[Update] Valor Glitch

[Pidgeot]

Serious question, maybe wrong thread, but... how can a game have 350b in game cash but crash at 2.1b valor if it's the limits of a 32-bit system issue?

Valor runs a completely different system than cash does. I believe have more that 2.1b gold will also cause a crash.

[Pidgeot]

Also, ships are now 125.5m cash so even those who can buy them through rank "cheated" since gree acknowledged and changed it. Since they benefited from the "low glitched" priced and can recycle for valor, lets ban all those players as well.

[sstuutss]

BOTTUM LINE ALL APOLLO CAPTIANS THAT PURCHASED THE SHIP ARE AS GUILTY OF GLITCHING AS THE PEOPLE THAT BOUGHT THEM FROM THEIR INVENTORY. THE SHIP PRICE WAS BLATANTLY AN OBVIOUS ERROR AND THE RECYCLE PRICE AND EVEN MORE OBVIOUS ERROR.. THE ACT OF STILL BUYING A OBVIOUS ERROR IS ALSO GLITCHING.. THE POO YALL BEEN FLINGING AT OTHERS IS STILL YOUR OWN POO

Something our moral police have been strangly quiet about

[MW Flake]

Something our moral police have been strangly quiet about
Which Gree has now confirmed the mere recycling of is also "cheating" even if legitimately obtained. How's the fall off that high horse?

[Shred]

Also, ships are now 125.5m cash so even those who can buy them through rank "cheated" since gree acknowledged and changed it. Since they benefited from the "low glitched" priced and can recycle for valor, lets ban all those players as well.

So what your saying is. When I become Apollo rank, I'll have to pay 125.5m for each. You must mean for 100 of them. If not, I would like to see an open appology from who cricified the ones that bought them without proper rank.

[Greeny1]

Well I'm hoping that all of you who have moaned and taken the higher ground (albeit most likely only on this one glitch as you couldn't do it) are not taking advantage of the incorrect upgrade costs for new levels past 10. Oh wait, I've seen at least one with a level 11 AMR already.....strange how some things suit them when they need it too....lol

[Pidgeot]

So what your saying is. When I become Apollo rank, I'll have to pay 125.5m for each. You must mean for 100 of them. If not, I would like to see an open appology from who cricified the ones that bought them without proper rank.

Yep, 1 ship will cost you 125.5 million cash. You can see it for yourself.

[ezmunie]

Sorry to disappoint you, but nope, I've not upgraded any buildings to lvl 11.

[sstuutss]

Which Gree has now confirmed the mere recycling of is also "cheating" even if legitimately obtained. How's the fall off that high horse?
Cheaters. they all knew it wasn't right. ban them. ban them all!!!!!. even if they threaten to take their bat and ball and go home ;)

p.s. just fir the record I assume gree didn't use the word 'cheating'?

[setfreejoe7803]

Man I just want to play. Did I use the glitch? Did I use the droid energy glitch and free gold glitch? Have I also spent thousands since playing? Yes! Am I sorry for using the exploited inadequacies of gree programmers? Heck no! Gree has also taken from the rich and screwed over the poor since day one. Running with a top 10 team I needed every advantage possible. When gree screws up their idea of fixing the problem is 5 free energy packs but low and behold its a cardinal sin to exploit a glitch.

[ezmunie]

Man I just want to play. Did I use the glitch? Did I use the droid energy glitch and free gold glitch? Have I also spent thousands since playing? Yes! Am I sorry for using the exploited inadequacies of gree programmers? Heck no! Gree has also taken from the rich and screwed over the poor since day one. Running with a top 10 team I needed every advantage possible. When gree screws up their idea of fixing the problem is 5 free energy packs but low and behold its a cardinal sin to exploit a glitch.

If you're in a top 10 team, why do you need to cheat?

[Big John]

You will all rot in hell

[Greg76]

Too late clementine, every player above apollo rank has maxed out stats and billions in valor. What can you do now. Gree has screwed up this game royaly

[setfreejoe7803]

Man I just want to play. Did I use the glitch? Did I use the droid energy glitch and free gold glitch? Have I also spent thousands since playing? Yes! Am I sorry for using the exploited inadequacies of gree programmers? Heck no! Gree has also taken from the rich and screwed over the poor since day one. Running with a top 10 team I needed every advantage possible. When gree screws up their idea of fixing the problem is 5 free energy packs but low and behold its a cardinal sin to exploit a glitch.

[setfreejoe7803]

Its simple.....I got tired of spending my own money on the game. Kind of like when you go to a bar with friends....Beer always taste better when someone else buys it. And if you dont think the top teams dont have legitimate "hackers" then you are sadly mistaken.

[ezmunie]

Its simple.....I got tired of spending my own money on the game. Kind of like when you go to a bar with friends....Beer always taste better when someone else buys it. And if you dont think the top teams dont have legitimate "hackers" then you are sadly mistaken.

I don't know what the top teams do or don't do. I've heard all the BS floating about. Maybe that's one of the reasons why I'm quite content not to be in the top teams. I prefer to play a clean game.

Sorry you felt you had to cheat to get ahead, but since you did and feel no remorse, perhaps once Gree takes everything from you that you benefited from cheating, you'll be able to access your game again. Good luck.

[Big John]

Sinners repent.

[crazeejay]

I can't wait to hear all the whining and crying on here when the day comes that this game implodes and is no more!!! :)

[MW Flake]

Whining and crying? I'll be dancing and singing praises to the man upstairs! Lol

No sstuutss, the word cheating has not been used by Gree.

[Speed ump]

What just happened to this thread, seems the post we were most recently having are all gone

[Speed ump]

Seems like I was on a diff thread than the one I though I was on,lol

[MW Flake]

What just happened to this thread, seems the post we were most recently having are all gone

Everything I saw there 5 minutes ago is still there.

[Speed ump]

Setfree, THE top team has zero hackers. And even if every other team did , we would still not resort to the same. I think there's a lot less hackers these days than you want to believe there are. Some cheating from exploiting glitches, yes. Hacking, not so much any more. Gree has actually done some work towards that end, cudos to them.

[Speed ump]

I like that new thread you started flake, sadly I feel you won't get much in the way of concrete response, though I truly hope I'm wrong

[Allday]

Well I'm hoping that all of you who have moaned and taken the higher ground (albeit most likely only on this one glitch as you couldn't do it) are not taking advantage of the incorrect upgrade costs for new levels past 10. Oh wait, I've seen at least one with a level 11 AMR already.....strange how some things suit them when they need it too....lol
Being able to upgrade buildings past lvl 10 was a intentional change that was implemented by Gree and pushed via the lastest data push. They have upgrade costs and buildings payout changes. That was intentional programming

[MW Flake]

Somebody needs to keep the focus where it belongs.

[MW Flake]

Being able to upgrade buildings past lvl 10 was a intentional change that was implemented by Gree and pushed via the lastest data push. They have upgrade costs and buildings payout changes. That was intentional programming
And you know for a fact it's correct? Because even legit Apollo players and Ump thought that, but Gree says different.

[Speed ump]

They spoke some time back about that being an upcoming feature, the new building levels. Along with expanding the size of you're base,and a few other features we've yet to see, such as new faction bonuses

[Allday]

Somebody needs to keep the focus where it belongs.
Ok let me get this back on track. The cheaters needs to have units removed, and inventory, valor, and cash taken back prior to the glitch.

[Speed ump]

In complete agreement with that statement.

[Allday]

And you know for a fact it's correct? Because even legit Apollo players and Ump thought that, but Gree says different.
You are trying to compare a legit game feature to glitching in a sad attempt to justify your actions. Apples and oranges

[webdmaximus]

Too late clementine, every player above apollo rank has maxed out stats and billions in valor. What can you do now. Gree has screwed up this game royaly

So this is your fix. Everyone that bought them legit. Got them cheap.
Those that got them thru a glitch. You have now taken back only after they made a load of money and valor off of.
Now for the rest we are going to have to pay 10x more for.
Great solution. I see we all have learned are lesson.
I not sure how to say this right. "Your all a bunch of drooling idiots." Well I guess I do.

[Speed ump]

But typical. Diffuse your actions by actions of others. Redirect the conversation to re move yourself as the subject.

[MW Flake]

They spoke some time back about that being an upcoming feature, the new building levels. Along with expanding the size of you're base,and a few other features we've yet to see, such as new faction bonuses
Sure, but is it at the right price? That was the problem with the sea unit as well.

[Big John]

Anyone at Apollo rank who bought them cheap should get them taken back and valor and cash if they recycled them, am I right?

[Allday]

It's seems that the glitchers want the flood this thread with misdirection so gree will not get the msg from legit players.

[Speed ump]

Web, you didn't make the blue light special in time. As we've seen so many times, not everything in this game is fair. How do you think the guys who spent tens of times as much as others feel when they can be attacked by anyone, due to GREE's constant manipulation of these things. Gree dosnt want anyone untouchable for any length of time, so they will tweak until they get it right. Short term gain, but in the end will be evened out soon enough. We've been through this kind of cycle many times now

[Speed ump]

Flake, I'm not sure about the upgrade costs, as I haven't even looked to see what it is yet. So not sure I can answer that part of the question.

[Allday]

Anyone at Apollo rank who bought them cheap should get them taken back and valor and cash if they recycled them, am I right?
Most were taking taken back during the WD. I know guys that didn't recycle them and who legitimately bought them, that had lost during WD attrition

[MW Flake]

You are trying to compare a legit game feature to glitching in a sad attempt to justify your actions. Apples and oranges

And just what actions am I defending?

The comparison is that the price of the sea unit was incorrect to begin with, and that ANYONE that bought them was in violation, ACCORDING TO GREE. If the price of these upgrades is indeed wrong, then anyone updating them is again in violation, based on grees new precedent. Of course Gree could once again do a 180 here.

[Speed ump]

It's been awhile since we've seen that all day, but in a case like this. I'll work to make sure the message gets across. I can be quite relentless when it comes to this kind of subject

[Speed ump]

Flake you keep saying that about the units and gree saying it was a violation, yet you have not answered where that was posted, and I looked back at both Clem and relics post. I did not see that being said. Please explain where that is posted so we can go see it

[Allday]

And just what actions am I defending?

The comparison is that the price of the sea unit was incorrect to begin with, and that ANYONE that bought them was in violation, ACCORDING TO GREE. If the price of these upgrades is indeed wrong, then anyone updating them is again in violation, based on grees new precedent. Of course Gree could once again do a 180 here.
How about common sense. Everyone knew those units were only suppose to be available at a certain rank.

[Allday]

You guys either have no common sense or ethics

[MW Flake]

Flake you keep saying that about the units and gree saying it was a violation, yet you have not answered where that was posted, and I looked back at both Clem and relics post. I did not see that being said. Please explain where that is posted so we can go see it
I gave you the link in the other thread.

[Speed ump]

Those statement statements you posted are not there. One of them only said not to recycle the units, there was no mention of violations.

[Big John]

They were available at a certain rank but were wrongly priced and recycle value was more than what you paid plus thousands of valor therefore anyone who bought them were in breach of TOS, legit or not.

[MW Flake]

How about common sense. Everyone knew those units were only suppose to be available at a certain rank.
But that was not the sole issue. Buying them at the wrong price was as well. That is not me saying that. That is Clementine.

For the record, I have no such units, have not had any such units, nor any ability to have even bought them.

[sstuutss]

Isn't funny watch how the high and mighten try and use the same arguements about cheating lol want was cheating has become a glitch and then becomes a legit game feature.
I hope you all get banned and I'Il came second in WD coz like speed.I didn't buy any either.

[setfreejoe7803]

I dont have a bit of remorse. The opportunity was there and I took advantage of it. If I had felt guilty I would not have done ANY of the droid glitches. Just being honest. Remember every saint has a past and every sinner has a future. As long as there is the game there will be glitches and those that expose and use them. Im fine with whatever happens as a form.of punishment if any. I did it and pay the price. I wont lie about it.

[Allday]

Isn't funny watch how the high and mighten try and use the same arguements about cheating lol want was cheating has become a glitch and then becomes a legit game feature.
I hope you all get banned and I'Il came second in WD coz like speed.I didn't buy any either.
I'm not high and mighty, I'm not in sup. Right is right wrong is wrong

[sstuutss]

For the record, I have no such units, have not had any such units, nor any ability to have even bought them. Damn looks like.I'll be third lol

[Speed ump]

Set free, so happy to see at least the honesty about it. You're not trying to delude anyone or yourself about excuses for it.

[Allday]

I dont have a bit of remorse. The opportunity was there and I took advantage of it. If I had felt guilty I would not have done ANY of the droid glitches. Just being honest. Remember every saint has a past and every sinner has a future. As long as there is the game there will be glitches and those that expose and use them. Im fine with whatever happens as a form.of punishment if any. I did it and pay the price. I wont lie about it.
We know you are cheater and are proud of it. Just not proud enough to post your IGN and ID

[sstuutss]

I'm not high and mighty, I'm not in sup. Right is right wrong is wrong

then why are you trying to defend the wrong?
It was a cheat everyone knows that.... even speed I'm sure

[Speed ump]

Found it finally flake, but taken somewhat out of contex, it's somewhat ambiguous which part of the buying was being mentioned. Sure wish the statement had been specific in reference and context

[setfreejoe7803]

Hey I was just looking for an advantage to beat you guys. Plain and simple. Lol

[Allday]

I defended the right, and hammer hacker and glitchers

[Speed ump]

Tuuts when did you see all day trying to defend cheating, you must be reading something different into what he said, than what he said

[Shred]

How about common sense. Everyone knew those units were only suppose to be available at a certain rank.

How about some common sense. Everyone knew those units were not suppose to be millions cheaper than the previous most expensive unit was.

[webdmaximus]

Web, you didn't make the blue light special in time. As we've seen so many times, not everything in this game is fair. How do you think the guys who spent tens of times as much as others feel when they can be attacked by anyone, due to GREE's constant manipulation of these things. Gree dosnt want anyone untouchable for any length of time, so they will tweak until they get it right. Short term gain, but in the end will be evened out soon enough. We've been through this kind of cycle many times now

I'm one of those that have spent a lot of money and have fought along your side in the same faction.(so you know I do not take advantage of glitches or I would get the boot from my faction) I just fell short of finishing Apollo rank. So u can see why I'm upset. But you have and always have good insight.

[sstuutss]

Found it finally flake, but taken somewhat out of contex, it's somewhat ambiguous which part of the buying was being mentioned. Sure wish the statement had been specific in reference and context

I'm sorry, what part of
clem'Please note that purchasing these items is considered a breach of the Terms of Service.'
isn't clear to you?

you sure seem.to be twisting

[Speed ump]

True all day, I'm happy to post my real name for anyone that dosnt already know it. I've never hidden myself, nor had a reason to. I think most of the regulars here know my name and know where to find me. Of they honestly feel they did no wrong, post your in game names here for all to see.

[setfreejoe7803]

All day why does my game name have anything to do with it? If youre the same all day that me being level 300 has raided for billions then Im sorry but my wall does not need to be plastered with hate mail. I admitted what I did. Being proud of something and having no remorse are two different things.

[Allday]

How about some common sense. Everyone knew those units were not suppose to be millions cheaper than the previous most expensive unit was.
I didn't know that. How would I? I didn't see the price and I'm not that rank. I still don't know the cost. I know that EVERYONE knew those units were only available to high rank guys

[Speed ump]

Tuuts, was he referi g to the non ranked players purcahsing them, or the correctly ranked ones, which part of this discussion was he adressing, it could be either. Wish it was more specific.

[Allday]

All day why does my game name have anything to do with it? If youre the same all day that me being level 300 has raided for billions then Im sorry but my wall does not need to be plastered with hate mail. I admitted what I did. Being proud of something and having no remorse are two different things.
I'm a ATM, I rarely raid and I'm not good at checking my buildings, but I would have happy to report you

[sstuutss]

Found it finally flake, but taken somewhat out of contex, it's somewhat ambiguous which part of the buying was being mentioned. Sure wish the statement had been specific in reference and context
I'm sorry. What part of

clem'Please note that purchasing these items is considered a breach of the Terms of Service.'

isn't clear to you?
I'll even refrain from saying gree specifically said cheating which would be your def.
ban them ban them all....... that call seems to be faiding

[Speed ump]

Set free some of the ones here deny there was any wrong at all on their part. That it was fine to do because gree allowed it, despite what gree has said. I'd like to see them post their info since they did no wrong, let's see people put their money where their mouth is with that.

[Big John]

It cost 12.5m originally so you're telling me that guys thought that was the right price?

[sstuutss]

Tuuts when did you see all day trying to defend cheating, you must be reading something different into what he said, than what he said
possible. as I've said things are moving pretty fast. though I'm pretty sure he was trying to say the price of said ships was correct and not a cheat. if I have the incorrect I'm sorry.

[Allday]

Lol funny thought my IGN is AllDay. You brag about collecting for me, many have. I could care less about being raiding.

[Shred]

What gree has said after the fact. They also said those units weren't suppose to be set at the price they were bought.

[Allday]

I said I don't know

[setfreejoe7803]

I know speed. I will never lie about what I have done..Was it wrong.....Depends who you talk to. This is just a game that awards little fake Tonka trucks as prizes and not real life. Jeez I would hate to be reported.....lol.....All day. I raid as often as I can even though my IPH is almost 500 mil. All day you better report me for just now hopping online and looking for a Easter Egg for Elder Scrolls Skyrim! Jeez man really????

[Big John]

Anyone who bought them at the original price was glitching

[Shred]

I didn't know that. How would I? I didn't see the price and I'm not that rank. I still don't know the cost. I know that EVERYONE knew those units were only available to high rank guys

Apparently those units weren't available to only high rank guys. If they were, none of this would be an issue.

[setfreejoe7803]

Forgive me Father for I have sinned. I did 10 Hail Marys and 15 Our Fathers. Can I please play now?

[Allday]

just sad a top 10 would have you

[Allday]

Anyone who bought them at the original price was glitching

Yep misdirect

[Allday]

Anyone who bought them at the original price was glitching
Misdirect, you know better.

[Big John]

Can't face the truth?

[sstuutss]

Misdirect, you know better.
if the price wasn't wrong this wouldn't be such an issue!

[Big John]

Ok they were cheating, that better?

[2ummyeah]

Well it seems there are more then just ships that people have. Just before cost went up I stuble upon a dragon ops with many thousands of the 1.3b air unit that showed 15.xMil each.

This whole mess is starting to cause tension between people.

Won't mention name of who it was so don't even ask.

[setfreejoe7803]

Give it a break all day. I have left the top 10-15 team I was on for 3 years to go to a top 100 to play gold free and slow down on game play. Yes I got caught with my hand in the cookie jar and Greed being one of the 7 deadly sins got the best of me. Am I a bad or evil person? Not by a long shot my friend.

[Allday]

Now this is clearly a smoke screen for glitchers. Back on track. Take their units, and reset their valor, cash, and stats back to prior glitch. Let them lose their WD awards as punishment

[Big John]

All glitchers or just the andriod ones?

[Allday]

All glitchers or just the andriod ones?
Big John your lack of common sense disqualifies your from this discussion IMO. You think legit gree features are glitches. You are trying to justify your actions by comparing things that are not the same.

[setfreejoe7803]

The game has gone to far with ALL the glitches. Multiple bldg upgrades at one time, Energy, Gold, Planes, Trains and Automobiles you can recycle for countless cash and valor. Even with all there was its gotten actually quit boring but as long as there are games there will be glitches and hacks and people exposing them and people using them. Bottom line

[Speed ump]

John, havnt you figured out we see you for the troll you are. Troll on good buddy. It's funny how many cheaters whn faced with the facts, would rather try to throw someone else under the buss than face up to what they did.do you really think it would change anything about what you did, if someone else did something? Hey mr police I shouldn't be charged with shoplifting because I saw a guy in the parking lot stealing a car? Lol.

[sstuutss]

Tuuts, was he referi g to the non ranked players purcahsing them, or the correctly ranked ones, which part of this discussion was he adressing, it could be either. Wish it was more specific.
Stop squirming, I know the price is wrong, you know the price is wrong

if you don't like clems answer. try relic's
http://forums.gree.net/showthread.php?107397-Mods-I-have-a-question-regarding-recycling&p=1472041&viewfull=1#post1472041

now don't forget your possition on anyone breaching TOS

[Speed ump]

I bet there won't be many if the ones using them receive more severe consequences for them, then anything they gained. I would be willing to bet that would greatly reduce the incidences.

[Big John]

Big John your lack of common sense disqualifies your from this discussion IMO. You think legit gree features are glitches. You are trying to justify your actions by comparing things that are not the same.
They were priced at 12.5m, you think that price was right?

[Allday]

They were priced at 12.5m, you think that price was right?
I didn't see the price and still haven't. I know you are defending glitchers very hard. Yeah troll on bro

[Big John]

John, havnt you figured out we see you for the troll you are. Troll on good buddy. It's funny how many cheaters whn faced with the facts, would rather try to throw someone else under the buss than face up to what they did.do you really think it would change anything about what you did, if someone else did something? Hey mr police I shouldn't be charged with shoplifting because I saw a guy in the parking lot stealing a car? Lol.

I haven't glitched, did you?

[Big John]

I didn't see the price and still haven't. I know you are defending glitchers very hard. Yeah troll on bro

Can you not read? I have told you the original price.

[setfreejoe7803]

Im down for what ever punishment is felt necessary. Hey there is a blue light special on bldg upgrades right now. Upgrade your AMRs for pennies on the dollar. Hurry while supplies last.

[Allday]

Troll on. I didn't see the price but if I did I may have assumed the price was a reward for getting to that rank. Glitchers knew clearly they shouldn't have access to the unit.

[Shred]

Now this is clearly a smoke screen for glitchers. Back on track. Take their units, and reset their valor, cash, and stats back to prior glitch. Let them lose their WD awards as punishment

Quite the opposite sir. To be clear, I did not purchase any of the said units. My responses are to show the true colors of the personalities here. No one has any right for judging and name calling. You know none of the people here that bought these units. For you to be the judge, jury and executioner shows that you have more demons within yourself than people buying the units.

[clown]

Gree was quick to remove the 1 gold 500k stat jets a few months back because of a pricing error in the store. How is this any different from that?

[Big John]

I'm outta here, stay in denial if you want.

[2ummyeah]

The game has gone to far with ALL the glitches. Multiple bldg upgrades at one time, Energy, Gold, Planes, Trains and Automobiles you can recycle for countless cash and valor. Even with all there was its gotten actually quit boring but as long as there are games there will be glitches and hacks and people exposing them and people using them. Bottom line



There surely will be but this was almost instant total altering of whole
community and it's also differant then a game you buy and it's yours. Compared to this type. Keep paying and paying.

Btw: what a racket the whole
mobile app world is. Haha

Most are proud suckers and we spend because we enjoy it. Having everything altered in such a way is extreme.

I'm older ios and never had airplane energy or free gold so not a hipicrit.
And would never report people for whatever. Gree knows what and who does what if they want to know. It's the internet.... It's there.

[MW Flake]

Gree was quick to remove the 1 gold 500k stat jets a few months back because of a pricing error in the store. How is this any different from that?

Overall, maybe not much. However adding the recycle feature since then has made it far more complicated.

[clown]

Removing all the sea units and making everyone pay the correct price however is not complicated

[Allday]

It's very different than making a mistake about a pricing discrepation, and buying a unit you know you shouldn't have. If you can't understand that then that's your bad.

[Allday]

Deflection deflection

[setfreejoe7803]

Well spoken Shred. All day should read Mathew 7:3

[clown]

It's very different than making a mistake about a pricing discrepation, and buying a unit you know you shouldn't have. If you can't understand that then that's your bad.

I'm not referring to under rank purchasing... Im referring to valid in store purchases at the wrong price

[MW Flake]

Removing all the sea units and making everyone pay the correct price however is not complicated
No, but many don't have them now anyway, as they were recycled for cash/valor and that has now been put to other uses. How do you propose fixing that?

[Allday]

I'm not referring to under rank purchasing... Im referring to valid in store purchases at the wrong price
I'm aware of what you are referring to, please reread my post

[Allday]

Removing all the sea units and making everyone pay the correct price however is not complicated
I have no problem with that

[Allday]

That seems fair to me

[Allday]

If the price was wrong, refund the the money they spent for buying them and take them away

[clown]

No, but many don't have them now anyway, as they were recycled for cash/valor and that has now been put to other uses. How do you propose fixing that?

You can't... Gonna have to get over it


Sorry Allday... So many different tracks of thought it gets confusing

[Allday]

Lol me also

[Speed ump]

Clown, I'm sure you'd like us all to keep our mouths shut when we see people cheating. If you didn't cheat maybe you're one of the ones who wish they could have but weren't on android. By the way, just in case you didn't know, society in general set the rules, and give their input for changes. That's how a society advances. There used to not be laws against certain types of crimes committed with modern technology, because the crimes didn't exist previously. It takes society a bit of time to catch up to the different ways people cheat. Some people early in got away with things that today carry severe punishments, because there were no laws to cover what they had done, didn't make it any less wrong before the laws, than after. Not sure I buy that so many of you are now claiming to not have used the glitches, yet arguing that cheating is ok in their defense, because it's not really cheating.

[MW Flake]

Clown, I have no issue with it either way. I was merely providing answers to the questions you asked, and pointing out that it's more complex than what you propose. Gree made sure of that by leaving too large of a window between announcing it wasn't permitted and actually doing something about it. It allowed those units to be laundered many times over that there is very likely nothing left to take. Not units, cash, or valor.

[clown]

Not at all speed... Speak up... My original point was that they removed units that were sold at the wrong price previously and should do the same in this instance. As far as the recycling goes right wrong or indifferent it's not going to be feasible to track down everyone who bought and sold these things in order to correct this unless Gree can reset everyone's account back to the way it was prior to the data push that caused all this.

[setfreejoe7803]

The smart ones bought, recycled for valor and spent the valor. The other smart ones linked the droid to IOS. Went into IOS after they were locked out and accessed their account and recycled and spent valor that way then went back to droid. I did not do that. I have 1 droid and thats it so now I wait for gree to make a decision.

[clown]

Clown, I have no issue with it either way. I was merely providing answers to the questions you asked, and pointing out that it's more complex than what you propose. Gree made sure of that by leaving too large of a window between announcing it wasn't permitted and actually doing something about it. It allowed those units to be laundered many times over that there is very likely nothing left to take. Not units, cash, or valor.

I understand that which is why my answer was as cut and dry as it was

[narsly]

Here lies the problem...... Legit, Ios Apollo ranked players now have UNLIMITED access to completely UNLIMITED cash and valor... legit Android users? nope.....

[setfreejoe7803]

I think Im gonna report All Day and have his driving privileges revoked since he was speeding and clearly broke the law

[narsly]

I wonder how much valor an Ios Apollo user in the top factions have by now? TRILLIONS?

The fun never ends... I guarantee this wont be the last you'll hear of this glitch... It'll last for ... well ... till this game ends.

[ezmunie]

The smart ones bought, recycled for valor and spent the valor. The other smart ones linked the droid to IOS. Went into IOS after they were locked out and accessed their account and recycled and spent valor that way then went back to droid. I did not do that. I have 1 droid and thats it so now I wait for gree to make a decision.

The smart ones?

Thing is, Gree knows what you buy, what you recycle and how you spend valor and cash. Gree can go in and remove any cash, valor and units you may have as a result of recycling ships.

I'd be okay with Gree resetting the cheating android users back to before the update. They should have to pay the ultimate price for abusing the system.

[Gitrdone]

Yea thanx for the information Clem, yes take away the valor an cash along with the units To many players out in the cold! Locked out of the game.

[Speed ump]

Why would android users not have the same access. I don't understand what you are referring to Androids users were able to hit boosts forever, iOS could not. Not fair, but is players didn't get to determine that, droid players coulld not speed tap, really sucked atthe upper levels in wd. This isn't a droid vs android discussion though.

[setfreejoe7803]

Ezmunie. GOOD LUCK on Gree tracking down every droid user who used the glitch and is still playing. Hell they cant even program a game right what makes you think they will find all that used the glitch.

[sstuutss]

So speed, are you going to use to power of SUP to have all apollo ranked that bought ship banned?
A simple yes/no will suffice
or are there two sets of rules?

http://forums.gree.net/showthread.php?107267-Update-Valor-Glitch&p=1472334&viewfull=1#post1472334

[setfreejoe7803]

Hes SUP not God

[setfreejoe7803]

As far as the ultimate price sure take me back to where I was before glitch. Im fine with that but what does the system do to a criminal. They take away their time! Just what gree is doing to locked out players. Taking away their time and making us go crazy

[sstuutss]

Hes SUP not God

thats besides the point. He was calling for head on plates from high on the hill, yet seems to have backed off some what and there now seems to be a difference between a glitch and cheating that wasn't there before.

that lower ranks could buy these ships is not the real problem. Its the price, unless you believe gree thought it would be a good idea to allow unlimited cash and unlimited valor(even for one weekend,which some seem to be trying to pass off). Hands up if you believe that.
Sure if the price had been right the lower ranks would still have been able to buy a few, not 1000's.

[Speed ump]

Tuuts, just how dense are you guy. First, gree has not said whatever it is you think they have in direct reference to your subject. Also I never asked for gree to ban the ones who cheated, but to make the consequences more severe than what they gained by using it. Gree specifically stated that the none ranked players who bought the units had violated the tos. I have yet to see them specifically say the players who legitimately were ranked to buy the units, and did so were wrong. If that it the case, then gree should include those in any decisions they end up making. I'd say the first group had zero question that they were cheating. They knew what they were doing, and so far only one here has out right admitted it, and knows he may have some consequences to deal with for it. You guys are trying to avoid consequences for players. Funny, I used to have all sorts of people using exactly the same logic about the hackers. Not glitchers, hackers. Precisely exactly the same arguments. Strange, don't you think. As in it was GREE's fault for letting the hack, and so on and so forth, just insert hackers everywhere you see cheaters, glitchers, exploits, etc, and you'll get the idea. So how much cheating are you willing to accept. What's clearly cheating vs something where's theres a question. At least flake seems to be trying to have some of those questions answered. the way some here are acting, no matter what they say, they couldn't cover enough bases to cover every possible scenario. But enough that the legit players will have a good idea of what is expected, and also if severe penalties get thrown in, I think you'll see most stay away from anything they're not sure about until it's clarified. Actually if I had been the correct rank I might have bought some of those ships. I really don't look at the cost of things. My iph will cover any amount, if not I'll buy vaults. I instantly upgrade buildings with gold when they come out, really don't pay attention to what the cost is. I get asked all the time, how much did it cost to finish masters, etc. I couldn't tell you, I tap until it's done. So that's a case where I really woul t have thought about the cost one way or another. One time I was in a hurry to rearraungemy my base. I accidently deleted two of my highest buildings because I was just clicking away. I did ask gree to restore them, the answer was no. Hell I would have even taken them back at level one and paid to upgrade the again.

[Speed ump]

And because you don't want the lower ranks buying the ships to be the real problem dosnt mean it wasn't. Obviously it was, evades that's the problem gree addressed, wasn't it.

[Speed ump]

Evades = because, I still don't know how spell wrong screws up so bad

[Speed ump]

I'm still calling for the same thing I have all along. Penalties for the ones who cheated. Obviously you're not able to understand this simple concept even after it's been said many times. I know it's not what you want to hear, and you're not heard g because you want it to be something other than what it is. You'll keep trying to spin it your way.

[setfreejoe7803]

Well hello I used a glitch......I have screenshots of a certain leader who is in a top 5 team talking about hacks and using them to their advantage but thats old history. Hes clean and legit now. Lol

[DEWIN NUTTIN]

The cookie jar was left unlocked to see who might get caught in the trap.
Looks like it worked, LOL

[sstuutss]

Tuuts, just how dense are you guy. First, gree has not said whatever it is you think they have in direct reference to your subject. Also I never asked for gree to ban the ones who cheated, but to make the consequences more severe than what they gained by using it. Gree specifically stated that the none ranked players who bought the units had violated the tos. I have yet to see them specifically say the players who legitimately were ranked to buy the units, and did so were wrong. If that it the case, then gree should include those in any decisions they end up making. I'd say the first group had zero question that they were cheating. They knew what they were doing, and so far only one here has out right admitted it, and knows he may have some consequences to deal with for it. You guys are trying to avoid consequences for players. Funny, I used to have all sorts of people using exactly the same logic about the hackers. Not glitchers, hackers. Precisely exactly the same arguments. Strange, don't you think. As in it was GREE's fault for letting the hack, and so on and so forth, just insert hackers everywhere you see cheaters, glitchers, exploits, etc, and you'll get the idea. So how much cheating are you willing to accept. What's clearly cheating vs something where's theres a question. At least flake seems to be trying to have some of those questions answered. the way some here are acting, no matter what they say, they couldn't cover enough bases to cover every possible scenario. But enough that the legit players will have a good idea of what is expected, and also if severe penalties get thrown in, I think you'll see most stay away from anything they're not sure about until it's clarified. Actually if I had been the correct rank I might have bought some of those ships. I really don't look at the cost of things. My iph will cover any amount, if not I'll buy vaults. I instantly upgrade buildings with gold when they come out, really don't pay attention to what the cost is. I get asked all the time, how much did it cost to finish masters, etc. I couldn't tell you, I tap until it's done. So that's a case where I really woul t have thought about the cost one way or another. One time I was in a hurry to rearraungemy my base. I accidently deleted two of my highest buildings because I was just clicking away. I did ask gree to restore them, the answer was no. Hell I would have even taken them back at level one and paid to upgrade the again.
You know what they say about the first guys start calling the other names?

You seem to think I am defending glitchers. I'm not
I couldn't care less what happens to the glitches. but I find it amazing you divid them into two groups and at least seem to be definding one group. Do you really need gree to make the call on selling a ship for more than you paid for it being a glitch? your arguement about not paying attention could be used by people of low rank buying ships, I know I for one wouldn't know the diff between ships I should be able to buy and ships.I shouldn't. To be trueful I don't even no what appolo rank is!
yes you never said ban specifically, just like gree never said cheat.

[Baltimore Bully]

So this is what no life looks like lmfao. Get a life out side the game. Get laid and spend your money on better things in life. Stop paying a $hitty company like Gree. For f$&@ sakes!!!

[ezmunie]

Exploiting the game, hacking, cheating, it's all the same with a different name.

[Napgar]

Technically, it falls under "exploit". In the store it clearly shows that the units are meant for those who have completed Apollo Ops Rank. Definitely nothing was hacked, no third-party software was used, no macros or automated bots were used, the game code wasn't modded, etc... but an ability to be able to obtain something unintended was discovered and exploited. I don't honestly believe a single person purchased them truly believing the game intended for them to be capable of purchasing them. Yes, hypothetically, someone could have stumbled upon them in someone's inventory, seen the "Buy" button, and bought them without ever knowing what they were. But you and I, and everyone else here, all know how small the percentage of people who fall in that category would be.

Fully agree with Kefa - as usual, he puts it very clear and concise - and to my opinion and for the sake of the game and the players' community, those who used the exploit should be put back to their status at the date when the exploit became possible...

[Blankboi]

Can a mod lock this thread. It's useless and no point to it. We all cheat. So what, life goes on.

[Mikelord]

This is what they told me in a ticket reguarding the 2.1billion valor

Hi -----,

Thanks for the follow-up, we will only discuss punitive actions taken on an account with the owner of the account.

Thank you,
---------
Player Experience Manager

(Names removed)

[Mikelord]

So pretty much no action is to be taken from the valor exploit, and no actions will be taken to the people with super inflated valor, so pretty much the game is screwed, ask for your refunds and continue on, gree is not doing anyhting

[ezmunie]

Can a mod lock this thread. It's useless and no point to it. We all cheat. So what, life goes on.

I've never cheated in this game or in my real life, so please, don't speak for me. I can do that myself. thanks

[good gawd noooo]

actually they have removed all valor .. for some this include valor they earned fair and square.. yet they still allow Apollo captians to both have the unit and keep the valor that they recycled.. that is so fair of gree .. watch grees bottom line go in the dump when the 97% of layers that give 65% of their profit quit because gree ONLY rewards the big spenders and bends the lil guy over without lube

[sstuutss]

Thanks for keeping us updated gree

[Namshilah]

Clementine, you said you would keep us informed, yet the valor wipe came out of the blue. Not totally unexpected, but when will you guys actually live up to the words you speak, much less basic communication skills with stakeholders. what other actions might you want to give us a heads up about before we discover them to be implemented?

[Pidgeot]

Exploiting the game, hacking, cheating, it's all the same with a different name.

Exploit (Verb): make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource).
Hack (Verb): use a computer to gain unauthorized access to data in a system.
Cheat (Verb): act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination.

Lets make this clear. Again, what you want or say doesn't make it so.

[groovy shags]

Unless a player download and started playing this game today, every single current player has taken advantage of some sort of GREE glitch on both sides of the fence, droid and iOS. No need to list all of them over the past 4 years, you all know what they are. The game as it stands today is horribly tainted and corrupted! I think we all can agree on the above facts. And those facts are simply indisputable!

Here is how GREE can bring this game back from the dead, revive a massive player base, and make a load of cash:

1) clear all players unit inventory, cash and valor back to absolute zero
2) send all players back to level 1, but leave bases and buildings as they are
3) reduce all faction events requirements accordingly (energy, health, etc)
4) start a brand new cycle (FLTQ, ILTQ, boss, frontline and WDE)
5) let the tapping barrage begin!
6) oh how much fun, intensity, and money would be spent!

[ezmunie]

Exploit (Verb): make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource).
Hack (Verb): use a computer to gain unauthorized access to data in a system.
Cheat (Verb): act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination.

Lets make this clear. Again, what you want or say doesn't make it so.

All verbs, all dishonest according to Gree's ToS.

As Clementine said: "Please note that purchasing these items is considered a breach of the Terms of Service."

End of story. :)

[crazeejay]

Yay!!!! End of story

[groovy shags]

It will only be the end of this story when the next glitch hits in a couple more weeks. GREE is excellent at wag the dog politics. Look how fast this glitch made you all forget about how much cash you spent chasing equipment...that then became worthless! Lmao

[crazeejay]

I can't wait until it all burns to the ground

[Modern War Forum GF]

Fix IMO is only halfway .. Still see inventories around with 100k subs and 100k other high end valor units

That states glitch valor has been Abused to stock up on Unreal amounths of those type of units..

[sstuutss]

As Clementine said: "Please note that purchasing these items is considered a breach of the Terms of Service."

End of story. :)
You better have a word to speed then. Thats not how.he chooses to see it.

[Tournai]

So you are upset that you glitched a bunch of money from the Arjun tanks, then used that money to glitch a bunch of valor...

And now you are mad because your "legal" accounts won't work?

Well I Just wanted to check What the impact of this 1 unit can Do! Its Huge! If they dont take the Valor and money back Asap We have Another Major Gap that corrupted the Game. I can use my accounts on IOS though, Why not on Droid! I Do understand the 32bit reason, But Gree must fix this anyway.

[Speed ump]

Tuuts, your obviously here as a troll. Some of us here have spoken our minds, you on the other hand seem to want to explain what we really meant by what we said. That's the sign of a troll. You should be happy and estatic, gree has and is taking action against the people who purchased the units without proper rank. It appears that they will recieve consequences greater than what they gained. Possibly more people will think about it next time before involving themselves. Personally ide have been a bit more severe and also wiped out all cash on hand, and it was suggested to also remove this past wd units.

[Modern War Forum GF]

Tuuts, your obviously here as a troll. Some of us here have spoken our minds, you on the other hand seem to want to explain what we really meant by what we said. That's the sign of a troll. You should be happy and estatic, gree has and is taking action against the people who purchased the units without proper rank. It appears that they will recieve consequences greater than what they gained. Possibly more people will think about it next time before involving themselves. Personally ide have been a bit more severe and also wiped out all cash on hand, and it was suggested to also remove this past wd units.

In no way is more taken then gained...

All those players still having 100k of top valor units in inventory (bc they have THE correct rank, they are not taken away) what a Joke..
All Apollo can still abuse and recycle bc of integer Max loads of valor for relative low cost.

no action taken against players with correct rank, while obviously with increased (yet failed) raise of price of THE unit that must be classified as an exploit/glitch/cheat as Well.

Fix THE fix with a fix you cant fix...

[Speed ump]

They have not deamed those ones to be an issue, as much as some want them to. I'd say the ones wanting that are mostly the ones who took advantage of the non ranked part. guess they want others to share in their misery. And yes the non ranked players have received consequences greater than what they benefitted.

[Big John]

Different rules for different people.

[Bongo]

Easy way forward is to take all ships from everyone including the people with the correct rank...then start afresh, with the correct price and recycle value...

In the end of the day it's gree's fault and they usually can't sort out the mess they create correctly

[Modern War Forum GF]

They have not deamed those ones to be an issue, as much as some want them to. I'd say the ones wanting that are mostly the ones who took advantage of the non ranked part. guess they want others to share in their misery. And yes the non ranked players have received consequences greater than what they benefitted.

Still disagree... Seeiñg lots of screenshots on Groupme showing players on various dragon ranks with Unreal amounth of subs in their inventory.. And lower ranks with THE corresponding valor units stocked up.

My point is when player X unlocks Vicious bomber in a week from now, he Needs About 2B valor to get 3k of them..
Player x Glitched and put 100k of Vicious subs in his inventory.. Recycles those and Buys' 3k bombers..
My point is when player Y unlocks Vicious bomber in a week from now, he Needs About 2B valor to get 3k of them..
Player Y did not glitch and sits on 70m valor, he can buy 100 bombers..

How is that more consequences then benefits?
Fully maxed factions being handed out like hotdogs..

[Speed ump]

It will take time for them to get to everyone to remove the valor and units. So for now you will still see some that have them. You could make a list of the ones you see and send them to gree. I know many of us reported every one of the ones we saw over the weekend

[groovy shags]

It's the oldest play in the book. Wag the dog politics. Look how quick you all stopped posting about the equipment you spent loads of cash chasing, then it became useless. Then your were all distracted by the boat glitch. Now you are distracted by the upgrade glitch! Keep buying vaults...suckers! lol

[sstuutss]

They have not deamed those ones to be an issue,
No No. No need to wait for gree you didn't bother to wait before calling the lower ranks buying apollo cheats. I'm now interested in what mr moral compass has to say,........... though I am having trouble getting an answer out of him.
cheat or not?
will you be calling out sup to make sure the recyclers suffer the same fate?

I can't help but think big john is correct. which saddens me

[Speed ump]

Tuuts, I've already answered that, you apparently are not capable of understanding the answer. Go back and reread my posts as many times as you need.

[Speed ump]

By the way, gree has already decided on those issues, I thought you were aware of the results, at least you have certainly commented about them

[sbs2716g]

Gree should remove all the cash from these people as well

[Modern War Forum GF]

Tuuts, I've already answered that, you apparently are not capable of understanding the answer. Go back and reread my posts as many times as you need.

So, for me in plain english .. Bc iT hard to read between THE lines:

EVERYONE including Apollo's recycling THE ship is in violation of TOS..?

GREE IMO has only ONE option to fix this .. Server reset to last friday before update was pushed out, plain and simple...

[ju100]

or we could just google "google" and break the internet...

[sstuutss]

By the way, gree has already decided on those issues, I thought you were aware of the results, at least you have certainly commented about them
As I said i'm not interested in grees answer. I'm interested in the answer from the man on the moral high ground and if he still intends to take action.
I don't recall yes or a No. If I'm misstake I'm terribly sorry, could I trouble you for a link?
If you choose to wishy wash I'll make up my own mind

[Speed ump]

No Tuuts, I've spent enough time trying to keep you informed. That's not my job, nor is trying to convince you of anything. Use your time and efforts, not mine. Reread those posts as many times as you need. Take your time.

[Big John]

Lot of deflection going on here.

[Speed ump]

Mw , the fix is in, and it's apparently not the one you were looking for. As far as I'm concerned that would have been a good start, then take something more away in addition to that for the ones who bought not correctly ranked. I've already answered about the correctly ranked ones many times, and there was no between the lines you had to read.

[sstuutss]

Interesting. I proved you with links you couldn't find yet you will not reciprocate. how ummmm whats the word........

[groovy shags]

So bottom line is, it's ok to glitch if you are high enough of a rank. That seems pretty fair. Thanks GREE!

[groovy shags]

Just like in real life...the more powerful you are, the more you can get away with. The little guy never has a chance to catch a break!

[groovy shags]

May I please ally with mighty speed ump? I would love to see his inventory. Please give me guidance great one!

[sstuutss]

So bottom line is, it's ok to glitch if you are high enough of a rank. That seems pretty fair. Thanks GREE!

Now I wouldn't say that, though it would seem to be where the evidence is pointing.

[Tee]

So bottom line is, it's ok to glitch if you are high enough of a rank. That seems pretty fair. Thanks GREE!

I think you have it wrong friend. Apparently if you are high enough rank, it is not glitching, cheating or exploiting for unfair advantage. It's fair and square buying and recycling.

[sstuutss]

I think you have it wrong friend. Apparently if you are high enough rank, it is not glitching, cheating or exploiting for unfair advantage. It's fair and square buying and recycling.

yes..gree wanted to reward their whales with unlimited cash(ok lets face it they pretty much had that) and unlimited valor. At least so I'm lead to believe.

[Stubby1113]

I think you have it wrong friend. Apparently if you are high enough rank, it is not glitching, cheating or exploiting for unfair advantage. It's fair and square buying and recycling.

That is incorrect. Those that were ranked high enough were still exploiting a glitch.

[Big John]

Is there anywhere I can read that the holier than thou players called the Apollo rank players cheats?

[SiaoNam]

It will take time for them to get to everyone to remove the valor and units. So for now you will still see some that have them. You could make a list of the ones you see and send them to gree. I know many of us reported every one of the ones we saw over the weekend

Haha.... That's ship appear to collect all equipment that most had forgotten spent on. (^o^)
A sudden deviation of equipment unhappiness from most players... (^_-)
What's next? Continue with the ships or equipment? ^_^

[Tee]

Untill Gree comes out and says that the higher ranks were exploiting for unfair advantage I will assume the game is working as intended and all is exactly as it should be. Regardless of who states otherwise or how many times it is said.

GREE decides not the players. It is their ball of wax not ours. Our opinions of fair and unfair do not matter.

[sstuutss]

Is there anywhere I can read that the holier than thou players called the Apollo rank players cheats?
Not that I'm aware of. their compass seems a little off in my lowly worthless trolling
opinion(yeah ok I haven't been called some of those names but I'm to lazy to look them all up)
There are things going on we are not worthy of.

[sstuutss]

GREE decides not the players. It is their ball of wax not ours. Our opinions of fair and unfair do not matter.
For sure, I just found some peoples opinions very interesting,.........

[Stubby1113]

Untill Gree comes out and says that the higher ranks were exploiting for unfair advantage I will assume the game is working as intended and all is exactly as it should be. Regardless of who states otherwise or how many times it is said.

GREE decides not the players. It is their ball of wax not ours. Our opinions of fair and unfair do not matter.

Here you go Tee.
http://forums.gree.net/showthread.php?107397-Mods-I-have-a-question-regarding-recycling

[Tee]

Ah ha, interesting indeed BUT. "Please do not recycle it" isnt really coming out an saying that Apollo rank or higher is breaching the TOS, exploiting, cheating or glitching now is it.

[Stubby1113]

Read it how you want Tee but it says that was the "glitch" that was being worked on. Guess you must have recycled a few.

[sstuutss]

Read it how you want Tee but it says that was the "glitch" that was being worked on. Guess you must have recycled a few.
I find it interesting how some people have no trouble putting words in grees mouth when it suits their arguement, yet they get very picky about exactly what gree said when it doesn't.

[MW Flake]

Ump, for all these years, I've stayed out of the whole SUP vs. the world nonsense. Never formed any opinion on it, never took any sides. Same for any of the other top factions out there. Even now, I still don't.

However, today I have learned that you are a lying, backpedaling, hypocrit.

Not because any of your Apollo ranked team may have taken advantage of this. Quite the contrary actually, as I've said all along gree screws up so much that we dont know what is broken and whats legit.But because after swearing up and down you would never allow any glitchres within your ranks, that you would immediately kick any found to be guilty, you now try to change the facts surrounding it to try to support your comments.

Deflection after deflection. Mr Integrity that can't man up and admit how wrong he was. At least the guy that gave Gree 24 hours to fix things stuck to his word. But not you, Mr Morals. Go ahead, pretend not to be able to find posts that Clem and relic made, even when provided links. Yeah I forgot, I made those up. Go ahead and pretend you have some inside information telling you they were the correct price (now that the price has been changed). Keep believing what you want, but for one thing I will thank you.

You have finally shown me your true colors.

[Tee]

Hold on there stubby. No need for pointless guesses.

It is clear that Gree has determined that the lower ranks were baddies.

It has not yet been made clear by Gree that the Apollo rank and higher have done anything wrong.

IF the higher ranks have have breached the TOS surely they will receive the same adjustments to inventory and valor. At least I assume that would come to pass.

[MW Flake]

Ah ha, interesting indeed BUT. "Please do not recycle it" isnt really coming out an saying that Apollo rank or higher is breaching the TOS, exploiting, cheating or glitching now is it.

There are two parts to it tee. The other is Clem saying that buying those units is against the TOS. So you now have each Community Manager weighing in stating the both halves of the equation is a violation.

[MW Flake]

http://forums.gree.net/showthread.php?107245-should-I-buy-the-ship-everyone-is-talking-about&p=1471023#post1471023

[sstuutss]

Ump, for all these years, I've stayed out of the whole SUP vs. the world nonsense. Never formed any opinion on it, never took any sides. Same for any of the other top factions out there. Even now, I still don't.

However, today I have learned that you are a lying, backpedaling, hypocrit.

Not because any of your Apollo ranked team may have taken advantage of this. Quite the contrary actually, as I've said all along gree screws up so much that we dont know what is broken and whats legit.But because after swearing up and down you would never allow any glitchres within your ranks, that you would immediately kick any found to be guilty, you now try to change the facts surrounding it to try to support your comments.

Deflection after deflection. Mr Integrity that can't man up and admit how wrong he was. At least the guy that gave Gree 24 hours to fix things stuck to his word. But not you, Mr Morals. Go ahead, pretend not to be able to find posts that Clem and relic made, even when provided links. Yeah I forgot, I made those up. Go ahead and pretend you have some inside information telling you they were the correct price (now that the price has been changed). Keep believing what you want, but for one thing I will thank you.

You have finally shown me your true colors.

While I try to stay out of this sort of thing, as speed is the one that started the whole moral debate, I feel its fair enough. Certainly couldn't have written it as well myself.

[sstuutss]

Hold on there stubby. No need for pointless guesses.

It is clear that Gree has determined that the lower ranks were baddies.

It has not yet been made clear by Gree that the Apollo rank and higher have done anything wrong.

IF the higher ranks have have breached the TOS surely they will receive the same adjustments to inventory and valor. At least I assume that would come to pass.
if you want to go reading things into what gree have said. Whats the title of this thread? Think about that for a minute.

[Stubby1113]

Beat me to it tuuts

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under the law the price you see is the price you are legally allowed to pay until changed by the seller. wether a mistake or not no company can change the price after and then say u owe us the rest.

if players of that rank bought those things at the rank for that price they are protected by law not governed by grees tos.its gree staffs error and now gree have fixed their error and corrected the price of buying said items.

so for those players who earned that rank they should be allowed to keep them.

as for players selling... thats something else.

if i was to keep playing this bugged up trash. at a guess my game would take a year plus to reach their level of rank so they should not be penalised for gree fkup. imo.

[Stubby1113]

By your thinking then those that bought the units with out being ranked should not be punished either. The price was posted and units bought. Gree's F up

[setfreejoe7803]

Well I am back in now after being locked out. And YES gree took away units and valor so my stats are back to where they were before glitch.

[MW Flake]

under the law the price you see is the price you are legally allowed to pay until changed by the seller. wether a mistake or not no company can change the price after and then say u owe us the rest.

if players of that rank bought those things at the rank for that price they are protected by law not governed by grees tos.its gree staffs error and now gree have fixed their error and corrected the price of buying said items.

so for those players who earned that rank they should be allowed to keep them.

as for players selling... thats something else.

if i was to keep playing this bugged up trash. at a guess my game would take a year plus to reach their level of rank so they should not be penalised for gree fkup. imo.

Where you argument falls apart is that what takes place is not the real world. Gold purchases yes, but anything else is just make believe.

You go to a rich kids house. He has every cool toy you can imagine. He sets up a pretend store with all of his toys for sale. You uses his Monopoly money and buy all the very best ones. At the end of the day when you leave, they are still his toys. You don't get to take them with you. Even if he charged you real money for the privilege to use his Monopoly money, it's all still his.

Its no different here.

[Speed ump]

Quite correct tee. And pretty much what I've sood all along, though as you see, some want to read what people say to possibly mean what they say they meant. If gree at some point decided the properly ranked players were cheating, so be it, as I've stated. Seems gree did make the determination, as you noticed, and that's what we all have to live by.

[Speed ump]

Flake, it seems you've decided to argue any point of view that's not your own. All you have to do is state what you believe. And then you can answer any questions people might have about those. Instead, you pounce on everyone who dosnt agree with you. I m not the one going around calling the people here names for their thoughts, it seems you're doing that well enough on your own.

[Modern War Forum GF]

Quite correct tee. And pretty much what I've sood all along, though as you see, some want to read what people say to possibly mean what they say they meant. If gree at some point decided the properly ranked players were cheating, so be it, as I've stated. Seems gree did make the determination, as you noticed, and that's what we all have to live by.

Let us have a GREE rep. Make an end to THE confusion and State exactly how that stand on this..

Plain and simple:

Glitch part one is clear .. Non ranked players were not allowed to buy and recycle THE rank units. Actions has been taken to fix that (partly, since no stocked up legit valor units have been removed, but thats my personal opinion what should be done as Well)

Glitch part 2 is unclear .. Apollo ranks .. Being asked by GREE to NOT buy and recycle THE units .. Some did.. So whats happening to those? Thats whats left for GREE to clear...

Do they keep their valor? YES or NO.

[Speed ump]

Set free, what does iph have to do with it? And I think the powers that be have already made the determination about who did and did not use a glitch. Are you guys still arguing a point which has already been settled,lol. Next subject please. Anything new ? What about the ones someone posted in another thread that had ten of the usa raid boss unit. Unless I'm mistaken, and again, I say for the record, I don't keep up with all the prizes, I have others who do to keep me informed, that we all should have had only ine of those. If so can everyone agree there is some cheating going on there? Or do you think it's a matter of opinion whether or not having ten of something you can only have one of , meets the requirement in your book to be called cheating

[Speed ump]

Remeber, gree allowed it to be possible to get them, by not preventing it well enough in their code. So what your thoughts in this one

[MW Flake]

I'm not the one trying to wiggle, slip, and slide past my own words Ump. it is what it is, you are what you are, I am what I am.

Your words and actions speak of what you are really about. So does grees. So do mine.

My position on whether it was permissible or not hasn't changed. Gree has done a 180 on their position. But that's not the discussion we are having now. Nice try at deflecting away though.

You justify what you want, when convenient for you, to support things your way. Just like most everyone else around here.

Mr. Integrity. As wishy washy as anyone else.

[setfreejoe7803]

It doesnt matter to me man. All is good. SUP is untouchable in game play and me.....Im semi retired and hanging with a top 100. Away from all the B.S., Faction politics and finger pointing that goes with running with a top team. Im playing gold free and YES glitch free from here on out. Just gonna have fun and not worry about crap anymore. Good luck to everyone.

[Speed ump]

Flake, my words have remained the same the whole time, sorry if you have a problem understanding them. The truth is your on your way to becoming a troll, you're just against whatever certain people are for. I have clearly stated over and over again, that the ones who bought the u it unranked should face some consequences, and I have not deviated from that at all. Just because you say so dosnt make it true. Just as many of you here now feel that gree did make a decision, that it's still not considered cheating. modern war, I'd like to see that answered clearly myself. For more reasons than just what most are thinking of.

[groovy shags]

It's obvious this ump guy has zero integrity. Sitting on his high horse demoralizing everyone else, while they obviously have massive amounts of boats, cash and valor! Their comment are simply meaningless! I once again ask to make me an ally so I can see your inventory! I want to model myself after your morals....please give me the chance!

[setfreejoe7803]

I faced my consequences. Units are gone. Valor is gone and lost billions from being raided while locked out

[MW Flake]

Your play book needs some freshening up there ump. Now I'm trolling lol?

Your words mean next to nothing. Your actions say so much more. Go ahead, backtrack through your little maze of twisted actions and words. I won't follow. It doesn't matter to me if others have seen you for what you really are, vs. what you claim to be. I've already seen enough.

[Speed ump]

It seems you're the one making something obvious flake. But, good luck with that type of thinking, I'm sure it will get you far in life.

[Tinker]

I faced my consequences. Units are gone. Valor is gone and lost billions from being raided while locked out

No worries Free. This is Gree. There will be another glitch in a week or so. Then it starts all over:)

[Speed ump]

Groovy, I don't have a single one of those ships, on any of my games, and never did. Still don't. Now what?

[Speed ump]

Groovy, sorry fella, you have sphere room to be talking about such things, just noticed where you admitted what you've done.

Quote Originally Posted by TMGCCPERCY View Post
Should've spent your 1.9b valor on the best valor units available (legit to rank or boost building upgraded) then recycle them when the storm blows over.. I wonder how many have done this? Gree, guess you'll have to take all valor purchased units, during the glitch, back or better yet just nuke this game and start everyone from scratch... Because, WE'VE ALL EXPLOITED A GLITCH/ERROR AT SOME POINT!
Oh don't worry...I did buy 10s of thousands of valor units to recycle in the future. What...do you think I am not smarter than GREE!? lmao

[groovy shags]

Then once again...I would like to be your ally ump. Since you have nothing to hide anyway! Please post ID and store valor screen shots. Thanks in advance lord Jesus!

[Speed ump]

Send me your code and name, I'll send you an ally request

[groovy shags]

And heck yes...I have been a part of every single glitch in this game! At least I am man enough to admit it! Unlike you ump god!

[Speed ump]

I won't admit to something I didn't do. Pretty simple isn't it? You pm me your ID and ign?

[Speed ump]

So an admitted cheater trying to call others cheaters, how hilarious. How far have all your cheating put together gotten you?

[groovy shags]

So you will ally with me?

[groovy shags]

You have been playing for 4 years, with over 2000 posts. Certainly you must be of the highest integrity!

[groovy shags]

Waiting....

[Speed ump]

Like I said, pm me your game name and I'd, I will ally you

[groovy shags]

Hmmmm.....still waiting....

[groovy shags]

Post it here mr integrity!

[Speed ump]

Are you guys really this slow, I've said it three times now. Jesus

[groovy shags]

I don't know how to pm...I am a noob!

[Speed ump]

Post yours groovy, I'm not allying the whole game, just you.

[groovy shags]

Strange you refuse to offer me alligiance!

[Speed ump]

You're a liar it seems, good day to you then.

[groovy shags]

As I suspected...your horse is too high! Pm me your code. I know how to check messages.

[groovy shags]

Just checked my inbox...nothing from the umpire.

[groovy shags]

Hmmm....must be lag on umps end...

[groovy shags]

Wonder if that's how all sup tards are...

[groovy shags]

Because morons spends thousands on a fantasy game, they think they are Jesus in real life. lol

[Speed ump]

So now you admit you do know how to pm, again, I'm waiting. Not going to play children's games with you groovy.

[MW Flake]

Wonder if that's how all sup tards are...
Now, now. No need to go there. After all the stones cast, he's just hoping his glass house doesn't shatter.

[Speed ump]

Trying to break mine, because yours already is?lol

[groovy shags]

I know how to reply to Pm in my inbox. Don't know how to start a pm. Sorry Jesus

[groovy shags]

If you think you havnt been involved in a glitch ump, you are just lying to yourself. And that's the worst kind of lie!

[Speed ump]

Ok admitted cheater, if you say so

[Tinker]

Because morons spends thousands on a fantasy game, they think they are Jesus in real life. lol

If this were poker it would be speed raised, groovy called and speed folded. Probably his pair of twos were going to be beat by the Royal Flush.

[MW Flake]

Trying to break mine, because yours already is?lol
Nope. Nothing to hide here. Nothing to retract, deflect, shirk off, explain away, or attempt to nullify either.

[Stubby1113]

Groovy just tap on his name and send a pm. This is getting pretty stupid

[groovy shags]

Like tinker said...I am holding the nuts hand here. Don't know why he will not send to me.