HEROIC MODE: shorter time/lower droprate

[Sean A Roberts]

Yes it is frustrating to me that they continue to make the event harder but it is understandable that gree doesn't want to just give away plus armor. I will most likely gem a bit to get the plus version this time but I'm not sure yet as there is still 12 days left. I was more or less making this thread to get others opinions on the issue and hopefully a response from gree as to do they intend to make the next event also shorter/lower drop rate or is this where they were looking to be. And one last question will this issue cause any of you to stop playing? Answer the poll and let gree know.

[Phill - Immortal GM]

I would generally define myself as p2p, although not spending 200$ a week on this like others are.

It wouldn't ever cause me to quit. If it was the only way to get Epics, it might, as Pay2Win would turn into Pay2Play, forcefully.
i personally will finish but that is due to covering any element combo with a Generation 5 or upwards GW/Chest Epic and friends having mostly recent EW/Raid+ epics.


Let's see what happens ~5 Heroic modes from here on though, can't wait!

Cheers;
~ Phill

[Adisty]

A shorter time would make me quit playing the heroic mode for the plus version.

[legalious]

Its not like I can get the plus version in the first place. No effect on me.

[Smiley80]

it takes me 8 days to complete everything. I do not gem, but i use about 25 potions and friends. I have 15 maxed epics including 4 plus versions.

making it harder (i.e. less days) is normal and a good modification from the first heroic. 1 month gave enough time to a rookie player to get an epic plus. Now someone with no epics can get their first epic for free and people who are full of epics can get an epic plus for free.

there is also a secondary effect that through wars and raids then can cycle every armor combination in 4 months. with raids it would take 16 months to see the element combination come around again (unless they only anticipate doing mono elements)

i like the changes, it makes it more challenging but very doable.

[Street Shark]

The hardest part is being able to craft with the low armor inventory

[watermelon]

Hahahah

First of all, those of you who are using this thread as an opportunity to brag "oh i have 2500 random junk in my armory as an indirect results of all the gemming I have done" or "Oh i have 245 epics so I don't care" You are all pathetic. Yeah you must be such a big man and all your randomly purchased expensive pixels totally prove it.

Let's stay on topic, shall we?

I for one like the idea that it's challenging to craft epic+. Whether you spend money on it or not, all epics and especially epic+ should be hard to come by, and I like that we have to actually struggle to craft it in time. Even the non plus version of the armor is pretty decent, and worth using, and it's a nice and refreshing thought knowing that if you keep working at it, you will get it. This is completely different from opening chests or fusing, as you don't really know what you are going to get.

Already having epic is becoming the norm, not an exception. If you want a decent success in war or in arena, it's pretty much mandatory that you have to have epics. If crafting epic+ was so easy, it will just make everyone's armors cancel each other out.

... and regarding some comments about how it's impossible to earn all the crystals in time, I don't agree at all. Yeah, the drop rates seem to have been lowered and we don't have too many days to complete the heroic mode, but I can still get a lot done in a day if I carefully time my energy refills... and maybe a handful of potions if I get impatient. It's not impossible at all, and for those who are really struggling, I think it could happen to you if you don't have a good complete set of armors... so maybe this is a sign that you need to keep working at improving your collection. Maybe in the next heroics event you will have much easier time?

For your information, I can collect about 8-10 shards a day with moderate amount of game play, and much more than that during weekends. I balance difficult levels (later stages) with easier levels so I can use all my armors efficiently with optimal element alignment.

[geo81]

It's frustrating but I understand why they did it. It was just to easy to get an epic+. I like that it's harder. I'll still get the plus with no gems, just higher activity.

[SBBL Indigo]

Hahahah

First of all, those of you who are using this thread as an opportunity to brag "oh i have 2500 random junk in my armory as an indirect results of all the gemming I have done" or "Oh i have 245 epics so I don't care" You are all pathetic. Yeah you must be such a big man and all your randomly purchased expensive pixels totally prove it.


Loooool this watermelon is super bitter!

dRRock has a really valid point that doesn't affect just big gemmers. With heroic and also epic boss collection events, you save a load of 2 stars etc ready to level them to 35 to start crafting plus versions and you can't craft cos you don't have room. It's frustrating. And it's a fact that some people DO have over 100 epics whether watermelon likes it or not, how are you supposed to participate?

[Lord P]

Loooool this watermelon is super bitter!

dRRock has a really valid point that doesn't affect just big gemmers. With heroic and also epic boss collection events, you save a load of 2 stars etc ready to level them to 35 to start crafting plus versions and you can't craft cos you don't have room. It's frustrating. And it's a fact that some people DO have over 100 epics whether watermelon likes it or not, how are you supposed to participate?
Gree did state that it was a limitation of the program and hardware that they must have limited spots for armor..... kind of sad programming if you ask me but this is what they said. I just have to smelt things even if I don't want to. Sad but true.

P.S. check your inbox.... :cool:

[greenwing]

With some decent EB armors you should be able to get the epic version. Once you have some good epics you should be able to also finish the epic+ part. With the current timing and drop rates I can still do the epic+ part without gemming or using potions. I think it is good they shortened the time because it should not be easy for everybody to get a free epic+

[Ownsmash]

Yes it is frustrating to me that they continue to make the event harder but it is understandable that gree doesn't want to just give away plus armor. I will most likely gem a bit to get the plus version this time but I'm not sure yet as there is still 12 days left. I was more or less making this thread to get others opinions on the issue and hopefully a response from gree as to do they intend to make the next event also shorter/lower drop rate or is this where they were looking to be. And one last question will this issue cause any of you to stop playing? Answer the poll and let gree know.

Meh. It's just something to do at this point, the real issue is the lack of story content and USELESS personal quests.

[Brimstome]

need to get different bosses and not reusing the same bosses in every heroic mode event

[Mark Lester]

Hi all.. not happy GREEE

Attacked heroic boss for second last crystal with 2 shards left (with special attack or not) 13 times no drop..

is this a glitch?

Several people in danger group also stuck at the same point

what's going on?

[Smiley80]

I have noticed in the last couple days the drop rate decrease significantly. 15-20% drop rate. two days ago i got 0/3 from the dark prince stage and yesterday i got 1/5. And before geting to the dark prince in the last couple days it is a 1/6 average drop rate. painful. I am not in jeapordy (I think) but there may be unhappy campers soon

[Silent follower]

I have noticed in the last couple days the drop rate decrease significantly. 15-20% drop rate. two days ago i got 0/3 from the dark prince stage and yesterday i got 1/5. And before geting to the dark prince in the last couple days it is a 1/6 average drop rate. painful. I am not in jeapordy (I think) but there may be unhappy campers soon

I've done DP castle now ten times without a single drop, in the Haunted Citadel, I've got 1/9. These drop rates suck.

[timsta007]

I have noticed in the last couple days the drop rate decrease significantly. 15-20% drop rate. two days ago i got 0/3 from the dark prince stage and yesterday i got 1/5. And before geting to the dark prince in the last couple days it is a 1/6 average drop rate. painful. I am not in jeapordy (I think) but there may be unhappy campers soon

Do you think the drop rate changed as you advanced to the more difficult levels or was it as a result of a game update?

[Mos20]

Game update without a doubt. I never had drop rates as bad as this in previous heroic modes. And it was bad from the first level not just as I progressed through.

[Silent follower]

Game update without a doubt. I never had drop rates as bad as this in previous heroic modes. And it was bad from the first level not just as I progressed through.

I agree, previously the droprate was closer to 50%, now I feel it is below 20%.

[Rookeye]

The poll is inaccurate: while the vastly decreased drop rate will not make me quit KnD, it probably WILL make me neglect Heroic armors. I'm already doing it. So my "no" means yes. *wince*

[watermelon]

Loooool this watermelon is super bitter!

dRRock has a really valid point that doesn't affect just big gemmers. With heroic and also epic boss collection events, you save a load of 2 stars etc ready to level them to 35 to start crafting plus versions and you can't craft cos you don't have room. It's frustrating. And it's a fact that some people DO have over 100 epics whether watermelon likes it or not, how are you supposed to participate?

If Drrock doesn't want to sound like a fool taking an opportunity to hijack a thread so he can brag about what a big boy he is that he has all sorts of random crap in his inventory, I suggest that he start a new thread complaining about armor capacity limits. The OP of the thread spoke only about the increased difficulty of heroics.

And I see that you two are in the same guild. Did he come crying to you saying that someone was being mean in the forums? Ok Indigo, be his mommy.

[watermelon]

it takes me 8 days to complete everything. I do not gem, but i use about 25 potions and friends. I have 15 maxed epics including 4 plus versions.

making it harder (i.e. less days) is normal and a good modification from the first heroic. 1 month gave enough time to a rookie player to get an epic plus. Now someone with no epics can get their first epic for free and people who are full of epics can get an epic plus for free.

there is also a secondary effect that through wars and raids then can cycle every armor combination in 4 months. with raids it would take 16 months to see the element combination come around again (unless they only anticipate doing mono elements)

i like the changes, it makes it more challenging but very doable.

Actually, I noticed that too. I wasn't sure if I was in some random lucky streak or not... maybe gree did change the drop rate a little bit. The success rate seems to be around 50% now in the hard levels.

[OmfnGRPG]

Yes it is frustrating to me that they continue to make the event harder but it is understandable that gree doesn't want to just give away plus armor. I will most likely gem a bit to get the plus version this time but I'm not sure yet as there is still 12 days left. I was more or less making this thread to get others opinions on the issue and hopefully a response from gree as to do they intend to make the next event also shorter/lower drop rate or is this where they were looking to be. And one last question will this issue cause any of you to stop playing? Answer the poll and let gree know.

I honestly don't care about anything anybody has to say on this issue unless you are trying to NOT spend more than $20 a MONTH, have never finished in top 1k individually, and guild will never be top 100. People who dont fit those criteria don't understand how the people who do, the overwhelming majority and backbone of the games support, feel about this. If P2P and P2W players can't handle P4F players getting ONE decent epic plus MONO during the heroic events they can cry somewhere else. And finishing the plus version became super close to impossible for players like me last time around. This issue will make me quit, you people with cush jobs that allow you to play at work, kids spending other people's money, and general money wasters and lay-abouts can have this game.

[Rookeye]

I'm personally waiting till IOS's free gems/video button returns before I buy another I-tunes card...not because i dont want to play, but because SO MANY different avenues of the game seem suddenly and blatantly for sale. That bothers me.

It's no skin off my nose that P2P players will always beat me in wars...they pay for my game, so hurrah for them. ;) But i want my effort in the game to not be immediately meaningless. This game has always kept various armors separate: by wars, by chests, by EB, etc. I think that's not a bad thing...

[roookey1]

I share your feelings. While I don't bother as much as many seem to do over Gree selling 'war' armor (after all, what does it matter if it was a reward in a war months ago, it's the stats that count - and once armors with similar stats can be had in chests or from fusion, who cares if a previous 'war' or 'chest' armor is for sale for a really insane amount of money like $250-400?), I am seriously disappointed by what they seem to make out of Heroic mode now.

I was giving compliments to Gree for this part of the game which seemed to allow casual players to get some medium-strength epics due to pure effort and only minimal gemming, and keep them happy and motivated *IN* the game, and what are they doing: they send another signal that means: 'pay or f*** off'. You can only squeeze a cow so much, at some point one can't look himself in the mirror and justify getting on being squeezed and ridiculed by a game like that. The only thing that keeps me at this point are the investments I already made in this game. But Gree recently also made it easier to basically freeze my investments by not bringing up new, interesting epics in chests and other factors, so let's see what the future holds. Just read the comments on the game on 'Google Play' - pretty much the only positive ones are from players looking for invites or guild members... :rolleyes: I remember the game had fantastic reviews when I started with it...and that's why I downloaded it! They have turned the screw too hard to squeeze us for money, and everyone out there can feel it and quits / 'fades out' sooner or later. If it comes to long-term strategy and revenue, the wrong managers seem to be in charge at Gree (sorry having to say that, guys, if you read it).

[greenwing]

They should have changed it to 14 days. That way it is possible for free players to make it without having to take a week off. It will still be very difficult to get so only the ones who really work hard for it will make it.