Armor spam

[roookey1]

How are the active players among you dealing with 'armor spam'?

My armor spots are filled with about 320 armors by now, just about 40 of them are bronze or 1-star, the rest is all 2-stars, unfusable 3-stars (same elements), fusion boosts, my epics, ~20 EB/EB+ that can't be fused (same elements) and the few EB+ I keep.

So I am totally unable to craft any armor right now. And I am far away from shrinking my inventory, actuall I am already scared of the upcoming raid, as I am usually one of the most active players in our guild, the raid will increase my armor list by another 60-100 items. After deducting maybe 10 3-star rewards I could fuse, unsuccessfully trying for legendaries, I will still sit on 40-80 more items than I had.
Getting new epics I could fuse all these armors into is extremely hard compared to how easy you can get new fusion armors. The last time I could fuse an epic was a long time ago - and as for chests, well I am currently trying to get away from them as the chances to get anything decent (= epics I don't already have and that aren't outdated) is extremely little but costs way too much. So pretty much the only sense fusion fodder has - to enhance the best armors you have - isn't an option. Also, as said, I can't craft anymore (legendaries being most important), so what to do?

Yeah sure, I could melt all my stuff to gold, but my guild is maxed out and we have enough gold to purchase strong guardians already. So why waste it. I could also fuse the 2-stars and hope to turn them into 3-stars to try for legendaries, but starting this process from 2-stars would cost me hundreds of fusion stones and only mean terrible waste. I feel stuck in this game, with no (smart) way of escaping this stalemate.

Any suggestions ?

[Fossil]

Yes, I think it stinks that there is an armor limit. If I buy chests for a gemnado I am forced to burn off the armor I bought in order to be able to craft again. Then if I burn it off to craft an EB, then I have no armor to level it with. A vicious circle indeed

[filthymcnasty]

Man I feel bad for gree some people can be so needy first every one complains that we have to waste gold to get rid of unwanted armor and finally gree decides to let us smelt unwanted armor for gold now you don't wanna sell for gold smh

Imo we can't expect the quality of a pc game to be given to us on a free to download android or Apple game but that's just the way I see it

[strangespinner]

Looks like to me you just needa waste off all your bronze stars for sure, i never hold onto bronze they are worthless, thats my opinion, also lvling up will eventually increase your inventory space. If thats not enough help maybe you should waste off some lower gear sets into your existing legends. Lvl them up a bit just to create room. What exactly do you hold onto so much gear for? Honestly im never near max space cuz i constantly lvling stuff to create eb+ and lvling my char which expands my inventory. And then i fuse away regular eb sets soon as i get 2 ebs that can go together.

[Marco_]

How are the active players among you dealing with 'armor spam'?

Yeah sure, I could melt all my stuff to gold, but my guild is maxed out and we have enough gold to purchase strong guardians already. So why waste it. I could also fuse the 2-stars and hope to turn them into 3-stars to try for legendaries, but starting this process from 2-stars would cost me hundreds of fusion stones and only mean terrible waste. I feel stuck in this game, with no (smart) way of escaping this stalemate.
You have 2 conflicting trains of thought there:

the old "fusion stones are valuable and I need to hoard them and gold to make enhancement fodder"
"I have too much enhancement fodder"

You should drop the first and replace it by "I only need a few dozen fusion stones to try for epics and can use the rest and surplus gold to turn basics I can craft in 2x 4 1/2 minutes into enhancement fodder quickly".
That makes it much easier to smelt/enhance onto 2* away the clutter in your armory instead of hoarding it, since mountains of enhancement fodder are just hours away if you really need them.

[roookey1]

I will get 5 fusion boosts today as reward for the war, just got 6 2-stars and 3 1-stars in the arena as milestone reward, and tonight 3 3-stars and 4 2-stars as arena reward. Together with the regular arena gimmicks, just 12 hours after sending the initial post I am now at 360 armors, and the raid is just around the corner!! I am not at I don't mind the 1-stars, but you're seriously recommending me to waste the 2-stars and fusion boosts? :D

This is really a vicious circle .... I engage myself playing for rewards, but am forced to throw them to garbage right afterwards.

[Marco_]

Epics, 4* and fusion boosts (180/150 enhancement points) is what you want to keep. (and maybe 3* that you can't fuse).
Everything else is 50 enhancement points or less and 50 enhancement points is something you can make in 4 1/2 minutes in 2 smiths by using 1 spare fusion stone and some of that excess gold. If you need the room and have nothing to use it on, smelt it or thow it onto another 50 enhancement point armor; it's 1 extra enhancement point added per level.

[Fossil]

First of all, let's forget the "free" argument. I have way too much invested in this game as do many others for that nomenclature to carry any weight with me. As for the needy tag, the topic of armor slots has long been discussed and just because the limit was raised still does not resolve the problem for some. Maybe you never spend the money to participate in a Gemnado and spend 5k gems on armors, opening 200 chests or thereabouts in one fell swoop. Or maybe you didn't participate in a holiday sale and end up with 200 Flowstone Battlegears to go along with your gems. Either way, why should I have to burn off the armors that I PAID (not free) for just to be able to participate in the game? Maybe you are satisfied with status quo, that is yours.

[roookey1]

Fully agreed, @Fossil!!!! That's exactly the point.

[MisterT]

Smelt 1 and 2 stars, craft 3 stars and fuse those 3 stars

[Adisty]

Do you still get fusion boost armors when donating to a maxed guild? If so, you could smelt armors and donate the gold to get fusion boosts. Yes, you would be getting more armors, but you would be getting rid of several more in the process.

How many Legendaries do you have? I know you said they are unfusible (same element), but you really only need to keep 3 of any given dual-element armor, since each one can only be worn by 3 of your knights. On a side note, I only keep adjacent element duals when it comes to EB armors.

[WatermelonSeed]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsive_hoarding

IMO - Anything 3 stars, and less, is fodder.

[Fossil]

Yes, fodder for leveling the armor that I cannot craft because my slots are full. Something that never ceases to amaze me are people that object to making a change to the game that is beneficial to players.

[Marco_]

Maybe you never spend the money to participate in a Gemnado and spend 5k gems on armors, opening 200 chests or thereabouts in one fell swoop. Or maybe you didn't participate in a holiday sale and end up with 200 Flowstone Battlegears to go along with your gems. Either way, why should I have to burn off the armors that I PAID (not free) for just to be able to participate in the game?
Nah, it's more like a game at a fair with an "everybody wins" slogan, giving out useless/worthless trinkets to those who didn't win a real prize. At home, you throw the trinkets in the trash or give them away. You seem to say "these trinkets are prescious! I won them!" instead... If the trinkets were health pots, crafting mats etc. instead of 2* fodder, would you feel differently?
2* from chest == the roulette wheel didn't hit your number/color: loss.
Maybe they should have made them smeltable to something less worthless than gold though. Crafting mats for 4* maybe, so you could turn them into fusion fodder?


Yes, fodder for leveling the armor that I cannot craft because my slots are full. Something that never ceases to amaze me are people that object to making a change to the game that is beneficial to players.

auto-play would also be beneficial to players, yet bots/macro programs will get you banned.
How much of the decissions do you take away before it turns from a "game" into a daemon process that you feed money, runs in the background and just spews out rewards at (ir)regular times?..

[Fossil]

I fail to understand how you relate auto play to an increase in armor slots, there is no correlation whatsoever. Your example has no bearing on the issue at hand which is my request to be able to utilize the armors that I paid for in a manner that benefits me.

The two star armors are not worthless trinkets and are very useful for leveling armor, but if you can't craft armor due to no slots available then you are at a stalemate. There is no reason why I should have to fuse/smelt away armor that in many circumstances I have paid for just to be able to craft the EB. If I were to do that, then I am back to fusing armors again just to level the EB armor that I craft and back to having to spend hours playing the adventure just to get fusion stones. Sorry, but I have a job and there is a balance between working to get the money that pays my bills and spending hours playing the adventure portion of the game to get fusion stones.

[busteroaf]

First of all, let's forget the "free" argument. I have way too much invested in this game as do many others for that nomenclature to carry any weight with me. As for the needy tag, the topic of armor slots has long been discussed and just because the limit was raised still does not resolve the problem for some. Maybe you never spend the money to participate in a Gemnado and spend 5k gems on armors, opening 200 chests or thereabouts in one fell swoop. Or maybe you didn't participate in a holiday sale and end up with 200 Flowstone Battlegears to go along with your gems. Either way, why should I have to burn off the armors that I PAID (not free) for just to be able to participate in the game? Maybe you are satisfied with status quo, that is yours.

I spent 5k gems before there was a reward for doing it. And I'm against unlimited storage.


Nah, it's more like a game at a fair with an "everybody wins" slogan, giving out useless/worthless trinkets to those who didn't win a real prize. At home, you throw the trinkets in the trash or give them away. You seem to say "these trinkets are prescious! I won them!" instead... If the trinkets were health pots, crafting mats etc. instead of 2* fodder, would you feel differently?
2* from chest == the roulette wheel didn't hit your number/color: loss.
Maybe they should have made them smeltable to something less worthless than gold though. Crafting mats for 4* maybe, so you could turn them into fusion fodder?


I think Marco is possibly my fav person left on these forums. No lie.


I fail to understand how you relate auto play to an increase in armor slots, there is no correlation whatsoever. Your example has no bearing on the issue at hand which is my request to be able to utilize the armors that I paid for in a manner that benefits me.

The two star armors are not worthless trinkets and are very useful for leveling armor, but if you can't craft armor due to no slots available then you are at a stalemate. There is no reason why I should have to fuse/smelt away armor that in many circumstances I have paid for just to be able to craft the EB. If I were to do that, then I am back to fusing armors again just to level the EB armor that I craft and back to having to spend hours playing the adventure just to get fusion stones. Sorry, but I have a job and there is a balance between working to get the money that pays my bills and spending hours playing the adventure portion of the game to get fusion stones.

Fossil, you're close to the top of my "this guy is smart, leave him alone" list, so I hope you don't see this as a personal attack. You make sense, but I disagree with unlimited storage, or more so do not see the issue with it, and here is why.

How many games do you play where you have unlimited inventory? Just off the top of my head, a few games I've played: Diablo, Fallout, WoW, most any RPG... they offer you storage options, with the ability to buy more in the form of a chest, or a storage bank, but at some point, you run out of space, and have to sell stuff. Do you complain to other game makers that you don't like having to port back to town to sell off junk, then go back to the dungeon? Guess what, its an extra time sink in the game, and the designers are clearly okay with that. It forces you to make a decision on what you're going to keep. Hell, go play old Warcraft/Starcraft/C&C or other RTS games. You have unit caps. And those games let you use all your units at once. This game, you use 3 at once max? Anything out of your main armors, a few glory "look at me" armors, are just extra crap. How many armors at this stage, are truly useful? Do you need 3 of every element combo? Even that that rate, you've got what, 30 armors, plus a few fancy ones? And yet the inventory cap is at 320? How many extra armors do you need to instantly level the next epic? Fuse that crap away, level another armor, or sell it. Its not Gree's fault you feel that you opened 200+ chests at once and it puts you over the cap. Its often an unnecessary evil, but, K&D isn't the first game to put it into practice.

Or think about it this way: Your castle has walls. You can't just keep building dragon nests and training fields to infinity. You are locked into a set space. You run out of building space right? Take that same space, and store sets of armor. You'd run out of space eventually, or you'd end up tossing them over the walls.

Hell, the game forces you to make decisions about what knights and armors to use ALL THE TIME, what is so wrong with making you make the decision on what to keep? Games force you to make decisions all the time.

TL : DR version... use them, fuse them, or junk them. Its the way the game is made.

[Fossil]

I spent 5k gems before there was a reward for doing it. And I'm against unlimited storage.



I think Marco is possibly my fav person left on these forums. No lie.



Fossil, you're close to the top of my "this guy is smart, leave him alone" list, so I hope you don't see this as a personal attack. You make sense, but I disagree with unlimited storage, or more so do not see the issue with it, and here is why.

How many games do you play where you have unlimited inventory? Just off the top of my head, a few games I've played: Diablo, Fallout, WoW, most any RPG... they offer you storage options, with the ability to buy more in the form of a chest, or a storage bank, but at some point, you run out of space, and have to sell stuff. Do you complain to other game makers that you don't like having to port back to town to sell off junk, then go back to the dungeon? Guess what, its an extra time sink in the game, and the designers are clearly okay with that. It forces you to make a decision on what you're going to keep. Hell, go play old Warcraft/Starcraft/C&C or other RTS games. You have unit caps. And those games let you use all your units at once. This game, you use 3 at once max? Anything out of your main armors, a few glory "look at me" armors, are just extra crap. How many armors at this stage, are truly useful? Do you need 3 of every element combo? Even that that rate, you've got what, 30 armors, plus a few fancy ones? And yet the inventory cap is at 320? How many extra armors do you need to instantly level the next epic? Fuse that crap away, level another armor, or sell it. Its not Gree's fault you feel that you opened 200+ chests at once and it puts you over the cap. Its often an unnecessary evil, but, K&D isn't the first game to put it into practice.

Or think about it this way: Your castle has walls. You can't just keep building dragon nests and training fields to infinity. You are locked into a set space. You run out of building space right? Take that same space, and store sets of armor. You'd run out of space eventually, or you'd end up tossing them over the walls.

Hell, the game forces you to make decisions about what knights and armors to use ALL THE TIME, what is so wrong with making you make the decision on what to keep? Games force you to make decisions all the time.

TL : DR version... use them, fuse them, or junk them. Its the way the game is made.

I hear what you are saying, but why would I limit myself by comparing this game to others? If we go through life with no expectations of bettering our position and saying that this is how it has always been we never move forward.

To address your point concerning the duplication of element combinations, the Raid War has changed the way the game is played. Prior to the raid you only needed armor suited to stack in battle against another knight. Repetition of elements was hardly a factor and at the end of the day if you couldn't overpower the GM, you could find someone to farm. Raid has created an environment that necessitates armor depth, even to the point where duplication of certain element combinations in your arsenal becomes beneficial.

[Rookeye]

... use them, fuse them, or junk them. Its the way the game is made.

I love you. Exactly.

[busteroaf]

I hear what you are saying, but why would I limit myself by comparing this game to others? If we go through life with no expectations of bettering our position and saying that this is how it has always been we never move forward.

To address your point concerning the duplication of element combinations, the Raid War has changed the way the game is played. Prior to the raid you only needed armor suited to stack in battle against another knight. Repetition of elements was hardly a factor and at the end of the day if you couldn't overpower the GM, you could find someone to farm. Raid has created an environment that necessitates armor depth, even to the point where duplication of certain element combinations in your arsenal becomes beneficial.

That is why I said you needed 30 armors, 3 of each element combo. I forgot 3 of each mono for a total of 45. How much more depth than 45 is needed? And the limit is 150 now? (last time I looked I saw 150. Maybe its bigger, thought I saw someone say 320 for some reason earlier) If you can't find something to level, or a way to get rid of boosts and such, you're just hoarding for no reason. Like I said, I know everyone has their armors they want to keep and such, but... again, the game forces you to make decisions. You can't have it all, because that is the way THEY, the game designers, want you play the game.

Its not just accepting the status quo, or going through life with no expectations of bettering your position. Its a game, not life where I'm trying for a raise, or haggling with the car salesman for a better deal. When you play THEIR game, you play by THEIR rules, that THEY set. If you can convince them to change it, good for you, but more often than not, they put limits on it for a reason. It is a part of game play they clearly designed. You may not like the limit, but they purposely do it. You want to craft? Gotta have space. Want to carry around a set of PVP and PVE armor for both specs of your Ret/Holy Pally? Be ready to dedicate a whole bag or two (of your 5) for just gear. Oh, there is an option to store full sets? Sure, you can do that, but it'll cost you.

Same argument that people have made since the beginning of these games: they've defined these limits within a game that costs nothing to play. They don't force you to buy/open so many chests that you go over the limit. You knew the limit prior to opening chests right? No one forces you to spend money. You choose to, or chose to, spend money, usually to better your position. You still can't always have everything you want.

Same as the speed limit while driving. You know the limit right? Do you think you can just say "well, I think its unfair that I have to be limited by this posted sign... I can drive safer, I paid for my car, I should be able to drive as fast as I want."? Its not always safe, or feasible to surpass pre-set limits.

[Fossil]

That is why I said you needed 30 armors, 3 of each element combo. I forgot 3 of each mono for a total of 45. How much more depth than 45 is needed? And the limit is 150 now? (last time I looked I saw 150. Maybe its bigger, thought I saw someone say 320 for some reason earlier) If you can't find something to level, or a way to get rid of boosts and such, you're just hoarding for no reason. Like I said, I know everyone has their armors they want to keep and such, but... again, the game forces you to make decisions. You can't have it all, because that is the way THEY, the game designers, want you play the game.

Its not just accepting the status quo, or going through life with no expectations of bettering your position. Its a game, not life where I'm trying for a raise, or haggling with the car salesman for a better deal. When you play THEIR game, you play by THEIR rules, that THEY set. If you can convince them to change it, good for you, but more often than not, they put limits on it for a reason. It is a part of game play they clearly designed. You may not like the limit, but they purposely do it. You want to craft? Gotta have space. Want to carry around a set of PVP and PVE armor for both specs of your Ret/Holy Pally? Be ready to dedicate a whole bag or two (of your 5) for just gear. Oh, there is an option to store full sets? Sure, you can do that, but it'll cost you.

Same argument that people have made since the beginning of these games: they've defined these limits within a game that costs nothing to play. They don't force you to buy/open so many chests that you go over the limit. You knew the limit prior to opening chests right? No one forces you to spend money. You choose to, or chose to, spend money, usually to better your position. You still can't always have everything you want.

Same as the speed limit while driving. You know the limit right? Do you think you can just say "well, I think its unfair that I have to be limited by this posted sign... I can drive safer, I paid for my car, I should be able to drive as fast as I want."? Its not always safe, or feasible to surpass pre-set limits.

Let me see if I understand this. You are retired from the game and therefore have no vested interest. I guess my first question is why are you not playing anymore. From some of your posts I presume that you were not happy with some aspects of the game? That seems to be a recurring theme among some who hang out here and offer advice or comment on many of these posts. If that is how you choose to spend your time, so be it.

On the other hand, I am an active player who invests my time and money in the game and I am actively voicing my opinions and concerns. No, you can't always have what you want, but I will never understand the naysayers that spend their time and energy explaining to the world why it can't be. While I respect your opinion, I am entitled to my own.

[busteroaf]

Let me see if I understand this. You are retired from the game and therefore have no vested interest. I guess my first question is why are you not playing anymore. From some of your posts I presume that you were not happy with some aspects of the game? That seems to be a recurring theme among some who hang out here and offer advice or comment on many of these posts. If that is how you choose to spend your time, so be it.

On the other hand, I am an active player who invests my time and money in the game and I am actively voicing my opinions and concerns. No, you can't always have what you want, but I will never understand the naysayers that spend their time and energy explaining to the world why it can't be. While I respect your opinion, I am entitled to my own.

Well, I actually updated the game and logged in today, so technically I do play. But you're far more accurate with the retired statement. There never really was a "I didn't enjoy parts of the game, I quit." reason for me leaving. To be honest: Personal issues with a few people I regularly played with, and a drained bank account thanks to outside influences, and rising costs within the game to stay where I wanted to stay. Add those together, and you get a general "meh" feeling, and less interest in the game, thus I quit.

Although, you may believe that to mean I have no vested interest, you a quite wrong. Just as you, who plays, and pays by your previous statements, I've paid my share of time and money into this game as well. Just because I don't play 24/7 currently, and surely don't spend money anymore, doesn't mean my $$ was any less valuable, or that I'm not entitled to an opinion. Just like you are. I never said your opinion didn't matter, or that it was wrong, just I didn't agree with it, and stated/gave the reasons why.

[Smiley80]

I have 64 fusion boosts with nothing to level.

I fused all the 3* i had together and created many 4* (mostly Spirit mono). then fused those to give nothing worth keeping.

Then i still had many more armors so I tested Fusing 31 3*(spirit/wind) with 31 1*. The results were 16 2* and 15 1*. I got no 3* or silver star armors. I had the gold, fusion stones and excess armor to do this test.

With no armor to level i had nothing better to do.

Note: i have 24 million gold, more than 400 fusion stars and was at 250+ armors in my bags.

Raids are the biggest contributors to the excess armors.

[Rookeye]

I usually pick an armor or two (brand new EB, EB+ or Epic from a recently finished war), and unload all my undesirable armors on them, killing two birds with one stone: I empty my bags of 1*, 2*, and 3* armors, and simultaneously upgrade/max armor(s) I want to keep...lather, rinse, repeat.

When I get a large number of 4* that are undesirable, I play "fuse roulette" and see if I can't make an epic.

I don't see what the problem is...? :rolleyes:

[Fossil]

I have more then twice the armor cap in fusion boost armors alone and absolutely do not plan on fusing them to each other to fall under an arbitrary cap that has already been raised once and merits further consideration in my opinion. The game is evolving and as such, I am putting my opinion out there for GREE to consider. If the prospect of more storage does not appeal to you, then that is yours. You will not change my opinion nor will I change yours so we will have to respectfully agree to disagree.

[roookey1]

I fully agree - since starting this thread, I am now at almost 500 armor pieces. Maybe 50 of them are crap, but everything else is 2-star, unfusable 3-stars (same elements), and almost 100 fusion boosts (shame on me that I opened chests and received them as a reward). I cannot craft legendaries to pump my 1-,2-, 3-stars and fusion boosts into them, because my inventory is so full that I see no way of getting it down to 170 anymore. I will also not be able to do anything with Heroic mode, as it even requires us to start crafting within the 28 days of the event.

Especially with the legendaries we can craft in Heroic mode, it is about time for Gree to raise storage to a minimum of 500, if not 1000. I fully agree with the comments above : I BOUGHT most of these armors from chest, suggesting we should just waste them or this is a 'natural limit' of the game we just have to live with is just illustrating ignorance and making me ask if you get paid to post that here ...unless you have forgotten that you are a customer as well, so what's the point of arguing we should just shut up and be happy with what is a design flaw in a game that has many options to 'win' fusion armor but only allows crafting if a very low number of armors are in storage??

[Rookeye]

So what you're saying is:

1) "I BOUGHT useless junk!"
2) "I need ROOM for good stuff, but this useless junk I bought prevents me from acquiring it/participating!"
3) "I REFUSE TO GET RID OF THE JUNK!"
4) "Naturally, it's all GREE's Fault!"

Pardon me while I roll my eyeballs.

Even in the real world, if you buy more clothes than you have closet SPACE for, you eventually have to give away or sell off some of your existing clothes before you can buy new ones, no matter how much money you spent on those earlier clothes.

Your closet is full. Make some hard decisions, or miss Heroic Mode. Your choice. But I wouldn't pass on the fun of the first real new expansion to the game because I refused to let go of 50 two-star armors, whether I got them for free in Raid or paid for them opening chests. *shrug*

[B Legit]

I have more then twice the armor cap in fusion boost armors alone and absolutely do not plan on fusing them to each other to fall under an arbitrary cap that has already been raised once and merits further consideration in my opinion. The game is evolving and as such, I am putting my opinion out there for GREE to consider. If the prospect of more storage does not appeal to you, then that is yours. You will not change my opinion nor will I change yours so we will have to respectfully agree to disagree.

Like you said earlier Raid changed the game when it comes to this. Before I would keep my strongest of each element type/combo. Now it is about having 3 deep in every combo if possible. 180 armor slots seems like a lot, until you start leveling your epics and realize you need 500 armors to max it, but you have to stay under 180 if you want to craft. I get the fact they want you to choose, A.) Craft or B.) Hoard armor. But it creates a gap between a desirable solution. I say 250 armor slots would be ideal, you'd still have to strategize, but the majority of the games players now are vets who need the extra space.

and Rook - My inventory is full of valuable armor, not cheap useless stuff. So when my closet gets full of really nice things, I'll ask for a bigger closet, not sell them off :D

[Rookeye]

So noted, B...but I don't have the architect's phone number... ;)

[busteroaf]

So what you're saying is:

1) "I BOUGHT useless junk!"
2) "I need ROOM for good stuff, but this useless junk I bought prevents me from acquiring it/participating!"
3) "I REFUSE TO GET RID OF THE JUNK!"
4) "Naturally, it's all GREE's Fault!"

Pardon me while I roll my eyeballs.

Even in the real world, if you buy more clothes than you have closet SPACE for, you eventually have to give away or sell off some of your existing clothes before you can buy new ones, no matter how much money you spent on those earlier clothes.

Your closet is full. Make some hard decisions, or miss Heroic Mode. Your choice. But I wouldn't pass on the fun of the first real new expansion to the game because I refused to let go of 50 two-star armors, whether I got them for free in Raid or paid for them opening chests. *shrug*

Rook - High five. Really solid high five. I'm talking the kind of high five that when the hands meet the sound is so loud people within 20 feet all turn and look. Also, kudos, I haven't really paid attention, but its nice to see another Prominent Poet around here.

Everyone else:

I'm not opposed to having more armors. Ask away. If that is what you want to do, do it. It doesn't bother me. Like I said, I opened my game, haven't played in forever, and even more so, I haven't PAID in forever either. So most of my 30x 2* armors were from small bits of arena I had played, and FBA were from el cheapo wars that I solo'd with free energy to get a few extra boosts. I know the struggle. I played back when the limit was what, 80? I'm over limit. Couldn't craft if I wanted to. I could use the space. There, I said it. But I also understand why they set limits, and this isn't the first game to do so. But, other games I've played, maybe I never noticed the "I don't have enough space" argument being around so much.

B- If you need 500 armors to max an Epic, they must have changed the leveling requirements since I was playing. Though I think that is a slight exaggeration even if they didn't. Even so, how often do you need to level an epic? And unless its an EB event and you NEED to craft... how often do you still NEED the EB's?
And, like I mentioned before: 3 deep of each element combo is still only 45 TOP armors right? Or are you needing 3x of an attack heavy armors, even strength armors, and defense heavy armors? That is the only way I'd see there being a limit with "valuable" armors. If not, and you simply need 3 of each combo, if you save another 50 for ****s and giggles, you've still got plenty of space left. And between blitz's, wars, raids, arena and whatever else gives you armors, you should easily be able to replenish, especially if you're dropping any minor amount of gems.

As for your inventory being full of "valuable armor"... define valuable. I'm just curious, because I can't see how with only being able to use a set amount at any given time, that THAT many things are deemed "valuable". Sounds to me like there is a hoarding issue.

To me, here's a few: Cloudrange+. First GW win reward. Jian's Battlegear+. I believe my first EB+ armor. Then the 4 dragon armors because I love the look. Then after that, pretty much the top 3 of each combo. After that, its junk. If you aren't using it against a boss, or in the raids, YOU. AREN'T. USING. IT. How many glory armors do people NEED to keep? That is WANT, not a NEED. And don't get it twisted here. I'm not the one telling you how to play the game. Gree did that, by setting the limit.

The obvious idea is a gallery of armors you've crafted, that way you can get rid of all those glamour armors.

[B Legit]

B- If you need 500 armors to max an Epic, they must have changed the leveling requirements since I was playing. Though I think that is a slight exaggeration even if they didn't. Even so, how often do you need to level an epic? And unless its an EB event and you NEED to craft... how often do you still NEED the EB's?


As for your inventory being full of "valuable armor"... define valuable. I'm just curious, because I can't see how with only being able to use a set amount at any given time, that THAT many things are deemed "valuable". Sounds to me like there is a hoarding issue.


Of course it was an exaggeration but that is beside the point. I think you misinterpreted my post, I'm not saying we NEED more, just that it'd be convenient. It takes 150-200 armors to level an epic if you are using anything other than fusion boosts. But there lies the problem. These "valuable" armors I talk about are Epics and FBAs. Yes, I could probably cut down on my fusion boosts, but they are limited and very valuable in the game, so I don't want to throw them away for nothing. No I don't need or even get EB's, so that is irrelevant. But with the new Heroic mode (You should try it out), you can craft EPICS, which yes, I do want to craft.

So if I have a hoarding issue you have a misinterpreting issue :D

[busteroaf]

Of course it was an exaggeration but that is beside the point. I think you misinterpreted my post, I'm not saying we NEED more, just that it'd be convenient. It takes 150-200 armors to level an epic if you are using anything other than fusion boosts. But there lies the problem. These "valuable" armors I talk about are Epics and FBAs. Yes, I could probably cut down on my fusion boosts, but they are limited and very valuable in the game, so I don't want to throw them away for nothing. No I don't need or even get EB's, so that is irrelevant. But with the new Heroic mode (You should try it out), you can craft EPICS, which yes, I do want to craft.

So if I have a hoarding issue you have a misinterpreting issue :D

Minor verbage mistake. I can admit it.

[B Legit]

Minor verbage mistake. I can admit it.

Just pokin fun! :D I take no offense to really anything lol

[Rookeye]

*hand still stinging from high-five*


The love is mutual Busteroaf! ;) ;) ;)

[Jason Pease]

I spent 5k gems before there was a reward for doing it. And I'm against unlimited storage.



I think Marco is possibly my fav person left on these forums. No lie.



Fossil, you're close to the top of my "this guy is smart, leave him alone" list, so I hope you don't see this as a personal attack. You make sense, but I disagree with unlimited storage, or more so do not see the issue with it, and here is why.

How many games do you play where you have unlimited inventory? Just off the top of my head, a few games I've played: Diablo, Fallout, WoW, most any RPG... they offer you storage options, with the ability to buy more in the form of a chest, or a storage bank, but at some point, you run out of space, and have to sell stuff. Do you complain to other game makers that you don't like having to port back to town to sell off junk, then go back to the dungeon? Guess what, its an extra time sink in the game, and the designers are clearly okay with that. It forces you to make a decision on what you're going to keep. Hell, go play old Warcraft/Starcraft/C&C or other RTS games. You have unit caps. And those games let you use all your units at once. This game, you use 3 at once max? Anything out of your main armors, a few glory "look at me" armors, are just extra crap. How many armors at this stage, are truly useful? Do you need 3 of every element combo? Even that that rate, you've got what, 30 armors, plus a few fancy ones? And yet the inventory cap is at 320? How many extra armors do you need to instantly level the next epic? Fuse that crap away, level another armor, or sell it. Its not Gree's fault you feel that you opened 200+ chests at once and it puts you over the cap. Its often an unnecessary evil, but, K&D isn't the first game to put it into practice.

Or think about it this way: Your castle has walls. You can't just keep building dragon nests and training fields to infinity. You are locked into a set space. You run out of building space right? Take that same space, and store sets of armor. You'd run out of space eventually, or you'd end up tossing them over the walls.

Hell, the game forces you to make decisions about what knights and armors to use ALL THE TIME, what is so wrong with making you make the decision on what to keep? Games force you to make decisions all the time.

TL : DR version... use them, fuse them, or junk them. Its the way the game is made.

Very we'll put.
At one point, I had 4000+ armors...So do you know what I did?...I got rid of my armorsmiths for more training fields. I still fought the EBs and when my armors finally dropped, (after months) I crafted again.
Limited armor slots are part of the game, something else to have a strategy for...that's how it is.

[Fossil]

Like you said earlier Raid changed the game when it comes to this. Before I would keep my strongest of each element type/combo. Now it is about having 3 deep in every combo if possible. 180 armor slots seems like a lot, until you start leveling your epics and realize you need 500 armors to max it, but you have to stay under 180 if you want to craft. I get the fact they want you to choose, A.) Craft or B.) Hoard armor. But it creates a gap between a desirable solution. I say 250 armor slots would be ideal, you'd still have to strategize, but the majority of the games players now are vets who need the extra space.

and Rook - My inventory is full of valuable armor, not cheap useless stuff. So when my closet gets full of really nice things, I'll ask for a bigger closet, not sell them off :D

I'm glad someone gets it....

[busteroaf]

I'm glad someone gets it....

Fossil, you probably want the ability to use 20 friends daily now too right? Or want the EB armors to craft in 2 hours instead of 3 days... It is just one of many built in strategically placed blocks so you can't do EVERYTHING you want in this game. You have to decide. But instead, you just decide to ask for more space.

Some people see it your way, others see it and accept it, knowing you can't always get what you want. Shame on us for not trying though, right?

Tranquilo wey, tranquilo!

[Fossil]

Fossil, you probably want the ability to use 20 friends daily now too right? Or want the EB armors to craft in 2 hours instead of 3 days... It is just one of many built in strategically placed blocks so you can't do EVERYTHING you want in this game. You have to decide. But instead, you just decide to ask for more space.

Some people see it your way, others see it and accept it, knowing you can't always get what you want. Shame on us for not trying though, right?

Tranquilo wey, tranquilo!

I don't care one way or the other about the issues you present, but if they would help novice players enjoy the game more and boost activity I would support it. It certainly beats sitting around feeling disenfranchised.

[JohnnyBoy69]

i would smelt all 1* armors. bronze silver and gold. but not the 2*. i'd use them to enhance any legendaries if you haven't already cleared enough space... but that's just me :p

[roookey1]

Exactly my point, JohnnyBoy, but there are patronizing smart*sses (whom I've read even sugarcoating bugs in this forum) now telling us we should just enjoy this being part of the game - simply get rid of your fusion armor or melt your legendaries to create more space! :D

What they ignore is the fact that if there is a longer time when you don't get legendaries or especially epics (unless you buy them), valuable 2-stars, 3-stars and fusion boosts (remember these are rare rewards for advanced achievements in the game) may accumulate to the point when you can not even craft armor anymore without basically being forced to melt or 'fuse away' those valuable armors. And this is very, very annoying and frustrating. Now with the increased material we get from heroic mode, we would need more slots to be able to craft and THEN use the fusion fodder we saved (often over a long time until we get something nice).

[Marco_]

What they ignore is the fact that if there is a longer time when you don't get legendaries or especially epics (unless you buy them), valuable 2-stars, 3-stars and fusion boosts (remember these are rare rewards for advanced achievements in the game) may accumulate to the point when you can not even craft armor anymore without basically being forced to melt or 'fuse away' those valuable armors. And this is very, very annoying and frustrating. Now with the increased material we get from heroic mode, we would need more slots to be able to craft and THEN use the fusion fodder we saved (often over a long time until we get something nice).
To max an epic you need just over 50 matching fusion boosts. If we assume someone who absolutely has to insta-max his/her epics and ignore monos, that's 25 fusion boosts per element or 125 total. Wearable armors caps at at most 30, so 170 - 125 - 30 = at least 15 slots left for other stuff. If a person doesn't mind taking a few days to max a new epic they get, they could fill in any holes there might be in the fusion boost collection with 2/3/4-star fodder and farm some more from other sources in the days after getting the epic to max it.

In essence any game is mostly a set of hurdles to overcome/get around.
Platform games have "not being able to fly" as a major one, RPGs and games like this have not being insta-max level, inventory restrictions etc.

[busteroaf]

To max an epic you need just over 50 matching fusion boosts. If we assume someone who absolutely has to insta-max his/her epics and ignore monos, that's 25 fusion boosts per element or 125 total. Wearable armors caps at at most 30, so 170 - 125 - 30 = at least 15 slots left for other stuff. If a person doesn't mind taking a few days to max a new epic they get, they could fill in any holes there might be in the fusion boost collection with 2/3/4-star fodder and farm some more from other sources in the days after getting the epic to max it.

In essence any game is mostly a set of hurdles to overcome/get around.
Platform games have "not being able to fly" as a major one, RPGs and games like this have not being insta-max level, inventory restrictions etc.

High five Marco, high five!

And also, people act as though fusion boosts and armors to level with are hard to come by, if they were to magically one day, empty their inventories. I played for about 3 days, did maybe 5 or 6 or so raid bosses solo, played in arena maybe 10 times, and found the EB a few times. Granted, I can't level a new epic with just that, but please, stuff to level with is NOT hard to get, by any stretch. It just takes a little more gold. And if you've saved all this gold by not ever leveling stuff, boom. You've got enough gold. Oh wait... you donated it all? You spent it on ... WE NEED MORE GOLD! STOP PUTTING LIMITS ON HOW MUCH GOLD WE CAN EARN GREE! You *$%@#$%'s, GREE!

You guys act like it actually takes work to get FBAs and such. The game GIVES them away at every turn. The hardest part of the game is getting to the top and staying there. And doing it with as minimal real $ investment as possible.

[Marco_]

I haven''t been very active lately, missed a lot of gold collects, missed a few blitzes and on my main account I now have
59 mil gold, 24 spirit boosts, 21 air boosts, 26 fire boosts, 23 earth boosts, 13 water boosts, 509 fusion stones and a whole bunch of fodder armors I can apply without caring one bit about gold efficiency.
Plus 4 smiths to make my armors go up in level and gold and fusion stones go down a bit from fusing commons if I feel in a tryhard mood. ;)
If not, then I just make sure I make a few EB/EB+ armors whenever I'm below the 170 cap, so when I let armors slack to 400 or something like that, I have something useful to dump them on. (usually use up all uncommon, 1*, 2* in such a leveling binge and 3*s/4*s usually get mass fused at the same time.)

[Adisty]

I now only spend free gems on chests, so this may not be of any use, but here is what I do:

Keep 3 of adjacent dual-element armors (air/water, air/earth, earth/spirit, spirit/fire, fire/water), keep any strong epics regardless of element (I have an Aquatic Battlegear+, which is water/earth, and some mono element epics). I fuse legendaries I don't use for chance at specific element epics, keep fusion boost armors until I get a new epic to use them on, and if I don't have room to craft new armors, before smelting came along, I would pick a legendary or ultra rare to dump armors onto until I had enough space to start crafting however many I wanted to craft (I have 4 armories). Now I just smelt armors, starting with the lowest rarity, and work my way up until I have space.

With so many super rare armors as rewards from arena/epic boss/raid boss, they are no longer hard to come by, so I don't mind getting rid of them if I have to, in order to get something I want. And now, with the addition of Heroic mode, it has become easier and cheaper to get element specific legendaries for fusing epics.

Epics I have fused: Maelstrom Irons, Sandstorm Platemail, Druidic Platemail, Dragonborn Aegis, Odin's Call, 2 Centurion's Aegis (back to back), 2 Arcane Mantle (bact to back), Arborsteel Vanguard, and Forgestone Aegis