+1 Building upgrade reward for people that actually need it!

[Pissapigov]

It's all very well giving a +1 upgrade award as a temp bonus, but so many newer accounts can't even reach that prize because of low IPH and the bonus lasts for such a short time it's often not even worth unlocking.

All these older accounts are benefiting from being able to upgrade multiple buildings at once, increasing their IPH greatly, while newer accounts are stuck slowly expanding by upgrading one at a time.
This does not contribute to a more even playing field, as the rich get richer and the poor remain poor.

Surely awarding a permanent +1 upgrade bonus to every player who doesn't have one would only make the game better by increasing player IPH and therefore improving raiding..

[Comrade John]

why not just make a building that takes 4x as long as usual to upgrade to level 10, and when you do you get permanent +1 building upgrade? this would turn off higher income players as they would waste the time to bring 4 buildings to level 10, while new income people can getba great boost?

[HenryVIII]

Why not just have everyone earn the same IPH regardless of how much time/money they put into the game. Guess if you are going socialist, why not go all out!??!!

[robmurphy]

Why does Modern War need to be an even playing field? What other game in the world does. People who choose to use gold get stronger. Those that choose not to, don't.

Note the important word 'choose'.

If you want to grow bigger and stronger, use gold. That's the game.

[GI Janers]

I thought opening 3 boxes got you a key that contributed to temp +1 building upgrade.....I have 2 keys from leveling up the Volcano,i received (I thought) my third key by opening enigma boxes...quickly went to upgrade my 2nd building of choice only to realize that isn't the case......what are the keys you receive for opening boxes good for?

[Pissapigov]

why not just make a building that takes 4x as long as usual to upgrade to level 10, and when you do you get permanent +1 building upgrade? this would turn off higher income players as they would waste the time to bring 4 buildings to level 10, while new income people can getba great boost?

I like that idea!


Why does Modern War need to be an even playing field? What other game in the world does. People who choose to use gold get stronger. Those that choose not to, don't.

Note the important word 'choose'.

If you want to grow bigger and stronger, use gold. That's the game.

I did not say every aspect of the game should be an even playing field but it improves the game for everyone if more players have decent IPH (by being able to do more upgrades at once). And gold is not an easy way to get high IPH even if you invest in unlocking the right prizes, if and when they are available.

[levelhead]

Everyone would love a +1 building boost. Would make life a lot easier on upgrading. If you think gree are going to make this easy to get then think again. If and when the next permanent one does come around make sure you have plenty of gold stored. Or your bank balance high as from the last few times they was hard to get.
I know this has been mentioned before in a previous thread. Maybe gree might have a heart and give out a permanent +1 building boost as it is appreciation month. Lol

[robmurphy]

I did not say every aspect of the game should be an even playing field but it improves the game for everyone if more players have decent IPH (by being able to do more upgrades at once). And gold is not an easy way to get high IPH even if you invest in unlocking the right prizes, if and when they are available.

Sorry I don't agree.

My IPH is high. It's high because I can raid everyone in the game and can therefore raid billions every day if I choose to. Those billions allow me to buy and fully upgrade my LE's and all other cash buildings.

I can raid everyone in the game because I spend gold which had given me very high stats.

Gold also allows me to currently upgrade 5 buildings at once. Thus increasing my IPH further and faster.

EVERYTHING in Modern War is about gold. EVERYTHING.

That's why I get frustrated with people complaining on this forum that things should be equal, or those of us who spend gold shouldn't.

Nonsense.

Gree is a commercial entity. It exists solely to make a profit. If you want to get all the 'goodies' in their game, you will pay for it.

EVERYTHING is about gold.

I hate the socialist (dare I say communist) tint to so many of these posts. NOTHING in life is equal. Should we all get paid the same wages if we all put the same effort in. NO, of course not.

Should those with more skill, more drive and perhaps more luck have more than the rest. HELL YES......

If you want the goods, pay.

[Dave Gould]

I'm a very long standing player and I reckon even a temp building updgrade is a good deal

[Cuombajj]

Poor dude: "Hey BMW why you give your cars to the rich people? They don't need them, they already have 5 of them, give it to the poor people instead"

BMW: "We give them to the ones who pay for them. If you want one, go buy one. Don't have the money? Drive your Fiesta".

[I Will Merc You]

Sorry I don't agree.

My IPH is high. It's high because I can raid everyone in the game and can therefore raid billions every day if I choose to. Those billions allow me to buy and fully upgrade my LE's and all other cash buildings.

I can raid everyone in the game because I spend gold which had given me very high stats.

Gold also allows me to currently upgrade 5 buildings at once. Thus increasing my IPH further and faster.

EVERYTHING in Modern War is about gold. EVERYTHING.

That's why I get frustrated with people complaining on this forum that things should be equal, or those of us who spend gold shouldn't.

Nonsense.

Gree is a commercial entity. It exists solely to make a profit. If you want to get all the 'goodies' in their game, you will pay for it.

EVERYTHING is about gold.

I hate the socialist (dare I say communist) tint to so many of these posts. NOTHING in life is equal. Should we all get paid the same wages if we all put the same effort in. NO, of course not.

Should those with more skill, more drive and perhaps more luck have more than the rest. HELL YES......

If you want the goods, pay.

Much respect, well written.

[Comrade John]

didn't realize how serious business this 'game' was before i started reading these forums. no wonder why gree's 'player appreciation month' is rather lackluster. it's not even 'payer appreciation month'.

why not simply sell the ability to upgrade more than one building at a time? not everyone has been playing for years, and some would like that bonus.

[bergmystr]

I'm a very long standing player and I reckon even a temp building updgrade is a good deal

I've been at this for 2 years now, and even a temp +1 upgrade boost is very helpful at this point (even if it is only for a couple days).

Last cycle I was able to upgrade 6 building in the time that I had the +1. I only would have been able to get 2 had the boost not been there. If this temp boost is a regular, or even a semi regular thing I don't see it as a bad idea. It helps people out who either missed opportunities to get a permanent +1, or new accounts who have yet to see it.

[robmurphy]

didn't realize how serious business this 'game' was before i started reading these forums. no wonder why gree's 'player appreciation month' is rather lackluster. it's not even 'payer appreciation month'.

why not simply sell the ability to upgrade more than one building at a time? not everyone has been playing for years, and some would like that bonus.

Comrade John

I happen to be a very appreciative player. If there is an event I want to play/complete, I do it. If there is an event I do not want to play/complete, I don't do it. As a consumer, that's all I want.

I think in a roundabout way you've summed up the problem with so many of the contributors to these boards.

If I want to 'go large' on my Big Mac meal, I 'go large'. If I don't want to 'go large', I just purchase the regular meal.

As Cuombajj satirically demonstrates above, If I want to buy a BMW, I'll buy a BMW (and BMW will be happy to sell it to me), if not, I'll stick with my Fiesta. But it's crazy to give people BMWs if they can only afford Fiestas because it's 'fair'.

Fair isn't a reality.

I do not believe Gree has either;

1. Put a gun to any players head and made them buy/spend gold
2. Refused to let any player buy/spend gold

Free Market Economy baby.........

I for one totally respect Gree (no, I don't work for them.........they don't pay enough.........)

As for your suggestion, I agree, I think it would be very sensible for Bonus Units to be purchased. I do however think there should be a very large gold premium placed on them. Would you use a full vault of gold to get a +1 Building Upgrade unit?

[Hobbs]

As a longer established player I can upgrade 6 buildings with the temp +1,I played for around 2 years before the ability to upgrade another building became availible,however I do agree that the game has changed recently and there is more emphasis on IPH and newer accounts may find it hard to improve this with just one building upgrade.
It doesn't need to cost all that much though,the last Full WD Event offered +1 upgrade for top25 rank and I believe this cycle is the same.
Not sure what WD is required for top25 but I'd say less then 100k for some if not all of those teams,if your a newer player and probably lower level and active this should not cost too much to achieve,I would suggest getting yourself onto one of these teams as a way to get that upgrade and some nice units too.
I do think its a very useful bonus for the newer accounts to Aim For.

[robmurphy]

Not sure what WD is required for top25 but I'd say less then 100k for some if not all of those teams,if your a newer player and probably lower level and active this should not cost too much to achieve,I would suggest getting yourself onto one of these teams as a way to get that upgrade and some nice units too.

You're absolutely correct Hobbs. Top 25 WD give the +1 Building Upgrade. Last WD, the 25th placed faction scored 7.6M WD points. So, all things being equal, if you can score 127,000WD (and your 59 chums do the same), you'll get the unit (plus other funky stuff)

Rob

[GI Janers]

As a longer established player I can upgrade 6 buildings with the temp +1,I played for around 2 years before the ability to upgrade another building became availible,however I do agree that the game has changed recently and there is more emphasis on IPH and newer accounts may find it hard to improve this with just one building upgrade.
It doesn't need to cost all that much though,the last Full WD Event offered +1 upgrade for top25 rank and I believe this cycle is the same.
Not sure what WD is required for top25 but I'd say less then 100k for some if not all of those teams,if your a newer player and probably lower level and active this should not cost too much to achieve,I would suggest getting yourself onto one of these teams as a way to get that upgrade and some nice units too.
I do think its a very useful bonus for the newer accounts to Aim For.

im a Hobbs....whats your general location?

[Hobbs]

Located in th UK,GI

[Huj]

lol the people who talk about getting into a top 25 faction for newer players like its no biggy are all idiots.

How the *** do you think these people are gone have the ability to join these factions? Do you think anyone who has stats in the Billions does not already have a +1?

So unless you guys are in a top 25 faction and are inviting people to join to get the +1 from WD you should stop talking out of your ***

[Arc9761]

lol the people who talk about getting into a top 25 faction for newer players like its no biggy are all idiots.

How the *** do you think these people are gone have the ability to join these factions? Do you think anyone who has stats in the Billions does not already have a +1?

So unless you guys are in a top 25 faction and are inviting people to join to get the +1 from WD you should stop talking out of your ***

Very short sighted. The top 25 teams have farm teams and 'sub'-factions.
You get in on those, prove your worth, and get promoted....might take a while, but you'll get up there.

Or, like stated above, grab 59 of your friends, and score 130k WD points each.

[Huj]

Very short sighted. The top 25 teams have farm teams and 'sub'-factions.
You get in on those, prove your worth, and get promoted....might take a while, but you'll get up there.

Or, like stated above, grab 59 of your friends, and score 130k WD points each.

No S***. I'm referring to the post above who are telling the other people to stop crying and join a top 25 team and boom you get +1 building no biggy.

Its not rocket science that if you spend 1-2 vaults+ per WD you will eventually get into a top 25 faction but that is not what this thread is about dummy

[Night & Day]

Nope it's not. This thread is apparently about people wanting for free what others have paid for.

I do understand your point of view but if you want that +1 upgrade pay for it like others had to.

[Prettypupp]

So the new players think that they should be able to get a +1 building upgrade for pretty much nothing even though players like my self have had to put up real money to get the +1 upgrade. I understand that it sucks to only be able to upgrade 1 building at a time, but myself and many other here had to do it for a long time. Free players should not have the same bonuses as gold players do. And if you are a new player and you are spending gold then my advise to you is get your stats up fast. Look in the forums for factions wanting help to finish masters in the energy events, help them out and build up your contacts and you will be in a top 25-50 faction pretty quick. There are alot of good factions that will take a low Stat account if they know that they are putting up the cash to build there account quickly. For all of you players that don't use gold. Use some common sense because there is no way you should get the same bonuses that the people that spend real money on this game.

[Huj]

Nope it's not. This thread is apparently about people wanting for free what others have paid for.

I do understand your point of view but if you want that +1 upgrade pay for it like others had to.

Not true I have a +1 and I did not pay for it ;)

[Prettypupp]

Not true I have a +1 and I did not pay for it ;)


You might not have had to put up money for it but either people in your faction put up money to get it or you already had your iph high enough to finish the building ltq a few months ago to get the +1 building upgrade. If you got it in the fltq that had the building upgrade then your faction put up money to finish it and you should feel lucky that you have a great group of people willing to put up the cash so everyone in your faction can become stronger.

[Night & Day]

Then I congratulate you but the fact still remains that some players want the boosts and upgrades for virtually nothing. Basically they should stop whining and do something to get them if they want them that badly. Not just feel entitled to have them.

[Huj]

You might not have had to put up money for it but either people in your faction put up money to get it or you already had your iph high enough to finish the building ltq a few months ago to get the +1 building upgrade. If you got it in the fltq that had the building upgrade then your faction put up money to finish it and you should feel lucky that you have a great group of people willing to put up the cash so everyone in your faction can become stronger.

Nop and Nop

I had to earn 23 BILLION in 17 days starting with a 16mil IPH. Lots of blood was spilled for the cause!

[HypeTonic]

Exactly, why must the top people be able to upgrade 7-10 buildings at once, im in a top 150 faction have always been on +1 building upgrade and 3/min energy regen.
It is hard for me to raise my iph when I am trying to finish ltb. When I do finish it I have only a few days to upgrade boost/money buildings. It is quite sad and annoying.

[Pidgeot]

You all have to remember this is A GAME. A ****ing game. It does not NEED to always make money. Most hardcore players should have 1+ building upgrades and energy regen boost. Most of us dont own these things. We are so busy upgrading bad LTEs that we dont get the chance to play the game. +1 or 2 building upgrades should be standard in the games code.

[Night & Day]

The basic argument in this thread is flawed. It's all about about getting for free what others had to work for. Why should a top 150 faction gets the same rewards as a top 50 ? They shouldn't.

As for starting with +2 upgrade, i didn't why should you ?

You want the upgrade but are not prepared to work to get it. So just stop whining and accept that the top factions / players pay to get the boosts that you so covet.

[Pidgeot]

The basic argument in this thread is flawed. It's all about about getting for free what others had to work for. Why should a top 150 faction gets the same rewards as a top 50 ? They shouldn't.

As for starting with +2 upgrade, i didn't why should you ?

You want the upgrade but are not prepared to work to get it. So just stop whining and accept that the top factions / players pay to get the boosts that you so covet.

Dont confuse "spending money" as "working hard". All top 25 means is "I spent more money than the other places". TL;DR Spending money doesn't equal hard work

Also, the game is not the same it was 2 years ago. +1 or 2 building upgrade should be basic in the games code.

[Night & Day]

Not everyone in top 25-50 spends the type of money that you are alluding to. If the game has changed and evolved over time why haven't you ? It stands to reason that if you say that the game has evolved then so should the player. Obviously you haven't and just like whining.

Did I have the +1 upgrade to start with ? No I didnt. Did I whine and ***** ? No I didnt.
The rewards are earnt not just handed out.

If a player decides to be in a faction outside of the top 25-50 that doesn't get that reward that's their choice, don't deride the ones that do decide to go for top 25-50.

So once again the argument is still flawed.

[Pidgeot]

If you are in a top 25 faction and not spending money, then you are leeching. Also, players cant evolve because the game does not allow them to do so. The meta moved on but the game is still on the same engine it was when it came out 2 years ago. The +3 energy a minute is debatable but building upgrade should be at least +2. Hell, run a month long even when you can upgrade 3 buildings at once. Something to help the players out.

[Night & Day]

I never said that I didn't spend on MW so don't accuse me of being a leech. I just stated that players in top 50 factions don't spend as much as you think. The top 10 definitely do though.

That lack of knowledge means that you don't really know how the game works you just like to moan that you don't have rewards handed to you. Which makes your opinion worthless really.

To be honest your the leech wanting everything just handed to you.

As your opinion on things you know nothing about is worthless and irrelevant I shall bid you farewell so that you can whine and feel sorry for yourself in peace.

[Pidgeot]

I never said that I didn't spend on MW so don't accuse me of being a leech. I just stated that players in top 50 factions don't spend as much as you think. The top 10 definitely do though.

That lack of knowledge means that you don't really know how the game works you just like to moan that you don't have rewards handed to you. Which makes your opinion worthless really.
You
To be honest your the leech wanting everything just handed to you.

As your opinion on things you know nothing about is worthless and irrelevant I shall bid you farewell so that you can whine and feel sorry for yourself in peace.

I'm trying to make the game better for everyone. I never asked for things to be handed out. This games balance it out of whack and the fact that you dont see that mean you dont how how this game works.

So you can continue to leech of the top player and pretend thats "working hard"

[Pissapigov]

"I spent money on this game to get the prizes, free players will never get them for free."

So you've forgotten the time that they released all the new cash and valour units, inflating unit stats a ridiculous amount and enabling FREE players with decent IPH to quadruple their stats over night and greatly reducing the worth of the previous 2 years of gold spending?

Or the time a few weeks ago when suddenly the units for LTQ and raid bosses had 6m+ stats, rendering the last few cycles total unit strength pretty much worthless also?

Or yesterday when players were getting one of the high end units for free just by joining certain factions?

Edit: And another one i just remembered, how attack and defence stats barely mean anything in the game any more because the mechanics are broken. Further voiding the time and money you have put in to unlocking those rewards to get "stronger".


You're living in a dream world if you think this game is a positive investment that won't devaluate what you have spent in a few months time. The whole game must keep inflating in order to keep people interested, until the point where it simply can't inflate any more and burns out. The unit you spent a vault or more on unlocking a few months ago is now the prize for a top 250 placement in WD..

I'll just let that sink in..




P.S My original post was actually suggesting that a +1 upgrade bonus for all players would IMPROVE the gameplay for everyone, it was not simply requesting something for free just because I don't want to pay for it.. Nobody seems to have responded to that suggesting, and everyone has chosen to bicker instead..

[Silent Killers Clan]

This game is reliant on the people who do spend money on gold to get these rewards. If everyone could get them then no one would spend money to get them obviously. The point is that it is a rare reward and it goes to the players who contribute the most. If you want a free +1 upgrade bonus, why not just suggest that they boost all of your buildings to level 10 instantly? In fact, why not just give away vaults at WD for free to the players who don't spend money? At what point does it stop?

Pissapigov, I don't agree that it will improve gameplay to give everyone a +1 upgrade bonus. Sure, it would speed up the game for you and boost your income faster, but then why even have an upgrade limit? It's a game and just like any game it has rules which balance it out. Now obviously I would want it just like you, but that would devalue what others have paid for. That's not fair to the people who support the game. Also, just because it would be nice to do another upgrade that doesn't mean it's improved gameplay. It's like arguing that cheats improve gameplay. As far as this game being "...a positive investment that won't devaluate what you have spent in a few months time." - this is a game, not an investment. Stats will inflate as they have already, but people know that, especially at this point. Does that mean that people who still decide to support the game financially shouldn't be rewarded?

[robmurphy]

"You're living in a dream world if you think this game is a positive investment that won't devaluate what you have spent in a few months time. The whole game must keep inflating in order to keep people interested, until the point where it simply can't inflate any more and burns out. The unit you spent a vault or more on unlocking a few months ago is now the prize for a top 250 placement in WD..

I'll just let that sink in..

P.S My original post was actually suggesting that a +1 upgrade bonus for all players would IMPROVE the gameplay for everyone, it was not simply requesting something for free just because I don't want to pay for it.. Nobody seems to have responded to that suggesting, and everyone has chosen to bicker instead..

At some point I'll stop replying to these posts through pure apathy, but for now I'll persevere

Pissapigov, you're a world away from seeing what Modern War is. It is 100% a voluntary hobby which every player has the right to invest in or not to invest in.

Who are you to pontificate that we're "living in a dream world if you think this game is a positive investment that won't devaluate what you have spent in a few months time"? Of course it will devalue, we're not investing in fine wines, it's a 'game' with no tactile output.

But it's my money and I'll spend as little or as much as I want. But I'll be damned if I'm playing a game where people who put less cash and effort in (yes, effort.....playing longer hours that 'normal' gamers is effort) than me get the rewards I've paid for.

Selfish? Damned right. But that's my prerogative as it's my money and my time. Giving the +1 upgrade boost to everyone is a ridiculous idea that cannot be justified. How on earth would it improve gameplay for everyone. It certainly won't improve gameplay for me.

Most of the posts here are fairly sensible, we're not bickering, we're simply stating fact. You get sod all in this game without spending gold. So spend gold and get the stuff, or don't and don't.

I'll just let that sink in.....but it probably won't

[kguittar]

At some point I'll stop replying to these posts through pure apathy, but for now I'll persevere

Pissapigov, you're a world away from seeing what Modern War is. It is 100% a voluntary hobby which every player has the right to invest in or not to invest in.

Who are you to pontificate that we're "living in a dream world if you think this game is a positive investment that won't devaluate what you have spent in a few months time"? Of course it will devalue, we're not investing in fine wines, it's a 'game' with no tactile output.

But it's my money and I'll spend as little or as much as I want. But I'll be damned if I'm playing a game where people who put less cash and effort in (yes, effort.....playing longer hours that 'normal' gamers is effort) than me get the rewards I've paid for.

Selfish? Damned right. But that's my prerogative as it's my money and my time. Giving the +1 upgrade boost to everyone is a ridiculous idea that cannot be justified. How on earth would it improve gameplay for everyone. It certainly won't improve gameplay for me.

Most of the posts here are fairly sensible, we're not bickering, we're simply stating fact. You get sod all in this game without spending gold. So spend gold and get the stuff, or don't and don't.

I'll just let that sink in.....but it probably won't

after 3 pages of this bickering, everything this guy has said, I agree with. it's plain and simple.

It might help if you use this simple formula: Time=money (the more time you put in the more money you save)

I'm in a top 25 team and only use free gold ALOT OF IT. i'm on tapjoy every day downloading apps for gold. I can upgrade 4 buildings at a time, I have 185m iph, 6.5b attack and score 100k in war. All of this for "free" because I have spent 3 years on this hobby and worked my ass off and play smart enough to get there.

[Hobbs]

I was trying to offer a solution to the +1 building upgrade by stating you could join a Top25 faction,please don't mistake that as a wise crack.
I'd say from my experience there would be plenty of takers in top25 teams if you could put up 100k+ WD,and with Attack-defence differences there should be plenty of decent targets to get those points.
Also lower level will yield a better WD return,so it need not be too expensive.

[robmurphy]

after 3 pages of this bickering, everything this guy has said, I agree with. it's plain and simple.

It might help if you use this simple formula: Time=money (the more time you put in the more money you save)

I'm in a top 25 team and only use free gold ALOT OF IT. i'm on tapjoy every day downloading apps for gold. I can upgrade 4 buildings at a time, I have 185m iph, 6.5b attack and score 100k in war. All of this for "free" because I have spent 3 years on this hobby and worked my ass off and play smart enough to get there.

Much respect kguittar, that's great going on free gold and you should be congratulated on the effort you put in.

[Asto]

I'm sorry to say but if you're iph is that low then having the +1 upgrade is totally pointless anyway. I'd say to make full use of the extra building upgrade you ideally need an iph of over 10/15 mil. I have +2 upgrade and 35 mil iph and I still only ever upgrade one "big building". Everything else has barely any effect on iph so it's utterly pointless having an extra building upgrade unless you have a good enough iph in which case I now find receiving these bonuses pointless.

On a personal level I only found the extra upgrade helpful when I was upgrading my unit buildings and boost buildings and upgrading an LTB or another money building. I may have only fully used the bonus for about 2 cycles and now I think it's needless. There are a lot of better bonuses out there to be had that will be of use forever

[Pissapigov]

But it's my money and I'll spend as little or as much as I want. But I'll be damned if I'm playing a game where people who put less cash and effort in (yes, effort.....playing longer hours that 'normal' gamers is effort) than me get the rewards I've paid for.



But you ARE playing a game where people who put less cash and effort in get the rewards you've payed for.. That is what i've just tried to explain to you



Selfish?


I don't think it's selfish at all, it's perfectly fair. But you're still wrong, players are getting for free, units and bonuses that you've payed for. Therefore your argument is invalid, because we can fully expect to get another +1 building upgrade to come up as an easily reachable (meaning more or less free) goal, in the next few months..





I was trying to offer a solution to the +1 building upgrade by stating you could join a Top25 faction,please don't mistake that as a wise crack.


I didn't Hobbs, I appreciate your comment. Thanks for offering some constructive advice rather than just throwing a tantrum!


I'm sorry to say but if you're iph is that low then having the +1 upgrade is totally pointless anyway. I'd say to make full use of the extra building upgrade you ideally need an iph of over 10/15 mil. I have +2 upgrade and 35 mil iph and I still only ever upgrade one "big building". Everything else has barely any effect on iph so it's utterly pointless having an extra building upgrade unless you have a good enough iph in which case I now find receiving these bonuses pointless.

On a personal level I only found the extra upgrade helpful when I was upgrading my unit buildings and boost buildings and upgrading an LTB or another money building. I may have only fully used the bonus for about 2 cycles and now I think it's needless. There are a lot of better bonuses out there to be had that will be of use forever

That's fair enough Asto, but it brings me back to my original point that people who do not need the boost are able to get it, when the newer players who are eager to expand are still stuck on 1 upgrade at once.
This also strengthens my point that if more lower level, lower IPH players had the bonus, everyone would benefit as there would be more money to raid, and therefore pvp would become more popular and competitive.



As it stands, I have 4 people on my rivals list with IPH over 20m(approx. level 88 - 100) and everyone else's IPH is useless. These four people have obviously played longer, but also spent more real money on the game in order to get high stats. Regardless of how much they have spent, they are still constantly raided by free players with lower stats because the game is broken, and they have nobody else to raid to make up for this loss of income because all these free players have rubbish IPH themselves.
Everyone around my level with reasonable stats is focussing their raiding on these four players, because they are the only ones worth raiding. Are you seriously telling me that you don't think it would be an improvement if there were more than 4 people worth raiding?

[robmurphy]

I don't think it's selfish at all, it's perfectly fair. But you're still wrong, players are getting for free, units and bonuses that you've payed for.


Please explain, name the units and/or bonuses

[I Will Merc You]

Touching on the BMW/Fiesta narrative..

...society says that we are all either driving 7-series BMWs, or, Fiestas. There is no room in society for Hyundai Sonatas.

There is nothing wrong with running in the middle of the pack. As has been accurately described above, this is simply a hobby. The players speeding away in the BMW, no matter how 'fast' and 'shiny', can not outrun the game. They will all continue battling the same battles that we all battle daily..to gold, not to gold, or 'how much can I gold and still pay the house note'.

This forum is great for voices to be heard. Personally, I am not offended by requests to aid the 'newbies'. We were all new at one point in time. With that said, newbies, if you want the BMW....pay for it. There is no other way to get it. Just remember, if the BMW is what you want, the maintenance accompanied by your high rate of speed in which you drive, will always require more gold to maintain.

....I will continue traveling this hobby in this 2008 Chevy Impala. Whether I'm at the front of the pack, or the middle, or the back.....we are all traveling the same road, and this road leads to nowhere.

[I Will Merc You]

Please explain, name the units and/or bonuses

Grim Aries
952,029 Attack
634,686 Defense

-5% Health Regen Time

[Pissapigov]

What he said ^^^ :)

[robmurphy]

Touching on the BMW/Fiesta narrative..

...society says that we are all either driving 7-series BMWs, or, Fiestas. There is no room in society for Hyundai Sonatas.

There is nothing wrong with running in the middle of the pack. As has been accurately described above, this is simply a hobby. The players speeding away in the BMW, no matter how 'fast' and 'shiny', can not outrun the game. They will all continue battling the same battles that we all battle daily..to gold, not to gold, or 'how much can I gold and still pay the house note'.

This forum is great for voices to be heard. Personally, I am not offended by requests to aid the 'newbies'. We were all new at one point in time. With that said, newbies, if you want the BMW....pay for it. There is no other way to get it. Just remember, if the BMW is what you want, the maintenance accompanied by your high rate of speed in which you drive, will always require more gold to maintain.

....I will continue traveling this hobby in this 2008 Chevy Impala. Whether I'm at the front of the pack, or the middle, or the back.....we are all traveling the same road, and this road leads to nowhere.

Love it Merc.......

[robmurphy]

Grim Aries
952,029 Attack
634,686 Defense

-5% Health Regen Time

Dear Lord.....

This is not a 'free' unit.

Gree cocked up on the Speed wrapper so gave everyone who completed individual Master and who's faction completed Master (although a lot are still waiting for it)

There is the 'cheat' that many are taking advantage of where if you join certain factions, you are awarded the unit. That's a glitch/cheat - it's not a free unit.

Gree know about it and they either will or won't fix it.

NO ONE gets free bonus units as part of the game mechanic. For Christ's sake, let's not get into glitches.....with all the low flying aircraft finally grounded, we could revisit the Deadly Bridge Jumpers or the players with dozens of the Dragon Commander Rank aircraft who aren't Dragon Commanders.

Your arguments are unfocussed.

No one is getting free units that I have had to pay for through the game mechanic.

Cheats and glitches are legion in this game, you either use them or you don't. But that's another thread.

Gree will not be giving anyone 'free' +1 upgrade units or anything else as there is no benefit to Gree.....quite the contrary, it will p*ss off their most lucrative players.......and they won't do that.

I'm going to carry on driving my BMW at full speed until I crash into a wall and explode...............

[Huj]

Hello is MW aka a gree operated game. Hence working with glitches goes hand in hand with playing the actual game ;)

[Asto]

That's fair enough Asto, but it brings me back to my original point that people who do not need the boost are able to get it, when the newer players who are eager to expand are still stuck on 1 upgrade at once.
This also strengthens my point that if more lower level, lower IPH players had the bonus, everyone would benefit as there would be more money to raid, and therefore pvp would become more popular and competitive.



As it stands, I have 4 people on my rivals list with IPH over 20m(approx. level 88 - 100) and everyone else's IPH is useless. These four people have obviously played longer, but also spent more real money on the game in order to get high stats. Regardless of how much they have spent, they are still constantly raided by free players with lower stats because the game is broken, and they have nobody else to raid to make up for this loss of income because all these free players have rubbish IPH themselves.
Everyone around my level with reasonable stats is focussing their raiding on these four players, because they are the only ones worth raiding. Are you seriously telling me that you don't think it would be an improvement if there were more than 4 people worth raiding?
Of course not, it would be an improvement to see you have more than 4 raidable targets. The point I'm making is that even with the +1 upgrade I found my iph was not affected in any way shape or form, overtime it grows and gradually increases. Unless you have an excellent iph (I'm talking over 60/70 mil) that can generate over 1.5B per day and with the ability to raid over a bil per day then iph will not accelerate quickly whatsoever. I slowly built mine up and inevitably as I started to get more money producing buildings to higher levels I generated more income per day, then that allows you to keep upgrading more to generate more a day etc etc. I managed to get my iph virtually only upgrading one of my big money buildings at a time. I think I only ever had 2 on the go at the same time

[Candyflosser]

Dont confuse "spending money" as "working hard". All top 25 means is "I spent more money than the other places". TL;DR Spending money doesn't equal hard work

Also, the game is not the same it was 2 years ago. +1 or 2 building upgrade should be basic in the games code.

The game is the same, if you go back IPH was important from the beginning then unit stat inflation rendered the cash units totally worthless. It wasn't until March or April of 2014 when GREE refreshed the cash & valor units to be competitive with ILTQ/FLTQ units that players started to feel that cash was important again. Now the latest rounds of unit inflation has started with 200-400K units up to 10M stat units thus far will once again render the cash & valor units worthless until the next refresh of the cash & valor units. But IPH has always been important - there are just lots of short sighted players.

[t12pm]

Same discussion was had in cc a while back before street assault was implemented, the gold players said all the free players were whining and wanted everything free, about same mod as well, only top 2 or 3 syndicates had it. No one else should as we bought it. So a ltq comes up shortly before the first street assault and a + 1 building mod is the prize for beginners part yeah five easy levels to get it, moral is it can be given out all the gold people still have their advantage and now the new people can actually do something worth while. Before you say this comes from a free player I was a heavy gold guy untouchable by 98% of cc until gree made stats mean nothing, and yes all that money that is spent now will be nothing in a few months it will probably not even show as a top unit then

[WBS]

Why not just have everyone earn the same IPH regardless of how much time/money they put into the game. Guess if you are going socialist, why not go all out!??!!

Well said. There is no reason a new player should be able to catch up to a long standing player in just a few months of playing. We were all in that boat at one point.

[t12pm]

Maybe you can explain how a +1 mod would allow us new players to catch up to long time players, that is so stupid it's funny. What's the long time players have + 5 or more there is no way to catch up, we can't even buy FL units or anything no one to raid and no income