to wait until Wednesday? GTFOH!

[dpalbldelf]

Let's face it: Gree(d) is just pushing for all they can. Can't meet your mins in Blitz - gem. Need to keep pace with the EB - gem. Trying for that nice heroic - gem. I firmly believe that the three events being released simultaneously is intention to force additional gemming. You are absolutely correct Lord P, there is no way that we can keep with those three events, AND forget about the arena, without heavy gemming.

[Ant venom]

The Arena is obviously a waste of time, the rewards are crappy as hell and the amount of gems spent for that "top reward" is enough for a Top Run with a decent "Top Reward". Honestly with the amount of gems that GREE is trying to force people to use, it looks as if they are trying to put in the last push before shutting KnD down, cause currently they are at the peak of squeezing cash and usually after a peak everything turns into turmoil, and The End which looks like the way KnD is going if GREE doesn't improve the game and listen to our thoughts instead of their new ideas which would bring them profit and MAYBE soemthing we MIGHT look forward to.

[roookey1]

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No, if they find something that we like, they destroy it and turn it into a gemming event.



you complain abt spending only a few gems for an epic which is as good as top25 prize

I have in fact spent gems when Heroic mode was doable for me (okay drop rates, 2+ weeks).

I don't do anymore since I feel that the whole purpose of the event is only to force us to spend gems, and the drop rates and duration are so aggravating that I feel better not to put my energy into the event.

[dust92]

Lol , Roookey , I'm glad to see you give up on Heroic Mode , honestly . It's till doable for me ( and many of my friends as well ) . The less ppl can get the plus , the more powerful it is . That's the point which makes its strength . Free , but not easy

[Kangaroeland]

Strongher than jackal which i payed 2k gems for very recently. And im wayyy too lazy to ever spend this much time on knd.

[Greg Wickstrom]

Oh there listening alright and rubbing their Gree dy little hands. They have a new one they are using too, let's not regen their health for a day and that way they will spend even more money. I say we all protest and not make any in app purchases until they FIX this CRAP!

[no mercyyy]

Oh there listening alright and rubbing their Gree dy little hands. They have a new one they are using too, let's not regen their health for a day and that way they will spend even more money. I say we all protest and not make any in app purchases until they FIX this CRAP!

Greg that might be caused if you pause your game (still leave it on, but screen away from it) while at the combat screen. If you are on the map, your knights regen, at least that was the solution for me.

[Ant venom]

Yep, I think that was your problem Greg and so I totally agree with u, no mercyyy, but before we talk about the regen crap, let's talk about bigger problems (I am look at you "GREE Costumer Support").