Heroic Mode - 7 Days?

[Fossil]

Am I understanding the Facebook post correctly? The newer players are just going to fall further behind the curve and drop out. It's hard enough to keep our noobs interested without making it even harder for them to catch up

[Regretz]

Yet again Gree makes a move like this... if the drop rate is anything like last time achieving the + version will be impossible without gemming/playing nonstop. Dont they realize people have full time jobs?

Thank you Gree, for ruining the one event people look forward to and proving how greedy you really are. If the drop rate is the same as last time I will be finally uninstalling this game for good. Not gonna sit back and continue to spend money on something that is gonna go on a steady decline.

[London Knight]

If this is true, HALF the seasoned players in my Guild have threatened to quit game /cut back playing. I can play often 24/7 BUT even I'm going to be really pushed by a ruddy 7 day time limit !!! Real bad move GREE ... :-(

[Conkilla]

It just GREEd they want you to spend for the epic even though this should be free seven days of crap that I am not going to do. they should be ashame of themselves. the hell do they think they arew doing should go kiss a donkey and see how that feels like.

[Konny]

I really hope the drop rate for crystals will be better than last time when we only have 7 days. Making it challenging/require gemming for the +version is fine with me, but please don't make it frustrating on top.

Planning energy and friends = challenging
Low drop rate = frustrating

[TheKneeGrow]

Good way to kill off a game. Maybe GREE was tired of working on the bugs and figured they would just milk this one dry. 300-500 gems for top 25 pushes now encouraging gemming on heroic monos. Trash chest drop rates and trashier armors. No way new players will keep playing. I'll spend my money on a new game. Pretty sure I'll be done with this game. Now I know why ppl are selling their accounts

[greenwing]

So basically they are changing a fun mode for everybody with a nice shiny reward into a hardcore gem-only mode for the players who do not need the armor at all because they already have the best armors ? I hope they change their mind but otherwise they completely killed the best thing they added to this game in a year.

[roookey1]

It can't be said better than that @Greenwing.

I take back all my positive comments regarding Gree introducing Heroic mode. IF (well if) the drop rates are as bad as they were last time, Gree has ruined it.

I for one will certainly not spend a single gem during this heroic stage, there's not even any temptation to do it (and feed the greed) as it's just another mono epic anyway.

Seriously disappointing.

[Rookeye]

Im waiting to see the drop rates before I cry doom and gloom. The drop rates make or break the event.

[Marco_]

The cynic in me thinks they are trying a ploy like:
"erm, if we drop the length to 10-14 days and keep it there, we will have lots of complaints for months, so let's drop it to 7 and then raise it to 10-14 afterwards to make people think "hey, 10-14 isn't as bad as 7" ..."

BTW, a 4-fold reduction in length is kind of a sign of the non-existance of a (alpha/beta) testing departement...

[Phill - Immortal GM]

BTW, a 4-fold reduction in length is kind of a sign of the non-existance of a (alpha/beta) testing departement...

Thus the open 'beta' with qualified members of the community ;)

All I can say in the name of the general user of KnD is: smh...
I don't mind too much, but who thought of that? Pathetic idea. The amounts of complaints you had because people anticipated it for weeks..and then you make it unobtainable for a huge portion of the game? Good job, yet again proven what people think already.

[Lord P]

Gree is making you choose....... you can do the epic boss, or you can do the blitz, or you can do the war or you can do the arena or you can do heroic mode....... BUT YOU CAN'T DO THEM ALL!

Guess what? I'm skipping heroic mode until the dual elements start (unless of course they're just testing us to see if we're stupid enough to settle for 16 levels of heroic mode in one week).

If you want me to pay for a heroic mode epic, you better make the stats equal to or greater than the current chest and war/raid epics.

One thing about Gree, they are consistent....... they will not waste an opportunity to exploit desperate K&D addicts. :mad:

[legalious]

I might be able to do it. Just have to make sure the drop rate is increased and then I can use the proper rotation and friends.

All of this depends on the element(s) of the epic. I don't think I will need any earth or water for a while.

[Lord P]

I might be able to do it. Just have to make sure the drop rate is increased and then I can use the proper rotation and friends.

All of this depends on the element(s) of the epic. I don't think I will need any earth or water for a while.
It's mono spirit.

[Lord P]

The cynic in me thinks they are trying a ploy like:
"erm, if we drop the length to 10-14 days and keep it there, we will have lots of complaints for months, so let's drop it to 7 and then raise it to 10-14 afterwards to make people think "hey, 10-14 isn't as bad as 7" ..."
I think you might be on to something...... which is why they won't officially post the picture they had up earlier. They might be planning on changing the length of time whereas the picture shows until March 17th 2015.

[Marco_]

I think you might be on to something...... which is why they won't officially post the picture they had up earlier. They might be planning on changing the length of time whereas the picture shows until March 17th 2015.
I was more thinking along the lines that 1 heroic at 7 days followed by lots at 10-14 days will give a more favourable perception to that last set than a drop from 18 to 10-14 and staying there. (in other words taking away a lot and then giving a bit back instead of just taking away a bit)

[Sean A Roberts]

So assuming the drop rates get improved a little you still need to get 18.3 shards a day minimum to get the plus version. You will have roughly 112 attempts throughout the 7 days not including potions and gems. And only 70 friends for the event. Hopefully it doesn't take more then 35 attempts at the dark castle this time

[Lord P]

I was more thinking along the lines that 1 heroic at 7 days followed by lots at 10-14 days will give a more favourable perception to that last set than a drop from 18 to 10-14 and staying there. (in other words taking away a lot and then giving a bit back instead of just taking away a bit)
If they go through with this upcoming heroic mode for 7 days, they gonna lose some people...... a lot of people.

[roookey1]

The whole thing would make perfect sense if they already plan to run down the game in a controlled manner.

If you don't expect to have future customers, why care about anyone who is playing it right now? No, squeeze the remainings of the cow as long and hard as possible instead!

[Sent]

If the drop rate is crap, I probably won't even go for it. Might not even go for it if the drop rate is good. I've gotten the past three Heroic +'s and they're all still at level 1. I'd rather invest gems into a t10 or t25. This weekend's top 25 reward was much more worth the gems invested than this heroic+ will be, and it probably cost less than the heroic will.

The only people who might consider gemming are collectors and newer players.

[SylusBlack]

The whole thing would make perfect sense if they already plan to run down the game in a controlled manner.

If you don't expect to have future customers, why care about anyone who is playing it right now? No, squeeze the remainings of the cow as long and hard as possible instead!

I really doubt the game is being run down. Generally if a game is being run down events are the first thing cut. They wouldn't be adding an event to rile up players beforehand and then drop the game afterward. It's counter intuitive.

I think they're still trying to find the sweet spot on the feature and make it profitable for them as well as challenging and hard for the players. They've just hit one side of the spectrum right now.

[Rookeye]

Okay, i just played a bit and got 6 of 8 shards in about ten attempts. Contrast this with TWO shards in fifty attempts from the last run. I think the drop rate has been definitely improved. :)

[Phill - Immortal GM]

Okay, i just played a bit and got 6 of 8 shards in about ten attempts. Contrast this with TWO shards in fifty attempts from the last run. I think the drop rate has been definitely improved. :)

Yes, to a point where it is doable and worthy of "heroic".
Thinking realistically, even when not having so much time, less than 100 gems can guarantee you the + if used smart.

[Kent Chai]

12 hrs gone past and i managed to collect 7 crystals. Waiting for the last crystal to craft. I cannot say it is easy but it is a challenge to get the plus version.

In case anyone ask me if I have gemmed....No I have not gem in this lower level crystal. I simply use my "Best Friends" and some health potions to level up strategically.

Good luck my fellow game mates.

[greenwing]

12 hrs gone past and i managed to collect 7 crystals. Waiting for the last crystal to craft. I cannot say it is easy but it is a challenge to get the plus version.

In case anyone ask me if I have gemmed....No I have not gem in this lower level crystal. I simply use my "Best Friends" and some health potions to level up strategically.

Good luck my fellow game mates.

And how many is 'some' health potions ? I can probably also make it if I use them but I am still hoping that after the next heroic event they will start with dual elements so I like to keep them in my inventory for now. I already have some decent spirit armors (chaos+ and arcane+) so I am not really in need of a single element armor that is only 100 higher.

[Ecthelion]

5 shards (not crystals!) in 30 runs - 4 in thieves cove and 1 in kingdom of darkness...and even used about 20 healing potions...i don't think that there was any increase in the drop rate. it's about as bad as it was last time. guess you, Kent Chai, were just lucky ;-)

but i totally agree to former posters that this event has been ruined.

[legalious]

10 Runs so far with 7 shards. This was all from the Relic Ruins. I haven't tried the other areas yet, as I am working from the beginning to the end. I should be completed with the first 3 areas today.

[dpalbldelf]

Legalious, I started the exact same way. Then my drop rate sunk.

Highly disappointed that they changed the heroic to this. Wasn't it stated in Q&A that heroic was given so that people weren't forced to gem in order to obtain an occasional epic like with chests, wars and raids?

[Lord P]

There is a brick wall waiting for you at Writhing Cascades...... :D

[Bradley Brooks]

Yeah, this is ridiculous Gree. I understand the first Heroic mode made it far too easy to earn the plus version of the Epic armor, but now it's just way too difficult. The drop rate for the shards is still atrocious and we only have a week this time? Nearly impossible if you don't play CONSTANTLY, which I am unable to. You need to increase the time period for Heroic mode or increase the drop rate for the crystal shards. Or both. Find a balance between what it was the first time you ran Heroic mode and what it is this time. It's unfortunate because I really want that Spirit-based Epic, but can't devote my entire week to this game. Most of us have jobs and things to do.

[Soberranger]

As a player currently equipped in mostly EB+ armors I feel like I am the type of player that is supposed to benefit from Heroic mode the most, but I've got to say this change left a bad taste in my mouth. I'm certainly willing to save my gems in an attempt for a t25 epic, but I don't want to do so wearing EB+ armors and I want to do everything possible to get the level of my gear up before I attempt one. The problem with this is after you've obtained EB+ gear, the only guaranteed way to get your knights the next tier of armor is by obtaining heroic. Don't get me wrong, I do way more fusions than the average player, but I haven't been lucky enough (yet?) to receive any epic armors for my troubles, so naturally I've been super motivated to farm heroic crystals. I would personally be happy to receive at least the normal version (and I'm sure I will, though the drop rates in the later levels are making me nervous), but I was also looking forward to farming for old legendary armors to use for fusions also. The easiest way to make me happy would be to leave the heroic levels active after the event (without the possibility of crafting the epic armor) for players like me to farm for fusion so there is at least some resemblance of progression. This is your game and you're free to do with it what you like, but as a player lately I've been feeling super discouraged with so many failed fusions and poor chest pulls and I wouldn't feel this way if there were at least a tangible goal for me to work toward.

[Stultis]

Okay, i just played a bit and got 6 of 8 shards in about ten attempts. Contrast this with TWO shards in fifty attempts from the last run. I think the drop rate has been definitely improved. :)

I have to disagree with this. I have been playing the same level all day and only gotten 3 shards. Each time I am running through at least 5-6 times every 2-3 hours.
I also had 5 shards disappear from one of my earlier levels. I had 6 shards last night went to bed and woke up with just 1 shard. I have contacted Gree and am waiting on a reply. I doubt I will be able to get the plus version this time.

[Soberranger]

I have to disagree with this. I have been playing the same level all day and only gotten 3 shards. Each time I am running through at least 5-6 times every 2-3 hours.
I also had 5 shards disappear from one of my earlier levels. I had 6 shards last night went to bed and woke up with just 1 shard. I have contacted Gree and am waiting on a reply. I doubt I will be able to get the plus version this time.

I'm experiencing the same on some of the later levels...I haven't lost any shards, though..it seems as though the drop rate varies for each level.

[Phill - Immortal GM]

I'm certainly willing to save my gems in an attempt for a t25 epic,

Seems like you can now save for an attempt for a T10 Epic in a T25 Run.
Good luck!

[Kent Chai]

And how many is 'some' health potions ? I can probably also make it if I use them but I am still hoping that after the next heroic event they will start with dual elements so I like to keep them in my inventory for now. I already have some decent spirit armors (chaos+ and arcane+) so I am not really in need of a single element armor that is only 100 higher.
I used about 30 potions for these 8 crystals. You need to time it a little. When your Herod about to level up. Don't use so many potions. Use just enough for them to level up and continue fighting.

For the plus version , I'm separating the fighting time for later part of the areas and KOD.

Example - target 1 crystal per area for 1 day
- 2 shards from KOD in 1 day( we can only use 10 friends in a day)

In this pattern, hopefully we can make it in 7 days without spending gems.

Hope this strategy works for some of you out there.

[Regretz]

U have gotta be kidding me, just did Cold Rock Craigs 7x straight with not a single shard drop. Really Gree? Only 7 days AND u give us a terrible drop rate? Smh

[Wayne Tay]

Guess those low level players will have hard time getting the plus version.

[Kent Chai]

Guess those low level players will have hard time getting the plus version.
I agreed. They are not making it easy for lower level which is kind of sad because I would suspect they wanna groom lower level player so that there is a good change of blood as time goes pass.

[roookey1]

Drop rate seems to be about 1:3 (1 shard every 3 tries) I'd estimate after almost 2 days, very similar if not equal to the last event. Sometimes 2-3 in a row, then nothing for 10 tries.

To be frank I have serious doubts that even I with pretty nice epic armor can make it up to the plus version in time (last event, it took me 13 days with more or less permanent grinding only interrupted by energy recharging times and sleeping), NO WAY at all for anyone with just Eb+ or even just slightly outdated epic armor to make it within 7 days and a similar drop rate as last time.

The main obstacle seems to be the energy recharging time (which you can't overcome by gemming) ... having to wait for 3-4 hours in order to have another 2-4 runs and then maybe get 1 shard will make it impossible for most (unless they are super lucky with their drops) to get all the shards together in 7 days.
Gree yesterday claimed on their tumblr page that they have seen screenshots of guys posted somewhere who were already crafting the armor. How would that even be mathematically possible after only 1 day?!

[Kakarot]

Drop rate seems to be about 1:3 (1 shard every 3 tries) I'd estimate after almost 2 days, very similar if not equal to the last event. Sometimes 2-3 in a row, then nothing for 10 tries.

To be frank I have serious doubts that even I with pretty nice epic armor can make it up to the plus version in time (last event, it took me 13 days with more or less permanent grinding only interrupted by energy recharging times and sleeping), NO WAY at all for anyone with just Eb+ or even just slightly outdated epic armor to make it within 7 days and a similar drop rate as last time.

The main obstacle seems to be the energy recharging time (which you can't overcome by gemming) ... having to wait for 3-4 hours in order to have another 2-4 runs and then maybe get 1 shard will make it impossible for most (unless they are super lucky with their drops) to get all the shards together in 7 days.
Gree yesterday claimed on their tumblr page that they have seen screenshots of guys posted somewhere who were already crafting the armor. How would that even be mathematically possible after only 1 day?!

It wasn't mine screenshot but I started crafting it after 24 hours. Haven't spent a single gem, just planned it right to level up in the right moment and go on... Used a few potions and all friends of course. Crystal drop to me it's like 55-60%, hard to say, I lost track counting it all over again. I just hope you guys won't hate me, I have some days off and not much to do so did it as I had planned. You have to spend ridiculous amount of time to do it in time, that's true.

[roookey1]

okay, so you got 64 shards in 24 hours, that would mean you got almost 3 per hour (as long as you didn't sleep longer than for 2-3 hours)... I say that's impossible without getting a full recharge by spending 5 gems once you die, and to do that repeatedly. Full recharging of energy takes about 3 hours for most players with higher-level armors, so the actual rate of 'shards per full energy' would have to be even in the likes of 6-8 shards 'per full energy'. Yah, sure. :cool: Either there is a glitch, continuous gemming at exactly the right time is necessary or whatever, but IMO the main obstacle for everyone, regardless the level or strength of armor, is that recharging the energy takes so long. And there is no shortcut as energy potions can't be bought (I'm surprised, Gree :p).

Otoh, I am sure the smart minds at Gree have been sitting and thinking long about this, and like everywhere else in the game, there will be a way to bluntly purchase the plus versions by gemming within that time even with enough time for sleeping. I just can't see how the energy recharging time can be overcome. IMO the drop rate is way too low to make it in time, no way at all to get there in time without gemming anyway, and most probably not even the regular version is in reach for by far most of the players. So the majority of players will feel cut out of the 'real' game, as they already do in wars. :(

[Kakarot]

okay, so you got 64 shards in 24 hours, that would mean you got almost 3 per hour (as long as you didn't sleep longer than for 2-3 hours)... I say that's impossible without getting a full recharge by spending 5 gems once you die, and to do that repeatedly. Full recharging of energy takes about 3 hours for most players with higher-level armors, so the actual rate of 'shards per full energy' would have to be even in the likes of 6-8 shards 'per full energy'. Yah, sure. :cool: Either there is a glitch, continuous gemming at exactly the right time is necessary or whatever, but IMO the main obstacle for everyone, regardless the level or strength of armor, is that recharging the energy takes so long. And there is no shortcut as energy potions can't be bought (I'm surprised, Gree :p).

Otoh, I am sure the smart minds at Gree have been sitting and thinking long about this, and clearly there must be a way to purchase the plus versions by gemming within that time and even to be able to find some sleep. I just can't see how the energy recharging time can be overcome. IMO the drop rate is way too low to make it in time, no way at all to get there in time without gemming anyway, and most probably not even the regular version is in reach for by far most of the players. So the majority of players will feel cut out of the 'real' game, as they already do in wars. :(

I didn't have to wait for a full energy because I leveled up immedietly. You don't have to believe that none of gems has been spent but this has happened at your misfortune. Keeps the irony for yourself, I'm not here to fight with you. Keep this discussion clean as a civilized man... What's impossible for you, is possible for someone else, like in real life.

I'm a GM of a guild with 27 elements, with a couple of epics. I'm not trying to say it's possible with a gear you have mentioned but the key is to plan it right, it's essential. Remember that friends restore every 23 hours so I was able to use some of them in time. And yes, for your information I slept short last night, just to make a gap between a time of crafting regular version and end time of event shorter.

[ZackN]

Can't plan for 3 drops in 57 tries. That's currently my luck on cold rock craigs. Was well on pace to finish the + until this.

[Phill - Immortal GM]

On pace for the +, minimal friend usage (8 for today left), no potions, no gems, 8h+ sleep a day and been sleeping on and off pretty much all day.

Drop rate roughly 60%. All seems ok.
Finished all up to the Forest, as well as the Blazing tides 6/8, misty marsh 8/8 and KoD 5/8.

[Marco_]

roookey1, a levelup causes all your knights to be full health again, so people plan their use of friends and potions in such a way that a levelup happens just before their 6th knight would die, giving them another 6 healthy knights to use right away.

Heck, with the right armors, you can gain a level of exp at the last few non-heroic levels with just the 6 knights and no friends (some people got over level 1000 that way before Heroic existed), so if you weave bits of that inbetween the heroic runs, you might be able to do a continuous 12+ hour Heroic grinding session without needing breaks for health regen...

[roookey1]

Thanks for the feedback guys ... ok, I promise to stop ranting for now and give it a try...lol. Seems I still have left out on a little part of the learning curve. :rolleyes:

But then, it's not about me after all. Most of the ones of us who are writing here have the luxury of a) having great armor and b) being GM's. For the huge part of the players community however, the recent move by Gree has turned Heroic mode into yet another part that just frustrates them off and makes them feel like they are considered as scum, mere sucking material. Even when the 'big I' am able to make it in time, this part of the game is now effectively ruined for most. It's the (realistic) chance to achieve a goal that makes a game fun.

[timsta007]

You know, the regular version of the heroic epic isn't that bad. For a player who has all EB+ armors it would probably be a substantial upgrade or at least a major help in filling out their elemental diversity. Just because the +version is the only goal you have doesn't mean that newer F2P players will be turned of by the event when they can still achieve the regular version without gemming.

[Ant venom]

Not bad? They are monos for Christ's Sake,when they become duals then u can repeat that statement bro, sry for being rude bro.

Cheers;
Ant venom

[timsta007]

Not bad? They are monos for Christ's Sake,when they become duals then u can repeat that statement bro, sry for being rude bro.

Cheers;
Ant venom

Reading is fundamental bro. I said they aren't bad for a relatively new player who only has EB+ armors and is looking for the next step to continue to improve. Of course most of the players with a stable of dual element epics will not find it useful and would only be interested in the plus version. Try and look beyond just your own wants when evaluating if a feature is good for the game or not.

As I've been playing though the most recent heroic mode, the thing about it that really makes me feel like it's a complete failure isn't that it is difficult to achieve. I think getting a plus version should be hard and only the most dedicated players should be able to get one for free. The problem I see is this is a video game and it is supposed to be fun, and this nonsense just isn't fun. When the first couple heroic modes came out they had about a 50% drop rate. It sucks to grind through and not get a drop but I think we can all live with 50%. The problem is that when you introduce a drop rate of less than 25%, you can have a scenario like I just did where I had 12 straight runs without a drop. It's disheartening, even for the most dedicated players and because it isn't fun, it makes me want to do something else. The other problem is the variability of the drops. I've had bad luck on the DP stage and have only received 1/12 drops, but a guild member has had good luck and received 5/11 drops on that stage. There's a very realistic scenario where we both work just as hard, do the exact same number of runs through each stage, and because of my bad luck, he will get the epic+ and I will not. That's bogus.

We all know they should have done beta testing and figured this out before releasing heroic mode the first time. Like I said, I don't mind that it's hard. I like that. But it should not be impossible, and with the variability of the drop rate, there is a very real scenario that regardless of the time and effort put in, it might be an impossible goal, if your luck on the drop rates are very poor. It's really just a poorly thought out part of the game, but I guess I shouldn't have had high hopes given Gree's track record of using it's active community as it's beta testers in every feature they release.

[Wayne Tay]

Gree is greedy. Either you dedicate your 7 days hunting fragments every hour interval. Or , spend some potion each time before you are gonna to level. If not if you are really near that heroic plus, spend some gems to get there. For those that have busy weekdays working , thats too bad , you want it ? Spend some gems. Seriously gree doesnt care if you are busy with work or school , 7 days time frame , thats it.

[Marco_]

You know, the regular version of the heroic epic isn't that bad. For a player who has all EB+ armors it would probably be a substantial upgrade or at least a major help in filling out their elemental diversity. Just because the +version is the only goal you have doesn't mean that newer F2P players will be turned of by the event when they can still achieve the regular version without gemming.
non-plus is a bit better than Chaos Vanguard IIRC.
@Ant Venom: the monos are useful as fusion fodder to get the duals you want; much better targetting than legendaries or epic duals...

[Soberranger]

roookey1, a levelup causes all your knights to be full health again, so people plan their use of friends and potions in such a way that a levelup happens just before their 6th knight would die, giving them another 6 healthy knights to use right away.

Heck, with the right armors, you can gain a level of exp at the last few non-heroic levels with just the 6 knights and no friends (some people got over level 1000 that way before Heroic existed), so if you weave bits of that inbetween the heroic runs, you might be able to do a continuous 12+ hour Heroic grinding session without needing breaks for health regen...

The problem with this is that heroic mode is meant for people without "the right armors." It seems that the only people able to obtain the + version are people who the armor is, at best, a sidegrade. I share rookey1's skepticism about being able to collect the materials in 24 hours without gemming. I began this heroic at around level 120 and I'm leveling up quite frequently, but the drop rate is still forcing me to farm until my knights health has depleted even while using friends to finish off the xp bar. I'm sure a lot of people will be able to snag the + version of the armor and I'm happy for them..but many of the players this armor is intended for won't be so lucky. Another reason it's obvious you're meant to gem for the + version is without gemming, it takes nearly half of the event's duration just to craft the normal version! If you take longer than 4 days to craft the normal version and don't intend to pay your blacksmith...you're SOL

[roookey1]

a little stats in between: I am almost 20 shards behind the last event by now - which took me 13 days already then. This is despite me having even better armor than last time and much better jewelry. Today alone I must have gone through Zephyr and Haunted for about 14 times in total, with 1 shard as a result.

I feel like throwing the phone out of the window. After 3 days of continous playing (but admittedly, with regular sleeping and without artificially forcing level elevation, and yes, I have a job to attend to while energy is recharging, you got me there Gree!), I'm at a ratio of 3.6 : 1, this is just ridiculous.
(edit 6 hours later: 5 more runs through these 2 stages => 0 more shards; 1 more shard from all the stages I ran through since, by now total ratio is 3.9 : 1)

Although I have the luxury of a GM bonus, maxed elements, pretty decent epics and always been the fastest grinder in the guild, it will be IMPOSSIBLE for me to start crafting a plus version in time, probably not even if I would buy an immediate crafting of the regular version (as I doubt I'll even make it that far this time, considering the bad drop ratio I have). :mad:

You have successfully turned an event I loved into one I am starting to hate.

[geo81]

I must admit, I liked how gree made heroic harder the last time. This, is just lame though. They ruined it, I'll get reg version I guess, hopefully some DPC keys to go with it :)

[Regretz]

This is pathetic. 21 tries on writhing cascades has given me 2 shards, and 17 tries on KOD has given me 4 shards... Thank you sooooo much Gree for ruining the 1 event every1 has been looking forward to. You made us wait weeks and you give us this!?!? Goodbye, u've lost another customer. Uninstalling.

Bye KnD,
Regretz

[Marco_]

The problem with this is that heroic mode is meant for people without "the right armors."

EB+ plus rings and amulets has surpassed "the right armors" from a year ago...
Run Kingdom of Darkness screen 1 of each of normal/mighty/valor/honor/epic with the tankiest armor for that screen and flee afterwards, do the same for Haunted Citadel and Zephyr Plateau Epic and flee after screen 6/7 . Depending on their tankiest armors' elements, people could pick 2 or more of those locations and run 10+ levels/day 12+ months ago, killing their knights 1 by 1 and then swapping the tankiest armor to the next.



It seems that the only people able to obtain the + version are people who the armor is, at best, a sidegrade. I share rookey1's skepticism about being able to collect the materials in 24 hours without gemming. I began this heroic at around level 120 and I'm leveling up quite frequently, but the drop rate is still forcing me to farm until my knights health has depleted even while using friends to finish off the xp bar. I'm sure a lot of people will be able to snag the + version of the armor and I'm happy for them..but many of the players this armor is intended for won't be so lucky. Another reason it's obvious you're meant to gem for the + version is without gemming, it takes nearly half of the event's duration just to craft the normal version! If you take longer than 4 days to craft the normal version and don't intend to pay your blacksmith...you're SOL
Using EB non-plus gets you EB+, so I kind of guess using Heroic non-plus gets you Heroic+ now. :-|
And you should be used to the rush crafting system from epic boss collections. Just like getting to EB 15 quickly is easier than getting to EB 43 in the remaining time, I guess farming shards from first 8 locations for non-plus is less health-costly than from the last 8. :-|

I myself don't have the time to go for Heroic+; way too busy.



edit: I was trying to get my 3rd account its first epic with this event, but it's suffering from way worse drop rate than my main is...
But annoying low drop rate is something just the newer players have missed: veterans suffered from it way back when the plus versions of the craftable 3-star storyline armors were what you needed to beat EB 43. Grinding the locations to farm the 2x 18 pieces per armor, probably at a 10-20% drop rate...

[stankNord]

Anecdotal pile-on here - I was crafting the latest Heroic armor within 24 hours (an encouraging sign). Since then the drop rate has dropped so drastically that a Heroic + for me is realistically a mathematical impossibility.

I have the potions, I have the gems, I have the friends. I just don't have the patience, faith, or trust to continue to be so spectacularly frustrated by these cynical money grabs on the part of Gree.

It was naive of me to think of this game as a long-term activity (when was the last time any of us played Super Mario?). I must admit that I've quite enjoyed it up until the era of the Bait-And-Switch however.

Sort of a shame really.

[roookey1]

I'm out of Heroic mode for this time. 8 more runs, 1 shard. WTF again and again and again and again.

As I just wrote somewhere else about the game:

if I'd be looking for frustration, I have enough options in RL.

[dpalbldelf]

Rookey1, I am about to give up myself.
it took ~30-40 attempts each in Skeleton Tombs and Flaming Wildwood to obtain the crystal from each. I am on par for the same number of tries in Cold Rock Crags now. Because of this abysmal drop rate I refuse to spend any gems or health potions on this event. It's really a shame that this is happening as so many people really enjoyed this addition to the game. I realize that some people are already crafting the gear, but with drop rates that I am receiving I am not going through heroic efforts (pardon the pun) to obtain a heroic. NOTE: I play on both iOS and Android, have comparable gear on both, but am obtaining the same drop rates. Hopefully the powers that be at Gree with take note of the complaints from this (I find it unlikely as this weekends gem-palooza from the new war rewards will pad Gree's pockets heavily)

[ColombianThreatMachine]

Dumpster juice!!!

[Ant venom]

Guys I believe the best way to resolve our problems is to complain about GREE not making the game to our satisfication and to consider our ideas every week in the weekly feedback, maybe the new content thread, and also in every thread that features someone conplaining so that the Moderators and Clementine wont just come up with a cheap excuse to save GREE's ass *removed shaming content* First of all it is approved so that is bs and then develop, they dont care as long as they are getting cash anything can happen, and then apply, 1 week feedback might take longer, so what about feedback 1 month ago, u just CAN it just like the emails ppl send to ur support team, so overall not impressed and maybe if GREE actually reads our feedback(like they do Legalious probably is lying to save some GREE ass) then maybe ur prime wouldnt have been over and u can maybe regain ur number 1 spot in Android as the best game. Thank You GREE if u will consider (although not likely being who u guys are).
Cheers;
Ant venom

[Ant venom]

Sry for lenghty post but it seems that if it isnt lenghty GREE doesnt give a damn.

[P4R4NO1D]

Man if GREE keeps this event like this im just going to farm legendaries and get Epics since I have a better chance of fusing one then getting one from this event.

[Fossil]

Man if GREE keeps this event like this im just going to farm legendaries and get Epics since I have a better chance of fusing one then getting one from this event.

Now ya done it! They will figure out a way to screw that up next....lol!

[Phill - Immortal GM]

Man if GREE keeps this event like this im just going to farm legendaries and get Epics since I have a better chance of fusing one then getting one from this event.

Good job :( Soon no more Epics from Legendary fusions... You jinxed it man.

[P4R4NO1D]

Dam if they screw that up then im just im going to farm super rares from the event to get ultra rares then legendaries AND then Epics unless I screwed that up too

[Phill - Immortal GM]

Stop giving them ideas lol!

To get the thread back on track, been slacking quite a bit this Heroic but now have about 36 fragments left to get the +,
Agree with a recent post that 10 days would have been the perfect length. 7 does indeed seem a bit short, even when the droprates seem - mostly - buffed as compared to last time

[zelfgal]

Anyone know if we should only craft the plus version, before the end of heroic or should we have it crafted till the end????

[Phill - Immortal GM]

You can craft the Plus up until 1 second before the Event ends, so don't worry! Just make sure your regular is done crafting and leveled