updating friends code of leeches

[dust92]

Just my opinion ...

Should we make a list of friend codes of leeches , that can be searched in this forum ? So that GMs can update every time a war ends . This will be really helpful

Someone suggested to make an update so that GMs can kicked leeches during a war , but I think to them , being kicked doesn't make them any problems , but lack of a ppl only can really make a different sometimes

Of course , when a GM update a leech's friend code , he should upload the ss of that leech's points as a proof too

We should have strict changes , so that no one would ever think of leeching again . So that real players can enjoy the wars

[roookey1]

So exploiting the system by 'stripping', switching guilds and buying wins through overkilling is okay, but 'leeching' as you call it is not. I could happily go without all of that, it would make wars more fun and turn them into real competitions.

I'd say if you want a list of leechers, I'd like a list of guilds associated with alliances, and for every guild an option whether to agree or decline to fight against members of such conglomerates.

[Royil]

So exploiting the system by 'stripping', switching guilds and buying wins through overkilling is okay, but 'leeching' as you call it is not. I could happily go without all of that, it would make wars more fun and turn them into real competitions.

I'd say if you want a list of leechers, I'd like a list of guilds associated with alliances, and for every guild an option whether to agree or decline to fight against members of such conglomerates.

LOL, are you serious?

[dust92]

Roookey , thar list is available already :)) via LINE room

[Oskong]

Roookey , thar list is available already :)) via LINE room

... Really ? ... What's the first rule ?

[dust92]

you should be in an alliance to know more abt it, in stead of asking st like that , Oskong . I really don't know how to answer that , and how important that question is

[Mos20]

Agree with Rookeye, if alliances are happy to abuse/make the most of the system how is it any different to leeches? I am neither in an alliance or a leech by the way, independent guild and earn all my rewards.

[dust92]

I don't understand you .... You gather together to make a guild , to get better rewards and helping each other . Then If guilds gather together to make an alliance , to get better rewards and helping each other , then it's bad ?

[dust92]

and leeches are unlike alliance . Leeches apply to a guild that will make a top run , promise to spend gems and time to help guild run . but they don't keep their words . all they do , sometimes is just waiting for the time the war ends , and take the prize

Not only in games , but also in life , drawback is still bad . I don't see any points to let them keep destroying KnD

[Mos20]

The problem I have with alliances is that they stack guilds with whoever has the most money/gems for a war or raid from any of the guilds within the alliance. That way they guarantee always having good runs. Think of it this way - if three football/soccer clubs with a lot of money, so could afford the best talent, joined together and decided to share players between teams each year so they guarantee one of these clubs wins each year and then rotate each year so nobody else ever won, it would be seen as cheating, yes? Also stripping is like when one of those clubs plays another one, the team who's turn it is to not win removes their goal keeper.
While not exactly the same as leeching its still not entirely ethical is it? And in the real world, considered cheating and not allowed.

[dust92]

yup , you are right , that's " the problem you have with alliances " . Not me , or anyone in the alliances . you should make another thread abt that :) I really don't want to quarrel abt alliances anymore , because that's really not a new topic .

[Mos20]

No you are correct, thread was about "outing" leeches. So you are ok with your unethical abuse of the system but not with leeches abusing your system. Sounds fair! 👍
Besides, naming or listing friend codes would be a form of flaming, defaming, etc which is against forum rules of conduct. But they probably don't apply to alliances, do they?

[SBBL Indigo]

How can you compare leeching to alliances? Pretty much every major guild in the game is in an alliance. By having alliances you can avoid leeches to a certain degree. If you can fill your guild with trusted people from other alliance guilds you cut down on these entitled brats who do lie through their teeth to get in and promise the earth and do nothing but get a free epic at the end.

If you had 20 gemmers from a good guild agreeing to join you would say no cos moving guilds to share resources is cheating? No you wouldn't.

My guess is your guild sucks too bad to join any decent alliance so you're just butthurt.

As for posting leech fc's on here I don't think it can work cos that means anyone can just add a code out of spite. You need a trusted source and evidence.

[tiffaneeb]

If you had 20 gemmers from a good guild agreeing to join you would say no cos moving guilds to share resources is cheating? No you wouldn't.

I would not. I'd rather run short than have temporary players. I was full a handful of weekends last year. In the last six months The D earned top 25 22 times and top 10 5 times.

It can be done.

[Rookeye]

Agree with Rookeye, if alliances are happy to abuse/make the most of the system how is it any different to leeches? I am neither in an alliance or a leech by the way, independent guild and earn all my rewards.

I'm Rookeye. You're agreeing with Roookey1.


If I put up 4 million points in Raid, and someone with better armor puts up 300k, I'd say that person is taking advantage of his fellow Guildees. How does this act equate with alliance war tactics? :confused:

[SBBL Indigo]

I would not. I'd rather run short than have temporary players. I was full a handful of weekends last year. In the last six months The D earned top 25 22 times and top 10 5 times.

It can be done.

I understand your point but from another perspective it is good for guild members to have 40/40 because it's cheaper and easier.

They also have other guilds to go to if they want a different reward tier.

[NaturlBornKiller]

If i put my money in the game i rather push with 40 players who put in an equal amount of gems to mine. Without an alliance it is hard to acchieve that. If you make such a pledge for a push, you should make your points, if not your a leech, and you dont deserve your epic!!

[Phill - Immortal GM]

Multiple of these so called Blacklists exist already. I don't think there is the need to publish something like that in a public forum everyone can access.
The top guilds, whether in an alliance or whether not use these tools to protect themselves from the leecher-"scum" that abuses 39 others time, money and efforts.

I use the word scum because knowingly signing up to something and depending on others to go beyond what is needed to balance them out is in fact something society would equate with scum.
Think of someone abusing a country with a welfare system.
A system for people that aren't able to work or can't earn enough to keep their families alive are supported by these systems.

Some people abuse this by illegal, untaxed work incomes and make a profit out of it, causing a shortage for people which need it, or in other sense, the govt. has to pay more to balance out this scum of the societies.

How can we compare an alliance, which is by the way a very natural and human behavior to form (think of WW2, just as one of many examples), a group of guilds, people, whatsoever, which are able to agree on the same outlook and standards towards working towards a common goal with social-parasites, in this context the leechers?


If you want an armor, pay.
You don't need to agree with alliances. The D and DragonZ are prime (Android) examples that you don't need to.
But I am sure they both agree that leeches are terrible as they probably also had to balance out someone knowingly under performing in the past.
Yet there are people equating leeching to alliances in a sense that both are cheating?
#FaithInHumanityLost.

Cheers;
~ Phill

[Lord P]

I'd say if you want a list of leechers, I'd like a list of guilds associated with alliances, and for every guild an option whether to agree or decline to fight against members of such conglomerates.If you and your guild is the pinnacle of ethics and morality, why would you need to chose who you'll fight or not? Choosing who to fight is exactly what the alliance affiliates do. I guess its only bad if you think you're not doing it...... lol

[Smiley80]

If gree could create a player rating score based upon the war and/or rais scores of the last 3 raids or wars. Either as a player ranking, a percentage player ranking, fights faught per day or a rank that could give a ballpark idea of the players activity.

[Regretz]

The fact that you use examples like WW2 and such important issues, then compare them to this, thoroughly amuses me. This is what all you alliance "scum" fail to understand.... this is a GAME! It in NO WAY relates to real life. The way a player chooses to play this game is not a reflection of their life. How do people get so "passionate" over a simplistic push-button game? I'm amazed, you know. If you put this much time and effort into your real life priorities it would make you a better person.

About leeches, they aren't wrong. They choose how to play this game their way, and (un)fortunately (however you'd like to view it) it involves taking advantage of you egomaniacs and your shiny pixels. Try and understand this... leeches get a thrill off your butthurt when they do it. The reason they are able to do it? Simple. They're smarter than you. They play smarter than you. You're all pawns in their entertainment. This thread, talking about leeches, only thrills them more seeing all the alliance scum's butthurt spewed on here.


Let's look at this logically for a second, ethics aside. You alliances found a way around the war system (stripping, setting up who you pair against, persay). Leeches did the exact same thing, they found their own way around the war system. Screaming abojt ethics seems a little hypocritical if you ask me. Now, in the end they get the same rewards as you do. They just paid A LOT less than you. If you ask me, they played it much smarter and overall came out on top.

[geo81]

Of course, if you leech once, odds are that'll be the end of your t10 runs, you ruined it. If your in a good alliance you can go for rank as often as you like

[Phill - Immortal GM]

The fact that you use examples like WW2 and such important issues, then compare them to this, thoroughly amuses me. This is what all you alliance "scum" fail to understand....

Perhaps the money you saved on leeching could have been invested into a tool to learn how to comprehensively read a followup post to another one.
Too lazy to quote, but someone compared alliances to the real world, how it would be cheating.

The clear argument against this was brought up by me, it has nothing to do with being passionate.
How you on earth got into 8 T10s I don't know - Lazy GMs, or whatever it was.
I know you wouldn't ever Leech one of my hosted runs and I dare you to come and try, if you are so smart.

Make a new line, get a new account - Try, please.

The viewpoint of it being the smart way around the alliances smart way is quite an exotic one.
Whilst seeing your point, the fact that most leeches [excluding such superior, wonderfully smart leeches as you are, Regretz] only get the chance to leech once through our tools such as blacklists, given the nowadays very lazy GMs actually check it kind of goes against what you say.

You found a way to get around the war system. We found a way, on par, to get around your leeching system.
By sharing the codes with our 'scum'-friends, which in fact pay for your epic.

Have a wonderful day, Regretz
Cheers;
~ Phill

[Rhaegal]

I've tried to stay out of this discussion but oh well. Here goes.

I would love to see a sort of player rating system in place where the more points you score, the higher you are rated. I know racing games that use "street cred" rating system. KnD could seriously use something like this.

Leeches are scum just like people trolling on the forums are scum. Always remember the first rule of dealing with trolls,

DONT FEED THE TROLLS!

Alliances aren't cheating. If they were then gree would set a "cool down time" between when you can leave a guild and join a new one.

Just like stripping isn't cheating. It's a tactic, some use it and some don't. Don't like it, don't use it. When you find an accidentally stripped opponent, don't attack them. Otherwise you can't condemn stripping. Either way, the game maker could stop stripping and have chosen not to. Therefore, it's part of game play.

And always always remember, the game is free to play, Pay to Win. There's little or no strategy involved so, there ya go.
As for an in game blacklist, there's really no need. It already exists on line, if you want access, pm any of the gms here and ask nicely. For the record, I'm not a Gm so don't ask me.

[Regretz]

@Phill
I think it's a bit too late for u to challenge me on that, as you and your bunch have already bought me 2 epics. If I wanted to get in again, I would be. You're not a challenge, and your empty threats hold no weight to them. Btw, it's not about lazy GMs thats the reason I get into t10 runs. Keep trying to guess, maybe you will find out how I get around your precious blacklist one day, after you've bought me a few more.

Have a good day Phil, now be a good boy and spend your money on me.

[Phill - Immortal GM]

@Phill
I think it's a bit too late for u to challenge me on that, as you and your bunch have already bought me 2 epics. If I wanted to get in again, I would be. You're not a challenge, and your empty threats hold no weight to them. Btw, it's not about lazy GMs thats the reason I get into t10 runs. Keep trying to guess, maybe you will find out how I get around your precious blacklist one day, after you've bought me a few more.

Have a good day Phil, now be a good boy and spend your money on me.


Quite certainly have you not leeched any of my runs, yet alone 2, as my last 15 runs had an average of, yes, Zero, leeches :)
Cheers buddy, Take care ;)
Thanks for the Postcount buff!
~ Phill

[Scabs]

Regretz is obviously a troll. If he truly has leeched before, he's already on the blacklist. Any competent GM would be able to match up his friend code to the leech list. This is why I friend everyone in my guild and invite new recruits via friend code from screen shots (they can easily spoof that in the screen shot to a random friend code so it doesn't show up on a blacklist).

[Brimstome]

they could fix a lot of these complaints by just allowing leadership to start a war.

[Rookeye]

If gree could create a player rating score based upon the war and/or rais scores of the last 3 raids or wars. Either as a player ranking, a percentage player ranking, fights faught per day or a rank that could give a ballpark idea of the players activity.

I like this. I rank player activity in guild based on if they have hit the Current arena, current EB, current raid/war/blitz, etc. How would we rank an active player in war?

* plays all three days?
* uses all four energy every time they fight?
* gems? (X % of the time?)
* scores top 10?
* scores top 1/3rd?

How would you rank them?

[Kangaroeland]

Dont feed the troll guys hes just a terrible person.

[Smiley80]

when i recruit i like the fights per day.

some people go 72 - 0 for 42K points. People who don't know about strips or strategy, or who constantly takes out sent goes 54-38 for 32K points. the average # of fights per day gives you a clear picture on activity. I would choose the second guy based on 92 fights over the guy who did 72 fights even if he did score more!

[EFIL 4 ZAGGIN]

...a welfare system.
A system for people that aren't able to work or can't earn enough to keep their families alive are supported by these systems.
Some people abuse this by illegal, untaxed work incomes and make a profit out of it, causing a shortage for people which need it, or in other sense, the govt. has to pay more to balance out this scum of the societies.
It's not often I LOL at posts, but I did here. You obviously don't have a clue about the welfare system, who's on it or how it works. People that work but don't make enough to support their families are NOT supported by welfare. That is just too funny, why would you even think that? It's no surprise that their are people that share your mentality, looking down at poor people, wondering why they don't do better for themselves, and then when you hear or one of these 'scum' trying to pull a scam just to get a taste of your scraps, your feathers get all ruffled and you complain how they have all these supports and opportunities and how dare they try and leech off 'hard-working' you. And not to mention the WW2 comparison, I mean, really?? You're either an insane 9-year-old or some old rich guy that dares not venture out of his gated community after sun-down, but either way your comments on welfare (& welfare fraud) are simply not rooted in reality, and I felt obliged to bring this to your attention.

[Regretz]

Finally im not the only 1 to see just how ignorant Phill is... +1

[Phill - Immortal GM]

It's not often I LOL at posts, but I did here. You obviously don't have a clue about the welfare system, who's on it or how it works. People that work but don't make enough to support their families are NOT supported by welfare.

Don't know where you live, but in certain countries there is in fact support in place below a certain wage, or rather a cut off of allowance on wage - Yes.
Anyhow, how is this relevant 2 weeks later ;)?

Cheers mate

[Rookeye]

Having actually been ON welfare at one point in my checkered past, and having seen abuse and fraud in the system, i think it is very safe to say that the welfare system (a) doesnt fully support its enrollees, (b) isnt meant to, and (c) enrollee fraud exists. To justify fraud because of A and B is a cop-out. Sorry...

As regards game welfare: I think if the game SYSTEM forces you to support other players--against your will/choice--that is not something i wish to participate in. However i am a big believer in "paying it forward" and helping out the hard-working little guy. So long as i get to choose my charities, its all good. Defraud me and watch out.

[Rhaegal]

To bring this thread back on topic, I'd love to see a player rating system of some sort. either compare the players activity to the game "avg" or go a step further and "remember" their raid/war scores in a history on their profile.

Guild insignia then win/loss and points for war
Guild insignia then points earned during raid.

Just something to give a general idea of what the player has done. Doesn't even have to be comprehensive, just the last month/two would be sufficient although comprehensive would be better.