RAID BOSS T25 armor

[tnorman78]

Why in the world would you give a mono for t25 when the previous 2 have been the same dual element as the boss??

[Ant venom]

Don't know butnyou can ask Reversal since he is the maderator and he might be working for Gree and wouldn't mind answering the question (I believe)

[MisterT]

Don't know butnyou can ask Reversal since he is the maderator and he might be working for Gree and wouldn't mind answering the question (I believe)

Mods don't work for Gree

[Rhaegal]

Why in the world would you give a mono for t25 when the previous 2 have been the same dual element as the boss??

This makes no sense. The reward should be apocalypse not flameguard. My guild is skipping this raid because we don't want flameguard.

[Ant venom]

Mods don't work for Gree

But someone in the criminal legacy forum said he did work for GREE but anyways i don't want to continue this thing about whether or not they work for GREE all we need to know is this isn't the appropriate place to talk about it in my opinion.

[Fossil]

If someone is moderating the forum, then that is working for GREE. Work is not only defined by receiving payment. As for appropriate, it is an opinion as noted.

[Rookeye]

Having been a moderator on another game site before, I think you can use the phrase "work for GREE" loosely. They carry out the will of GREE on the forums, as regards forum rules. They prolly have NO information about the game (which would come from the developers, etc) that they can share freely, but sometimes they are given info--or are aware of info--that they then give a heads-up to players with. When this happens, it is appreciated.

That said, the role of a Moderator is just that: to moderate. Nothing more or less. :cool:

[legalious]

Having been a moderator on another game site before, I think you can use the phrase "work for GREE" loosely. They carry out the will of GREE on the forums, as regards forum rules. They prolly have NO information about the game (which would come from the developers, etc) that they can share freely, but sometimes they are given info--or are aware of info--that they then give a heads-up to players with. When this happens, it is appreciated.

That said, the role of a Moderator is just that: to moderate. Nothing more or less. :cool:

Sort of correct. I don't get the heads-up info. I only get the message of "Hey, I posted the update on Facebook."

:p

[Dahag]

Some people prefer monos for arena

[Lord P]

Some people prefer monos for arena
I enjoy destroying monos in arena.... that's not a good reason to give low quality T25 prizes that can be fused.

[Ant venom]

I enjoy destroying monos in arena.... that's not a good reason to give low quality T25 prizes that can be fused.

True and monos are terrible too because it isn't dual so u just gave ur opponent another 50% of beating and monos don't give u as much points as dual so it really doesn't benefit war or arena. They give mono armor as t25 raid armor because the boss is a mono too.

[Rhaegal]

Sadly gree doesn't know how to balance mono armors to make them useful.

[Scabs]

Komodo....really Gree...really?

[Rhaegal]

What the heck are you thinking GREE?!?!?

Are you doing a new movie "How to lose your players in 10 days?"

Heroic mode is rolling with a WAY BETTER EARTH MONO EPIC and you offer Armor of the Komodo as a T25 reward... not even Odin's or Primordial, or Entertainers but KOMODO!!


I'm not expressing myself well because I'm just boggled by the absolute .... I can't even think of a word to describe the level of moronishness... of the decision.

Whoever made this decision, you deserve to be FIRED especially after last raids Chaos Disaster, did you not notice the Raid scores were 50% lower than normal?

If I were a GREE investor, I'd sell my stock, you obviously have NO IDEA what you're doing. And worse, you don't seem to care that you are so completely out of touch with your customer base.

[southpaw29]

Well said Rhaegal.......Our guild was going T25....not now....we have put our gems and money back into our pocket and have given GREEdy the "You are #1" sign. Komodo!?!?!?!? Seriously???? Why not Armor of the Devoted if you are going to slap our faces. Worst customer service ever. Just when we think you are listening to us (Naga, Dragonborne....for T25 awards) you pull this stunt. Congrats GREE on losing thousands of dollars with this pathetic, outdated reward.

[Lord P]

Komodo + T25 = Pitiful..... shame on you Gree.

[tiffaneeb]

Please change the top 25 reward from Komodo to Ravage.

[roookey1]

I like Komodo.

Whenever I get it as fusion result - or even better: from opening a paid chest! - I feel an urge to throw a party and celebrate. There's no better fusion fodder than the most expensive one, I feel so rich when I have to...eeh...may convert it into garbage!

[Lord P]

I guess the good days of Peacock and Naga as T25 are over.

[Sekta72]

We went t25 and got Komodo back in the very first raid event, Orc Raid. 6 months later Komodo is t25 raid reward again?? Come on Gree you can do better than that please!!

If you want people to spend there hard earned cash on this game, give them something worth fighting for.

[Rhaegal]

Same here, had 30K+ gems in guild waiting for t25. now....free playing the war. Realize 30K+ is not a huge amount of gems for some guilds but that's 30K that won't be spent.

We were figuring Ravage would be offered, thinking maybe Guardians, and hoping for Apocalypse.

Took 10 seconds to cancel the run and decide it wasn't worth it.

I guess this a good chance for some very new guilds to snag a very bad epic... that they will replace in 8-10 days with the heroic epic...

[ramuh]

Reward is terrible for T25. You can get a better, but useless in a month epic from Heroic Event. At least Komodo as a reward frees up my weekend

[UP Jen]

Komodo as t25 reward is just stupid. It is literally worthless. No one should spend gems on this war unless they're going t10.

Why Gree, why?

Wait I know -- December was Player Appreciation Month, that makes January Player Depreciation Month.

[Lord P]

Raid scoring this time around

10th place 800,000,000
11th place 799,999,999 <------- unlucky guild
12th place 20,000 <------- nothing better to do this weekend

[Ant venom]

Komodo is also stupid considering it is now easily fused and primordial hide also replaces it too since that is even more better than the epic from heroic mode (only the normal in combined stats, although the + is unknown) and primordial hide is also fusible.

[MeHere2]

Is your staff actually this completely incompetent or just don't care? Top 25 reward is just a complete joke.

[Regretz]

This weeks eb+ has better stats than komodo... and its FREE! This t25 reward is the biggest slap in the face Gree has thrown at us. Oh well, f2p this raid, free weekend for other games.

[Ant venom]

Agreed and I don't think they don't care I think GREE doesn't hire the right people. I think this is how GREE hires people:
Gree interviewer: Hi and do you understand English?
Applicant: No
Interviewer: Do you know what is Knights and Dragons, how to play, and how to make players happy and male Gree money?
Applicant: No
Interviewer: You're hired!

[Blissfully Aware]

Please change the raid t25 reward. This is an absolute outrage. A plus version would be slightly less insulting but repeating Komodo as the t25 reward is absurd.

Blisss
Co-Gm Groundswell

[Regretz]

Even komodo+ would be insulting as the heroic mode + version is significantly stronger, and again its free and easy to obtain. Komodo just should never be seen as a raid/war reward unless its for like 26-50 lol. Its an absolute piece of garbage... just more fusion fodder.

[UP Tide]

You want to hear from the players more now, well here you go...

What a slap in the face to us PLAYERS (CASHERS & F2P alike)!!!

Please Revamp the T25 reward Gree.

[Rhaegal]

And if komodo as a t25 epic isn't bad enough, anyone notice the arena reward?

Gree is openly mocking it's player base now.

[Blissfully Aware]

While we appreciate you listening to our complaints, but the arclite is hardly an upgrade from the outdated komodo. Come on Gree!!! This is insulting.

[UP Tide]

While we appreciate you listening to our complaints, but the arclite is hardly an upgrade from the outdated komodo. Come on Gree!!! This is insulting.

Here is another Epic GREE wants to recycle that isn't even relevant.

[Rhaegal]

While I have to give gree credit for somewhat listening and changing thr t25 epic... Arclite isn't much better. It isn't much better for the players and it isn't much better for gree.

Raptor raid the t25 epic was peacock. The top 25 min score was 1.1 billion I think.
Kirin raid the t25 epic was naga. The top 25 cut off was 1.8 billion or so points.

I'll have to find the exact numbers. Now let us compare

Commander stats on main knit in a maxed guild

Komodo 2.425 / 2,207 Total 4,632
Arclite 2,836 / 2,395 Total 5,231
Peacock 2,540 / 2,928 Total 5,468
Naga 2,672 / 2,801 Total 5,473

So now naga was 4 weeks ago and peacock was 6 weeks ago.
Logically which epic should have been offered as a t25 prize to keep things moving forward? I'm glad you asked.
Here's some suggestions if you want to make $$$ from your events!

Bonesaw 2,451 / 3,092 total 5,543

Or slightly less great but still acceptable
Firestorm 2,919 / 2,552 total 5,471

Or if you wanted to generate some serious $$$$$

Apocalypse 2,734 / 2,578 total 5,312

Yes I know apocalypse stats aren't great anymore but it's a water / fire epic and if you pay ANY attention to your game you'll know players go bonkers for fire water.

But wait! It gets even better!

If you wanted a t25 so epic that it would shatter every raid/war record known to KnD on both platforms and cause a massive Avalanche of gem spending that would push t10 beyond anything you've ever seen before,

Offer harlequin 2,926 / 2,537 total 5,463

I know this is a crazy crazy hard concept to understand but if you give people what they want, awesome armors to fight for, they will give you what you want....$$$$$ and lots of it!

Again, thanks for listening, now go try again, second times the charm right?

[Longbeard]

It seems that Gree has an overflowing warehouse full of ancient, outdated, rusty armors. Armors they need to get rid off.

Gree management seems to think, "Let's go once more go back to back and surprise the, this time prepared, player with a lousy top-25 armor."

Oops, that komodo was a step to far. Let's see what more scrap we have in our backyard. Oh, maybe this rusty arclite will satisfy them.

Let me predict this war, because Gree seems not capable to think ahead or think from the viewpoint of its customers.

The top 10 war will be slightly more expensive, because the war to become #10 will be harder. Nobody wants an old piece of metal. The rest of the top 25 will drop back fast. Spending less gems because they really do not want another ancient rusty piece in their epic collections.

With these back to back wars no guild can predict what members will do when the reward, the armor, is not known before. So players sign up blind, sit and wait till the start of the blitz, when the lousy raid reward is announced. Then sit still during the blitz and raid, hardly spending any gems, but cursing all the way at Gree.

Brilliant move Gree!

When does Gree starts to play test the game? Starts to listen to their customers? Instead of doing Greediculous attempts to get more gems.

[Mos20]

Cmon guys, if you spend heaps on the raid to get a crappy armor, you can also get - wait for it - Spectors Shroud from the 5k gem spending event. Because that is worth it. Right?

[Maarten De With]

December was people appriciation month.... welll we could definatelly see that that's over. Great choice of t25 armor -_-

[Lord P]

While I have to give gree credit for somewhat listening and changing thr t25 epic... Arclite isn't much better. It isn't much better for the players and it isn't much better for gree.

Raptor raid the t25 epic was peacock. The top 25 min score was 1.1 billion I think.
Kirin raid the t25 epic was naga. The top 25 cut off was 1.8 billion or so points.

I'll have to find the exact numbers. Now let us compare

Commander stats on main knit in a maxed guild

Komodo 2.425 / 2,207 Total 4,632
Arclite 2,836 / 2,395 Total 5,231
Peacock 2,540 / 2,928 Total 5,468
Naga 2,672 / 2,801 Total 5,473

So now naga was 4 weeks ago and peacock was 6 weeks ago.
Logically which epic should have been offered as a t25 prize to keep things moving forward? I'm glad you asked.
Here's some suggestions if you want to make $$$ from your events!

Bonesaw 2,451 / 3,092 total 5,543

Or slightly less great but still acceptable
Firestorm 2,919 / 2,552 total 5,471

Or if you wanted to generate some serious $$$$$

Apocalypse 2,734 / 2,578 total 5,312

Yes I know apocalypse stats aren't great anymore but it's a water / fire epic and if you pay ANY attention to your game you'll know players go bonkers for fire water.

But wait! It gets even better!

If you wanted a t25 so epic that it would shatter every raid/war record known to KnD on both platforms and cause a massive Avalanche of gem spending that would push t10 beyond anything you've ever seen before,

Offer harlequin 2,926 / 2,537 total 5,463

I know this is a crazy crazy hard concept to understand but if you give people what they want, awesome armors to fight for, they will give you what you want....$$$$$ and lots of it!

Again, thanks for listening, now go try again, second times the charm right?
My thoughts exactly. Bull's-eye!

[Ant venom]

They should give us guardian's

[Longbeard]

The second lousy back to back run. Worthless Top-25 rewards, sitting two wars out in a 'strange' guild. When is Gree coming to their senses and start play testing the game, start listening to the player? Or does the 'community manager' nothing?

It seems Gree doesn't understand the concept of moderation and managing a community.

[Rhaegal]

Well top25 finished at 578m as the low point cut off. Hope gree learned its lesson since that's 1/3 the score needed Kirin raid and 1/2 the score needed raptor raid. They missed out on 9,000,000,000 points worth of gems by offering a poor t25 epic. Now each level 6 boss is worth 8,0000,000 hit points and 28,000,000 kill points so that's 250 bosses. Which is 2,000,000,000 hit points. At an average of 37,500 points per hit (this will vary) that's approximately 53,333 hits. Translated into gems that's 133,333 gems. We can round that to 133,000 to make the math easier. Sold at a 70% sale that's $11,637.50 worth of gems.

So congrats whoever made the decision on the t25 armor, in two days you just lost your company the equivalent of approximately your salary for the month... Maybe more.. Good job...

I had to edit this post because I found a major flaw in my math. Sorry for the confusion. But keep in mind this is ios only. If android was the same, that's a lot of freaking money.

[BUBER]

Rhaegal you SHOULD charge GREE money for such precious advice... I mean it. Two comments with some real insight and value. They couldn't grasp the concept but you were spot on!

[Lord P]

Gree has a rode map for desent t25 armor........... it's called the Arena, then the Champions Pack, then the chest guaranteed bonuses. Gree has already done the math on this and they're doing what makes them the most money. Every once in a while they'll put a decent t25 armor out there for wars and raids but don't expect that to happen every weekend.

You'll have to wait and hunt for the good deals like Armor of the Peacock, Naga Platemail and Champion's Battlegear. I got all three of those from the t25 weekend events. Let's keep it real though, they didn't put those out there for me. They put those out there because it suites their business model....... which we already know has little to do with how we feel as paying customers. Just take a look at this weekend. They start out with Komondo, which everyone complained about. So they change it, giving the illusion of actually being concerned about the community and what do they do? Put out Arclite Shroud which has already been t25 within the last few months..... an epic most people could care less about and is already a bit weaker than what can currently be fused (Ravage Shieldplate).

Gree is treating it's community like Crack Whores...... why? Because the community lets them. Stop spending gems on garbage and maybe the treatment will get better. Seem logical? lol

[dpalbldelf]

Lord P, the problem is that you are speaking logically, and with business sense. Many are not willing to understand that Gree is a business whose first and foremost concern is to make as much money as they can. I would be willing to accept that initially, like many game companies, they started out trying to make fun games, money was secondary. I am sure that there are still some idealists that still feel that way at Gree. However, as with practically all companies, the increase of cash flow changes the mindset. Let's face it, the purpose of a company is to make money.

I agree with you that the only way to truly make/force a change with a company is to decrease their revenue. However, as seen on these forums many times, and in-game, that when a group decides to try that approach another group swoops in to grab the rewards, thereby negating the desired effect.

[Lord P]

I agree with you that the only way to truly make/force a change with a company is to decrease their revenue. However, as seen on these forums many times, and in-game, that when a group decides to try that approach another group swoops in to grab the rewards, thereby negating the desired effect.
If this is in fact the case then Gree is 100% correct in doing what they do. They try to play non-alliance people against the alliances...... they create the atmosphere in which the non-gem spenders hate the gem spenders. This is what Gree does well and the general community falls for it.

At the end of the day it's not Gree's fault that they employ a business model that puts people against each other. The community has to be smart enough not to fall for the nonsense. Keep the masters of the game honest. If they abuse us or exploit us then we have to be smart enough to walk away, or stop spending. But when we as a community tell Gree, "Abuse us and we will remain loyal to your product (drug). Give us less for more money and we will love you just the same," we then get what we deserve.

I became hip to the game Gree is playing on us during the Vargar Raiment Boss Raid. I was patiently waiting for a fire/water t25 award and what did they do? Gave us a mono fire epic (Flameguard Platemail) instead.... can't tell you how pissed I was about that. Remember that? Decided at that point I wouldn't spend gems on garbage epics, especially when they deviate from previous trends to withhold epics they don't want to give out in weekend events. OK fine. I'm no fool, so guess what? I won't spend another dime on garbage epics because I can't wait for something better to come around. I feel great sympathy for anyone who spends 1400 gems on Blazestone Mantle+ (the very first fire/water epic). If anyone is that desperate then they deserve to get abused. Gree is banking on the idea that some people are wealthy enough to not have to wait for something better or too stupid to know better.

Plain and simple, if we don't want Gree to abuse us with their selection of awards for weekend events, or the declining number of nice epics we get from chests, etc., ect., then we have to stop giving them good reasons to keep exploiting us. Stop spending............ Gree doesn't determine how valuable a piece of armor is......... WE DO! Apocalypse Platemail and Harlequin Roguegear are pixels and values just like any other epic..... but when we assign value to them that isn't real then we give Gree all the power they need to give us less for more money.

For the people who can't see this.......... enjoy your Blazestone+......... crack whores.

/end rant

[Rhaegal]

Gree has a rode map for desent t25 armor........... it's called the Arena, then the Champions Pack, then the chest guaranteed bonuses. Gree has already done the math on this and they're doing what makes them the most money. Every once in a while they'll put a decent t25 armor out there for wars and raids but don't expect that to happen every weekend.

You'll have to wait and hunt for the good deals like Armor of the Peacock, Naga Platemail and Champion's Battlegear. I got all three of those from the t25 weekend events. Let's keep it real though, they didn't put those out there for me. They put those out there because it suites their business model....... which we already know has little to do with how we feel as paying customers. Just take a look at this weekend. They start out with Komondo, which everyone complained about. So they change it, giving the illusion of actually being concerned about the community and what do they do? Put out Arclite Shroud which has already been t25 within the last few months..... an epic most people could care less about and is already a bit weaker than what can currently be fused (Ravage Shieldplate).

Gree is treating it's community like Crack Whores...... why? Because the community lets them. Stop spending gems on garbage and maybe the treatment will get better. Seem logical? lol

The more I've thought about his, the more it made sense. I know from my own raid score tracking that the average t25 raid armor costs 350 gems per player.

So it makes complete sense that gree would offer an armor as a champion pack for $100 before giving it as a t25 prize.

I was so busy focusing on them losing $30 per player on t25 I missed the other economics. So basically we can expect the string of crap t25 armors to continue.