Bye-bye accomplices

[Evan1000]

Heard they're going away forever.. great.. you just better make up for all the items we missed. That includes plenty of modifiers, the biggest being a 14% mafia attack from all 4 final prizes for the Raid boss. That's a probable 28m attack increase alone for me.

I'll take 2 vaults of gold if I must, but I won't settle for anything less ;)

[Nighteg]

I hope someone is getting fired for this

[cooch]

Heard they're going away forever.. great.. you just better make up for all the items we missed. That includes plenty of modifiers, the biggest being a 14% mafia attack from all 4 final prizes for the Raid boss. That's a probable 28m attack increase alone for me.

I'll take 2 vaults of gold if I must, but I won't settle for anything less ;)

Beta testers warned them. EPIC FAILURE because how they implemented. Could have worked and saved the big 3 games

[Sleazy_P_Martini]

Frak! I called it. I know it was my post that made them decide this.







Edit: or is this early April fools shenanigans?

[Sam@]

It's official read sticky!!!!

[abnugget]

Question: Do people have a problem with Accomplices because of the crazy algorithm that places such a dependence on them? And because of the fact that there is an unfair balance placed upon the accomplices stats compared to our raw att/ def stats? Or do people have a problem with the idea of adding a new way to gain power? My biggest issue is that my raw att/def stats seem to mean nothing anymore; last two wars I lost to people 50 million less attack than me which is insane. But I love the idea of having a new attainable stat to play for. I guess my point is it's nice to have something new to play for but the algorithm is so unfair because of the new balance of stats.

Welp... New sticky answers it all. Lol

[hellovodka]

I dont want them gone i wont be able to rob very well since everyone i rob has better stats than me

[Sam@]

I hope someone is getting fired for this.

As much as I call *name removed* out he doesn't deserve to be fired. He does however need to communicate with us on the forum and I don't mean the ask a developer program. He should be here telling us events he has in mind and ltb buildings giving us players some input. Maybe setup a vote for events, buildings and rewards to a certain extent. What do you think *name removed*? Surely you could spare some time to talk with us? Come on don't make Clementine do everything forum related. Look forward to your response soon.

[Sleazy_P_Martini]

Let us not kid ourselves. *name removed* was at the head of this project.

[Sam@]

Let us not kid ourselves. *name removed* was at the head of this project.

I thought he was to blame but this system is in Kingdom Age and Modern War . Unsure if he has control of 3 games possibility but I find th that unlikely.

[Relic]

Everyone,

This is a quick reminder that naming and shaming is against our Code of Conduct. Please refrain from doing so.

Thank you.

[Evan1000]

Everyone,

This is a quick reminder that naming and shaming is agains our Code of Conduct. Please refrain from doing so.

Thank you.

Mind looking three threads down please? It'd be appreciated

Thanks in advance

[Relic]

I'll take a look.

How about you get back on topic or I close the thread?

Thank you.

[Sleazy_P_Martini]

Everyone,

This is a quick reminder that naming and shaming is against our Code of Conduct. Please refrain from doing so.

Thank you.
I just read this thread http://forums.gree.net/announcement.php?f=14 and saw no mention of what you are referring to. While some of the language is purposely vague to cover a wide range of topics, I see nothing specific to what you are mentioning. Can you show me this code of conduct you speak of so I may familiarize myself in the future?

[Evan1000]

Alright guys back on topic: Where my attack mods at?

[Relic]

I just read this thread http://forums.gree.net/announcement.php?f=14 and saw no mention of what you are referring to. While some of the language is purposely vague to cover a wide range of topics, I see nothing specific to what you are mentioning. Can you show me this code of conduct you speak of so I may familiarize myself in the future?

I see what you're referring to - there isn't a mention of naming and shaming in the general code of conduct. I'll make sure that it's added, as it should be there since there is an infraction for it on the backend. Thanks for calling this to my attention.

Let's get back on topic and bring code of conduct questions to Clementine or me via PM.

Thank you.

[aarondavidsdad]

You are coming down with an awfully heavy hand Relic. Did you not expect people to be hot and expect some answers from apparently the only face from Gree who has a presence in this forum? No one has said anything that anyone with thicker skin than a teenager could handle. Please use some common sense in dealing with the community, especially when something like yanking the accomplices will cause people to go absolutely bat sh_t crazy.

[Relic]

Hi,

It's not appropriate to name someone on this forum in any way that can shame them, including moderators and GREE staff. If sentiment is that someone should be fired, well, it is unfortunate -- but to name that individual in that context, whether intended or not, is opening them up to shaming.

As the announcement says, there will be new information on the topic of accomplices coming soon. I'll let the development team know your questions and concerns so they can hopefully be addressed when the information is available.

Thank you.

[Thatkidyouknow]

So either a lot of gold for every account in the game or 200k raw stats for each accomplice attack/defense point. Your move GREE.

[Evan1000]

Sorry Relic, perhaps I came off with a bad impression. It's just that the company you work for has a history of making poor decisions, and you being the only staff member to ever show up in a couple months after probably their biggest one yet.. you're being caught in the crossfire.

[Weasel]

If Gree actually does "get rid of" accomplices, I'd be perfectly content just pretending that whole giant mistake never happened.

It happened to all of us at the same time, for the same amount of time. Compensation isn't really called for in that sense.

Maybe the old "here's 250 gold, sorry we suck" would be nice though. Haven't seen that in quite some time.

[Sam@]

Just asking for more communication from a developer stand point I think it would bring more fun and revenue. Give us the chance to vote on certain aspects of the game. I understand players can't have there hands in everything but some player input would be great. Example Let's say you all have a few buildings planned for the next LTB put them out to vote along with a few different prizes with them. Let us chose a prize for a event stuff like that is what I was referring to.

[fan139]

Hi,

It's not appropriate to name someone on this forum in any way that can shame them, including moderators and GREE staff. If sentiment is that someone should be fired, well, it is unfortunate -- but to name that individual in that context, whether intended or not, is opening them up to shaming.

As the announcement says, there will be new information on the topic of accomplices coming soon. I'll let the development team know your questions and concerns so they can hopefully be addressed when the information is available.

Thank you.

Yes you are right, but at the same time people are not going to be happy about what they currently see as wasting money....

The reason they are unhappy is that what is going to be done instead has not been said....

It should of gone we are sorry to say we are removing acomplsis due to feedback.... Here is our solution to the issue to compensate the players......

That way people wouldnt be going mad and FLOODING apple and google

[aarondavidsdad]

This change is a bait and switch.

[abnugget]

Let's at least respect the fact Relic is answering and responding to forums. Took this long for these forums to actually be taken seriously by Gree. I do think people are tired of the vague language Gree historically uses and the community would like clear standards for how you expect us to act.

[Rosie25]

I'm glad they're doing away with them they're a pain to deal with I just wish they made this events less longer lets go back to the regular 3 day battle and 2 day SA we all have lives besides game and gree seems to forget this

[Jason_Bourne]

Question: Do people have a problem with Accomplices because of the crazy algorithm that places such a dependence on them? And because of the fact that there is an unfair balance placed upon the accomplices stats compared to our raw att/ def stats? Or do people have a problem with the idea of adding a new way to gain power? My biggest issue is that my raw att/def stats seem to mean nothing anymore; last two wars I lost to people 50 million less attack than me which is insane. But I love the idea of having a new attainable stat to play for. I guess my point is it's nice to have something new to play for but the algorithm is so unfair because of the new balance of stats.

Welp... New sticky answers it all. Lol

Very good point. Here is my opinion...

Relic, Clementine would you mind communicating this to the appropriate teams please:

I don't think the whole idea of accomplices was bad... As abnugget suggested, I think having a new way to gain power was a neat idea, however, Gree, you handled it HORRIBLY from a few angles:

1- The algorithm was put into effect too sudden, resulting in the effect of mafia stats practically be cut into half overnight, which made many ppl unhappy. There should have been a transition, i.e. introduce accomplices, explain what they are, add them as rewards of events so ppl start collecting them for a while, before suddenly switching the algorithms... and not 50% weight all of a sudden either. You should have introduced a gradual increase in their pvp weight. this transition should have been done over several months with proper announcements, clear roadmaps, timelines, etc.

2- WITH THE SAME UPDATE that pushed the new algorithm, you should have implemented a way for us to see the stats of all 3 parameters, and a way to predict the outcome of a pvp. This uncertainty was the main reason many ppl stopped robbing and attacking.

3- Why did you make this change at the same time as the change that brought attacker's def and defender's att into play? Again not a bad idea, but too much change in too little time was a really bad strategy...

Now to compensate all you bad moves, you are making yet another bad move by removing them altogether...

[Relic]

Just to reiterate what the announcement states: Accomplices won't be removed from the game, they will still remain in your inventory.

They are not going away. The stats you've invested in via Accomplices will be used in a meaningful manner in a feature to be announced in the future.

[Sandukan]

Just to reiterate what the announcement states: Accomplices won't be removed from the game, they will still remain in your inventory.

They are not going away. The stats you've invested in via Accomplices will be used in a meaningful manner in a feature to be announced in the future.

So this is a I.O.U.?
We will have to wait until you decide what to use the accomplices for?
I would never have bought those things if they were only for special occasions.

[Jason_Bourne]

Just to reiterate what the announcement states: Accomplices won't be removed from the game, they will still remain in your inventory.

They are not going away. The stats you've invested in via Accomplices will be used in a meaningful manner in a feature to be announced in the future.

So what you are really saying is YOU don't know either!

Did you read my post above, Relic? That's your problem right there. Did you (I mean Gree, not you personally Relic) learn nothing from your mistakes with accomplices? Players don't want to be surprised. You want to surprise us? fine- do it with a surprise box event; but changing such a major aspect of the game should be planned for well in advance. You should have a clear strategy and communicate it with us... EARLY, and clearly.

Stop making such major decisions overnight. Think long term! Why not have a roadmap (for major changes of course, not for details of little events) for at least the next year? And communicate that with your players. That's the way to go...

I would normally charge for my advice but hey now you got it for free!

[fan139]

So what you are really saying is YOU don't know either!

Did you read my post above, Relic? That's your problem right there. Did you (I mean Gree, not you personally Relic) learn nothing from your mistakes with accomplices? Players don't want to be surprised. You want to surprise us? fine- do it with a surprise box event; but changing such a major aspect of the game should be planned for well in advance. You should have a clear strategy and communicate it with us... EARLY, and clearly.

Stop making such major decisions overnight. Think long term! Why not have a roadmap (for major changes of course, not for details of little events) for at least the next year? And communicate that with your players. That's the way to go...

I would normally charge for my advice but hey now you got it for free!

Gree probally already have a consultant, problem is she/he has said ingore all and every single bit of customer feedback ever given

[Sleazy_P_Martini]

Gree probally already have a consultant, problem is she/he has said ingore all and every single bit of customer feedback ever given

Gree listened to the customers. That's why there's this change.

[Weasel]

Gree listened to the customers. That's why there's this change.

Nah, Gree listened to the accountant.

"Whatever you guys down there just did, it made my yacht smaller. Undo whatever you just did, and do it yesterday!"

[Sleazy_P_Martini]

Nah, Gree listened to the accountant.

http://i62.tinypic.com/11brint.jpg

[AdamVD]

So when should Gold bundle buyers expect there cash refunds?

[jfgarzon]

I was considering buying the 99.99 one for the accomplice good thing i didn't

[Winnson]

This should be interesting.

[HavingFun]

So when should Gold bundle buyers expect there cash refunds?

You got the gold and everything else in the bundle correct. Why should you get a refund?

[-Batman-]

You got the gold and everything else in the bundle correct. Why should you get a refund?
Because they sold something not fit for purpose

[HavingFun]

Because they sold something not fit for purpose

Gree can change gameplay, algorithms, building payouts, or anything else they deem necessary at their discretion at anytime they choose. Why is that concept so difficult for folks to understand. If anyone disagrees with their changes in the games direction or philosophies then stop spending money on this game. I imagine over half of the people whining about the change are free players anyways. The other half were whining when accomplices were added and now whining they are being removed from PVP. How I wish Gree would just go ahead and give the gold back (not cash refund) to those
whom request but also take every single item they obtained in the process including individual battle and SA prizes and modifiers, the re-released LTBs, LTQ prizes and modifiers, and every single accomplice they have except Carey Dean. Then I hope Gree releases a new event based solely on accomplice/kingpin strength.

[aarondavidsdad]

Gree can change gameplay, algorithms, building payouts, or anything else they deem necessary at their discretion at anytime they choose. Why is that concept so difficult for folks to understand. If anyone disagrees with their changes in the games direction or philosophies then stop spending money on this game. I imagine over half of the people whining about the change are free players anyways. The other half were whining when accomplices were added and now whining they are being removed from PVP. How I wish Gree would just go ahead and give the gold back (not cash refund) to those
whom request but also take every single item they obtained in the process including individual battle and SA prizes and modifiers, the re-released LTBs, LTQ prizes and modifiers, and every single accomplice they have except Carey Dean. Then I hope Gree releases a new event based solely on accomplice/kingpin strength.

Are you familiar with the phrase "bait and switch"? It applies perfectly to this situation with the accompli.

[HavingFun]

Are you familiar with the phrase "bait and switch"? It applies perfectly to this situation with the accompli.

The accomplices did exactly as they were advertised to do during the time frame that accomplices were being sold in crates and bundles and as event prizes, etc. Gree never said accomplices would last forever.

[[]GoD[] Foxy]

If they do give refunds then the accomplices, gold, stat items and in game cash that you received as a result of your pack purchase should be removed from your profile.
As that is what a refund is, you have to return what you purchased in order to receive your money back.
unless you are after compensation for a mis sold item, bit harder to prove as the items will still have a use and as we don't know what that is, can we all shut up until we do?

[kimberleyj]

At last gree is listening to us . Bye bye kingpins good bye to bad rubbish.

[Max Power]

It happened to all of us at the same time, for the same amount of time. Compensation isn't really called for in that sense.



Exactly, same issue for everybody, nobody is singled out. Asking for compensation for "items missed" when everybody else missed then as well is beyond stupid.

[Winnson]

Let me know when I can edit my signature.

[Rodimus]

Let me know when I can edit my signature.

Good one, winnson. You win the thread.

[Thugporn]

People mention the ridiculous stat's numbers that are getting out of control and ask for a simple squish, Gree goes out and revamp the entire system with something more confusing, community complains, grees goes back to undo the mess they created, and now theyre rewarding OP stat items like this is MW? Seems to me like one of gree's developers became butthurt over the accomplice removal and decided to troll by giving out a million stats for fully upgrading a ltb,ect...

[Weasel]

Accomplices and kingpins still matter for pvp and robs. I just attacked a rival and lost, ajusted my 'team equipment', attacked again and won.

Looks like there should be another game update before the next war.

[sister morphine]

Accomplices and kingpins still matter for pvp and robs. I just attacked a rival and lost, ajusted my 'team equipment', attacked again and won.

Looks like there should be another game update before the next war.
They'll work as normal up until the forthcoming war starts.

[montecore]

Accomplices and kingpins still matter for pvp and robs. I just attacked a rival and lost, ajusted my 'team equipment', attacked again and won.

Looks like there should be another game update before the next war.

TL;DR.

Stop crying.

[Leen de Waardt]

I have exactly the same expirience. The accomplices gave me a chance to make a comeback after lvl-up to fast for a long time. Now its back to the old boring 10% rob/fight balance. I will miss the fun of robbing rivals with stats 150% of myself.

[Weasel]

TL;DR.

Stop crying.

Either your reading comprehension is non-existent, or you are the worst troll in the history of trolls.

[Dipstik]

Id say he was successful...

[plavine]

the accomplices were starting to grow on me: I lost to some lower , beat some higher:
As was stated above , being able to see the opponents mafia and kingpin values might have been nice

[montecore]

Dippy, may be a little harsh in this thread, but he's right...

[John_Locke]

Everyone,

This is a quick reminder that naming and shaming is against our Code of Conduct. Please refrain from doing so.

Thank you.

It's also unnecessary. The Gree team is doing a fantastic job shaming themselves.