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dpalbldelf
12-29-2014, 05:59 AM
Gree, I thought that I read in the ADA session that there would be consideration into the increase of odds from epic+epic fusions. I would like to know if this is something that you plan to implement or not. Currently I have number of older epics that I have no intention of leveling as the EB+ armors that I have out spec them. I would like to fuse these outdated epics in the hopes of obtaining other, perhaps newer, fusible epics that may be more useful to me. I have already attempted several epic+epic fusions, but they have always resulted in 4* armors. Numerous guild members have also attempted epic+epic fusions which has also always resulted in 4* armors.
To allow for ease of answering I will formulate this into specific questions:
1.) Will Gree increase/allow the fusion of epic+epic=epic?
2.) Will Gree ever allow the small chance of of epic+epic=epic+?
Thank you for your time and consideration.
legalious
12-29-2014, 09:57 AM
I wish they would increase the odds of fusion between other Epics but it was my first fusion so I don't know odds just yet. Moontide + Komodo = Bone Harvester Garb :(
Drizzt79
12-29-2014, 10:38 AM
I fused a Ronan Star (had double) and a Blazeborn Vanguard and got a Aegis of Sky Majesty as a result. Would heve liked Triskelion Wargear better. :)
Regretz
12-29-2014, 03:40 PM
I agree the chance of an epic should be higher when using 2 epics as the materials. I have done many epic + epic fusions and only had 1 successful fusion. I got an Earthwardens from an Arborsteel + Beastmasters. All the other epic + epic fusions ive attempted have been 4*.
dpalbldelf
12-30-2014, 08:49 AM
You are lucky. Again, I have not, nor has any guild member ever fused an epic from two epics. I understand RNG, chance, etc. However, as with any grind-fest game the normal goal is to get the newest, shiniest pixelated items possible. I would not even mind a gem cost to do so.
Cost: 25 gems => epic+epic=epic guaranteed (And only fusible epics permitted).
Cost: 50 gems => epic+epic=epic or epic+(chance of)
MisterT
12-30-2014, 09:40 AM
4* and 4* isn't always 4* or epic, you could get 3*. There is a chance you get good armor from fusion. If epic + epic = epic, then blazestone would become very easy to fuse. Fuse blazeborne with centurion and you get blazestone
dpalbldelf
12-31-2014, 04:50 AM
I know what the fusion possibilities are, I know what is possiblefrom such. I am requesting from Gree that they make epic+epic=epic fusions more likely even if it is at the expense of gems.
I am not sure where you were going with you Blazborne+Centurion example, but following the current the fusion table the following would be possible from your example and assuming epic+epic=epic:
Blazeborne
Centurion
Blazestone
Northerner's
Sharksteel
My second request from Gree was that they allow the chance of an epic+ as well. Following that the list remains the same except that there would now be a possibility of the + versions of each.
Following as such one can see the you may end up with one of the same that you fused, a different epic, or the possibility of a + version. Again, this would only be for epics on the fusion table. Also, it has the added possible bonus of reducing the epics in use/inventory.
MisterT
12-31-2014, 08:22 AM
I know what the fusion possibilities are, I know what is possiblefrom such. I am requesting from Gree that they make epic+epic=epic fusions more likely even if it is at the expense of gems.
I am not sure where you were going with you Blazborne+Centurion example, but following the current the fusion table the following would be possible from your example and assuming epic+epic=epic:
Blazeborne
Centurion
Blazestone
Northerner's
Sharksteel
When you fuse Blazeborne with Centurion, you'll never get one of them back after fusion.
Scabs
12-31-2014, 08:39 AM
I fused Maelstrom and Ravage & got Sharksteel. I already have a maxed Ravage & Ashenfire, so I didn't need another Ravage.
roookey1
01-01-2015, 06:04 AM
To keep the value of epic+ the highest possible, I don't think regular fusions (of legendaries) should ever result in an epic plus version.
However, fusing 2 *epics* should definitely have a chance of receiving a plus epic,
and at least getting an epic out of the fusion of 2 epics should be *normal* behaviour with few exceptions.
Otherwise, I would like to ask Gree to change the title in the fusion screen when using an epic for fusion to:
"Are you really sure you want to downgrade your epic armor?" with a big warning sign, to avoid any misunderstanding that what the player is about to do is converting an armor that may have cost him hundreds of dollars to garbage.
Ju Nation
01-01-2015, 03:59 PM
I know what the fusion possibilities are, I know what is possiblefrom such. I am requesting from Gree that they make epic+epic=epic fusions more likely even if it is at the expense of gems.
I am not sure where you were going with you Blazborne+Centurion example, but following the current the fusion table the following would be possible from your example and assuming epic+epic=epic:
Blazeborne
Centurion
Blazestone
Northerner's
Sharksteel
My second request from Gree was that they allow the chance of an epic+ as well. Following that the list remains the same except that there would now be a possibility of the + versions of each.
Following as such one can see the you may end up with one of the same that you fused, a different epic, or the possibility of a + version. Again, this would only be for epics on the fusion table. Also, it has the added possible bonus of reducing the epics in use/inventory.
well, making an epic+ fusable is just plain, WTH???
it will really really make opening chests really really stupid...
Regretz
01-01-2015, 08:16 PM
Opening chests is already stupid...
roookey1
01-02-2015, 08:30 AM
The latest armor is only obtainable from chests anyway ... if you want the plus version, you'd need to have 2 of them. I never opened a chest to get a plus version, but to get a new epic.
Actually, being able to get a plus from combining 2 identical epics may even suck more people into opening chests: if they can't get the plus out of it right away, try to get another identical epic at least.
nasstor
01-06-2015, 05:08 AM
A friend says he fused a northeners +, have something been changed?
Aethers
01-06-2015, 05:27 AM
A friend says he fused a northeners +, have something been changed?
I haven't heard anyone fusing an epic+. This is the first I've heard and we fuse epics every day or two in our guild.
nasstor
01-06-2015, 06:04 AM
Might be a bug, or that GREE did a change to the reaaaally old epics so they would still be useful...
Or he mixed up and got one from a chest and fused one the same day and forgot which was which.
roookey1
01-06-2015, 11:16 AM
I certainly don't hope for an Epic+ inflation, and I understand that it would break the logic that similar elements can't be fused if 2 similar epics could be fused.
Somehow it feels 'logical' though that fusing 2 epics should almost always result in another epic (just as fusing 2 2-stars, 2 3-stars and 2 4-stars does now), but allow to fuse identical *epics* as the highest class of armor, where with at least some chance (like similar to the chance to get a legendary out of a 3-star fusion), 2 identical epics should result in a plus!
dpalbldelf
01-06-2015, 12:46 PM
I want to emphasize my original request:
Increase chance for the fusion of epic+epic=epic
Allow the small chance of an epic+epic=epic+
Would be nice to get at least a small chance for epic+ with fusion
dpalbldelf
01-19-2015, 10:08 AM
I had really hoped to get some sort of response by now from Gree on this since it was mentioned during the ADA. However, with the lack of any response from Gree on any topic, one can only wonder what it happening/going to happen. I find it amusing that they ask for feedback on current game-play, ask for suggestions for new game-play, and direct us to the forums, yet (anymore) they rarely communicate back with us. I was a long time WoW player, and although the moderators didn't answer a lot of questions, they at least answered some which let us know that there was someone from the company reading what was being posted. I digress...
SBBL Indigo
01-20-2015, 02:16 AM
Please don't make epic+ fuseable Gree. People have long since paid a lot for these items, be it through chest or war and it will devalue them.
If you want a premium product, you pay a premium price. Simple.
Gree have already done f2p players a favour by making many fairly recent chest epics (and some old war epics) fuseable. No need to add epic+ to the mix.
dpalbldelf
01-20-2015, 05:46 AM
SBBL, I somewhat understand your position. However, if you read my original request, I was asking for an increase of of epic+epic=epic, and the possibility of epic+epic=epic+. This fusion of epic and epic+ still only allows fusion of items that are currently on the fusion table. Other than the one mistake that Gree made, and quickly fixed, war epics are not fusible. My request has no impact on the war epics that you and your alliance have obtained. Also, I offered the possibility that epic+epic=epic with the cost of gems. That would be paying a price for the fusion would it not?
I understand that the top guilds do not want people who do not spend as much as you having the best armors. I agree and am not suggesting otherwise. I am simply looking for a chanceto fuse some of old epics (tectonic, blazebourne, moontide, northerners, druidic, etc) into something a little useful. It also has the added benefit of reducing some of the epics in use as some may fuse away useful gear into something a little less useful.
raeython
01-20-2015, 06:04 AM
I would have to agree that it would be fair to have a greater chance of getting an epic result from an epic to epic fusion (possibly 50/50), and also a small chance of an epic + fuseable armor from such combination. What about legendary+ armors, they also should have a slightly better chance of an Epic amor result.
Lord P
01-20-2015, 06:34 AM
In my history of fusing armor
Legendary - Legendary = legendary 95%, Epic 5%
Epic - Epic = Epic 0%, Legendary 100%
Legendary - Epic = Epic 0%, Legendary 100%
They need to bump up the Epic - Epic fusion so that getting an epic is easier. I'd like to see maybe 50% chance of getting another epic when fusing two.
They need to bump up the Epic - Legendary fusion also..... maybe 25% Epic and 75% Legendary.
If they wanted to be more player friendly they could throw in a 5% chance of getting an epic+. They could also announce when and what plus version becomes fusible. They could go all the way back to Moontide and bring it forward like they do with all the other fusible epics.
Don't see any of this happening though considering people are still desperate enough to spend big gems for a Drudic+ or Sandstorm+.
dpalbldelf
01-20-2015, 12:34 PM
Lord P, My history is the same as yours. Granted I have only been playing this game for a year and three months, but my results are the same. I understand that a few people have had the reward of an epic+epic=epic, but that seems very far and few between.
Again I added that if money making is the problem, then add a gem cost, 25 gems, to the process above the typical 25k gold or make epic+epic=epic cost 1kk gold. Also, this only applies to the fusion table. Put a bonus chance on the fusion:
Pay 1kk gold (or 25k+25gems) for an epic+epic=epic, BONUS: Pay an extra 250k gold (or 5 gems) get a 10% chance of obtaining a epic+ from the fusion.
We get opportunities, Gree makes more money: win-win.
dpalbldelf
01-20-2015, 12:36 PM
That was my last discussion/rant on the subject. Was still hoping to get some sort of response from Gree on the matter. Cheers.
MajNinja
01-23-2015, 02:56 PM
I have only fused 2 epics a few times but was successful once. Good odds for me, lol.
Adisty
01-26-2015, 05:41 AM
Moontide + Blazeborne = Scorchstone Aegis
MisterT
01-27-2015, 08:00 AM
They need to bump up the Epic - Epic fusion so that getting an epic is easier. I'd like to see maybe 50% chance of getting another epic when fusing two.
They need to bump up the Epic - Legendary fusion also..... maybe 25% Epic and 75% Legendary.
It's mostly a matter of timing and luck. On my alt i have 6 epics and i fused 5 of them
Ownsmash
01-28-2015, 11:05 AM
The ability to get Epic+ from and epic-epic fusion would be ideal. Never happen though; I'm sure enough money is made by forcing us to buy chests.
Brimstome
01-28-2015, 11:35 AM
fuse rate for epics I have heard is not worth the risk.
Crypt Keepers
01-28-2015, 01:37 PM
Sharksteel + earthwardens = cultist wargear
Crypt Keepers
02-06-2015, 12:48 PM
Moontide + ravage = cultist
did get a blazestone from cultist + bloodrobes tho
Crypt Keepers
02-08-2015, 02:51 PM
DeMortuis + blazestone = vesture of kitsune
Ant venom
02-08-2015, 04:02 PM
Ouch buddy, such a terrible result from ur third combination.
Crypt Keepers
02-08-2015, 04:05 PM
Ouch buddy, such a terrible result from ur third combination.
Yeah...it's sad when there's a better chance for epic when combining 4* than 5*.
Ant venom
02-08-2015, 04:10 PM
I know I mean I got three epics with four stars
UP Tide
02-09-2015, 06:01 AM
Chaos + Primordial = Earthwarden
First time getting an epic from fusing 2 epics out of 10 tries
Adisty
02-09-2015, 08:15 AM
Crystal Geoplate + Ronan StarRobes = Featherblade Battlegear :mad:. Damn it! Featherblade is what I used to get Ronan StarRobes!
Thrain
02-09-2015, 10:34 PM
Arcane + geoplate = undead robes
http://i.imgur.com/o2FJCa7h.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tVLMOjJh.jpg
Crypt Keepers
02-13-2015, 02:07 PM
Revelation robes + triskelian = kaiju carapace
Lord P
02-24-2015, 11:39 AM
since they've increased the probability of fusing epics here's my latest edition
Ravage Sheildplate and Ronan Starrobes = Tactician's Regalia :D
Street Shark
02-24-2015, 06:09 PM
Cloudrange + Devoted = Arcane
Arcane + Maelstrom = Demort
Demort + Aquatic = Northerners
navantgarde
02-24-2015, 06:21 PM
Kerstman + moontide = blazeborne
Blazeborne + sharksteel = blazestone
Tectonic + ronan = cryptid
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