Proof (ss) that the current win/loss rules makes no sense. MODS please address this!

[Reutdog]

Okay GREE,

The proof is in the pudding as they say. So I've had my faction taking screen shots to prove that this current method of yours is nothing but maddness and has no consistency. My faction is trying to hold top 25 and is experiencing uncanny losses to people that they should be beating. We will be posting screen shots to prove that no matter how you calculate, the numbers mean nothing.

(I.e. Higher attack to defense, higher army attack, lower soldier attack... Higher attack to defense, lower army attack, higher soldier attack... Higher attack to defense, higher army attack, higher soldier attack)

And everything resulting in losses. This needs to be addressed and we need to be compensated for using our refills and gold to try attacks. Even when I PAed people I would still lose.

No more talking. I will let the pictures speak for themselves. Everyone please feel free to post your pictures.

http://s14.postimg.org/qqddo41bx/image.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/qqddo41bx/)

http://s14.postimg.org/g29mp9rct/image.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/g29mp9rct/)

http://s14.postimg.org/xr1dgw33x/image.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/xr1dgw33x/)

http://s14.postimg.org/xd01haj0d/image.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/xd01haj0d/)

http://s14.postimg.org/jut5506v1/image.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/jut5506v1/)

[Reutdog]

Worst loss by far

http://picoolio.net/images/2014/12/24/1419394791154.jpg

[Domino_brown]

I'm sorry , but from what I see it makes sense .... It's not just your attack against their defense any more , their attack hits your defense as well ... In most of these SS you can tell that the defender probably had better stats over all .

If you want a good target make sure your defense is better than theirs before you attack , you will be more likely to have better stats over all ...

[Delicious]

Shoulda won sreka and Jeremy. Others you lost. Play around with stamina and you'll figure it out.

[DEWIN NUTTIN]

I'm sorry , but from what I see it makes sense .... It's not just your attack against their defense any more , their attack hits your defense as well ... In most of these SS you can tell that the defender probably had better stats over all .

If you want a good target make sure your defense is better than theirs before you attack , you will be more likely to have better stats over all ...

Yes, that is how Gree wants us to think.
The truth is, that people who have built their avatar to certain levels don't want the fake attack metric to behave this way.
Frankly, I don't care and have no dog in this fight.
I do understand the position of the long time player/builders who are suddenly savaged because the next crop of addicts, err, player/builders are being encouraged to spend and build destroying the three years of hard work the old timers have done.

It won't matter in six months as many of those winning today will be losing and howling tomorrow as the new crop of addicts, err, builder/players are being groomed to move on up in true, George Jefferson style with a DELUXE FAKESHUN in the sky!!!

[Reutdog]

I'm sorry , but from what I see it makes sense .... It's not just your attack against their defense any more , their attack hits your defense as well ... In most of these SS you can tell that the defender probably had better stats over all .

If you want a good target make sure your defense is better than theirs before you attack , you will be more likely to have better stats over all ...

Disregard the fact that I lost over a bil in my defense stats when I updated the game. I have lost many more battles and several against people with only 2.5 bil in stats. I've stopped taking screen shots. But if it will appease GREE then I will continue to take them just to prove that there is no sense in this at all. No consistency. Also, if total stats matter, then simply have a "total stats" line and call it a day. At this point we are all simply rolling the dice. Which is completely ridiculous as many of these guys spent 1/30 of what I have on this game.

[Domino_brown]

Disregard the fact that I lost over a bil in my defense stats when I updated the game. I have lost many more battles and several against people with only 2.5 bil in stats. I've stopped taking screen shots. But if it will appease GREE then I will continue to take them just to prove that there is no sense in this at all. No consistency. Also, if total stats matter, then simply have a "total stats" line and call it a day. At this point we are all simply rolling the dice. Which is completely ridiculous as many of these guys spent 1/30 of what I have on this game.
I'm just trying to make sense of things is all , I'm not a fan of the changes ... Maybe if the attack screen actually showed all of the important info ? Or maybe if equipment wasn't so damn limited? IDK... it's just a game I play on my pad, I don't talk about it to people who don't play , it's slightly embarrassing ;)

[DEWIN NUTTIN]

I'm just trying to make sense of things is all , I'm not a fan of the changes ...

We agree!!!!!



Maybe if the attack screen actually showed all of the important info ? Or maybe if equipment wasn't so damn limited? IDK...

Yes, and the cute, little soldier dress up junk is scarce by design, not by accident!!! LOL


it's just a game I play on my pad, I don't talk about it to people who don't play , it's slightly embarrassing ;)

I do agree. Besides, who discusses any tap, tap, tap smartphone game you're playing at 25, 35, 45, 95 years old??? LMFAO

Merry Christmas...I hope you won't make it a Merry Greemas!! LOL

[Seph]

Okay GREE,

The proof is in the pudding as they say. So I've had my faction taking screen shots to prove that this current method of yours is nothing but maddness and has no consistency. My faction is trying to hold top 25 and is experiencing uncanny losses to people that they should be beating. We will be posting screen shots to prove that no matter how you calculate, the numbers mean nothing.

(I.e. Higher attack to defense, higher army attack, lower soldier attack... Higher attack to defense, lower army attack, higher soldier attack... Higher attack to defense, higher army attack, higher soldier attack)

And everything resulting in losses. This needs to be addressed and we need to be compensated for using our refills and gold to try attacks. Even when I PAed people I would still lose.

No more talking. I will let the pictures speak for themselves. Everyone please feel free to post your pictures.

http://s14.postimg.org/qqddo41bx/image.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/qqddo41bx/)

http://s14.postimg.org/g29mp9rct/image.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/g29mp9rct/)

http://s14.postimg.org/xr1dgw33x/image.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/xr1dgw33x/)

http://s14.postimg.org/xd01haj0d/image.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/xd01haj0d/)

http://s14.postimg.org/jut5506v1/image.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/jut5506v1/)

No offense, but I skipped reading your post after seeing the pics posted. Most of those outcomes are what I would have expected.

I've lost some interesting battles, but they are few and far between. Overall, players who have spent the cash to get ahead finally have an advantage over the ones who don't. Makes sense.

[1brent1]

Yes, that is how Gree wants us to think.
The truth is, that people who have built their avatar to certain levels don't want the fake attack metric to behave this way.
Frankly, I don't care and have no dog in this fight.
I do understand the position of the long time player/builders who are suddenly savaged because the next crop of addicts, err, player/builders are being encouraged to spend and build destroying the three years of hard work the old timers have done.

It won't matter in six months as many of those winning today will be losing and howling tomorrow as the new crop of addicts, err, builder/players are being groomed to move on up in true, George Jefferson style with a DELUXE FAKESHUN in the sky!!!

Thank you, well said!

Sad to say I wasted 3 years of hard work on this game. Even bought vaults of cash to buy first couple LE buildings and worked hard to own the rest of them. I was proud of them until now, since everyone is going to own them.

[goblue21]

Does how many allies you have effect anything?

[2MblaZ]

Does how many allies you have effect anything?

Most likely how much land you own makes 99% of the deciding factor now... Oh, and how many tree snipers you got left, because those were always vital in the war...
;)

[Major Esmoker]

The pics make no Sense to me either you had won at least 2 if not all 3 of the supposedly deciding factors

[Reutdog]

Well the most egregious loss was the one in my second post which was a PA. But we've sustained a lot more terrible losses. No reason to lost toa guy with 2.5 bil Defense and less soldier and army units.

[elangomatt]

Well the most egregious loss was the one in my second post which was a PA. But we've sustained a lot more terrible losses. No reason to lost toa guy with 2.5 bil Defense and less soldier and army units.

I think the PA issues are a different problem from the lame new stats issues. I think they just flat out broke the PA since I lost nearly every PA this past week of hell despite nearly always having a higher score in all 3 stats that are displayed. I doubt they'll ever fix it and they'll probably say the PA is working as intended just to do a CYA.

[Domino_brown]

I think the PA issues are a different problem from the lame new stats issues. I think they just flat out broke the PA since I lost nearly every PA this past week of hell despite nearly always having a higher score in all 3 stats that are displayed. I doubt they'll ever fix it and they'll probably say the PA is working as intended just to do a CYA.

I don't hink PA is working right either , my guess is it still 1.5x your stat and equipment attak but not your defense , which matters in the new algorithm ...

[Dirty Mind]

Well the most egregious loss was the one in my second post which was a PA. But we've sustained a lot more terrible losses. No reason to lost toa guy with 2.5 bil Defense and less soldier and army units.

Too bad you cant see your opponents inventory. They might have all had a swiss army knife. that 1 att is from the screwdriver that they used to loosen all the screws, rendering your 10m att items completely impotent. You don't even want to know what they used the corkscrew to do to your Dawn CQC Master.

[Drakhoan]

http://forums.gree.net/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Domino_brownhttp://forums.gree.net/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.gree.net/showthread.php?p=1442915#post1442915)I don't hink PA is working right either , my guess is it still 1.5x your stat and equipment attak but not your defense , which matters in the new algorithm ...http://forums.gree.net/images/misc/quote_icon.png

Yes, I experienced the same issues with PA'ing as well. That is precisely what I was thinking!

Regular attack or PA, I am still of the opinion that straight up stats are no longer weighted as they should be. A regular hit on someone 50% of your stats should not net a loss. 20% may be more resonable and is still plenty of room for the random factor.

[I Will Merc You]

Funny to read posts containing the phrase(s); "...worked hard on stats for 3 years"

Who in the wide-world of wonder ever worked in a game?

No, we have PLAYED for 3 years. Some have collected on their supply depots more than others, sure, but that doesn't equate to WORK. Lol

[Speed ump]

Strange, I remeber a year ago when gree changed things, and players who had spent huge sums became attackable vs previously untouchable, even against players who spent a small fraction of what they had. Many here called them whiners. Now it begins anew, and you have to start over with the new changes, and have to get used to the fact that there are people you can't hit anymore. At least now, assuming out spend enough, you can defend yourself. Over the last year that was not possible no matter how much you spent.

[Maverick0073]

http://forums.gree.net/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Domino_brownhttp://forums.gree.net/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.gree.net/showthread.php?p=1442915#post1442915)I don't hink PA is working right either , my guess is it still 1.5x your stat and equipment attak but not your defense , which matters in the new algorithm ...http://forums.gree.net/images/misc/quote_icon.png

Yes, I experienced the same issues with PA'ing as well. That is precisely what I was thinking!

Regular attack or PA, I am still of the opinion that straight up stats are no longer weighted as they should be. A regular hit on someone 50% of your stats should not net a loss. 20% may be more resonable and is still plenty of room for the random factor.

A pa should be changed to a first strike . Make it use full health and the defending armies attack can't be brought into the equation . So it's purely old system your attack vs their def ,oh and add the equipment .

I have no problem with the equipment and current equation for normal attacks . EXCEPT THAT HALF MY DAMN ITEMS ARE MISSING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ef

[Speed ump]

Seems a lot of people have lost their items. Havnt seen any response from gree in that issue. they're prob dealing with huge backlog of prior ones so don't have time to respond on that one. What would this game be without glitches and issues ( now don't get smart and say something like it would be exactly what you paid for and should be able to expect,lol) I look at it this way. If there weren't all these problems, all we would have left to complain about is sup. I remeber the days when half the threads In Here, or more, were about sup. Or pun before that.

[Drakhoan]

A pa should be changed to a first strike . Make it use full health and the defending armies attack can't be brought into the equation . So it's purely old system your attack vs their def ,oh and add the equipment .

I have no problem with the equipment and current equation for normal attacks . EXCEPT THAT HALF MY DAMN ITEMS ARE MISSING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ef

Can't say that would make sense or be realistic for Gree to get two different equations correct.

Makes more since for the equation to be the same for both, but at a heavier army atk v def weight, where the equip and other equation factors would be a smaller piece of the pie. That would enable a 50% stronger army to lose when attacking a weak oponent.

As far as the PA is concerned it should be the same as the regular equation but 1.5x ALL factors. This would make you and some of the trolls happy since you could still lose to a 50% weaker oponent.

[Moose02364]

Crime city has same update 8 million ATTACK beat 101 million by having more stuff wow!

[sawnoff69]

its att vs att equipment vs equipment now . use def as a indicator of what your targets att will be . i know my att is 18b def 8b . if i hit anyone under 8bil similar equipment i win . anyone over 8bil def i lose . its plain and simple its att vs att now

[Ranger89]

If there weren't all these problems, all we would have left to complain about is sup. I remember the days when half the threads In Here, or more, were about sup. Or pun before that.

I remember the good ole days with PUN and Ferr's Emperors... I'm sure Ferr would be able to help fix this SNAFU... or maybe not. That's probably why he bailed on Modern War!

Hard to believe it's been almost three years of playing MW, and I've never seen things so screwed up.

[fadryans1]

At beginning I downloaded MW 2.0 !!! I want to play MW 2.0 not ''MW 5.0''! Why devs want to change what we liked??? That I don't agree for ppl who spended a lot of money in MW 2.0 and now is changed in MW 5.0! For this change, all ppl can ask for his money back! This MW 5.0 isn't funny anymore and a lot of ppl will retired.